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42 minutes ago, dg_sailingfan said:

They have challenged only 1983, 2003, 2017, 2021 and now AC37 (whenever AC37 might be held).

So, not a whole lot (at least for the modern-day AC since we have the CSS) and without Ainslie I seriously doubt the Brits would have challenged in 2017.

I don't really count the Lipton Challenges because that was before we all were born.

And how many of those were designed by Kiwi's?

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I’m not calling this out for the sake of ostracizing you, nor to play PC police on a forum that is notorious for the opposite of that. I could just hit ignore, delete or whatever. I’m calling this out

Hilarious to watch Kiwis who've been around since AC35 twist themselves into intellectual pretzels to give ETNZ a pass on what they screamed bloody murder about when Oracle did it. Even Oracle di

Wow, 13 pages, a frenzy of outraged indignation over something that hasn't even been decided yet? This must set some new kind of SA record??! (... probably not )

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5 hours ago, Forourselves said:

A member of the NZ order of merit so yep he’s a Kiwi

You said he was just a hired foreigner the other day;-) make your mind up :lol:

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Just now, JALhazmat said:

You said he was just a hired foreigner the other day;-) make your mind up :lol:

He is. He was hired by GD in 2012 for his expertise, when he was let go by Oracle Team USA. Since then, he has won the Cup twice for NZ, he has also joined the NZ Order of Merit. So yes, a hired foreigner who found the grass was greener on the other side.

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3 minutes ago, JALhazmat said:

The recent one sure as fuck wasnt ;-) 

when the team don’t even list the head of design as a kiwi that’s when your argument falls flat 

Probably because like I've always said... its irrelevant.

He could be from Nigeria for all I care (Which I don't) designer nationality is completely irrelevant to anything.

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2 minutes ago, Forourselves said:

He is. He was hired by GD in 2012 for his expertise, when he was let go by Oracle Team USA. Since then, he has won the Cup twice for NZ, he has also joined the NZ Order of Merit. So yes, a hired foreigner who found the grass was greener on the other side.

So you can switch nationality back and forth with the magic fern?  That’s incredible! Should solve any immigration issues or nationality Clause problems at the stop of a hat

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1 minute ago, Forourselves said:

Probably because like I've always said... its irrelevant.

He could be from Nigeria for all I care (Which I don't) designer nationality is completely irrelevant to anything.

You were the one that brought it up though and claimed he was a kiwi?

why would you do that? Lie so obviously? 

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Just now, JALhazmat said:

So you can switch nationality back and forth with the magic fern?  That’s incredible! Should solve any immigration issues or nationality Clause problems at the stop of a hat

If thats what you wanna do? Its a free world. No one cares.

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3 minutes ago, JALhazmat said:

You were the one that brought it up though and claimed he was a kiwi?

why would you do that? Lie so obviously? 

No, I did it in response to a few idiots ( the same old haters) who said Kiwi's didn't design any of the successful Cup yachts, that the Kiwi design team just turns up to work, puts their feet up, sips martini's and watches GV do all of the design work by himself. 

Completely absurd statements, they deserve completely absurd responses.

 

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6 minutes ago, Forourselves said:

No, I did it in response to a few idiots ( the same old haters) who said Kiwi's didn't design any of the successful Cup yachts, that the Kiwi design team just turns up to work, puts their feet up, sips martini's and watches GV do all of the design work by himself. 

Completely absurd statements, they deserve completely absurd responses.

 

So you admit it was absurd to falsely claim Bernasconi was a kiwi? You just did it numerous times on numerous threads to be sure we got the message how absurd it was.... :lol:

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4 minutes ago, JALhazmat said:

So you admit it was absurd to falsely claim Bernasconi was a kiwi? You just did it numerous times on numerous threads to be sure we got the message how absurd it was.... :lol:

No. Bernasconi is as Kiwi as the rest of the team.

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Why haven't Brits won the AC by now? Easy, that's been answered many times. As a nation we don't care about it so it is way down the priorities.

Take fluid dynamics experts -essential to the design right? (Far more so than burling saying what he wants).

In the UK a graduate in the subject could choose to work for almost every F1 team as most are designed in UK. As are F2 cars, formula e-card etc. The only reason indycars aren't is because they were embarrassed that their cars were UK designed so went one design.

