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In the US, we have Sarah Newberry who narrowly missed being our Nacra 17 driver in this Olympic cycle - one of the few Nacra's teams with the woman driving.  Who else is out there?

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Haven't listened to it yet, but looks like it'll give you some answers:

The future generation of women sailing in the America's Cup
The Cup

After an incredible week of sailing Mel and Tom talk to Nic Douglass AKA 'Sailor Girl' and Mark Orams about the potential for an Aussie challenger in the next cup and the upcoming generation of women we can expect to see sailing in future America's cup regattas. Nic Douglass is an Australian sailor and sailing commentator and Mark Orams is a former Team New Zealand member and professor of sailing at AUT. For more, visit newshub.co.nz/podcasts See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Listen on Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/ca/podcast/the-cup/id1473765979?i=1000513501240

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Thanks, like Nic's podcasts so will check it out.

Pretty quiet thread so far because:

A. There aren't many candidates,

or

B. Most foilers, like Moths and A Cats are designed for guys,

or

C. Anarchists are dudes.

 

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12 hours ago, cbulger said:

C. Anarchists are dudes.

This should read Anarchists are dudes that wants to see boobs.
Unfortunately not many female candidate helming topless!

More seriously, there aren't many boat and they are many worthy candidates. When someone like Nathan O. is on the bench, it's unfortunately hard to find female sailor with similar resume. The other point is previous cup experience is value so highly that it creates big exclusion groups. Let's hope they get some women on board for next cycle (even if forced through the rule) to initiate a trend and hopefully remove this rule later on.
Speaking of tweaks and rules, what about 50% of sailors on board should be women during all training sessions. They do what they want for competitive racing. That would certainly provide experience without too many gimmicks for the actual racing.

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Fair point - seeing NO and TS on the bench for this cycle was great news for the Kiwis.

On the other hand we saw several old dudes in the back of AC 75's with foiling credentials much weaker than Sara Newberry.

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Suck-Up, *, Pony-UP, Show-Up before end of last race 

* create a fake/new YC if you don't already have one in yer pocket

Simple

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I do not care what sex, race or whoever the FUCK they are.

I want exciting Starts with close racing, with crew work and sail changes. Otherwise it is not Sailboat Racing.

Foiling is not accessible to most sailors so it is not really considered sailing yet.
Foiling is like Kite, Ice and Land sailing, most do not understand it, because it is not readily available, yet all go faster than the true wind speed

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This is such a stupid thread.  Why female helms, why not coloured helms, how about LBGT+ helms, one legged helms, people under 5 feet helms.  FFS if you are good enough does it matter what sex or group you belong to.  Take it to PA.

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1 hour ago, trt131 said:

This is such a stupid thread.  Why female helms, why not coloured helms, how about LBGT+ helms, one legged helms, people under 5 feet helms.  FFS if you are good enough does it matter what sex or group you belong to.  Take it to PA.

#TackLivesMatter

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10 hours ago, jaysper said:

#TackLivesMatter

#HelmsintheCloset

And BTW trt, in the US we say people of color not colored people. The latter was used in the 60s iirc.

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Appreciate al the contributions.  We have a high performance sailing talent problem in this country.  Check the medal count, check the AC, look who's driving our SailGP program.  We tried all our white guys and "no go", so gotta open the sailing door the whole population to compete.  Might be the right thing to do for other reasons as well

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On 3/27/2021 at 5:17 PM, Ex-yachtie said:

This would be a good place to start.

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I dont see any men there. Shows it works both ways.

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Do we patronize women by selecting them even if they are not the best or do we pick them because they are good enough....

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4 hours ago, dullers said:

Do we patronize women by selecting them even if they are not the best or do we pick them because they are good enough....

Is there any history or practice in men's sailing of bringing on promising young men and helping them get better and get high level experience and get to be among the best? 

If there is, are no females promising? Or don't we know because nobody ever assessed that?

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5 hours ago, dullers said:

I dont see any men there. Shows it works both ways.

