The AC 37 has started, news and rumours

[Sailbydate 3,605]

2 hours ago, Stingray~ said:

I prefer Dunphy's approach: Just win the damn thing here again where the Cup Match belongs

Ha. Is that the Dunphy approach? Good to know, Stinger.

[Stingray~ 2,262]

20 minutes ago, Sailbydate said:

Ha. Is that the Dunphy approach? Good to know, Stinger.

Look, I apologize to all here who may feel like I flood-posted too often today. It was a potentially big date in AC37. Yes, the postponement became obvious to the closest followers here, but it was interesting reading anyway when that inevitable non-announcement happened.

 

20 minutes ago, Sailbydate said:

I prefer Dunphy's approach: Just win the damn thing here again where the Cup Match belongs

Surely you as an NZer hope this works out well? The guy is trying to make it happen, surely he deserves at least some f'ing credit?

[dogwatch 1,311]

It is perfectly clear that Dunphy and Dalton have a well developed mutual loathing. It is also highly plausible that team IP is owned by TNZ and it is easily confirmed that Dalton is a shareholder and director of that company.

I don’t see much prospect of a marriage made in heaven here.

[Gissie 1,755]

1 hour ago, Stingray~ said:

"to explore the viability of an Auckland event and if it in fact can be fully and completely funded locally."

Herein lies the problem. There is no real problem with the 'event' being funded. Anyone that believes it will cost 200 million to run the event is just crazy.

The reality appears to be that the team wants most of their team costs to be covered, as well as the event. There is no way the government,
or council, could justify paying out directly to a pro team. Especially one that thought it could make unreasonable demands with the threat that they would take their cup elsewhere if not indulged.

[SloopJohnB 360]

1 hour ago, Xlot said:

MOF, who are TNZ’s current shareholders?

 

All the details here, since 1993

https://app.companiesoffice.govt.nz/companies/app/ui/pages/companies/582931

And a lot of documents

https://app.companiesoffice.govt.nz/companies/app/ui/pages/companies/582931/documents

 

Plus there is the TNZL Nominee Limited 

https://app.companiesoffice.govt.nz/companies/app/ui/pages/companies/8152654

[Kate short for Bob 438]

19 minutes ago, Gissie said:

There is no way the government,
or council, could justify paying out directly to a pro team.

Why not?  They already do it for other professional teams.

[Fiji Bitter 1,972]

10 minutes ago, SloopJohnB said:

All the details here, since 1993

No need to go that far back, it was all spelled out here on AC not long ago. IIRC it was de Nora, Dalts, and Shoebie.

 

[Sailbydate 3,605]

36 minutes ago, Stingray~ said:

Look, I apologize to all here who may feel like I flood-posted too often today. It was a potentially big date in AC37. Yes, the postponement became obvious to the closest followers here, but it was interesting reading anyway when that inevitable non-announcement happened.

 

Surely you as an NZer hope this works out well? The guy is trying to make it happen, surely he deserves at least some f'ing credit?

Firstly, there's no reason you need to apologise for adding content. In fact, I appreciate the way you do this.  We're all happy to give our 2 cents worth, but not too many of us take the time to find and post content. I even like one or two of your ideas and thinking. ;-)

Secondly, no - I do not hope Dunphy's approach to TNZ works out. What I hope for, is that TNZ finds enough budget to ensure a successful AC37 Defence. If that involves Dunphy, a bunch of Leprechauns, or some filthy rich Arabs, so be it.

[Gissie 1,755]

5 minutes ago, Kate short for Bob said:

Why not?  They already do it for other professional teams.

Like?

[Stingray~ 2,262]

30 minutes ago, Sailbydate said:

I do not hope Dunphy's approach to TNZ works out

Care to elaborate on the problem with MD's approach? The guy who has for years avoided any limelight but is offering to raise NZD$10M's and has been asked to front this damn thing at the request of Fay and others? They guy with a quiet Kiwi confidence they can make this happen? I hope it DOES work work out - for everyone! Jeezus, who the the hell else is at the otherwise-empty Poker table? The hoped-for game never happened, it is GD hoping to talk to the card dealer at this point..

