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3 hours ago, Sol Rosenberg said:

No reasonable person would consider Sidney’s claims to be factual.  “No reasonable person would conclude that the statements were truly statements of fact,” -her atty.

She's actually right about that - look at the people who believed her.

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8 hours ago, phillysailor said:

A properly designed septic should have no problem dealing with raw flesh; plenty of bacteria to deal with such effluent. Bones or fur might cause it problems, but there’s plenty of culture to cancel your meat.

No.  You never put anything semi-solid in a septic field.  Nuh-uh.  Nope.  No way.

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20 minutes ago, Grrr... said:

No.  You never put anything semi-solid in a septic field.  Nuh-uh.  Nope.  No way.

A quick run through a macerator pump and it's all good.

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6 hours ago, frenchie said:

You're wrong about this, too.  

Fox News is the whole channel  -  pundits AND reporters. 

"Fox Media" isn't really a thing.  You probably mean Fox Corporation, which owns Fox News & a bunch of other media companies (Fox Broadcasting, Fox Business, Fox Sports, Fox Entertainment, etc). 

 

I think the parent company is Fox Media Corp..

The lawsuit is definitely against Fox News, LLC, look at the complaint they filed in the Delaware Court.

Regardless who pays the pundits, be it Fox News or Fox Media, opiniators are held to a much less rigorous standard than news reporters.

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7 hours ago, roundthebuoys said:

So you're not going to address the fact that Dominion are owned by a New York Investment firm?  Why do you keep calling them a Canadian company?  You're not going to address that it was ES&S who bought the IP from Diebold, not Dominion?  Do you think Dominion don't have any accountability to State and Federal election commissions?  Look, I honestly don't give a fuck about which systems we use as long as it gets to the point where every America, within their legal rights, can easily and safely vote by phone, computer, onsite, mail and smoke signal.  If your answer to that is blockchain, then start your own company and have at it.

 

Dominion is a Canadian Company, their HQ is in Toronto. Did a New York Investment firm buy a portion? Okay, it's a private company, those things happen. They started in Canada, they have a major presence in Canada, they are based in Canada. Their U.S. operations are the U.S. operations of a Canadian company.

As for Diebold's I.P., it is currently owned by Dominion. ES&S did buy Diebold's proven hackable, proven faulty I.P., and then Dominion bought it from them because ES&S couldn't hold a monopoly in the market like that.

As for Dominion's accountability, I didn't claim that they didn't, I'm not sure why you feel the need to claim that. And as for the proven security problems with the base Diebold (and ES&S) I.P., that has proven several times. How much of that is Dominion incorporated in their system? Beats me (and you) it's a private company, perhaps we might find out a thing or two if this ends up in court. As for now though, the nature of proprietary, closed-source systems is that you and I and the postal worker's brother-in-law know fuck all.

Finally, as for starting "your own company" that's exactly what we need to avoid. A vote for public office is one of the cornerstones of our Constitutional Democracy. Private companies shouldn't be involved in any non-transparent portion of the process. Hire a private security company to drive sealed, already-recorded ballots to the storage area? Fine. Hire a private company to write the code that inserts the votes into the blockchain? Hell fucking no.

Voting is a process that needs to be of the People, by the People, for the People. I'm quite sure that public servants with public oversight are fully capable of writing a simple open-sourced, fully transparent blockchain. Hell, the DOE writes fully open-sourced energy monitoring software that is far more complex than a simple voting blockchain.

So no, "roundthebuoys" ... the first step is for people to recognize the fundemantal problem of these private companies controlling our voting process in an opaque way, the next step for voters to demand a public, fully transparent method, and the final step is for our public servants to write the process under full public oversight.

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6 minutes ago, mikewof said:

Dominion is a Canadian Company, their HQ is in Toronto. Did a New York Investment firm buy a portion? Okay, it's a private company, those things happen. They started in Canada, they have a major presence in Canada, they are based in Canada. Their U.S. operations are the U.S. operations of a Canadian company.

As for Diebold's I.P., it is currently owned by Dominion. ES&S did buy Diebold's proven hackable, proven faulty I.P., and then Dominion bought it from them because ES&S couldn't hold a monopoly in the market like that.

As for Dominion's accountability, I didn't claim that they didn't, I'm not sure why you feel the need to claim that. And as for the proven security problems with the base Diebold (and ES&S) I.P., that has proven several times. How much of that is Dominion incorporated in their system? Beats me (and you) it's a private company, perhaps we might find out a thing or two if this ends up in court. As for now though, the nature of proprietary, closed-source systems is that you and I and the postal worker's brother-in-law know fuck all.

Finally, as for starting "your own company" that's exactly what we need to avoid. A vote for public office is one of the cornerstones of our Constitutional Democracy. Private companies shouldn't be involved in any non-transparent portion of the process. Hire a private security company to drive sealed, already-recorded ballots to the storage area? Fine. Hire a private company to write the code that inserts the votes into the blockchain? Hell fucking no.

