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6 minutes ago, Grizz said:

How hard could it be to trim the friggin' jib?

I'm thinking that if they trimmed the sails properly the boat would heel to much causing the grand piano to shift and go out of tune.....

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12 minutes ago, dolphinmaster said:

Looks like  a serious pig!  Within the first minute with sails full, it could barely make it up a wave.  Not an inspiring look at all.

 

I like the blowback when it pitches. I here an "Ooof" every time.....

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Thing looks like it's about ready to submarine the next wave it plunges through thanks to the Christopher Nolan Batman films design inspiration...

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"Quirky and cool, imposing and insane..." Mr. narrator dood, you forgot the most important descriptor: "...and achieving new heights in defining fugly..."

Floating proof that $$$ <> taste. I wonder how hot that black nightmare will get in the sun when the AC fails.

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Just ditch the rigging all together and call it a day as a floating condo. It's not like it's going to go up wind or anything with that much windage....

 

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I thought that was the ass end of the boat in the picture until I saw the forestay.  Now I just think they accidentally built the hull backwards and said oh well, just roll with it.

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Can't believe they actually built the thing! Apparently they've "been told of the great performance of the yacht under sail" (10:05), love how it's basically stopped dead in the water in the next shot at 10:22, you can't make this stuff up!

It would make a lot more sense if you just removed the rig, especially if you can't even be bothered to trim the sails in a promo video!
I have to say the looks is far from the worse part, apart from a few really dumb things like: black decks, forward facing and downward facing barn doors surface, 1ft clearance in the "tunnels" (it's basically a barge in any kind of sea) crew cabin access, "steering wheels", inaccessible sailing hardware (how to you get to that jib furler for maintenance?), flooded garage (does it get pumped out?), hot tub on third floor, ok, that's a pretty long list...
I was just going to say that visually it doesn't bother me that much, and I actually think it looks pretty cool inside (in a luxury waterfront condo kind of way)!

Not sure if the orange bits on the bows were supposed to stop above the waterline but it looks like it's a bit down on its "lines" if that's the case (and presumably it's mostly empty!).
The mention silence but the slamming of the waves on the underside must be quite something, not too mention what looks like 2ft diameter speakers on the party deck (visible at 9:42), you wouldn't want that thing anchored near you!

That pretty much sums it up right there:

31 minutes ago, r.finn said:

This is why some things should remain vaporware.

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10 minutes ago, SloopJonB said:

Sure pitches a lot.

I was going to say-  there are some pianos that have a lock down lid, like Bosendorfer.  I don’t see one here.  Sail ties anyone? Roll roll, klang klang, rust rust....

I always wondered what one of Berndt K’s small designs would look like writ large, but he does a have a more minimal aesthetic.....

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4 hours ago, dolphinmaster said:

Looks like  a serious pig!  Within the first minute with sails full, it could barely make it up a wave.  Not an inspiring look at all.

 

The owner and guests are going to pig sick in minutes.

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16 minutes ago, SloopJonB said:

Sure pitches a lot.

I was going to say-  there are some pianos that have a lock down lid, like Bosendorfer.  I don’t see one here.  Sail ties anyone? Roll roll, klang klang, rust rust....

I always wondered what one of Berndt K’s small designs would look like writ large, but he does a have a more minimal aesthetic.....

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4 hours ago, RImike said:

I'm thinking that if they trimmed the sails properly the boat would heel to much causing the grand piano to shift and go out of tune.....

These are serious issues to be considered. :P

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Just now, mad said:

These are serious issues to be considered. :P

Or roll around.... moveable ballast?  500 pounds?  Although there are aluminum pianos out there....

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urp

 

that narrator/tourguide dude should focus on big fancy motor homes. 

 

and maybe the boatbuilder should too ....

 

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This is, far & away, the most gorgeous yacht I’ve ever had the pleasure to lay my eyes on! Simply incredible! Pictures in this case are worth a thousand words, & I don’t have words elegant enough to express what I feel when I look upon this beauty. Well done to all involved. Definitely the pinnacle of the yachting world as it stands to this point.

