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that's awesome, but.. is that rudder deflection just an optical illusion?

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YES, it is an optical illusion regarding the Betts c/f aftermarket rudder in the above photo

FT10M owners went through phony rudder deflection claims by a few California PHRF pickle dish hunters who wanted to use Betts custom designed c/f rudder without rating penalty while refusing to equalize the weight differential by using corrector weights in the transom. Those are the same clowns that killed the FT10M as a one design class by failing to produce any quantitative and qualitative data that supported their phony claims.

It was the sailors that made the difference, not the rudders.

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Are they using shorter stature people to make the boat look bigger?

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1 hour ago, ryley said:

that's awesome, but.. is that rudder deflection just an optical illusion?

i really hope so...

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1 hour ago, glass said:

It was the sailors that made the difference, not the rudders.

as is usually the case. And I have seen Rasper's picture before too and wasn't doubting the strength of the cassette. I just didn't think that the rudder in the picture looked, well, straight. :) It looks about the same angle of deflection, and on about the same point of sail, that my phil's rudder was when it went kersnappy.

I'm glad they're enjoying the boat though. 

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We are just a couple of posts in... and already we have the “rudder” argument and the famous “hanging” picture. Now all we need is “deposit or STFU” and “what’s it rate”. It is amazing, after all of these years, the strong reactions to this boat. 

I owned one for a few years and enjoyed every minute. I have even considered buying one again. In the main SA forum there is a post about the Tiger QMN in Atlanta - we enjoyed sailing against them on Lake Lanier, it was great to have a small one design class for a few years. 

They are nice sailing, well mannered, and beautiful boats. They seem to have held up well and I am sure the new owners will get many years of enjoyment from the design. Thanks Bob! 

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8 hours ago, Bob Perry said:

Hi Bob,

 

We are still having success against the Melges 32's, Farr 30's and custom Hick 30's Dovell etc... everyone loves the boat.

You did a great job - thanks Bruce

 

 

https://www.sail-world.com/photo/309314

FT10m sydney.jpg

 

We are still having success against the Melges 32's, Farr 30's, custom Hick 30's, and many other notable boats.

FIRST IN 12 BOAT SECTION AND EIGHT TO FINISH OVER THE LINE IN 108 BOAT FLEET
Chicago to Waukegan
Date: 06/23/07 StartTime: 08:45:00 Distance: 26.2 nm

Pos Order Sail Boat Skipper PHRF Club Type Finish Elapsed Corrected Score
1 8   Flying Tiger THAT IS ME 48   PHRF2 13:26:41 04:41:41 04:20:43 1
2 6 50136 Salsa Stott,Pete + Sue 27 CYC J/130 13:22:04 04:37:04 04:25:17 2
3 10 52120 Valkyrie Moore,John 48 COL J/120 13:31:47 04:46:47 04:25:49 3
4 11 50791 Sirocco 2 Klairmont,Robert 48 WYC J/120 13:31:52 04:46:52 04:25:54 4
5 18 52039 Jahazi Giampoli,Frank 51 COL J/120 13:39:31 04:54:31 04:32:15 5
6 9 52144 Eagles Wings John J. Gottwald 21 COL Grand Soleil 44R 13:30:10 04:45:10 04:36:00 6
7 22 50306 Elusive Vargish,Thomas 48 COL J/120 13:42:25 04:57:25 04:36:27 7
8 62 10 Troubadour Wilhelm,Lars + Felicia 57 CYC Dehler 39 13:47:31 05:02:31 04:37:38 8
9 14 28380 Spirit Walker McCain,Vern 24 SHYC B & H 41 13:34:27 04:49:27 04:38:58 9
10 60 50134 Sirocco VI Fanizzo,Bill & Viviana 51 CYC Mumm 36 13:47:21 05:02:21 04:40:05 10
11 17 39536 Jason Cohen,Edward 30 BPYC Farr 395 13:38:44 04:53:44 04:40:38 11
12 68 42341 Fitikoko Zienda,John 54 CYC Tripp 38 13:50:33 05:05:33 04:41:58 12

 

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On 3/12/2021 at 10:15 AM, Tarnish said:

We are just a couple of posts in... and already we have the “rudder” argument and the famous “hanging” picture. Now all we need is “deposit or STFU” and “what’s it rate”. It is amazing, after all of these years, the strong reactions to this boat. 

I dunno about them windows!

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So OP says Sydney Harbour.

Results above are from Chicago?

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1 hour ago, Randorm said:

So OP says Sydney Harbour.

Results above are from Chicago?

And? There's no Hicks, Melges or Farrs in the posted results either. Do you not think it might be another happy owner from another port?

You're stupid.

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On 5/10/2021 at 4:53 AM, Jason AUS said:

I dunno about them windows!

Gold right there.  The rudders were shit though.

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On 5/10/2021 at 5:02 AM, 00seven said:

What's your hull number??

he didn't get one because he didn't like the windows. try to keep up ;)

I didn't get one either - but that's cuz I couldn't afford one. and I didn't like the windows. :)

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