Except in these examples the rules specifically excluded men, unlike the AC. 
 

I wouldn’t mind betting that the next protocol requires teams to enter the 21st century and include women. It would be hard to argue that it’s not being thought about, and we might just find that Team NZ is already a step ahead. 

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9 hours ago, NeedAClew said:

Is there any history or practice in men's sailing of bringing on promising young men and helping them get better and get high level experience and get to be among the best? 

If there is, are no females promising? Or don't we know because nobody ever assessed that?

I get your drift and I am wondering how anyone gets into an Olympic sailing team? Male or female. Are you saying only men get brought in for sailing and assessment for sailing teams? I believe in equality of opportunity but I dont believe in equality of outcome. A socialist red herring that is terrible for our society.  Here is something to dwell on. Less women like sailing then men. It is just the same for nursing. Men have the same opportunity as women to qualify yet more women do it.

This equality of outcome that people want only seems to be for the top jobs in the world. AC helmsman/helmswoman/helmsperson etcetera bloody etcetera. Why is there not more dustbin men/dustbin women/dustbin person of the female type? Who is riding that horse into town? I am sure we can watch with awe the next best virtue signalling AC team.  I suspect Jacinda will be team NZ next helmsmen/helmswomen/helmsperson etcetera bloody etcetera. 

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9 hours ago, Ex-yachtie said:

Except in these examples the rules specifically excluded men, unlike the AC. 
 

I wouldn’t mind betting that the next protocol requires teams to enter the 21st century and include women. It would be hard to argue that it’s not being thought about, and we might just find that Team NZ is already a step ahead. 

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Lets see who is the best virtue signalling AC team .  I look forward to them pissing over the side. Maybe the next AC class will have a unisex toilet and a lift as I see no disabled helmsmen/helmswoman/helmsperson etcetera bloody etcetera. Lets get equality in Formula one first. Everyone gets the chance to get a driving licence. Even though the licence is ageist. Not enough kids allowed to drive and old people loosing their licences.  

One day their will be female  a helmsmen/helmswoman/helmsperson etcetera bloody etcetera who is good enough. Until then lets not patronise them.

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On 3/27/2021 at 6:03 PM, cbulger said:

so gotta open the sailing door the whole population to compete.  Might be the right thing to do for other reasons as well

On what planet is that door closed?

I see a lot of "let's get women sailing" programs all over, wich makes me think, why treat women as if they were disabled?

Treat them as equals, and they'll sail (if they want to) 

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17 minutes ago, dullers said:

best virtue signalling AC team

Most people who use that term have no clue what it means.

It is however a sure sign of a right-wing sexist.

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1 hour ago, chuso007 said:

On what planet is that door closed?

I see a lot of "let's get women sailing" programs all over, which makes me think, why treat women as if they were disabled?

Treat them as equals, and they'll sail (if they want to) 

To get the equality they want they will have to force people like my wife to go sailing. Aint going to happen! I live in Lymington and anyone can go sailing including the disabled. One day a world class ac  helmsmen/helmswoman/helmsperson etcetera bloody etcetera will drive an ac boat and identify as female. She will be there because she is good enough. That will be true equality.

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1 hour ago, rantro said:

Most people who use that term have no clue what it means.

It is however a sure sign of a right-wing sexist.

I have to watch my inner Nazi.

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59 minutes ago, dullers said:

To get the equality they want they will have to force people like my wife to go sailing. Aint going to happen! 

I hear ya! My wife keeps choosing surfing over sailing on Saturday mornings... I guess she'd rather spend time with the young surf instructors at the beach than hiking on my snipe. 

(NOTE: my wife is a certified sailing instructor by the Spanish Sailing Federation and was part of the Galician team back in the day, so it's not like she doesn't know what racing sail boats is)

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Quotas have been used to incentivize equality of opportunity when nothing else seems to work. (Given you have to have a "whatever" in your organization,  mysteriously training for "whatevers" improves and becomes more available. )

What other means to ensure equality of opportunity do you prefer and how well have they worked.