Or if that doesn't appeal you can work for airbus designing the wings for half the world's commercial aircraft.

Or Sabre on air breathing rockets 

Or Bae on defence work. 

So we had to employ an immigrant who would work for peanuts because Dan B realised that if he wanted to work on boats he would get no recognition for it in the UK

 

 

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8 hours ago, JALhazmat said:

Obvious troll is obvious.. 

 

As much as Jimmy claims to be American. As much as Leo Takahashi claims to be Japanese (or Kiwi) which ever.

Dan is Kiwi because he chooses to live here, work here, and represent this country on the world stage.

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21 hours ago, NeedAClew said:

If I get a silver fern and race a rented dinghy can I be a kiwi? Can I use that to go to OZ in the bubble? No good snorkeling in NZ.

Only if you're fast, Clew.  ;-)

By the way, there's plenty of good snorkeling in NZL.

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2 hours ago, Forourselves said:

Dan is Kiwi because he chooses to live here, work here, and represent this country on the world stage.

I see that you are not only an AC expert, a SailGP specialist, but also an immigration lawyer.

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17 hours ago, enigmatically2 said:

Why haven't Brits won the AC by now? Easy, that's been answered many times. As a nation we don't care about it so it is way down the priorities.

That's a cop out. Deep down you know you're not good enough - which has been proven every time you've had a crack. Worlds longest losing streak?

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7 hours ago, Tornado-Cat said:

I see that you are not only an AC expert, a SailGP specialist, but also an immigration lawyer.

Ugh... you're not funny.

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Just now, Tornado-Cat said:

You are.

I'm also more knowledgeable than you. Now run along along, the street lights are coming on and Mummy wants you home for dinner:)

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56 minutes ago, Forourselves said:

I'm also more knowledgeable than you. Now run along along, the street lights are coming on and Mummy wants you home for dinner:)

As opposed to mummy hasn’t allowed you out of the basement? 

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1 hour ago, JALhazmat said:

As opposed to mummy hasn’t allowed you out of the basement? 

Didn't yours ever tell you its rude to butt into a discussion that has nothing to do with you?

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54 minutes ago, Forourselves said:

Didn't yours ever tell you its rude to butt into a discussion that has nothing to do with you?

Only taking your lead.. ;-)

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52 minutes ago, JALhazmat said:

Only taking your lead.. ;-)

Seems to be a trend with you:) You'll be an honorary Kiwi in no time and all your dreams will be realised.

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1 hour ago, Forourselves said:

Seems to be a trend with you:) You'll be an honorary Kiwi in no time and all your dreams will be realised.

I was referring to getting into every topic going wether you have a clue about the contents ;-) 

 

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2 hours ago, JALhazmat said:

I was referring to getting into every topic going wether you have a clue about the contents ;-) 

 

Be fair, if he only posted on topics on which he had some knowledge....

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10 hours ago, Horn Rock said:

That's a cop out. Deep down you know you're not good enough - which has been proven every time you've had a crack. Worlds longest losing streak?

Not really the world's longest losing streak though. Neither NZ or any kiwi has have ever won

the Carlisle Bells (since 1599)

The scorton silver arrow (1673)

Etc 

Now that I thought that was due to lack of interest, but maybe it's that Kiwis aren't good enough?

 

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8 hours ago, JALhazmat said:

I was referring to getting into every topic going wether you have a clue about the contents ;-) 

 

Doesn't stop you doing it though does it:)

 

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6 hours ago, enigmatically2 said:

Be fair, if he only posted on topics on which he had some knowledge....

When you can prove me wrong, i'll listen. But no one can without making themselves look like a hypocrite lol thats the real reason my posts piss you off.

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46 minutes ago, Forourselves said:

Doesn't stop you doing it though does it:)

 

As you have pointed out many times, people can post where they like..

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45 minutes ago, Forourselves said:

When you can prove me wrong, i'll listen. But no one can without making themselves look like a hypocrite lol thats the real reason my posts piss you off.

The Bernasconi is a kiwi thing? Proved wrong, laughed at and then you come up with your magic fern theory.. :lol:

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1 hour ago, JALhazmat said:

The Bernasconi is a kiwi thing? Proved wrong, laughed at and then you come up with your magic fern theory.. :lol:

is it? 