The dealer knows by now that you have no hand, and nothing up your sleeve. 

 

[Kate short for Bob 438]

19 minutes ago, Gissie said:

Like?

Rugby, Cricket, League.

They even bailed Thoroughbred Racing out with close to $100m.

[Gissie 1,755]

8 minutes ago, Kate short for Bob said:

Rugby, Cricket, League.

They even bailed Thoroughbred Racing out with close to $100m.

Government funds directly to the All Blacks, Black Caps and the Kiwis?

 

[Kate short for Bob 438]

3 minutes ago, Gissie said:

Government funds directly to the All Blacks, Black Caps and the Kiwis?

 

The Warriors too.

[idontwan2know 230]

This is going to end with somebody blowing out a TNZ that is a complete shell of itself, if they don't implode completely before the defense can take place. 

 

I think Dunphy is full of shit and won't be able to raise anywhere close to what's needed, but if there's no venue willing to pay a host fee, what other option is there?

 

[Fiji Bitter 1,972]

31 minutes ago, Stingray~ said:

Care to elaborate on the problem with MD's approach?

Spinray, you really are so fucking naive that it's not funny anymore. 

Beats you contemplating going to a Covid BBQ party, by golly!

 

[Stingray~ 2,262]

15 minutes ago, idontwan2know said:

think Dunphy is full of shit and won't be able to raise anywhere close to what's needed, but if there's no venue willing to pay a host fee, what other option is there?

Agree. But it's a good IF. Dunphy (Mark Dunphy, right? maybe we can use MD) and whatever backers (carrot and stick approach with the rumored lawsuits in the wings) could very well be GD's best option at this point. 

[Stingray~ 2,262]

15 minutes ago, Fiji Bitter said:

Spinray, you really are so fucking naive that it's not funny anymore.

C'mon, surely you can do better than that? 

[Priscilla 2,803]

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/mark-dunphy-offers-short-term-funding-to-team-nz-as-part-of-talks-to-keep-cup-in-auckland/EZSIBXK7CB5FLZNKEDBF4453QA/

 

[Sailbydate 3,605]

1 hour ago, Stingray~ said:

Care to elaborate on the problem with MD's approach? The guy who has for years avoided any limelight but is offering to raise NZD$10M's and has been asked to front this damn thing at the request of Fay and others? They guy with a quiet Kiwi confidence they can make this happen? I hope it DOES work work out - for everyone! Jeezus, who the the hell else is at the otherwise-empty Poker table? The hoped-for game never happened, it is GD hoping to talk to the card dealer at this point..

The dealer knows by now that you have no hand, and nothing up your sleeve. 

 

Let's just say, there will likely be strings attached. Could TNZ live with them?

First off, Dunphy wanted GD's head. So then (after a fairly direct, 'fuck off' from the team) it wasn't him who wanted GD's head after all, but a few of his nameless backers. He then supposedly dumps the head-hunters and finds replacements who are OK with GD staying on - so long as he has nothing to do with the finances....and that the head-hunting wasn't his idea anyway. All the while, he leaks the whole sorry shitskriege to the press and refuses (or more likely can't) supply details of his offer to TNZ, despite their several requests. 

So far, a monumental a fuckup. Can't say I'm liking his approach much at all. Not doing so well in the 'trust' department was he?

IF and it's a big fucking IF, Dunphy's proposal is worth following up (TNZ now has some detail to evaluate, I believe) and in the absence of a better offer (which is now looking increasingly unlikely) maybe they can negotiate how they can live with each other.

But, as you well know, Stinger in this game, even the best of relationships can turn to shit. But at least, most of those relationships started out in good faith. This possible one - not so much IMO.

[Stingray~ 2,262]

11 minutes ago, Sailbydate said:

But, as you well know, Stinger in this game, even the best of relationships can turn to shit. But at least, most of those relationships started out in good faith. This possible one - not so much IMO.