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47 minutes ago, NeedAClew said:

Quotas have been used to incentivize equality of opportunity when nothing else seems to work. (Given you have to have a "whatever" in your organization,  mysteriously training for "whatevers" improves and becomes more available. )

What other means to ensure equality of opportunity do you prefer and how well have they worked.

All our laws support equal opportunity.  So my wife can start learning to sail and race anytime she wants. She may take it very seriously and rise to the top in her chosen sailing class based on merit and not because of her tits.

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Does anyone think that the recent crop of AC afterguard members were selected solely on their merits?  They were the best high-performance/foiling sailors in the world?  Seem that maybe, just maybe - several got their turns because they were close to the money......  not a seat that is on offer based on unbiased merit.

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5 minutes ago, cbulger said:

Does anyone think that the recent crop of AC afterguard members were selected solely on their merits?  They were the best high-performance/foiling sailors in the world?  Seem that maybe, just maybe - several got their turns because they were close to the money......  not a seat that is on offer based on unbiased merit.

At least it was not sexist then.

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4 minutes ago, cbulger said:

Does anyone think that the recent crop of AC afterguard members were selected solely on their merits?  They were the best high-performance/foiling sailors in the world?  Seem that maybe, just maybe - several got their turns because they were close to the money......  not a seat that is on offer based on unbiased merit.

Right. Close to the money, close to fraternities that were growing over years, close to "I'd rather appoint someone who is similar to me"...

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3 minutes ago, Rennmaus said:

Right. Close to the money, close to fraternities that were growing over years, close to "I'd rather appoint someone who is similar to me"...

 "I'd rather appoint someone who is similar to me"... It is called human nature for fucks sake. We live our whole life making selections like that.  You must be appalled that you came on sailing anarchy and found them talking about sailing "just like you"....

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12 minutes ago, Rennmaus said:

Right. Close to the money, close to fraternities that were growing over years, close to "I'd rather appoint someone who is similar to me"...

Now if Oprah would field a team... 

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6 hours ago, chuso007 said:

Treat them as equals, and they'll sail (if they want to) 

That's the point.  Why would they "want to"? People engage with sports/professions/passtimes if they see something they can relate to, especially when they're young. Having female role models within a sport is hugely important if you want to attract girls to sailing. Broadening its appeal can only be good for the sport.

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7 hours ago, dullers said:

Lets see who is the best virtue signalling AC team .  I look forward to them pissing over the side. Maybe the next AC class will have a unisex toilet and a lift as I see no disabled helmsmen/helmswoman/helmsperson etcetera bloody etcetera. Lets get equality in Formula one first. Everyone gets the chance to get a driving licence. Even though the licence is ageist. Not enough kids allowed to drive and old people loosing their licences.  

One day their will be female  a helmsmen/helmswoman/helmsperson etcetera bloody etcetera who is good enough. Until then lets not patronise them.

Hey, you're right.  Your carefully structured, albeit misspelt, series of arguments about comparable urinary tracts and irrelevant sports, carefully interspersed with the phrase "etcetera", as if to infer to commonly held beliefs, but actually simply filling a void that should have been filled with facts, has really changed my mind.  The Americas Cup should remain as irrelevant to as many people as possible.  That's the future.  

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5 hours ago, dullers said:

To get the equality they want they will have to force people like my wife to go sailing. Aint going to happen!

Have you ever considered the possibility that she doesn't want to go sailing because the local sailing club is full of sexist bigots?

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1 hour ago, dullers said:

All our laws support equal opportunity. 

This, from a guy living in a country who voted to leave the EU.  "We're all in favor of equal opportunity, as long as it's the right sort of opportunity, and the foreigners don't have the same choice"

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1 hour ago, cbulger said:

Does anyone think that the recent crop of AC afterguard members were selected solely on their merits?  They were the best high-performance/foiling sailors in the world?  Seem that maybe, just maybe - several got their turns because they were close to the money......  not a seat that is on offer based on unbiased merit.

