The AC 37 has started, news and rumours

[Forourselves 1,691]

Just now, sunseeker said:

The Defender as underdog, that's a new one.

Truth is, I don't hate Dalton.  I have a healthy respect for his sailing talent and ability to raise money. Probably the best ever in the sport in terms of sponsorship, unless you count Russell for getting Bertarelli and then, especially, Ellison to fund him.

What I find pathetic though is creating an event he knows he can't afford, and then crying poor. He just wrecked his lifelong legacy.

 

Winning never wrecks your legacy. Losing does

[floater 695]

3 minutes ago, sunseeker said:

What I find pathetic though is creating an event he knows he can't afford, and then crying poor. He just wrecked his lifelong legacy.

exactly. I was thinking a cool AC would have been to let B&T design their dream scaled-up 49er. Then let the world come and try to take it off them. What a terrific sailboat race that would be.

[Gissie 1,757]

20 minutes ago, Forourselves said:

Ah the mythical 99 mil.

Notice the country STILL isn't open.

MIQ is STILL operational.

The way this Government is going, the borders may still be closed in 2024.

Nothing mythical about the 99 mill. Apart from you seeming to think that all the goods and services should have been just given for free. 

What they should have done is offer the whole amount in cash, then charged standard commercial rates for everything. But then you would have botched about how unfair is is that a 'national' team does get a free base. Not that any of the real national teams do, but in your little world it should happen for the team.

As for the borders still being closed in 2024,hard to even discuss such an ignorant statement. Then again, it is par for the course with you. Ignorance and blind support all the way. Must be a real credit to your mum.

[Forourselves 1,691]

2 minutes ago, Gissie said:

Nothing mythical about the 99 mill. Apart from you seeming to think that all the goods and services should have been just given for free. 

What they should have done is offer the whole amount in cash, then charged standard commercial rates for everything. But then you would have botched about how unfair is is that a 'national' team does get a free base. Not that any of the real national teams do, but in your little world it should happen for the team.

As for the borders still being closed in 2024,hard to even discuss such an ignorant statement. Then again, it is par for the course with you. Ignorance and blind support all the way. Must be a real credit to your mum.

99 mil is nothing but myth. Its not real. But neither is the little fairy wonderland you lkive in, so not surprising at all.

They offered 30 mil "apparently". 

In 2020 people said the borders would be open by 2022. They were wrong. You say the borders will be open  by 2024, you may be right, or you may be wrong, get it? No one knows, including the Government, how "Open" the borders will be.

As opposed to you, who's a whining, bitching, moaning, jealous little prick that thinks the sky is falling.

Seems your Mum "accidentally" dropped you on your stupid little head.

[Gissie 1,757]

1 minute ago, Forourselves said:

99 mil is nothing but myth. Its not real. But neither is the little fairy wonderland you lkive in, so not surprising at all.

They offered 30 mil "apparently". 

In 2020 people said the borders would be open by 2022. They were wrong. You say the borders will be open  by 2024, you may be right, or you may be wrong, get it? No one knows, including the Government, how "Open" the borders will be.

As opposed to you, who's a whining, bitching, moaning, jealous little prick that thinks the sky is falling.

Seems your Mum "accidentally" dropped you on your stupid little head.

Your memory seems to be as good as your cognitive functions. The offer was 45 in cash with the rest in goods and services.

It would appear you think all the freebies has zero value when talking sponsorship. Which just goes to show how ignorant you are.

I don't think the sky is falling, just would appreciate it if the team would hurry up and pack their bags. They need to follow through and piss off. They are no longer of any value to NZ and if they had any dignity they would vacate the base in the viaduct. After all, according to you, it has no value and so would cost them nothing.

As for being dropped by my mum, maybe. However your mum didn't need to drop you, she realised from the start there was nothing inside your head to damage. Something you prove to us all here whenever you post something.

[Forourselves 1,691]

1 minute ago, Gissie said:

Your memory seems to be as good as your cognitive functions. The offer was 45 in cash with the rest in goods and services.

It would appear you think all the freebies has zero value when talking sponsorship. Which just goes to show how ignorant you are.

I don't think the sky is falling, just would appreciate it if the team would hurry up and pack their bags. They need to follow through and piss off. They are no longer of any value to NZ and if they had any dignity they would vacate the base in the viaduct. After all, according to you, it has no value and so would cost them nothing.