You recounted the press impressions well but I do suspect that ETNZ's response was overtly-incendiary compared to what what MD actually said even initially.

 Yes, it may be true that relationships will cause this to fail but: I definitely hope cooler heads and logic prevail instead. MD has so far kept a pretty good cool.

[Kate short for Bob 438]

1 minute ago, Stingray~ said:

You recounted the press impressions well but I do suspect that ETNZ's response was overtly-incendiary compared to what what MD actually said even initially.

 Yes, it may be true that relationships will cause this to fail but: I definitely hope cooler heads and logic prevail instead. 

Well hopefully they don't listen to your advice.

[Kate short for Bob 438]

5 minutes ago, Stingray~ said:

suspect that ETNZ's response was overtly-incendiary compared to what what MD actually said even initially.

Really?  Wasn't it Dunphy that went to press saying Dalton needed to go?  How "overtly-incendiary" would you call that?

Also was Dunphys claim that the RNZYS had approved him as chief fund raiser correct or bluster?

[Stingray~ 2,262]

9 minutes ago, Kate short for Bob said:

Wasn't it Dunphy that went to press saying Dalton needed to go?  How "overtly-incendiary" would you call that?

Dunphy said some of his funders wanted GD excluded from running the next Auckland event-side of things, yes. Seemed pretty reasonable, given the $3M siphoned off to ETNZ for their own budget (design?) and the apparent f'up with another $3M to 'Hungary.' That's a lotta moolah!  Should have been spent on the event as had been intended.

If you are saying that calling GD out for that should destroy NZ's chances to host at home, well then good luck to you, I guess.. 

[Sailbydate 3,605]

Latest TV3 News has Dunphy saying he will not disclose who the financial backers are. GD says no deal unless donors are identifiable. I'll try and post a transcript.

Negotiations seem to be progressing well. ;-)

[Stingray~ 2,262]

27 minutes ago, Sailbydate said:

Latest TV3 News has Dunphy saying he will not disclose who the financial backers are. GD says no deal unless donors are identifiable. I'll try and post a transcript.

Negotiations seem to be progressing well. ;-)

Weird. Why should GD have to give a F about the finite details of where all the MD money is coming from? Just take it for crissakes, what the hell else is out there? Get that new AC75 into the works, let them take care of the number of spectator bathrooms..

 

[Gissie 1,755]

2 hours ago, Kate short for Bob said:

The Warriors too.

So show me some numbers. Especially for the Warriors.

 

[rh3000 1,883]

19 minutes ago, Stingray~ said:

Weird. Why should GD have to give a F about the finite details of where all the MD money is coming from? 

 

That for you is the weird part? Not the desire to have 'mystery' backers?

You continue to bemuse...

[Gissie 1,755]

4 minutes ago, rh3000 said:

That for you is the weird part? Not the desire to have 'mystery' backers?

You continue to bemuse...

Mystery backers would be better than no backers.

[Priscilla 2,803]

DunFay banging away on RNZ maintains loot is donations some from sources that won’t be disclosed.

 

 

[JALhazmat 1,612]

1 hour ago, Kate short for Bob said:

Really?  Wasn't it Dunphy that went to press saying Dalton needed to go?  How "overtly-incendiary" would you call that?

Also was Dunphys claim that the RNZYS had approved him as chief fund raiser correct or bluster?

It was GD that went to the press eluding to some kind of financial offer from parties yet to be disclosed and called it out as a tax dodge and a scam that he wanted nothing to do with 

 

THEN MD went and said GD could fuck off… AFTER GD had made him a cunt in the press. 

[enigmatically2 1,469]

3 hours ago, Priscilla said:

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/mark-dunphy-offers-short-term-funding-to-team-nz-as-part-of-talks-to-keep-cup-in-auckland/EZSIBXK7CB5FLZNKEDBF4453QA/

 

Do TNZ need short term funding? If so they are in worse straights than I had thought

[Forourselves 1,690]

14 minutes ago, enigmatically2 said:

Do TNZ need short term funding? If so they are in worse straights than I had thought

Sounds more like Dalts told him to put up or shut up.