<cough> Dean Barker <cough>

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49 minutes ago, dullers said:

 "I'd rather appoint someone who is similar to me"... It is called human nature for fucks sake.

Yeah, so is defending your land, to the death, from other groups of people who you don’t like, or mating with people from another tribe to ensure your genes get passed on, but we don’t do it!

It’s called a society, where the greater good can be achieved by acting in a way that suppresses human nature, therefore benefiting from the collective knowledge and skills of the whole.  It’s hard, and messy, but it’s always changing, usually for the better. You should try it. 

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40 minutes ago, Ex-yachtie said:

Have you ever considered the possibility that she doesn't want to go sailing because the local sailing club is full of sexist bigots?

It is actually filled with decent people both male and female. Try some facts for a change instead of the perpetual misogyny rant.

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30 minutes ago, Ex-yachtie said:

Yeah, so is defending your land, to the death, from other groups of people who you don’t like, or mating with people from another tribe to ensure your genes get passed on, but we don’t do it!

It’s called a society, where the greater good can be achieved by acting in a way that suppresses human nature, therefore benefiting from the collective knowledge and skills of the whole.  It’s hard, and messy, but it’s always changing, usually for the better. You should try it. 

Already been tried in the USSR and the death toll was horrendous.  

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42 minutes ago, Ex-yachtie said:

This, from a guy living in a country who voted to leave the EU.  "We're all in favor of equal opportunity, as long as it's the right sort of opportunity, and the foreigners don't have the same choice"

Democracy. Still popular in the UK. Has NZ got an application in for the EU?

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15 minutes ago, dullers said:

Democracy. Still popular in the UK. Has NZ got an application in for the EU?

No. I suspect our location means we’re not particularly compatible with the idea of a geographically centric economic partnership. 
 

However, since you’re enquiring, since the UK joined the EU, fucking over the Commonwealth countries who went to war for them, we’ve done quite well to find new trading partners of our own and enjoy the benefits that brings. It was nice of Boris, your head clown, to come down this way recently to mend bridges, but it doesn’t really matter to us either way. 
 

Also, still Covid free, which is nice. We knocked that shit on the head, together, so we could enjoy our freedom. Just like I imagine you think the Russians would have. 

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4 minutes ago, Ex-yachtie said:

Sure. You just keep telling yourself that. 

Dam it i have a personal troll....

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6 minutes ago, Ex-yachtie said:

No. I suspect our location means we’re not particularly compatible with the idea of a geographically centric economic partnership. 
 

However, since you’re enquiring, since the UK joined the EU, fucking over the Commonwealth countries who went to war for them, we’ve done quite well to find new trading partners of our own and enjoy the benefits that brings. It was nice of Boris, your head clown, to come down this way recently to mend bridges, but it doesn’t really matter to us either way. 
 

Also, still Covid free, which is nice. We knocked that shit on the head, together, so we could enjoy our freedom. Just like I imagine you think the Russians would have. 

Not sure what to make of your ramble. Did the Queen shit in your lunch box?

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1 hour ago, Ex-yachtie said:

That's the point.  Why would they "want to"? People engage with sports/professions/passtimes if they see something they can relate to, especially when they're young. Having female role models within a sport is hugely important if you want to attract girls to sailing. Broadening its appeal can only be good for the sport.

I know one thing for sure: men and women are very different and they don't want or like the same things.

And when given the possibility to choose, most of the times they will choose different things.

You can try to force them, but it won't work.

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2 minutes ago, chuso007 said:

I know one thing for sure: men and women are very different and they don't want or like the same things.

And when given the possibility to choose, most of the times they will choose different things.

You can try to force them, but it won't work.

you have to remember that people like ex yachty believe in state control. the individual does not matter. He already posted the blue print for social control and coercion in another post. CS Lewis put it the best way when he said and i quote from another poster on here.

Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience.”