As for being dropped by my mum, maybe. However your mum didn't need to drop you, she realised from the start there was nothing inside your head to damage. Something you prove to us all here whenever you post something.

Even 45 is nothing. 45 would see the team get absolutely destroyed. If it actually existed. Link?

"Freebies"? And you call me ignorant! Nothing in this world is free.

The Team should stay exactly where they are, especially given the success and contributions they have provided Kiwi's and all they have achieved, providing a perfect platform to advertise NZ's innovation and excellence on the world stage.

As for being dropped on your head, there's no maybe about it. It definitely happened. 

Lol, what does that say about you, when someone who has nothing in his head knows more about what he's talking about than you do? lol

 

 

 

[Gissie 1,757]

4 minutes ago, Forourselves said:

Even 45 is nothing. 45 would see the team get absolutely destroyed. If it actually existed. Link?

"Freebies"? And you call me ignorant! Nothing in this world is free.

The Team should stay exactly where they are, especially given the success and contributions they have provided Kiwi's and all they have achieved, providing a perfect platform to advertise NZ's innovation and excellence on the world stage.

As for being dropped on your head, there's no maybe about it. It definitely happened. 

Lol, what does that say about you, when someone who has nothing in his head knows more about what he's talking about than you do? lol

You put no value on the goods and services that were on offer, so you must consider they are just deserved freebies.

The 45 was plenty for what the taxpayer had been asked for in previous years, help to run the event. The fact is, the team had no way to fund itself via sponsors any more. They needed some venue to front up with all the team costs, stated as a minimum of 200 Mill at the time. Somehow this, according to your eminence, has dropped to 120 as the team found 80 down the back of the couch.

Now you think they should be allowed to squat in premises that they don't own. All because they used to pretend they cared. They are a business, as you often point out. If you can't afford your HQ move out. Why should the Auckland rate payer subsidise one business over another. Lots of businesses have made money for NZ, should they all get free places. No, businesses come and go. They need to adapt or die. The team needs to adapt and go, the sooner the better.

As for you knowing more than anyone else here? Yes, in the twisted, little, mum's basement of a mind you have, of course. You are the king in your own world of one.

Sweet dreams little man.

[JALhazmat 1,614]

1 hour ago, Forourselves said:

Winning never wrecks your legacy. Losing does

The stain of San Fran… no mater what has happened after he was a loser that put himself on the boat at the expense  of others and the team suffered. 
 

He clearly wasn’t capable of offering the correct feedback to develop a fast enough boat and his ego cost the team in San Francisco his legacy will always be that of a loser (it’s on his record)

He hasn’t actually won the Americas cup since then  when he’s been on the boat that tells you everything 

4 facts.. ;-) 

[sunseeker 457]

5 minutes ago, JALhazmat said:

The stain of San Fran… no mater what has happened after he was a loser that put himself on the boat at the expense  of others and the team suffered. 
 

He clearly wasn’t capable of offering the correct feedback to develop a fast enough boat and his ego cost the team in San Francisco his legacy will always be that of a loser (it’s on his record)

He hasn’t actually won the Americas cup when he’s been on the boat that tells you everything 

4 facts.. ;-) 

And there was also the fact he was fucking the girlfriend of a guy on the team and he spent about $500k for a victory party that never happened.

 

 

[enigmatically2 1,475]

1 hour ago, Forourselves said:

Providing a perfect platform to advertise NZ's innovation and excellence on the world stage

Really? You just don't get how utterly invisible this competition is in most of the world. 99.9% of UK couldnt tell you who current holder of AC is. Probably 95% couldnt even tell you what sport it was for

[E2nO 9]

Seems that Chobani Sailor read it right in the first place:

https://www.sail-world.com/news/245322/NYYC-announce-Americas-Cup-entry-intentions

[Stingray~ 2,266]

27 minutes ago, enigmatically2 said:

Really? You just don't get how utterly invisible this competition is in most of the world. 99.9% of UK couldnt tell you who current holder of AC is. Probably 95% couldnt even tell you what sport it was for

Unfortunately for GD, most of Ireland probably gives absolutely not one f*cking thought about it either. NZ is where the only real audience for ETNZ is.