[Forourselves 1,690]

1 hour ago, Gissie said:

Mystery backers would be better than no backers.

Id rather have no money than mystery money from mystery backers with a mystery plan.

[Priscilla 2,803]

17 minutes ago, enigmatically2 said:

Do TNZ need short term funding? If so they are in worse straights than I had thought

Did the “under-spend” get transferred to TNZ or swept away in the cutting black heat of the failed negotiations with Government.

“Cabinet has agreed to invest in the team from within existing budgets. It would be subject to a number of conditions, including an expectation the Cup will be defended in New Zealand,” Nash said.

“Although no request for support has yet been made, Team New Zealand has received government assistance following every America’s Cup since 2003. I anticipate a similar request will be made this year.

“$136.5 million was set aside in Budget 2018 for Cup-related infrastructure and activities and not all of that funding has been spent. Cabinet has agreed in principle to use that under-spend, should it be required, to keep the successful team together while it plans and regroups for AC37.

“The final details are still subject to negotiations, however it is likely to be a similar sum to that paid after AC35 in Bermuda in 2017, when $5 million went towards the team to help it prepare for AC36 this year,” Nash said.

[enigmatically2 1,469]

Just now, Forourselves said:

Id rather have no money than mystery money from mystery backers with a mystery plan.

Well I suppose teams have defended with the same boat. Not for about 50 years IIRC. But they can

[Forourselves 1,690]

2 hours ago, Stingray~ said:

Weird. Why should GD have to give a F about the finite details of where all the MD money is coming from? Just take it for crissakes, what the hell else is out there? Get that new AC75 into the works, let them take care of the number of spectator bathrooms..

 

Incase his team is implicated with tax evasion, and/ or fraud.

[Priscilla 2,803]

3 minutes ago, enigmatically2 said:

Well I suppose teams have defended with the same boat. Not for about 50 years IIRC. But they can

Not beyond the bounds of reality considering the design of the AC75.

[JALhazmat 1,612]

The knot tying and flip flopping  as people wrestle with their own ethics about what should GD do is fucking hilarious, thankfully,  due to the current shit show this will go on for many more weeks…  

 

[enigmatically2 1,469]

13 minutes ago, Priscilla said:

Not beyond the bounds of reality considering the design of the AC75.

No. It's not. They could decide to concentrate on sails, foils and systems.

Which makes me wonder how many foils GB have tank tested whilst this has been going on, before the restrictions are re-applied.

[Gissie 1,755]

21 minutes ago, Forourselves said:

Id rather have no money than mystery money from mystery backers with a mystery plan.

So you are happy for the team to have a crap, underfunded defense rather than talk to someone who has possible funds?

Bit of a difference from when you were happy for the team to whore the event out. A funded defence was better than one in Auckland with limited money, now is no funds are better than whoring it out to a mystery person.

[Forourselves 1,690]

Just now, Gissie said:

So you are happy for the team to have a crap, underfunded defense rather than talk to someone who has possible funds?

Bit of a difference from when you were happy for the team to whore the event out. A funded defence was better than one in Auckland with limited money, now is no funds are better than whoring it out to a mystery person.

 

No, I'm saying I'd rather they decline Dunphy's offer than open themselves up to tax evasion/ Fraud charges because they associate themselves with white collar crime.

[Forourselves 1,690]

2 minutes ago, Gissie said:

So you are happy for the team to have a crap, underfunded defense rather than talk to someone who has possible funds?

Bit of a difference from when you were happy for the team to whore the event out. A funded defence was better than one in Auckland with limited money, now is no funds are better than whoring it out to a mystery person.

I guess you're completely okay with the team potentially being caught up in fraud charges just to win the AC? 

