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7 hours ago, Mike G said:

Never seen anything like it!

 

 

 

Good thing none of the Faithful watch Fox News.

How do we know they don't?  They tell us, all the time.  All the time.

Of course, the shit they spew is in direct alignment with the FN daily talking points.........

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2 hours ago, Steam Flyer said:

The real problem is that a lot of people... about 40% of USAnians, apparently... are entertained "infromed" by this sort of hateful nonsense

- DSK

FTFY

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1 hour ago, quod umbra said:

Special needs students would go to special needs schools. Advanced learners would go to advance learning institutions. Challenged learners would go to schools that specialize in overcoming such challenges. Average learners would go to schools whose pace is targeted to their absorption of knowledge. 
The way the public schools system works is we teach to something a couple of clicks below the median.....how dumb is that?

Resistance to vouchers  is tantamount to overt racism. It is a white majority telling people of color that they will attend the public school we make available. Parents in minority communities have no choice. Their children are forced to go to public schools for lack of financial abilities of the parent. All your whiteness telling children of color that they must go where white folks tell them they can go and like it. 
Bunch of racist crackers you all are.

Gotcha.  So, parents just hear "Sucks to be you, but your kid can only go to THAT school, not this one.  Even though you want them to go here."  That isn't what you wrote, above - 

On 3/24/2021 at 6:57 PM, quod umbra said:


Better idea is a voucher system where parents can decide where best to send their kids to give them every advantage....rather then destined to fail base on zip code.
Third point, and try and pay attention. In New York State it is twice as expensive for a student to be educated in the public school system than it is to be educated in a private school on average.....

So in New York Public Schools we pay twice as much (when compared to a private education) and get a far inferior education...... and that is what you think is the better way.

 

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9 hours ago, quod umbra said:

Special needs students would go to special needs schools. Advanced learners would go to advance learning institutions. Challenged learners would go to schools that specialize in overcoming such challenges. Average learners would go to schools whose pace is targeted to their absorption of knowledge.

Do the words "Separate but equal" mean anything to you?

That post of yours is complete fantasy.

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9 hours ago, quod umbra said:

Special needs students would go to special needs schools. Advanced learners would go to advance learning institutions. Challenged learners would go to schools that specialize in overcoming such challenges. Average learners would go to schools whose pace is targeted to their absorption of knowledge. 
The way the public schools system works is we teach to something a couple of clicks below the median.....how dumb is that?

Resistance to vouchers  is tantamount to overt racism. It is a white majority telling people of color that they will attend the public school we make available. Parents in minority communities have no choice. Their children are forced to go to public schools for lack of financial abilities of the parent. All your whiteness telling children of color that they must go where white folks tell them they can go and like it. 
Bunch of racist crackers you all are.

So, basically you've learned to call people "racist" any time they do something you don't like, such as support their positions with facts and reasoning

... while you yourself assume black people are inferior and play no part in the either the civic process or in running the educational system.

- DSK

 

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1 hour ago, quod umbra said:

...  I am in support of school choice and support those in minority communities who which school choice. Not sure how you take that and come up with me being the racist.

First of all, I'm not agreeing with your assumption that NY public schools are automatically and uniformly inferior. I know a bunch of people who attended this schools system and every single one of them seems pretty smart by my standards (ie observing the actual real world and being conversant with a range of facts)

Your assumption of vouchers or "school choice" being good for black people is based on the assumption that black people are not exercising choices now; and not involved in both the civic process and in their local education system. You're being both paternalistic and assuming an inferior role for them, now and also in your proposed scheme

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2 hours ago, quod umbra said:

Are you so incapable of seeing what is plainly before your eyes??
Do you not understand that children in low income districts have vastly inferior schooling>
Does in not resonate with you that less than 40% of children in inner city high schools graduate?
Beyond belief how many of you support or insist that only government controlled schools be permitted for parents who cannot afford giving their children a better chance of success.
And you think I am the problem? geezus you are fuk'd in the head.

Curious that we manage an 86% graduation rate - without your fantasy system of vouchers.

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4 hours ago, quod umbra said:

Mr. Flyer,

Bit of tongue in cheek..... just a bit. And no, people who favor school choice in NYC go unheard even though they are trying to have a say in how their kids are educated. Not sure where you "sub-species" nonsense is coming from. I certainly said, nor implied anything of the sort.
Circling back to NYC public schools and NYS schools in general, my observations on Bedford Hills Vs Bedford Stuy are most valid.
Case in point, The Scarsdale High School has very good rating and reputation....although a bit higher than average suicide rate. Parents in Scarsdale do not NEED to send their kids to private schools.
Just down the road, not 5 miles away, New Rochelle High School is just the opposite. Has a harsh reputation but unless you are making say north of 150k of better, you have little to no shot at sending your kids to private schools.
So demographically, Scarsdale Union Free School District, round numbers is like 99% white. New Rochelle Union Free School District, just a guess, is 25%-30% non-white (maybe a bit higher). So in this case, why would Scarsdale wish school choice when it would mean little in quality of education. New Rochelle it would mean a great deal for parents who want better for their kids.