[Stingray~ 2,266]

7 minutes ago, E2nO said:

Seems that Chobani Sailor read it right in the first place:

https://www.sail-world.com/news/245322/NYYC-announce-Americas-Cup-entry-intentions

yes. from there

It is well-known that American Magic holds strong reservations about competing in Jeddah, if it is named as venue. For this reason it is unlikely that a challenge by New York Yacht Club will be lodged until after the Venue for the 37th America's Cup is named - on or before March 31, 2022.

[JALhazmat 1,614]

1 hour ago, sunseeker said:

And there was also the fact he was fucking the girlfriend of a guy on the team and he spent about $500k for a victory party that never happened.

 

 

Promoting team harmony… ;-)

[Stingray~ 2,266]

24 minutes ago, Stingray~ said:

it is unlikely that a challenge by New York Yacht Club will be lodged until after the Venue for the 37th America's Cup is named - on or before March 31, 2022.

I can think of other reasons for why AM may delay handing over the entry cash, including for if the dates get extended past '24. If the venue is the SH then time is running really short already; it is even for in the NH, CSS taken into account.

A bunch of stuff in the Prot can apparently be changed without Chall-vote democratic consent for a good while yet.

[JonRowe 960]

3 minutes ago, Stingray~ said:

A bunch of stuff in the Prot can apparently be changed without Chall-vote democratic consent for a good while yet.

Surely NYYC isn't complaing about that, after all only the Defender and Challenger (of Record) get to make the rules, anything else wouldn't be deed compliant

[Stingray~ 2,266]

12 minutes ago, JonRowe said:

Surely NYYC isn't complaing about that, after all only the Defender and Challenger (of Record) get to make the rules, anything else wouldn't be deed compliant

Am not suggesting they are complaining, moreso that they may be cautious about potential and unexpected changes for AC37. Hopefully Ineos will hold GD firm to the year and to other big factors but who knows? 

Collective Challenger power has varied in AC's. Prada were 'dictators' along with ETNZ in AC36 and Ineos appears to have the same power for AC37, but that was not the norm in several preceding AC's.  

[Forourselves 1,691]

1 hour ago, Stingray~ said:

yes. from there

It is well-known that American Magic holds strong reservations about competing in Jeddah, if it is named as venue. For this reason it is unlikely that a challenge by New York Yacht Club will be lodged until after the Venue for the 37th America's Cup is named - on or before March 31, 2022.

But it will be lodged. They've already committed to the event. Where it is held is irrelevant. They will challenge, reservations or no reservations. Thats what they've said.

[Stingray~ 2,266]

Nice!

from MW at Magic News – Rule69.blog

But the big news for me is that the New York Yacht Club confirming their support for American Magic snuffs out any fanciful chance of Jeddah or anywhere else in Saudi Arabia being the host venue. That’s it, that ship has sailed as was told to me vociferously quite recently.

[Stingray~ 2,266]

So... the status quo remains that the only money on offer is all in Home-Defence Auckland.

[Fiji Bitter 1,973]

Just now, Stingray~ said:

So... the status quo remains that the only money on offer is all in Home-Defence Auckland.

Exactly, even I have offered Home Defence my full support and 2 cents worth of advise. Guess what that advise was.

And Stinkray, thank you so much for all your recent insights, you are truly amazing, whatever that means. Maybe try your new shiny guitar sometime.

 

[Gissie 1,757]

2 hours ago, Stingray~ said:

If the venue is the SH then time is running really short already;

The SH is totally out. NZ taxpayer won't shovel any more into them, there is no other country in the SH that would pay more than 10c for the event.

So NH it is.

[dogwatch 1,314]

10 hours ago, Stingray~ said:

Unfortunately for GD, most of Ireland probably gives absolutely not one f*cking thought about it either. NZ is where the only real audience for ETNZ is.

And, it seems, Italy. 

[dogwatch 1,314]

11 hours ago, enigmatically2 said:

Really? You just don't get how utterly invisible this competition is in most of the world. 99.9% of UK couldnt tell you who current holder of AC is. Probably 95% couldnt even tell you what sport it was for

The statistics nerd in me considers your numbers exaggerated, however I agree with your conclusion. I don't recall having a conversation about the AC in my sailing club any time post AC32. Practically nobody cares. Olympic sailing attracts much more interest here: from sailors, the mainstream media and, as far as I can tell, the general public. 