[Priscilla 2,803]

From the village idiot.
“Id rather have no money than mystery money from mystery backers with a mystery plan.”

Pretty well sums up Lord Daltons triumvirate of anonymous but compelling contenders.

[Gissie 1,755]

19 minutes ago, Forourselves said:

 

No, I'm saying I'd rather they decline Dunphy's offer than open themselves up to tax evasion/ Fraud charges because they associate themselves with white collar crime.

Much better they take money from KSA.

Fuck I love this place.

[Forourselves 1,690]

14 minutes ago, Priscilla said:

From the village idiot.
“Id rather have no money than mystery money from mystery backers with a mystery plan.”

Pretty well sums up Lord Daltons triumvirate of anonymous but compelling contenders.

So if someone turned up on your doorstep with bags of cash and said "Don't ask questions" you'd just take it and say "That's fine with me"? Wait, you probably would.

[JALhazmat 1,612]

You told us they had a fuck ton of money after they turned down the Jacida cash anyway so what’s the issue? 

[Forourselves 1,690]

Oil and gas exploration company Greymouth Petroleum went from being a prosperous company to a dysfunctional one in less than 10 years, with the man blamed for the breakdown between directors forced to sell his stake, according to arguments heard in court.

But the Court of Appeal has labelled former chief operating officer John Sturgess' application to liquidate the company an attempt to "extort the highest amount" for his shareholding.

The High Court ruled last year that Sturgess must sell his 14 per cent stake in Greymouth Petroleum, one of Taranaki's most active oil and gas exploration businesses.

Sturgess had sought an order for the full sale of the company.

Chief executive Mark Dunphy held 52 per cent while Auckland investor Peter Masfen owned the remaining 34 per cent.

These two stood Sturgess down in February 2011, and he was accused of breaching his director's duties and leading Greymouth towards a potential crisis.

The High Court found Sturgess should take "primary responsibility" for destroying the trust essential to his working relationship with Dunphy and Masfen, ordering he sell his shares at fair market value.

But in an appeal today Sturgess sought a liquidation order for Greymouth, allowing for 30 days beforehand so the parties could negotiate on the exit price.

Sturgess was also broadly appealing findings made against him for breaches of reporting obligations and negligence.

His lawyer, Felix Geiringer, said today Sturgess' actions had been the "symptoms" rather than the "cause" of Greymouth's dysfunction.

Court of Appeal judges Justice Tony Randerson and Justice Forrest Miller, however, said the issue was now about remedy and liquidation would be "difficult" with "not a lot going for it".

Justice Miller said the essential argument was over what price would be paid for Sturgess' shares, with liquidation being a "nuclear option".

"He doesn't want the company wound up at all, what he wants is 30 days to extort the highest amount.

"But he is the wrongdoer.

"The reality is you're asking us to give them a very large club to beat them with."

Justice Randerson concurred, and said it was pretty obvious everyone would suffer from liquidation.

Sturgess had primary responsibility for what had happened between the shareholders, with each side undoubtedly wanting to end the relationship between them, he said.

"At the end of the day everyone agrees this company is disruptive.

"The real issue is how we're going to exit this company."

Justice Randerson said he could not imagine Sturgess would seriously want to liquidate the company, because it would ruin the value of the shares.

Furthermore, Dunphy and Masfen had more to lose, with a joint 86 per cent stake in the company.

The issue was whether Dunphy and Masfen decided they wanted Sturgess' shares, and if not, if he would then be free to sell them on the open market.

The value of Sturgess' shareholding was to be determined by arbitration next month.

Geiringer, however, said there was evidence a liquidation might increase the value of the company's shareholdings.

The case is expected to last about three days.

 

And this is why no one should take this fool seriously.

Plus, he's not exactly "Big money"

Valued at around $220 million.