Voting is a process that needs to be of the People, by the People, for the People. I'm quite sure that public servants with public oversight are fully capable of writing a simple open-sourced, fully transparent blockchain. Hell, the DOE writes fully open-sourced energy monitoring software that is far more complex than a simple voting blockchain.

So no, "roundthebuoys" ... the first step is for people to recognize the fundemantal problem of these private companies controlling our voting process in an opaque way, the next step for voters to demand a public, fully transparent method, and the final step is for our public servants to write the process under full public oversight.


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7 hours ago, frenchie said:

seriously  -  fuck off.

That's fine, it may make you angry, but the truth is the truth ...

 

That you're angry at me and not the voting systems we use, is perhaps a cause for reflection, huh Frenchie?

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3 hours ago, Grrr... said:

Thank you so much.  I laughed SO HARD at this.

What are the odds that while Ben was contemplating the stupidity of putting your dick in a disposal, I was actually replacing a disposal. In fact, the aforementioned Badger disposal. My wife, being the smarter of us, wisely suggested that I electrically disconnect the disposal prior to attempting replacement. This later proved to be extremely prudent since I typically perform this kind of work completely naked while watching porn, and when the disposal inevitably fell into my crouch, my wife was able to give me that "knowing" look instead of an uncomfortable ride to the ER. 

And BTW. I verified the dimensions given up thread that shows a 7-1/4" distance from the opening of the disposal to the centerline of the drain. That dimension is correct, but the blades are above the drain. I carefully measured the distance to the top of the blades and found it to be about 6-1/2" to 6-3/4". This is well within the nominal single-hander, multihull sailor, or bowman penis length. So in the interest of safety, disposal repair is better left to J-Boat sailors or big-boat tacticians. 

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1 minute ago, Bus Driver said:

What about people not named Ben?

Change your name to Ben and you'll be good to go.

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2 minutes ago, bhyde said:

What are the odds that while Ben was contemplating the stupidity of putting your dick in a disposal, I was actually replacing a disposal. In fact, the aforementioned Badger disposal. My wife, being the smarter of us, wisely suggested that I electrically disconnect the disposal prior to attempting replacement. This later proved to be extremely prudent since I typically perform this kind of work completely naked while watching porn, and when the disposal inevitably fell into my crouch, my wife was able to give me that "knowing" look instead of an uncomfortable ride to the ER. 

And BTW. I verified the dimensions given up thread that shows a 7-1/4" distance from the opening of the disposal to the centerline of the drain. That dimension is correct, but the blades are above the drain. I carefully measured the distance to the top of the blades and found it to be about 6-1/2" to 6-3/4". This is well within the nominal single-hander, multihull sailor, or bowman penis length. So in the interest of safety, disposal repair is better left to J-Boat sailors or big-boat tacticians. 

Thank you for this.

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On 3/26/2021 at 5:49 AM, Steam Flyer said:

But "freedom of speech" means you can deliberately lie, either for your own gain or to harm others

That's in the Constitution, dammit!

- DSK

The constitution says that congress shall pass no law that infringes your freedom of speech. But if your speech harms people without justifiable cause then you may be liable in a civil suit. That's my understanding. 

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2 hours ago, bhyde said:

What are the odds that while Ben was contemplating the stupidity of putting your dick in a disposal, I was actually replacing a disposal. In fact, the aforementioned Badger disposal. My wife, being the smarter of us, wisely suggested that I electrically disconnect the disposal prior to attempting replacement. This later proved to be extremely prudent since I typically perform this kind of work completely naked while watching porn, and when the disposal inevitably fell into my crouch, my wife was able to give me that "knowing" look instead of an uncomfortable ride to the ER. 

And BTW. I verified the dimensions given up thread that shows a 7-1/4" distance from the opening of the disposal to the centerline of the drain. That dimension is correct, but the blades are above the drain. I carefully measured the distance to the top of the blades and found it to be about 6-1/2" to 6-3/4". This is well within the nominal single-hander, multihull sailor, or bowman penis length. So in the interest of safety, disposal repair is better left to J-Boat sailors or big-boat tacticians. 

It could serve as a quick foreskin remover with a few adjustments. Like auto-bandage and codeine dispensers.

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9 hours ago, Hard On The Wind said:
On 3/26/2021 at 8:49 AM, Steam Flyer said:

But "freedom of speech" means you can deliberately lie, either for your own gain or to harm others

That's in the Constitution, dammit!

 

The constitution says that congress shall pass no law that infringes your freedom of speech. But if your speech harms people without justifiable cause then you may be liable in a civil suit. That's my understanding. 

 

In other words, the Constitution does not really encode a right to be dishonest.