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3 minutes ago, dullers said:

you have to remember that people like ex yachty believe in state control. the individual does not matter. He already posted the blue print for social control and coercion in another post. CS Lewis put it the best way when he said and i quote from another poster on here.

Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience.”

To put it in other words: a son of a bitch is only a son of a bitch when he wants to, and an idiot is an idiot 24 hours a day.

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1 hour ago, chuso007 said:

I know assume one thing for sure (and I'm no expert; heck, I even have a pair of bouncing tits as my profile pic, so take this with a grain of salt): men and women are very different and they don't want or like the same things.

 

Some suggested edits above. Please, go on, professor. 

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2 hours ago, Will_Co said:

Some suggested edits above. Please, go on, professor. 

I know is correct. It is observable in every aspect of life.

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3 hours ago, Will_Co said:

Some suggested edits above. Please, go on, professor. 

Dude, men and women ARE different. I  don't think any professor can help you if you think any of those edits make any sense.

 

 

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46 minutes ago, dullers said:

I know is correct. It is observable in every aspect of life.

Reality is incompatible with political correctness.

There's another fact.

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39 minutes ago, chuso007 said:

Dude, men and women ARE different. I  don't think any professor can help you if you think any of those edits make any sense.

 

 

I've clarified. See below. 

4 hours ago, Will_Co said:
5 hours ago, chuso007 said:

I know assume one thing for sure (and I'm no expert; heck, I even have a pair of bouncing tits as my profile pic, so take this with a grain of salt): men and women are very different and they don't want or like the same things.

 

Insofar as your comment relates to the topic of women sailors in the AC, Ssome suggested edits above. Please, go on, professor. 

 

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3 minutes ago, Will_Co said:

I've clarified. See below. 

 

His post did not need any pc fingerprints on it.  

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2 hours ago, dullers said:

His post did not need any pc fingerprints on it.  

Did you just make an assumption about gender? Don't you mean zhis or zher? :lol:

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22 hours ago, dullers said:

 "I'd rather appoint someone who is similar to me"... It is called human nature for fucks sake. We live our whole life making selections like that.  You must be appalled that you came on sailing anarchy and found them talking about sailing "just like you"....

Human nature then is why no equality of opportunity? 

And a bunch of white males with lockerroom talk probably really attracts young grade school females to the sport at the local level? Or if not well they couldn't have made the cut anyway right? 

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20 hours ago, chuso007 said:

I know one thing for sure: men and women are very different and they don't want or like the same things.

And when given the possibility to choose, most of the times they will choose different things.

You can try to force them, but it won't work.

Yeah, women don't want to be doctors or skiers or physicists or soccer players or vice presidents or sailors or....

I note the US men's soccer team didn't even make the Olympics. Probably should stop forcing men to play soccer. Men want different things.

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23 hours ago, dullers said:

All our laws support equal opportunity.  So my wife can start learning to sail and race anytime she wants. She may take it very seriously and rise to the top in her chosen sailing class based on merit and not because of her tits.

Don't know where you are from but our laws support equal opportunity yet outcomes still differ very badly.  Would you feel as comfortable using "skin color" or "national origin" instead of "tits" in your sentence? If not, perhaps you agree many issues can be at play.

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41 minutes ago, NeedAClew said:

Yeah, women don't want to be doctors or skiers or physicists or soccer players or vice presidents or sailors or....

I note the US men's soccer team didn't even make the Olympics. Probably should stop forcing men to play soccer. Men want different things.

Dude, women in Spain are a majority in education, justice and health (the three pillars of society),  my wife is a physicist, loves to ski and watches more soccer games than I do. 

Equality has been guaranteed by law for decades, but it just happens that free women choose different things than men, deal with it.

Stop treating women as if they needed your protection and guidance because they don't. It's actually demeaning to them.

The thing is all the socialist ideology was based on the war between classes, since that doesn't work anymore, now they need to divide society with gender, race,  sexual preferences or whatever suits them.

Free men and women have ideas, submissive men and women have ideologies.