[JALhazmat 1,612]

Ah I can see exactly why the dumfy offer is under such close consideration… 

 

so much consideration that the venue announcement has been delayed..Grant is either taking this fool seriously  (making a mockery of your pronouncement)  or he hasn’t got any other option. 
 

oh 220 mil? That’s more than ETNZ have got so don’t be too judgy;-) 

[dogwatch 1,311]

3 hours ago, Stingray~ said:

Weird. Why should GD have to give a F about the finite details of where all the MD money is coming from? 

You think it doesn't matter what stinky source money may be coming from?  Which is then combined with Kiwi taxpayer money? If so, that is more than a little naïve.

In the least happy period of my working career, I had enough of venture capitalist thieves to learn to count my fingers after they shook my hand. Behaviour that included treating payment of minimum-wage office cleaners as optional. Possibly you have been blessed to go through life without encountering such people.

[Zaal 694]

I'm pretty sure that the only offer is from Mr. Dunphy. I'm curious to see what "some longtime members of ETNZ" will say now to justify the fact that they are dealing with him after publicly calling him a fool, and calling his proposals "smoky financial maneuvers trying to evade taxes". Apparently they took some weeks to figure it out.

It's pretty clear that they were sure that the venue would be Cork, and dismissed Dunphy's offer from the start since GD couldn't act as Luis XIV with him. 

Again, I don't understand why GD keeps doing things that aren't parts of his job. He's one of the best in running an AC team, results speak for themselves, and that's what he should do: hire designers, hire the shore team, hire the sailors and make all this people work for the same goal. And of course make decisions, have the final word in all the key moments in 4 years of campaign. It's a lot of work. 

Running a sport event ? Not his job. Finding venues ? Not his job. Find sponsorships ? Maybe that's his job, but you can't search a sponsor if you don't even know where and when the event will be hold (pretty much the first two questions any brand would do). Knowing how to delegate is very difficult, but sometimes it is absolutely necessary

 

[Forourselves 1,690]

13 minutes ago, Zaal said:

I'm pretty sure that the only offer is from Mr. Dunphy. I'm curious to see what "some longtime members of ETNZ" will say now to justify the fact that they are dealing with him after publicly calling him a fool, and calling his proposals "smoky financial maneuvers trying to evade taxes". Apparently they took some weeks to figure it out.

It's pretty clear that they were sure that the venue would be Cork, and dismissed Dunphy's offer from the start since GD couldn't act as Luis XIV with him. 

Again, I don't understand why GD keeps doing things that aren't parts of his job. He's one of the best in running an AC team, results speak for themselves, and that's what he should do: hire designers, hire the shore team, hire the sailors and make all this people work for the same goal. And of course make decisions, have the final word in all the key moments in 4 years of campaign. It's a lot of work. 

Running a sport event ? Not his job. Finding venues ? Not his job. Find sponsorships ? Maybe that's his job, but you can't search a sponsor if you don't even know where and when the event will be hold (pretty much the first two questions any brand would do). Knowing how to delegate is very difficult, but sometimes it is absolutely necessary

 

Apparently you haven't read the DoG.

[dogwatch 1,311]

13 minutes ago, Zaal said:

Again, I don't understand why GD keeps doing things that aren't parts of his job.

You are mistaken on the scope of his job. He is co-director and a shareholder of TNZ. Also, trained as an accountant. Financials are central to what he does. 

[enigmatically2 1,469]

1 hour ago, Forourselves said:

 

And this is why no one should take this fool seriously.

Plus, he's not exactly "Big money"

Valued at around $220 million.

Why does anything about that court case say you shouldn't take him seriously? That summary makes it clear that he was blameless, it was Sturgess at fault in the court's view.

As to not being "big money", as far as I can see NZ has 2 billionaires. So you are probably going to have to deal with paupers worth only $100millions. Who probably has contacts to all the others of similar wealth in NZ

[Zaal 694]

14 minutes ago, Forourselves said:

Apparently you haven't read the DoG.

Uhm.. interesting, why the DoG ?

[Forourselves 1,690]

2 minutes ago, Zaal said:

Uhm.. interesting, why the DoG ?