[NeedAClew 1,786]

Half my "America's Cup" news feed is about soccer.

[shebeen 470]

On 1/8/2022 at 7:46 AM, Forourselves said:

 

The AC75 is not too dangerous or expensive, as the haters said it was, and by collective agreement by all teams, is the first class since the IACC to see continuity. There has been 3 classes introduced to the AC since the IACC, none of which saw more than one cycle, one that didn't even see one cycle.

So all those arguments are debunked. They said the AC75 would only see one cycle because it is too expensive

 

 

That argument doesn't strengthen your position (whatever it is). The DoG match was always once off designs.

The foiling AC72 was scaled down to AC50. In the fleet of od F50 they get more competitive sailing miles than anything else post AC.

 

In the IACC era you could use a boat for multiple cup cycles. Here a V1 AC75 can be bought and trained on for just 25 days. Hardly an example of class longevity (or affordability).

[floater 695]

are you saying that just because you can build an exotic (and radically impractical) 70' foiling monster that requires jet-pilot like skills to sail - it doesn't mean you should?

[floater 695]

6 hours ago, dogwatch said:

I don't recall having a conversation about the AC in my sailing club any time post AC32. Practically nobody cares. Olympic sailing attracts much more interest here: from sailors, the mainstream media and, as far as I can tell, the general public. 

perhaps because the Olympics clearly has the best sailors. It's unclear whether the AC now has the best sailors - or are they even sailors at all?

[cbulger 164]

Or perhaps, the reason that no one at the Club is talking about the current AC is the fact that the event has moved forward into a new era, while American clubs are aging and failing to attract the next generation.  Not many folks in the barn worried about those new fangled automobiles either.

Having said that - it is wonderful to see Danielle Moroz poised to return the US to Olympic Yachting glory - she is truly a World Class sailor.

[Rennmaus 3,063]

49 minutes ago, cbulger said:

Or perhaps, the reason that no one at the Club is talking about the current AC is the fact that the event has moved forward into a new era, while American clubs are aging and failing to attract the next generation.  Not many folks in the barn worried about those new fangled automobiles either.

Having said that - it is wonderful to see Danielle Moroz poised to return the US to Olympic Yachting glory - she is truly a World Class sailor.

In my motorsport clubs we talk about F1, WRC, even NASCAR, Indy, all kinds of motorsports, even if we drive so much different cars in our national grass-roots competitions. 

The AC is simply not interesting anymore for non-nerds outside of NZ. 

[cbulger 164]

Well.... congrats on embracing the automobile - very forward thinking.

[dogwatch 1,314]

I see. Do you know who Rennie is? If not, you might like to find out.

[Forourselves 1,691]

On 1/10/2022 at 6:59 AM, Rennmaus said:

In my motorsport clubs we talk about F1, WRC, even NASCAR, Indy, all kinds of motorsports, even if we drive so much different cars in our national grass-roots competitions. 

The AC is simply not interesting anymore for non-nerds outside of NZ. 

And Italy.

[Gissie 1,757]

36 minutes ago, Forourselves said:

And Italy.

Been to Italy? Easier to find a rugby fan than an AC fan.

[Xlot 1,162]

5 hours ago, Gissie said:

Been to Italy? Easier to find a rugby fan than an AC fan.

 Beg to differ. Rugby doesn’t make the front page, as LR regularly does

[Forourselves 1,691]

10 hours ago, Gissie said:

Been to Italy? Easier to find a rugby fan than an AC fan.

As usual, wrong again.

[Gissie 1,757]

5 hours ago, Xlot said:

 Beg to differ. Rugby doesn’t make the front page, as LR regularly does

Fair enough. From personal experience, when people find I am a Kiwi they will mention rugby far more often than sailing and the AC.

Not that they mention rugby that often.

Was once taken to a bar where they refuse to show football, but have ever rugby game on.

[JALhazmat 1,614]

7 hours ago, Xlot said:

 Beg to differ. Rugby doesn’t make the front page, as LR regularly does

Regularly? 
 

front page news each moth during the gap between San Fran and Auckland? 
 

and since ac 36, there has been barely a peep from them in the specialist press or did they get front page billing to announce the shiney  book of photos? 

it’s marginal at best what’s more popular but at least you can get 20,000 people to European match or 40-80k during a six nations. 
 

but a once every fuck knows sailing event gets more eyes on a regular basis?haha! 