Still perplexed as to where you get that I see minorities as inferior. Your words not mine. I am in support of school choice and support those in minority communities who which school choice. Not sure how you take that and come up with me being the racist.

OK...This rampant stupidity may be Exhibit 1 in demonstrating why having access to a keyboard should require a license to operate.  (Of course any posting by Mikey being Exhibit 2.)

This is utter bullshit.  "Proof" of a theory by selected anecdote is the failure of all those who chose belief in place of thought. 

 

I grew up and went to public school in Scarsdale.  It was then, and still is, the richest or one of the richest communities in this very rich country.  It was and is a community that had as its primary goal the funding of the very best school system for it's kids.  And it had the concentrated wealth to do it. 

And so they did.  For example, I went to school at a high school with an enrolment of 250 kids.  We had a collegiate campus setting on 90 acres of sports fields, woodlands with a building for each discipline.  Kids from other nearby districts, such as New Rochelle, paid tuition to go there.  Out of 92 kids in my graduating class, 92 went to college.  Great.  That must mean New Rochelle with its lower "achievement" demonstrates ... something. 

*  Maybe that wealth has its privileges? 

*  Maybe that really wealthy people have figured out that high school taxes are still cheaper than paying private tuition? 

*  Maybe that well-educated people in general intuitively understand that an educated population is the single most important thing that a community or nation can provide its citizens?  (And to their own personal wealth.)

*  Maybe that education is the first line of defence against idiocy like Q-anon?

However:  Scarsdale was also racist as all hell.  For example, one of the people who "somehow" was not able to find a home in Scarsdale was Harry Belafonte.  There were many well-known others.  While every deed had (illegal) racial restrictions, it was an open secret that the real estate agents were the real "gatekeepers" of our lily-white community.  (Lily-white but religiously diverse!  You were either an Episcopalian, a Congregationalist or a Reformed Jew.)   (Meanwhile, the maids and service workers were picked up at the station.  Thus, they didn't drag down the tax base or diversify the population.)

Now, sure, you can pluck this "random" example of public education out of your ass, but in doing so, you have demonstrated only your intellectual sloppiness.  

 

By the way, Bedford-Stuyvesant is now a rapidly gentrifying neighborhood. So try another example.  Maybe one from Kansas.  They love not paying taxes there.

And, also by the way, New York City schools offer some of the greatest educational choices available - based on merit not zip code.  E.g. The Bronx High School of Science, The LaGuardia School of Music and Art.  Talented kids from Scarsdale would love to go to either.

 

 

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3 hours ago, quod umbra said:

You think an 86% graduation rate is something to crow about? Seriously?
And, within that statement, what you are really saying is you do not care about less than 40% of inner-city schools getting their charges through  graduation day.
Some might call that racist.

Many people call you a moron.

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On 3/27/2021 at 5:23 AM, quod umbra said:


The way the public schools system works is we teach to something a couple of clicks below the median.....how dumb is that?
 

Is that true Jack? I've got one daughter in advanced calc in grade 12. The other on the same path. Older one will have 3 college level courses under her belt, and she's not the overachiever.  2nd one coming up is testing out higher due to sheer effort. The kid can work.

So - playing to the median?  That's not my experience.

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6 hours ago, quod umbra said:

You start off taking a swipe at me and then go on to prove my point.
Thank you.

As for Bed-Stuy, most people on this board would not do well walking around most of Bed-Stuy and East New York after dark.

And I fully agree with you, you should not be allowed near a keyboard.
So where do you live now.... I live half way between SHS and NRHS..... curious how you avoided any mention of the high quality of NRHS. Twit.

How little you are aware, or how quick you are to judge.

Bed-Stuy was the NY neigborhood of choice when a good friend wanted to spend 2 weeks in New York.  She's a blonde, single, white, 50-ish, $900/hr billing attorney.    She loved it there.  Even walking home from the subway after dark.  

Very glad that NRHS offers high quality education.  Community tax dollars at work. 

 

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1 hour ago, quod umbra said:

Depends on the district, no?
Which is exactly the problem. Some districts in well to do areas have decent schools.
Those in impoverished areas, not so much and no choice for the lower income parents.
That's the whole fukin' point!

Poor old Jack just wants more money for the religious institutions. So they can cherry-pick the easy kids and leave the tough ones for the locales, who now have even less resource than before. Tell ya what Jack. Put a 30% fee on top of each $ paid to private institutions to offset the costs of the public infra and we'll talk.

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6 hours ago, quod umbra said:

Delusional on so many fronts. 

Bed-Stuy is still Bed-Stuy.... a little gentrification along an edge won't solve that.
New Rochelle High School is amazingly poor quality..... but thank goodness the murder rate is on the wane.

SHS is the poster child of why we need school choice.

Quod erat demonstratum.

 

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A lot of the problem is how schools are funded in many states.  i.e local taxes particularly property taxes.  Rich affluent areas tend to have very good schools, but poorer areas lack the same resources.  State government contributions don't make up the difference.

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