Because it clearly states the rules and responsibilities of C and D.

[Gissie 1,755]

38 minutes ago, enigmatically2 said:

Why does anything about that court case say you shouldn't take him seriously? That summary makes it clear that he was blameless, it was Sturgess at fault in the court's view.

As to not being "big money", as far as I can see NZ has 2 billionaires. So you are probably going to have to deal with paupers worth only $100millions. Who probably has contacts to all the others of similar wealth in NZ

Well he is certainly coming up with more possible money than the forever hanging on billionaire de Nora.

[accnick 1,737]

3 hours ago, Forourselves said:

I guess you're completely okay with the team potentially being caught up in fraud charges just to win the AC? 

I thought you said winning is the only thing that matters. 

[enigmatically2 1,469]

1 minute ago, accnick said:

I thought you said winning is the only thing that matters. 

He did say he only cared if they were caught. In which case they would be DSQ so wouldn't win. So I think he is happy with cheating per se.

[terrafirma 1,339]

Extension to the decision.? Last minute NZ bid..? Sounds precarious to me.! 

[veritas 32]

It is, and always has been unquantifiable. 

 

[enigmatically2 1,469]

Is there any definitive date it has been extended to? The official release on AC website doesn't seem to mention one. 

I hope he isn't proposing to wait until Covid rules allow home to visit the other countries, that would be ironic given the use of the NZ covid uncertainty as an excuse for looking at foreign bids in the first place

[dogwatch 1,311]

38 minutes ago, enigmatically2 said:

Is there any definitive date it has been extended to? 

Don't believe so.

[Liquid 645]

18 hours ago, mako23 said:

The best foot forward is a low cost AC. 

Nope!

 

[Forourselves 1,690]

5 hours ago, enigmatically2 said:

Is there any definitive date it has been extended to? The official release on AC website doesn't seem to mention one. 

I hope he isn't proposing to wait until Covid rules allow home to visit the other countries, that would be ironic given the use of the NZ covid uncertainty as an excuse for looking at foreign bids in the first place

How so? No one is allowed in or out of Auckland unless for absolutely essential business. The AC isn’t absolutely essential. Pretty tough to close a multi million dollar deal over FB live.

[Forourselves 1,690]

7 hours ago, accnick said:

I thought you said winning is the only thing that matters. 

It is. 

[Forourselves 1,690]

7 hours ago, enigmatically2 said:

He did say he only cared if they were caught. In which case they would be DSQ so wouldn't win. So I think he is happy with cheating per se.

You’d better ask Jimmy about that. After all, it was his team that was caught cheating.

[accnick 1,737]

14 minutes ago, Forourselves said:

You’d better ask Jimmy about that. After all, it was his team that was caught cheating.

Caught cheating in the ACWS, and they got punished for it. Had to win 11 races to defend the Cup, instead of nine.

And they did.

[yoyo 246]

The press release excuse for the delay regarding face to face meetings is PR spin BS.  Businesses across the world utilized zoom/teams/whatever to close deals during the pandemic. 

   

  

[Gissie 1,755]

1 hour ago, yoyo said:

The press release excuse for the delay regarding face to face meetings is PR spin BS.  Businesses across the world utilized zoom/teams/whatever to close deals during the pandemic. 

   

  

Maybe, but none were as big as this...

[enigmatically2 1,469]

3 hours ago, Forourselves said:

How so? No one is allowed in or out of Auckland unless for absolutely essential business. The AC isn’t absolutely essential. Pretty tough to close a multi million dollar deal over FB live.

So according to you and GD he wanted to go to offshore venues because he thought that in 3 years time there might be NZ travel restrictions. But he set a timescale for deciding without considering there might be restrictions in a few months time?

And they managed to visit Ireland but can't visit now?

And everyone else has done business deals as big and bigger than this remotely but they can't.

And they managed to get hundreds of MIQs for the AC, but can't get a couple to set up the deal?