I've never been a big fan of sailing yachts, that one is really cool. I like that it can be operated as either a sailing vessel or powered by the engines. The look and style, and creative features like the hidden float in and out tender garage, holy cow, they nailed it.

Incredible Yacht! Fantastic video. The world needs more of this sort of innovation on the water. I want one!!!!Thank you for all you do showing these vessels.

It is so refreshing to witness a part of new beginnings for the yacht industry. I really do hope that this takes off in a very positive way for them. Very nice indeed. Thank you David for all your relentless dedicated work on this project. Cheers!

Wow. This thing is a game changer. It’s going to set new standards others will follow for decades to come.

 

All lifted from the comments section.   There are plenty more.

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2 hours ago, coyotepup said:

I thought that was the ass end of the boat in the picture until I saw the forestay.  Now I just think they accidentally built the hull backwards and said oh well, just roll with it.

Can it be ass-ugly on both ends?

Reminds me of an old joke, if I had a dog that ugly, I'd shave his butt and teach him to walk backwards

- DSK

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Just imagine what would happen to Olympic sailing viewership if this was chosen for the Olympic Offshore Doublehanded event.

Smart advertisers will be buying up ad space on coast guard and rescue vessels well before the event starts.

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3 minutes ago, basketcase said:

I bet its full of disruptive technology. I wonder how long it will take until the rudder fails and the crew are pulled out by the coast guard.

dontcha mean "rutter"?

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who wrote that dialogue in the video? "more beautiful than the Sistine Chapel"  while the jib is flogging and it flounders at 3 knots into the slop.  What a travesty of resources.

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2 hours ago, Bump-n-Grind said:

urp

 

that narrator/tourguide dude should focus on big fancy motor homes. 

 

and maybe the boatbuilder should too ....

 

No boatbuilders were involved with this “project”. 

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11 minutes ago, Justaquickone said:

Yep , pinnacle of 'marine design and technology ' then slap an old IOR rig on it??

Suppose it get what it deserves .

Uhhh...in what fuckin' world is that even remotely an IOR rig?

Because it has a mast and boom - and maybe a sort of B&R rig?

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Edit : I might have been unfair, comparing the boat to that controller. According to the end of the vid, I realise the controller probably sails better.

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3 minutes ago, Sail4beer said:

“Can be used as a powerboat or sailboat” 13 knot max speed...nice tri hull design brief

 

It's like the offspring of a MacGregor and a Gunboat, if the offspring grew up to run a Madoff-style pyramid scheme.

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"Sailboat A is the most pathetic, slowest, UGLIEST sailboat on the planet."

Handsteiger - "Hold my beer."

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4 hours ago, Amati said:

I was going to say-  there are some pianos that have a lock down lid, like Bosendorfer.  I don’t see one here.  Sail ties anyone? Roll roll, klang klang, rust rust....

I always wondered what one of Berndt K’s small designs would look like writ large, but he does a have a more minimal aesthetic.....

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3 hours ago, jorgensen said:

The piano movers must have totally cracked up, "we are setting this baby grand in that?"

Don't worry, it's 100% carbon fiber.  Right?

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The pinhead main does look seriously out of place... Because the center of gravity wasn't high enough yet they chose to go with in-mast furling which explains the "shape" of the main.
Really they should have gone full bat wing with a scalloped leach between thick battens maybe a "junk" (haha) rig style sail? 

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any idea how many 3rd world flunkies one has to employ to wipe off all the water spots every morning?  Did not see it in the specs..

 

Wonder which community college naval architecture program this designer graduated from (did they graduate?)

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So, like, I was playing this new board-casino-reality game in the monopoly-roulette-yachting dungeon and put my condomorran token on double zero. It came up a single zero and the prize was either the Handtugger or the pig that Bill Clinton brought home as a token of appreciation from the Iowa farmers making a killing from burning diesel for alcohol to save humanity that farted as he stepped off Air Force One with the Pig in his arms, the Sargent at arms ejaculated “Nice Pig Sir!” whereupon the not easily embarrassed President explained “the Pig was for Hillary”, and the Marine complimented his acumen “Nice Trade Sir!”