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11 minutes ago, Forourselves said:

So he’s British, German, Swiss and Kiwi?

 

Presumably you also think British Airways is a kiwi airline because some of their aircraft land there

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1 hour ago, enigmatically2 said:

Presumably you also think British Airways is a kiwi airline because some of their aircraft land there

Presumably I don’t give a shit.

How did Bernasconi’s nationality become an issue again? I don’t remember?

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5 hours ago, Forourselves said:

Presumably I don’t give a shit.

How did Bernasconi’s nationality become an issue again? I don’t remember?

That kiwi's can't design their own boats and when they do they lose. That is why you keep saying dickheads like PB are responsible for the design and DB is a fucking kiwi.

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7 hours ago, Forourselves said:

Presumably I don’t give a shit.

How did Bernasconi’s nationality become an issue again? I don’t remember?

You keep lying about it, we all keep proving you wrong. It’s a game that can literally go on forever. 

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21 hours ago, pusslicker said:

That kiwi's can't design their own boats and when they do they lose. That is why you keep saying dickheads like PB are responsible for the design and DB is a fucking kiwi.

Dan is head of design. He leads a team of 30, the majority are Kiwi's. To say "Kiwi's can't design their own boats" is just a dumbass comment from a bitter, jealous little man that can't help but chop down a team that has been the most dominant team in the Americas Cup for the last 30 years.

Kiwi's can, do, are and will continue to design our own boats, and we'll keep on winning like we always do and haters like you will keep crying, bitching and moaning like you always do.

3 more years boys.

WE ARE THE CHAMPIONS.

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20 hours ago, JALhazmat said:

You keep lying about it, we all keep proving you wrong. It’s a game that can literally go on forever. 

You haven't proved anything...

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On 5/13/2021 at 1:30 PM, Horn Rock said:

That's a cop out. Deep down you know you're not good enough....

Ahem. Waltzing Matilda? ;-)

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1 hour ago, Forourselves said:

Kiwi's can, do, are and will continue to design our own boats, and we'll keep on winning like we always do

 

Back to the sad reality for you.

Your money is coming from the Emirates

Your skipper and wing trimmer was an Aussie

Your TNZ prez is Italian

Your designers were French and Brit, the consultant was American.

Problem is that the AC is a design contest and NZ has no serious designer, can you give one name ?

Basically, you beat your chest for a non kiwi team. Don't break your arm.

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9 minutes ago, Tornado-Cat said:

Back to the sad reality for you.

Your money is coming from the Emirates

No one cares.

Your skipper and wing trimmer was an Aussie

No one cares

Your TNZ prez is Italian

No one cares

Your designers were French and Brit, the consultant was American.

No one cares.

Problem is that the AC is a design contest and NZ has no serious designer, can you give one name ?

Do some research before posting rubbish, dickhead.

Basically, you beat your chest and might break your arm for a non kiwi team.

We are the Champions. You are the loser.

 

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11 minutes ago, Tornado-Cat said:

Problem is that the AC is a design contest and NZ has no serious designer, can you give one name ?

 

Hey @JALhazmat are you going to prove this guy wrong or nah?

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18 minutes ago, Tornado-Cat said:

I am asking the question to you, can you name one serious kiwi designer ?

 

 

Not to mention NZ's Hall of Famer's

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6 minutes ago, Tornado-Cat said:

You gave me the answer, there is no serious kiwi designer in a design competition. Thanks for the effort.

So AC winners and Hall of Famers aren't serious? You just proved I'm more intelligent than you.

Stick to SailGP with the rest of the dumbasses.

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3 minutes ago, Forourselves said:

So AC winners and Hall of Famers aren't serious? You just proved I'm more intelligent than you.

Stick to SailGP with the rest of the dumbasses.

Let's hope that your fellow kiwis will keep up with the fleet next event, you won't the excuse they did not have time to train.

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13 minutes ago, Tornado-Cat said:

Let's hope that your fellow kiwis will keep up with the fleet next event, you won't the excuse they did not have time to train.

Lets hope that one day you'll know something useful about the AC.