 

I've heard better  and more credible excuses from my kids. When they were 4

[chesirecat 713]

Latest location revealed

[Stingray~ 2,262]

8 minutes ago, chesirecat said:

Latest location revealed

Is that the swimming pool in Dunphy's back yard?

 

[NeedAClew 1,786]

Did the SGP NZ team escape NZ before lockdowns? In any case, they are out livin in the free world. F2F with them and Dalts on Zoom wouldn't work? Or doesn't Dalts use crypto?

[Stingray~ 2,262]

49 minutes ago, NeedAClew said:

Did the SGP NZ team escape NZ before lockdowns? In any case, they are out livin in the free world. F2F with them and Dalts on Zoom wouldn't work? Or doesn't Dalts use crypto?

They have had folks from the 'Origin Sports Group' on the ground there too.. The delay has nothing to do with any of that, they simply have no signed-off offers on the table yet - despite starting the process at least 9 months ago. The excuse that they held off for 3 months while negotiating with NZ also makes little sense. OSG and Cork and anyone else were not frozen in time by any of that.

If there had been any real impetus behind the Cork attempt, well they would have solved it by now and I doubt that (and since they asked for 6 months more time) that even the extra 6-8 weeks given will change any of that.  

[Zaal 694]

 

Just stumbled in this video, and I can't keep myself thinking about GD selling the 37 AC like him. 

"If you like fast boats, adrenaline, and a 500 million $ ROI, I can promise you, your city will be the place everyone wants to stop. You don't have to buy one big AC75 if you want to be part of a world famous regatta, just an AC40, and you can sit down next to sailors that you never experienced anywhere in the world. Yep, you heard me right, you can sit on the patio right next to real live AC75s, and have some of the best pre start duels, and that's a GD promise"  

[rh3000 1,883]

2 hours ago, NeedAClew said:

Did the SGP NZ team escape NZ before lockdowns? In any case, they are out livin in the free world. F2F with them and Dalts on Zoom wouldn't work? Or doesn't Dalts use crypto?

No NZ lockdowns stop you leaving NZ... They can come back too, with a 14 day MIQ stint which has no bearing on level of lockdown.

We're freer than you think...

[NeedAClew 1,786]

3 minutes ago, rh3000 said:

No NZ lockdowns stop you leaving NZ... They can come back too, with a 14 day MIQ stint which has no bearing on level of lockdown.

We're freer than you think...

But...but...but...didn't GD say the negotiations had to be extended because the proper folk couldn't go face to face with the venue negotiators?

[NeedAClew 1,786]

6 hours ago, Forourselves said:

How so? No one is allowed in or out of Auckland unless for absolutely essential business. The AC isn’t absolutely essential. Pretty tough to close a multi million dollar deal over FB live.

Hey @rh3000 go yell at this guy for making NZ sound unfree.

[rh3000 1,883]

3 minutes ago, NeedAClew said:

But...but...but...didn't GD say the negotiations had to be extended because the proper folk couldn't go face to face with the venue negotiators?

Yes. Do you believe him? Have you tried booking international flights that leapfrogs across continents in short order ATM? Things might be logistically more challenging than previously.

[bigrpowr 268]

Just now, rh3000 said:

Yes. Do you believe him? Have you tried booking international flights that leapfrogs across continents in short order ATM? Things might be logistically more challenging than previously.

are you disagreeing with your twin? cat fight?

[rh3000 1,883]

7 minutes ago, bigrpowr said:

is freer a word?

Absolutely

[NeedAClew 1,786]

I see flights from Auckland to San Francisco. From there the world's your oyster. You can go to Spain, Ireland from US. Oh wait, is Grant not vaccinated?

KSA needs a visa.  Did they not give him one? 

[rh3000 1,883]

12 minutes ago, NeedAClew said:

I see flights from Auckland to San Francisco. From there the world's your oyster. You can go to Spain, Ireland from US. Oh wait, is Grant not vaccinated?

KSA needs a visa.  Did they not give him one? 

Why would he take such an unpleasant route?