Don't be submissive, don't let others think for you.

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53 minutes ago, NeedAClew said:

Human nature then is why no equality of opportunity? 

And a bunch of white males with lockerroom talk probably really attracts young grade school females to the sport at the local level? Or if not well they couldn't have made the cut anyway right? 

I see you only prefer white racism. So locker room talk is only possible with white males? You are against racism and yet see no irony in your posts. I see with posts like these you prefer division over harmony. So let me quote from an article from the RYA with a lady called Alexandra Rickham. You can google her sailing achievements. I quote. 

"As a black disabled women Im representing a lot of under represented groups. I dont feel I have faced extra challenges particularly. "

It speaks for itself.

I will leave Ex yachty to correct your spelling.

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57 minutes ago, NeedAClew said:

Don't know where you are from but our laws support equal opportunity yet outcomes still differ very badly.  Would you feel as comfortable using "skin color" or "national origin" instead of "tits" in your sentence? If not, perhaps you agree many issues can be at play.

I will use whatever words I like. I know you would like language policed in your utopian nightmare but you are not there yet.  Equality of outcome is impossible to achieve with the diversity of people around. It is most probably the single most divisive pipedream in the socialist armoury. If you send 1000 kids to university to do the same degree you will never get equality of outcome as it depends on the individual as to what results and future prosperity, wellbeing etc will be achieved. 

I have always believed in equal opportunity and that is worth striving for. Equality of outcome is destructive for everyone. Equality of outcome will achieve only that everyone is poor and miserable.   You can offer help to all but not all will take it.

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Has anyone propagated equality of outcome? Why bring that up now? We are talking of equality of opportunity. The latter is not there. Why bring up socialism again, without knowing what socialism is?
This is a discussion that's moving the goalposts as required when the arguments fail.

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38 minutes ago, Rennmaus said:

Has anyone propagated equality of outcome? Why bring that up now? We are talking of equality of opportunity. The latter is not there. Why bring up socialism again, without knowing what socialism is?
This is a discussion that's moving the goalposts as required when the arguments fail.

You did in your post.  Sorry not you but need a clue who has identical views to yours. 

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1 hour ago, chuso007 said:

Dude, women in Spain are a majority in education, justice and health (the three pillars of society),  my wife is a physicist, loves to ski and watches more soccer games than I do. 

Equality has been guaranteed by law for decades, but it just happens that free women choose different things than men, deal with it.

Stop treating women as if they needed your protection and guidance because they don't. It's actually demeaning to them.

The thing is all the socialist ideology was based on the war between classes, since that doesn't work anymore, now they need to divide society with gender, race,  sexual preferences or whatever suits them.

Free men and women have ideas, submissive men and women have ideologies.

Don't be submissive, don't let others think for you.

Now read your post again in the knowledge that @NeedAClewis a woman.  You can tell because her avatar has a woman in it, but it doesn't have a set of bouncing tits. It obviously didn't occur to your sexist little brain that you might be talking to someone who might understand this from quite a different perspective.  You see, that's the benefit of diversity - multiple view points of the same problem, leading to the best answer, not just the refinement of the same answer over and over.

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1 hour ago, dullers said:

I will use whatever words I like. I know you would like language policed in your utopian nightmare but you are not there yet.  Equality of outcome is impossible to achieve with the diversity of people around. It is most probably the single most divisive pipedream in the socialist armoury. If you send 1000 kids to university to do the same degree you will never get equality of outcome as it depends on the individual as to what results and future prosperity, wellbeing etc will be achieved. 

I have always believed in equal opportunity and that is worth striving for. Equality of outcome is destructive for everyone. Equality of outcome will achieve only that everyone is poor and miserable.   You can offer help to all but not all will take it.

So you are talking about equality of outcome here. But the original topic was about opportunity.

And I am not sure why you DMd to ask me my religion. You could have asked in public and get the same answer: what the fuck would that have to do with anything I've said, what the fuck business is it of yours, and fuck off.

And btw I am not male.