Until then , the dumbasses in the FailGP thread are calling your name:)

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55 minutes ago, Tornado-Cat said:

Problem is that the AC is a design contest and NZ has no serious designer, can you give one name ?

Greg Elliott

Kevin Dibley

Brett Bakewell-White

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3 hours ago, Forourselves said:

Hey @JALhazmat are you going to prove this guy wrong or nah?

I looked at the ETNZ web page but under head of design it had some British bloke... so there is that.

keep grasping 

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3 hours ago, Forourselves said:

 

 

Not to mention NZ's Hall of Famer's

Pedals were Italian, confirmed by Max

main sail concept vid, that’s an ozzy fronting it. 
wasn't the fcs Italian? 

Dan is British 

keep going this is good 

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Just now, JALhazmat said:

Pedals were Italian, confirmed by Max

main sail concept vid, that’s an ozzy fronting it. 
wasn't the fcs Italian? 

Dan is British 

keep going this is good 

Oh and your superior team that have been together for 30 years? Wtf are you on about? 
 

it’s like saying the yanks being successful kept the team together for 130+ years 

personnel,  structures, sponsors names all change. It’s not the same team now as it was 30 years ago. Overseas investment, foreign sailers/designers its the same for ALL teams. 
 

stop being so one eyed. 
 

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Instead of being happy that a team like ETNZ has so much integrative power, a stupid nationality card is played by a certain poster. Misled pride I would say. 

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2 hours ago, JALhazmat said:

Pedals were Italian, confirmed by Max

main sail concept vid, that’s an ozzy fronting it. 
wasn't the fcs Italian? 

Dan is British 

keep going this is good 

Pedals were Italian? Sure they were. Bikes weren't Italian. It was a concept the team thought about from the start. Confirmed by Bernasconi and Ashby.

Mainsail concept led by Burns Fallow. Confirmed by, well, himself.

Dan is British, he leads a team of 30.

Carry on.

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2 hours ago, JALhazmat said:

Oh and your superior team that have been together for 30 years? Wtf are you on about? 
 

it’s like saying the yanks being successful kept the team together for 130+ years 

personnel,  structures, sponsors names all change. It’s not the same team now as it was 30 years ago. Overseas investment, foreign sailers/designers its the same for ALL teams. 
 

stop being so one eyed. 
 

FFS. Its a continuation of the Team NZ Brand. Get over it!

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1 hour ago, Rennmaus said:

Instead of being happy that a team like ETNZ has so much integrative power, a stupid nationality card is played by a certain poster. Misled pride I would say. 

I am happy. Completely happy. The ones who are playing the Nationality card are the ones who are crying about a 100% Nationality rule being so unfair because it excludes Slingsby and Outteridge. Tough shit. The event will continue with or without them. All they need to do is convince Larry to fund an Australian challenge and problem solved.

When ETNZ were short of funding in the Bermuda campaign, a lot of posters said "If the Kiwi's can't afford to compete, they should fuck off"

Now those same people are saying "Oh the costs are too high, they need to bring the costs down so teams can compete"

The shoe is on the other foot now.

In terms of misled pride, Nope, I'd say unapologetically Kiwi.

 

 

 

 

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21 minutes ago, Forourselves said:

Pedals were Italian? Sure they were. Bikes weren't Italian. It was a concept the team thought about from the start. Confirmed by Bernasconi and Ashby.

Mainsail concept led by Burns Fallow. Confirmed by, well, himself.

Dan is British, he leads a team of 30.

Carry on.

Max is on record saying bikes were part of the tech given to NZ when Prada withdrew. 
 

doubke skin mains are not the brain child of a kiwi

FINALLY ADMITTING that dan isn’t a kiwi? Holy crap! What about the silver fern theory? :lol:

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32 minutes ago, JALhazmat said:

Max is on record saying bikes were part of the tech given to NZ when Prada withdrew. 
 

doubke skin mains are not the brain child of a kiwi

FINALLY ADMITTING that dan isn’t a kiwi? Holy crap! What about the silver fern theory? :lol:

Remember, Max's team is on record saying they knew nothing about a meeting regarding the Port proposal to restrict access. Until it came out that a member of LR had attended said meeting, and actually agreed to the proposal, so then the excuse became, "oh well he must have forgot to tell the rest of the team"

Max says one thing, Team NZ say another. There are multiple videos in which Team NZ explain how the cycling system came about, how it was designed, who was responsible and how they made it work, yet not a thing from Max other than "yeah we gave them that idea" Yeah right.