[JALhazmat 1,614]

2 hours ago, Forourselves said:

As usual, wrong again.

Nope. You even know where Europe is? 
 

or are you going to claim some long winded cultural tie that makes you Italian/Pacifica/kiwi Māori and therefore a world expert 

[Xlot 1,162]

1 hour ago, Gissie said:

Fair enough. From personal experience, when people find I am a Kiwi they will mention rugby far more often than sailing and the AC.

That’s different: Kiwis=All Blacks=haka everywhere

In Italy, AC=LR at any time in the night

 

[Xlot 1,162]

31 minutes ago, JALhazmat said:

Regularly? 
 

front page news each moth during the gap between San Fran and Auckland? 

Sigh. I obviously meant whenever there are significant LR news, they most often make the front page

[JALhazmat 1,614]

Yup really regular then.. 

[Forourselves 1,691]

2 hours ago, JALhazmat said:

Nope. You even know where Europe is? 
 

or are you going to claim some long winded cultural tie that makes you Italian/Pacifica/kiwi Māori and therefore a world expert 

Yep. but you still won’t admit it lol

haters gon hate.

[Gissie 1,757]

4 hours ago, Xlot said:

That’s different: Kiwis=All Blacks=haka everywhere

In Italy, AC=LR at any time in the night

 

Fair call X. 

Pleased to say they have a new fan in me. Always liked them, but with the ‘NZ’ team moving away I need a new team to support and LR it is. 

[Varan 2,134]

6 hours ago, JALhazmat said:

Nope. You even know where Europe is? 
...

Gosh, everybody knows it is a moon of Jupiter. 

[Forourselves 1,691]

9 hours ago, JALhazmat said:

Nope. You even know where Europe is? 
 

or are you going to claim some long winded cultural tie that makes you Italian/Pacifica/kiwi Māori and therefore a world expert 

Yep, I know where Europe is. But why does that matter? the UK isn't part of it, so carry on. 

[Sailbydate 3,606]

3 hours ago, Forourselves said:

Yep, I know where Europe is. But why does that matter? the UK isn't part of it, so carry on. 

Have the bastards moved it? Not down under I hope.

[JonRowe 960]

20 minutes ago, Sailbydate said:

Have the bastards moved it? Not down under I hope.

We're adrift

[Jethrow 409]

20 minutes ago, Sailbydate said:

Have the bastards moved it? Not down under I hope.

Here you go SBD, a little light reading!

https://forums.sailinganarchy.com/index.php?/topic/211596-brexit-wtf-wtf/

[JonRowe 960]

I'm still waiting for Boris to claim that they've discovered a new continental plate, terra-ex-soverentyius and thus we truely have left Europe and not just the European Union.

[Fiji Bitter 1,973]

52 minutes ago, JonRowe said:

I'm still waiting for Boris to claim that they've discovered a new continental plate, terra-ex-soverentyius and thus we truely have left Europe and not just the European Union

You might have to wait till the trolley is checked or rather chucked out thanks to his old mate cummings, with the support of his own party.

Quote: "Since leaving office, Cummings has been a thorn in the side of the prime minister, repeatedly referring to him as a “trolley” on account of him veering around and changing direction when it comes to making decisions."

[JALhazmat 1,614]

5 hours ago, Forourselves said:

Yep, I know where Europe is. But why does that matter? the UK isn't part of it, so carry on. 

you ignorant fuck, 

has the UK magically moved continent/ geographic location?

 

the difference is NOT PART of the European Union / not part of EUROPE

[JALhazmat 1,614]

12 hours ago, Forourselves said:

Yep. but you still won’t admit it lol

haters gon hate.

admit what? you have replied to something with a question that had nothing to do with what you quoted.

 

[JonRowe 960]

1 hour ago, Fiji Bitter said:

Quote: "Since leaving office, Cummings has been a thorn in the side of the prime minister, repeatedly referring to him as a “trolley” on account of him veering around and changing direction when it comes to making decisions."

I always assumed he just meant he was off his trolley

[Fiji Bitter 1,973]

Just now, JonRowe said:

I always assumed he just meant he was off his trolley

For those trolleys you've come here in the right place. Trolls too.