I chose the Handtugger Tri but that Pig sure was pretty 

 

 

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10 hours ago, mad said:

The owner and guests are going to pig sick in minutes.

Watching that video brought on the first ever recorded bout of sea sickness suffered while still at the kitchen table.

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Just finished watching the Expanse, on prime, lockdown days are slow time.

This looks just like living in a Martian gunship.

Okay, we all hate it, it will be terrible as a cruising boat, we are not the target market.  I give the designers and builders 100% for ingenuity, I see it as the coolest sculpture / toy you could ever get actually made, takes me back to all the cool boats I drew on my school books.  Maybe think of it as the best pontoon boat in the world?

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No seriously, I am all for exploring new and exotic designs, but this one is just SO bad as in it's only really good as if
-you are sitting in a flat protective bay, good luck trying to take that boat anywhere
-the crew cabins must have some sort of new vertical sleeping arrangement. 
-who ever choose the hellm clearly has never steared a boat before, who would ever helm a boat by holding it with both hands like a race car?

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I really like the picknick basket - so cute! I thought "Angst stager" is written with an G as third letter.

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Lets wait for the jump into hyperspace - too bad you cant reach the throttle when strapped in your seat

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1 hour ago, maxstaylock said:

Just finished watching the Expanse, on prime, lockdown days are slow time.

This looks just like living in a Martian gunship.

Okay, we all hate it, it will be terrible as a cruising boat, we are not the target market.  I give the designers and builders 100% for ingenuity, I see it as the coolest sculpture / toy you could ever get actually made, takes me back to all the cool boats I drew on my school books.  Maybe think of it as the best pontoon boat in the world?

But who IS the target market?  If I had just completely stupid amounts of money and wanted to spend it on something insane, it would be a piece of custom-built insanity that was built to my own tastes.  The target market would have to be like Ed Norton in The Italian Job - insanely rich, but with no imagination and perfectly willing to spend money on someone else's idea of a dream boat.

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11 hours ago, See Level said:

Truffle hunter,

Might be fun launching that piano out the back ala C-130

 

 

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I was thinking that with all that rolling/pitching they are going to have a physics lesson real quick and see how quickly an expensive piano can cause even more expensive damages. 

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32 minutes ago, coyotepup said:

But who IS the target market?  If I had just completely stupid amounts of money and wanted to spend it on something insane, it would be a piece of custom-built insanity that was built to my own tastes.  The target market would have to be like Ed Norton in The Italian Job - insanely rich, but with no imagination and perfectly willing to spend money on someone else's idea of a dream boat.

The insanely rich tend to have no imagination and have a childish conception of the world, which makes sense as they are mostly narcissists. 

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2 hours ago, maxstaylock said:

Just finished watching the Expanse, on prime, lockdown days are slow time.

This looks just like living in a Martian gunship.

Okay, we all hate it, it will be terrible as a cruising boat, we are not the target market.  I give the designers and builders 100% for ingenuity, I see it as the coolest sculpture / toy you could ever get actually made, takes me back to all the cool boats I drew on my school books.  Maybe think of it as the best pontoon boat in the world?

Cool is functional,  and even kids know it.  This is like the paper airplane that looks so "cool" but can't fly at all.  

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1 hour ago, Knut Grotzki said:

I really like the picknick basket - so cute! I thought "Angst stager" is written with an G as third letter.

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Lets wait for the jump into hyperspace - too bad you cant reach the throttle when strapped in your seat

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I don't even think the helms are connected to each other or else they would be at the same angle.... 

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Imagine the designer discussing performance with the new owner as they bounce around close reaching at 3 knots in 15 true...

Designer: "With some minor refinements, we should easily exceed our polars..."  
Translation: "Designing a boat is a lot harder than I thought..."

Owner:  "This is fantastic, just what I envisioned!"
Translation:  "What did I do?"