I never said "Double skin sails are the brainchild of a Kiwi" I said the Mainsail design concept for the AC75 was designed and developed by Burns Fallow, and his team at North Sails, which it was.

Dan led the Kiwi team. His Nationality is irrelevant and a pointless discussion that you're trying to hang on to because I've proved you wrong with everything else.

Dans british. I don't care, you don't care (or maybe you do, but its irrelevant anyway) end of discussion. 

Meanwhile, we're still the Champions.

 

 

 

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This discussion has deteriorated to a level where it is virtually pointless.

Let's not let 4selves tone of posts detract from the incredible achievements of New Zealand in the Americas cup over decades. They have participated in more finals than any other team in recent history and have just come off winning the cup 2 cycles in succession having lost it by 1 race in the closest AC match of all time. 

Its a combination of great leadership, and a talent pool of extraordinary sailors for such a small nation.  The leadership identified and recruited a brilliant young British designer and they also chose to take the design decisions that they did.

NZ have been brilliant unquestionable winners in the last two ACs. 4 selves and all NZers are right to be proud.

It also requires humility going forward. The resources and talent being thrown at the challenge are considerable.  Thus far, since the cup left NYYC in 1983, four clubs have succeeded in defending the cup once :

San Diego YC in 1991

RNZYS in 2000

Alinghi (SNG) in 2007

GGYC in 2013 (although the prior win doesnt really count)

RNYS (again!) in 2021.

Nobody has successfully defended it twice in a row.

In other words 5 successful defenses and 4 successful challenges (excluding DoG matches). It is tough to get this right.

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5 hours ago, Forourselves said:

Pedals were Italian? Sure they were. Bikes weren't Italian. It was a concept the team thought about from the start. Confirmed by Bernasconi and Ashby.

 

You ignorant, the concept was developped in 2010 by Cammas on his trimaran. So the pedals are italians and the concept is not kiwi, but french.

Ils-ont-fait-2010-Franck-Cammas-2e-partie.jpg

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4 hours ago, Tornado-Cat said:

You ignorant, the concept was developped in 2010 by Cammas on his trimaran. So the pedals are italians and the concept is not kiwi, but french.

Ils-ont-fait-2010-Franck-Cammas-2e-partie.jpg

2 very different systems for 2 very different uses.

So NO, just because Cammas had a bike on board doesn't mean the tech was either the same, or that it was developed by them.

 

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19 minutes ago, Sailbydate said:

And all this shit talk matters, because why?

Because it's 3 weeks until the next SailGP, and it's early in the AC cycle so there is nothing much to talk about here except 4Us hobby (trolling) which I must confess he is quite good at.

 

 

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2 hours ago, Forourselves said:

2 very different systems for 2 very different uses.

So NO, just because Cammas had a bike on board doesn't mean the tech was either the same, or that it was developed by them.

 

So the Swedes doing it in the 70's doesn't count? Of course not. The Kiwi's even designed the Saturn V rocket. 

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45 minutes ago, enigmatically2 said:

Because it's 3 weeks until the next SailGP, and it's early in the AC cycle so there is nothing much to talk about here except 4Us hobby (trolling) which I must confess he is quite good at.

 

 

For the record, I will troll ONLY when I am trolled by others. Passionately supporting my team is NOT trolling.

You might say "just put the trolls like @Tornado-Cat on ignore. Why should I? Why should I let trolls like him keep saying what ever they want to say about My team without consequence? No, I won't do that.

Call me "Fanboy" call me "Bias" call me "One eyed" and I'll say Yes. So you'd better dot your i's and cross your t's before trolling me, because I'll give it back as good as good as anyone can give it. So before you give it, think about exactly what it is you're gonna say.

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11 minutes ago, pusslicker said:

So the Swedes doing it in the 70's doesn't count? Of course not. The Kiwi's even designed the Saturn V rocket. 

No it doesn't. 2 VERY different systems. 