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Why would I ask you in public given the lovely post you have just sent. You had the choice of answering or not. Anything else one should not ask?

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29 minutes ago, NeedAClew said:

I did answer see above. Thing is, when asking a question, you don't control the answer.

Not even if you’re a self righteous privileged male?

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2 hours ago, Ex-yachtie said:

Now read your post again in the knowledge that @NeedAClewis a woman.  You can tell because her avatar has a woman in it, but it doesn't have a set of bouncing tits. It obviously didn't occur to your sexist little brain that you might be talking to someone who might understand this from quite a different perspective.  You see, that's the benefit of diversity - multiple view points of the same problem, leading to the best answer, not just the refinement of the same answer over and over.

LOL!! And you call me sexist!!

I don't care if she's a she or a he, because unlike you, little grasshopper,  I treat all opinions equally.

I won't step down to your low level name calling because quite frankly, you are not worth it.

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1 hour ago, dullers said:

Why would I ask you in public given the lovely post you have just sent. You had the choice of answering or not. Anything else one should not ask?

What would even have anything to do with the subject matter? This entire thread basically started as trying to get a list of top level female sailors compiled. Instead of contributing to that, you've turned the entire conversation into an argument about anything BUT top women in our sport... Would have loved to see a simple conversation about the merits of Sarah Ayton vs Sarah Webb or maybe Lutz vs Bekkering on an America's Cup program.

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1 hour ago, Tubes said:

What would even have anything to do with the subject matter? This entire thread basically started as trying to get a list of top level female sailors compiled. Instead of contributing to that, you've turned the entire conversation into an argument about anything BUT top women in our sport... Would have loved to see a simple conversation about the merits of Sarah Ayton vs Sarah Webb or maybe Lutz vs Bekkering on an America's Cup program.

The thread was always meant to be about opportunity versus merit. Oh and its anarchy so thread drift is the norm. By the way Lakrass starts the thread drift but I note you said nothing about it. Then we could add meatwad then ............................. then trt131 so I am late to the event and the people you mentioned are not being discussed because they are not candidates. Then we have need a clue trying to impose pc speech on us. Anyway it makes you feel self righteous. 

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6 minutes ago, dullers said:

The thread was always meant to be about opportunity versus merit. Oh and its anarchy so thread drift is the norm. By the way Lakrass starts the thread drift but I note you said nothing about it. Then we could add meatwad then ............................. then trt131 so I am late to the event and the people you mentioned are not being discussed because they are not candidates. Then we have need a clue trying to impose pc speech on us. Anyway it makes you feel self righteous. 

You've drifted this topic into equality of outcome vs equality of opportunity and the socio-economic outcomes of socialism... and what does the actions of anyone else have to do with how you are acting right now? No one is censoring you, so what are you talking about? And how is it self righteous to question what religion @NeedAClewsubscribes to has to do with anything? You say something, people respond. If you don't want people to question your ideologies the way you question theirs, don't vocalize your opinion... 

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40 minutes ago, Tubes said:

You've drifted this topic into equality of outcome vs equality of opportunity and the socio-economic outcomes of socialism... and what does the actions of anyone else have to do with how you are acting right now? No one is censoring you, so what are you talking about? And how is it self righteous to question what religion @NeedAClewsubscribes to has to do with anything? You say something, people respond. If you don't want people to question your ideologies the way you question theirs, don't vocalize your opinion... 

If you note I did not ask need a clue on this thread. Need a clue raised it on this thread. Read the post properly.  It is anarchy and you are self righteous. I say something people respond. The response is yours and not mine. Try reading the threads and posts first.

Sorry how am I acting? Does it not fit your worldview correctly? Where did I raise the issue of censorship and in regards to who?  Just quote the parts in my post that you are talking about as all I see is some sort of ramble and dare I say it thread drift. 

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24 minutes ago, dullers said:

If you note I did not ask need a clue on this thread. Need a clue raised it on this thread. Read the post properly.  It is anarchy and you are self righteous. I say something people respond. The response is yours and not mine. Try reading the threads and posts first.