[dogwatch 1,314]

27 minutes ago, JonRowe said:

I always assumed he just meant he was off his trolley

Cummings words were:

“No one could find a way around the problem of the Prime Minister [being] just like a shopping trolley smashing from one side of the aisle to the other.”

A pleasing metaphor.

[shebeen 470]

fork and hell.

 

The drift on all the AC threads is insane. I know this is anarchy, but the topic titles might as well be random colours compared to the content in them.

[enigmatically2 1,475]

5 hours ago, JonRowe said:

I'm still waiting for Boris to claim that they've discovered a new continental plate, terra-ex-soverentyius and thus we truely have left Europe and not just the European Union.

Boris could have said: Well we are moving westwards to try and get away from Europe (at 10mm per year). But Europe are coming with us which demonstrates that they need and want us more than we need them

[dogwatch 1,314]

2 hours ago, shebeen said:

The drift on all the AC threads is insane. I know this is anarchy, but the topic titles might as well be random colours compared to the content in them.

It's self-adjusting. If there were any AC news, we'd talk about that. In the nicest way, if you don't want to read random bollocks, come back once we have a venue. I've been considering doing that myself.

[Forourselves 1,691]

6 hours ago, JALhazmat said:

you ignorant fuck, 

has the UK magically moved continent/ geographic location?

 

the difference is NOT PART of the European Union / not part of EUROPE

The UK is an Island nation, it is not part of Continental Europe (Geographically) or the European Union (Politically).

It is made up of England, Scotland and Wales.

Though people consider it part of Europe, Geographically and politically it is a sovereign nation, separate from mainland Europe.

 

[accnick 1,741]

9 minutes ago, Forourselves said:

The UK is an Island nation, it is not part of Continental Europe (Geographically) or the European Union (Politically).

It is made up of England, Scotland and Wales.

Though people consider it part of Europe, Geographically and politically it is a sovereign nation, separate from mainland Europe.

 

The last time I looked, Europe was not a nation.

Are you saying that other islands in that geographic area, say, for example, Sicily, Corsica, and Sardinia, are not part of Europe?

And, by the way, you sort of forgot about Northern Ireland in enumerating what the components of the UK are.

[JALhazmat 1,614]

@4

idiot...

 

what did the Irish do to you or don't they count in your selective geopolitical nonsense

 

[Sailbydate 3,606]

10 hours ago, Jethrow said:

Here you go SBD, a little light reading!

https://forums.sailinganarchy.com/index.php?/topic/211596-brexit-wtf-wtf/

Ha, Yeah. Thanks for the heads-up, but I've seen all that shit. 

I don't think moving out of a woke, parliament shit-show is quite the same thing as moving a whole Island though is it?!!

I could be wrong of course. Wouildn't be the first time - or the last. ;-)

[Sailbydate 3,606]

2 hours ago, dogwatch said:

It's self-adjusting. If there were any AC news, we'd talk about that. In the nicest way, if you don't want to read random bollocks, come back once we have a venue. I've been considering doing that myself.

Also, if we didn't encourage random thread drift, we'd have fuck all reason to exchange digits with one another.

No wait....

[Rennmaus 3,063]

6 minutes ago, Sailbydate said:

Ha, Yeah. Thanks for the heads-up, but I've seen all that shit. 

I don't think moving out of a woke, parliament shit-show is quite the same thing as moving a whole Island though is it?!!

I could be wrong of course. Wouildn't be the first time - or the last. ;-)

The EU and woke? Haaaaaahaha haha hahahahaaaaaaaaaa ha!

[Forourselves 1,691]

6 hours ago, accnick said:

The last time I looked, Europe was not a nation.

Are you saying that other islands in that geographic area, say, for example, Sicily, Corsica, and Sardinia, are not part of Europe?

And, by the way, you sort of forgot about Northern Ireland in enumerating what the components of the UK are.

You’re right, Europe isn’t a nation. It’s a continent (hence continental Europe)

The UK is a nation. It’s own sovereign nation.  
No, I’m not saying that at all. Sicily is politically linked to Italy. I’m saying the UK is not part of Europe, geographically or politically. And yes, I did miss out Northern Ireland. My apologies. 