Boat Captain grumbles, "Who the hell is gonna want to bang me on this shitbox?"

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1 hour ago, robtoujours said:

The insanely rich tend to have no imagination and have a childish conception of the world, which makes sense as they are mostly narcissists. 

But I think a narcissist would want something he designed and that nobody else could have; build another one of these things and suddenly I don't want mine anymore.

He also would think he's better at designing stuff than the designers.

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19 hours ago, Raz&#x27;r said:

Yep, multihulls really do have cookies...

It was a perfect Segway cause you'd be tossing them after hanging out in the "master stateroom viewing area" in any kind of sea state.  

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Love the crew quarters are only accessible from the bow hatches.  Gotta really time your entries/exits there.

I bet the rig is gone and it's just a power "yacht" in 6 months.

How do you anchor it?  There's no visible anchor set up on the bow/s.

 

 

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I like the concept, but the execution was lacking. The idea of creating volume within a unibody trimaran is actually brilliant, but the whole batmobile style and garage door party deck really compromises the final product. I wonder if a serious naval architect could take a crack at a voluminous tri that doesn't suck?

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 Volume(weight)and multihulls (speed)don’t work well together as seen in the video, so no, the concept sucks from the get go. 

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Are you kidding? Cruising trimarans were here long before cruising cats and lots of them were really good boats, they just didn't have the "condo" thing going, so faded from the front page. 

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1 minute ago, Benytoe said:

looks like the batman car on water

 

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Only the 4th time this has been mentioned, I can only imagine how many times whomever is on board will receive similar comments..

 

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2 minutes ago, Airwick said:

Not to everyone's taste but seriously huge inside and it actually sails pretty well!

https://www.neel-trimarans.com/range/neel-65-evolution/

 

I would guess the Neel has 1/2 the displacement for the waterline. that black eyesore will never look like that. The L:B ration for those hulls, what, 8:1?  The black thing, maybe 3.5:1?  Lagoon chartermaran territory. 

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20 minutes ago, RImike said:

Only the 4th time this has been mentioned, I can only imagine how many times whomever is on board will receive similar comments..

 

 By whomever, I suppose you mean these gentlemen?

They're sorting out the final details of the build at the moment.

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1 minute ago, Sail4beer said:

 By whomever, I suppose you mean these gentlemen?

They're sorting out the final details of the build at the moment.

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Seriously, this boat has drunk Adam West directed by high Christopher Nolan written all over it. 

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I met Adam West in the late 80’s while doing some acting in NYC. On and off set he was the same, just like Batman at all times. 

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18 hours ago, Bitter Gnat said:

Looks like Hot Rod designed it. Do they sell carbon fiber plywood at Home Depot?

Even the straightest 2X4 at Home Depot has more rocker that this boat.

 

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2 hours ago, coyotepup said:

But I think a narcissist would want something he designed and that nobody else could have; build another one of these things and suddenly I don't want mine anymore.

He also would think he's better at designing stuff than the designers.

Not all the insanely rich are flagrant narcissists. Thinking of Warren Buffet, maybe Bill Gates, etc. Those that are self made tend to view their achievements as an end in their selves, not as a chance to show off their wealth. I'm betting this cat inherited or got lucky buying Tesla and Facebook early on.

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20 hours ago, Airwick said:

...it's basically a barge...

From the FAQ:

"The boat is 64 feet (19.5m) long and has a beam of 31 feet (9.5m). It weighs 40 tons."

I can't imagine anything out there with these dimensions that is not literally a barge!

I bet it's a gag - yacht designer wants to make a mockery of the rich bully who teased him in school...

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13 minutes ago, gspot said:

From the FAQ:

"The boat is 64 feet (19.5m) long and has a beam of 31 feet (9.5m). It weighs 40 tons."

I can't imagine anything out there with these dimensions that is not literally a barge!

I bet it's a gag - yacht designer wants to make a mockery of the rich bully who teased him in school...

Yep, literally twice the displacement of the Neel 65. And before y'all start bitching about design weight, if the Neel is over, so is the humpdigger.

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