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6 hours ago, Tornado-Cat said:

To change from 4. 186415733_1191839394578432_8028769097988305411_n.thumb.jpg.09da67e0d81e2ccb0a658e6d4b30e43c.jpg

Quite magnificent really, would have been amazing to see them in action. No carbon, stainless steel, synthetic sails or plastics. Apparently the story goes if a candle blew out in front of the Squadron it was time to reef. Imagine if the French got into them.

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8 hours ago, Forourselves said:

At least it didn't kill a whole crew... twice

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Talking about being correct before you say something..

firstly how do you kill a crew twice? It’s impossible. 
 

second, wtf are you doing using that as an example to “win” your point. 
 

what's next using a pic of folded up Artemis where Bart died to make a point?

all Germans are murderers because of what Hitler did? 

 

there are way better ways to get your point across.  

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11 minutes ago, JALhazmat said:

there are way better ways to get your point across.  

First, you can't kill the same crew twice. But you can kill two different crews.

Secondly, You should tell yourself this more often.

Like I said. Think about it before you troll me, because i'll give it back and then some.

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25 minutes ago, Forourselves said:

First, you can't kill the same crew twice. But you can kill two different crews.

Secondly, You should tell yourself this more often.

Like I said. Think about it before you troll me, because i'll give it back and then some.

Which isn’t what you said you grammatically inept fool. 
 

I am not trolling you, neither are the other posters that think it was a fucking shit house thing posting up an exploding rocket that killed those on board to “win” your bullshit argument. 
 

trolling you was the Sail GP stuff where “your” team failed miserably, trolling was when you stupidly thought Dan was a kiwi and his magic fern would convert anyone wearing it.

 

your rocket thing? That’s just being a cunt. 

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Ha ha, fill me. That was a heap of bits wasted. I am on  4's side, most of his statements are factual

Hazmat is struggling with facts methinks..it's happened before

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13 minutes ago, JALhazmat said:

Which isn’t what you said you grammatically inept fool. 
 

I am not trolling you, neither are the other posters that think it was a fucking shit house thing posting up an exploding rocket that killed those on board to “win” your bullshit argument. 

Your mate posted a pic of a Rocket lab rocket that crashed implying Kiwi's were shit at designing rockets. I did the same thing. 
 

trolling you was the Sail GP stuff where “your” team failed miserably, Now you are trolling. A 5th position on a brand new boat with 1 days training IS NOT a bad result.

Trolling was when you stupidly thought Dan was a kiwi and his magic fern would convert anyone wearing it.

Trolling was when you and your mate said Kiwi's can not and have not ever designed a winning AC boat, something they have done multiple times.

your rocket thing? That’s just being a cunt. 

Like I said, I'll troll anyone that trolls me. I don't give a shit. Don't troll Me, and I won't troll you.

Trolling was when you and your mate said NZ had no serious AC designers. BULLSHIT. NZ has many AC Hall of Fame designers. 

But you can't because you've got nothing. NOTHING.

So you go back to Dan Bernasconi's Nationality like it fucking matters when it doesn't.

If you wanna dish it out you have to be able to take it. Not troll someone and then cry like  a little baby when you get shit back.

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7 minutes ago, barfy said:

Ha ha, fill me. That was a heap of bits wasted. I am on  4's side, most of his statements are factual

Hazmat is struggling with facts methinks..it's happened before

Which facts? 
 

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5 minutes ago, Forourselves said:

 


some bloke said kiwis were shit at rockets? I don’t give a shit if they are or aren’t.  That was never my argument. Posting up a pic of people being killed as a response is a shit move. THAT was my point. 

5th only beating boats that retired? Dead fucking last.. 

nope. I said Dan is British, he is. you said repeatedly he is a kiwi. 

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Just now, JALhazmat said:

Which facts? 
 

Hmmm lets see.

Can you actually prove, I mean prove, Dan Bernasconi doesn't have NZ citizenship? He has lived in NZ for at least 8 years now. To obtain citizen ship, you only have to be a resident for five years, and been physically residing here. Making him eligible.

Second, tell your mate Tornado cunt NZ DOES have serious AC designers, many who have been inducted into the Hall of fame.

Third, the AC75 was designed by the LR and ETNZ design teams, not by one man Guillame Verdier.