[accnick 1,741]

37 minutes ago, Forourselves said:

You’re right, Europe isn’t a nation. It’s a continent (hence continental Europe)

The UK is a nation. It’s own sovereign nation.  
No, I’m not saying that at all. Sicily is politically linked to Italy. I’m saying the UK is not part of Europe, geographically or politically. And yes, I did miss out Northern Ireland. My apologies. 

Europe is a geographic region, not just a contiguous continental landmass. It includes political entities that are not part of the European Union, such as Russia. The British isles are part of the geographic region of Europe, which includes islands as well as the continental landmass.

By the same token, the islands of Singapore, Malaysia, the Philippines, and Japan are part of the geographical region called Asia.

This should not be that hard for you to grasp.

I'm not sure where the two islands of East Australia fit into the grand geopolitical scheme, but I'm sure you will enlighten us.

[estarzinger 888]

21 minutes ago, accnick said:

I'm not sure where the two islands of East Australia fit into the grand geopolitical scheme, but I'm sure you will enlighten us.

four islands  because Tasi and Stewart also have clearly distinct identities

 

and when the Chinese get around to extending the dash 9 line in about 25 years (or sooner) . . . those will definately all be within the Chinese sphere of influence.

[accnick 1,741]

Just now, estarzinger said:

four islands  because Tasi and Stewart also have clearly distinct identities

Fair enough, but I was thinking of the two islands a bit further east known as the Land of the long White Cloud.

[estarzinger 888]

3 minutes ago, accnick said:

Fair enough, but I was thinking of the two islands a bit further east known as the Land of the long White Cloud.

yea, I understand that . .  . and Stewart is just below those two.

They are all certainly to be placed in the Chinese sphere of influence, despite the big island just recently buying several $B of US heavy tanks (which will be utterly useless).

[pusslicker 664]

8 hours ago, Forourselves said:

The UK is an Island nation, it is not part of Continental Europe (Geographically) or the European Union (Politically).

It is made up of England, Scotland and Wales.

Though people consider it part of Europe, Geographically and politically it is a sovereign nation, separate from mainland Europe.

 

You could argue it's on the same plate as the continent, so a bit of water in between is nothing. Culturally the are quite similar as well.

[Forourselves 1,691]

And it’s happened again. The summer concert tour has now been cancelled due to border restrictions and MIQ. The tour had a lineup of international artists who ultimately decided they didn’t want to spend 10 days in quarantine.The tour was projected to gain millions of dollars of revenue, all lost due to this Governments strict border control measures. Now you all know why Dalton is doing what he is doing. Not out of greed or turning his back, but because border control measures do not allow international events to take place.

[NeedAClew 1,786]

Maybe you could get Joker Mole to do an exhibition tour. He's automatically  exempt from border control.

[Forourselves 1,691]

2 hours ago, accnick said:

Europe is a geographic region, not just a contiguous continental landmass. It includes political entities that are not part of the European Union, such as Russia. The British isles are part of the geographic region of Europe, which includes islands as well as the continental landmass.

By the same token, the islands of Singapore, Malaysia, the Philippines, and Japan are part of the geographical region called Asia.

This should not be that hard for you to grasp.

I'm not sure where the two islands of East Australia fit into the grand geopolitical scheme, but I'm sure you will enlighten us.

Oh so we're talking "in the region of". Well thats what @JALhazmat should have said.

Geographical "Regions" are an extremely broad term to use if you're going to say being"in the region makes you part of"

NZ is in the Geographical region of Australasia, but NZ is not, does not claim to be, or want to be part of Australia.

Taiwan is in the geographical region of East Asia, but Taiwan is not, does not claim to be, and does not want to be part of China.

Hong Kong is in the same Geographical region, and does not claim to be, (although has been forcibly made to) be part of China.

Ireland is in the Geographical region of the UK, but it is not, does not claim to be, and does not want to be part of the UK. 

The UK is in the geographical region of Europe, but is not, does not claim to be, and does not want to be part of Europe.

I was called "an ignorant fuck" because I said the UK was not part of Europe, when infact, I was correct, being next door to, or in the region of, does not make one country part of another country/ continent. 

[shebeen 470]

3 hours ago, Forourselves said:

I was called "an ignorant fuck" because I said the UK was not part of Europe, when infact, I was correct, being next door to, or in the region of, does not make one country part of another country/ continent. 