1.Sorry how am I acting? 2.Does it not fit your worldview correctly? 3.Where did I raise the issue of censorship and in regards to who?  Just quote the parts in my post that you are talking about as all I see is some sort of ramble and dare I say it thread drift. 

Okay:

 

1 hour ago, dullers said:

The thread was always meant to be about opportunity versus merit. Oh and its anarchy so thread drift is the norm. By the way Lakrass starts the thread drift but I note you said nothing about it. Then we could add meatwad then ............................. then trt131 so I am late to the event and the people you mentioned are not being discussed because they are not candidates. Then we have need a clue trying to impose pc speech on us. Anyway it makes you feel self righteous. 

1. What does what they posted have to do with what YOU are posting? Why does the fact that they posted on something earlier justify you continuing it? 

2. My worldview has nothing to with it. I just wanted to talk about the topic, women, or people that identify as women, at the top of our sport, but that seems to disagree with YOUR worldview.

3. If anyone is trying to "impose" speech upon you, they are trying to censor you. And in regards to @NeedAClew

 

By the way, they made this nice place for you to you discuss the benefits and faults of socialism, and any other geopolitical issue you want to converse about:

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3 minutes ago, Tubes said:

Okay:

 

1. What does what they posted have to do with what YOU are posting? Why does the fact that they posted on something earlier justify you continuing it? 

2. My worldview has nothing to with it. I just wanted to talk about the topic, women, or people that identify as women, at the top of our sport, but that seems to disagree with YOUR worldview.

3. If anyone is trying to "impose" speech upon you, they are trying to censor you. And in regards to @NeedAClew

 

By the way, they made this nice place for you to you discuss the benefits and faults of socialism, and any other geopolitical issue you want to converse about:

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So why dont you ignore my posts then????  Use block etc .To quote you  "Why does the fact that they posted on something earlier justify you continuing it? " Follow your own advice and talk about the women you want to. I am not stopping you. Thread drift is allowed. You dont own it or the direction of the thread. You think you do but you dont....  Feel free to go over to PA. I am staying here.

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On 3/29/2021 at 10:46 PM, dullers said:

I look forward to them pissing over the side.

I talked to several of the VOR sailors about this during their stopover in Auckland 3 years ago. While examining the head on Scallywag the crew made it clear it didn't get used much. They just went off the back ... women too.

Actually, it was Fish who told me that. He was lost almost exactly three years ago, poor bastard.

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I don't know if it is true or not but a lady sailor who used to race with a mostly male crew around Cowes decided that she was not going to do it in the open anymore and came up with the heads. I think it was the Lavac design. That design is the best of all designs. I could google for the veracity of that story but that would not be fun.

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I would like to think the mixed crew rule in Volvo 17/18 was the best recent step in the right direction - (7+2 / 5+5 / 11+0).

Mixed Nacra at olympics and double handed offshore for paris 2024 will also open up doors.

 

Whether it is worth the wait for the pipeline to open up, or brute forcing ladies into the americas cup via rules is a move that can be debated. Ineos/ETNZ probably have access to very good female sailors so they could even use it as an advantage.

Grinding it won't happen, but there is no physical reason why any of the afterguard need to be men, they are just the ones with the best experience.

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Here's a couple names that should hav been at the top of the thread...

The United States SailGP Team revealed its complete SailGP Season 2 lineup today with the announcement of athletes Daniela Moroz, CJ Perez

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On 4/10/2021 at 5:29 PM, cbulger said:

Here's a couple names that should hav been at the top of the thread...

The United States SailGP Team revealed its complete SailGP Season 2 lineup today with the announcement of athletes Daniela Moroz, CJ Perez

Ah yes, Team "USA" with an Aussie driver and a Limey trimmer.

I'm surprised the most recent American gold medalist (christ thirteen years ago?) hasn't been mentioned, I heard she was in discussions with Team S&S before they folded...

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