You were called that for a reason, and you continuing to dispute it only confirms it. We could maybe agree to use this as a reliable reference source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Europe 

If you don't understand it, there are some pictures.

 

but maybe you will move the goalposts and say what you meant is that the UK is not a part of this

 

or (more sailing related) this version of the moth dinghy

[shebeen 470]

5 hours ago, Forourselves said:

And it’s happened again. The summer concert tour has now been cancelled due to border restrictions and MIQ. The tour had a lineup of international artists who ultimately decided they didn’t want to spend 10 days in quarantine.The tour was projected to gain millions of dollars of revenue, all lost due to this Governments strict border control measures. Now you all know why Dalton is doing what he is doing. Not out of greed or turning his back, but because border control measures do not allow international events to take place.

But if the "summer concert tour" goes ahead in jan 2023, it would be ok to have AC37 in March 2024?

[JALhazmat 1,614]

4 I wasn’t wrong. doubling down on your own stupidity is only confirming your own ignorance and willingness argue that black is white. 
 

is New Zealand part of Australasia? Asking for a friend;-) 

[Forourselves 1,691]

26 minutes ago, shebeen said:

But if the "summer concert tour" goes ahead in jan 2023, it would be ok to have AC37 in March 2024?

Are you saying it’s definitely going to go ahead in 2023?

[Forourselves 1,691]

34 minutes ago, shebeen said:

You were called that for a reason, and you continuing to dispute it only confirms it. We could maybe agree to use this as a reliable reference source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Europe 

If you don't understand it, there are some pictures.

 

but maybe you will move the goalposts and say what you meant is that the UK is not a part of this

 

or (more sailing related) this version of the moth dinghy

All these pretty little pictures says nothing. Europe can be what ever it wants to be. That doesn’t make the UK part of it.

[Forourselves 1,691]

16 minutes ago, JALhazmat said:

is New Zealand part of Australasia? Asking for a friend;-) 

Yes it is. Your point?

NZ being part of Australasia does not make the UK part of Europe any more than Asia part of Europe, simply because they're part of the same landmass. 

 

 

[Forourselves 1,691]

38 minutes ago, JALhazmat said:

4 I wasn’t wrong. doubling down on your own stupidity is only confirming your own ignorance and willingness argue that black is white. 
 

is New Zealand part of Australasia? Asking for a friend;-) 

Definition Of Continental Europe

Continental Europe is a continuous continental landmass that forms the mainland continent of Europe, excluding the surrounding islands. It is simply the continent of Europe, excluding European islands such as the Canary Islands, British Isles, and the Greek Islands, as well as the oceanic islands such as the Faroe Islands, Iceland, the Madeira Islands, and Svalbard. Some definitions also exclude the Scandinavian Peninsula since it is connected to the rest of the continent across the Baltic Sea rather than a continuous strip of land. Different people have different ideas as to which country should be included in continental Europe because of the different definitions and usage of the term.

Usage

The term “continental Europe” applies differently to different groups of people. In some places, it is used to refer to a way of life while in other places it refers to a land mass. In Ireland and the United Kingdom, the phrase “the continent” is used in reference to the mainland of Europe. In addition, the word “Europe” is also regularly used to refer to Europe, excluding Iceland, the island of Great Britain, and Ireland. The term “continental Europe” is also used in the UK to reflect cultural and political allegiance. The adjective “continental” is also used to a fashion or social practices of continental Europe. England is connected to continental Europe by the Channel Tunnel which accommodates both Eurostar and Getlink.

In Scandinavia, “continental” is used to refer to the continent of Europe excluding the Scandinavian Peninsula, Ireland, Britain, and Iceland. The Scandinavian Peninsula is excluded from mainland Europe because though it is attached to continental Europe and can be accessed via a land route, it can is mostly reached by sea. In Swedish, “the continent” is used to refer to the region excluding Norway, Finland, and Sweden but including Denmark and the rest of the continent of Europe. In Norway, “the continent” is a separate entity that refers to France, Germany, Italy, Portugal, Spain, Belgium, Netherlands, and Luxembourg.

[JALhazmat 1,614]

Cool an article that doesn’t actually provide you with jack shit as it constantly back tracks depending  on a persons deffition or uses,

The map I provided is sufficient to clear your muddled brain..