It also gives Congress the power to regulate commerce.

Problem: in a socio-economic system where most commercial enterprises depend on advertising, the advantage goes to the ones with most exaggerated advertising, which quickly turns to outright lies, which quickly turns to the expectation that ALL advertising is lies, which quickly turns into the perception that all mass media is lies.

We have deliberately become a society of liars. Impossible to succeed, all the myriad interpersonal interactions of a modern society depend on the expectation of mutual benefit.

For those who want to screech about their "FREEDOM!!" I would be glad to turn them out into the wilderness and enjoy all the freedom they want. Complete and total freedom from ever being constrained in any way by any other person. Not in my yard, though, and not in any of the national parks.

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20 hours ago, mikewof said:

Fox may not be the friend of lefties (except I've noticed that lefties love Family Guy)

I'm a yuge fan of Family Guy. When Peter was Trump's Press Secretary it was a riot.

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1 hour ago, Steam Flyer said:

In other words, the Constitution does not really encode a right to be dishonest.

Sometimes it does.

The Ohio case mentioned in the article is Susan B Anthony List v Driehaus.

It was initially dismissed and the dismissal affirmed by the 6th Circuit.

The Supreme Court unanimously told the 6th to think about it again.

They did, and decided in favor of SBA List.

 

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16 hours ago, Grrr... said:

No.  You never put anything semi-solid in a septic field.  Nuh-uh.  Nope.  No way.

Methinks you doth protest too much. First off, once your dick is pâté, you’re not really gonna care about the performance of your septic. You’re gonna be needing a good reconstructive urologist, years of therapy and a good divorce attorney, since no one wants to be married to a dickless idiot.

Anyways, we are talking 2-3 cubic inches of chopped up skin and flesh max, assuming a Bobbit procedure is not used to introduce the member to the disposal. If your septic tank can’t take this, it’s useless. It’s only the runoff from the tank that enters the field. Empty the tank every 2-3 years and you’ll be fine, seeing as you’ll only do this once.

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2 hours ago, Shambolic Tom said:

I'm a yuge fan of Family Guy. When Peter was Trump's Press Secretary it was a riot.

Family Guy is funny. Lately I prefer Rick and Morty and also Solar Opposites, they aren't Fox but rather Warner. They are violently twisted, both of those shows, out the demented mind of Dan Harmon.

Fox owns some "lefty" stuff, their "righty" news position seems as much a marketing function as something Aussie Murdoch has any real attachment. They found a marketing hole in news viewership and blasted the hell out of it. But as far as standards and practices, they seem to run the business much like the rest.

I've no real problem with an Australian having to pay money to Canadians, but the USA is in the middle of this particular mess, and we pay the price for the profiteering. C'est la vie, I guess it's our due, what goes around, comes around.

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2 hours ago, Shambolic Tom said:

Sometimes it does.

The Ohio case mentioned in the article is Susan B Anthony List v Driehaus.

It was initially dismissed and the dismissal affirmed by the 6th Circuit.

The Supreme Court unanimously told the 6th to think about it again.

They did, and decided in favor of SBA List.

 

I mentioned the 30-year-old high school wrestling riot case that went to the Supreme Court, the decision was the opinion is opinion, and the barrier of truthfulness for a newspapers (or television network's) editorial or opinionator is completely different from something presented as fact.

I've asked to see a sample of the actual Fox News and their disinformation regarding the 2020 vote, when I looked it up, I could find a lot of opinion pieces that fit that, plus also the complaints themselves listed the opinion pieces. But the actual news segments? The only thing I found that is close (and I linked it here a couple months ago with the Smartmatic thread) was a Fox News Reporter being fully honest and fact-based with the Trump PIO.

As long as we disregard the Supreme Court decisions on this, it seems simple enough. But when I was a reporter, i remember a good bit of effort that was devoted to keeping things factual and correcting errors. Once over a few margaritas, I asked my then-editor how the publishers could get away with such blatant lies in the opinion pieces, and he told me what essentially applies here ... news is news, and opinions are not news.

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5 minutes ago, Cal20sailor said:
14 minutes ago, Bus Driver said:

Mikey was a reporter.  What HASN'T he done?

Acted humble?

Admitted he doesn't know shit from Shinola?

- DSK

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Just now, Steam Flyer said:
6 minutes ago, Cal20sailor said:
15 minutes ago, Bus Driver said:

Mikey was a reporter.  What HASN'T he done?

Acted humble?

Admitted he doesn't know shit from Shinola?

From now on, I am referring to him as "Walter", as in Mitty.

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1 minute ago, Bus Driver said:

From now on, I am referring to him as "Walter", as in Mitty.

More like Forrest Gump

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3 minutes ago, Raz'r said:

More like Forrest Gump

Disagree.  Forrest was pure of heart and didn't pretend to be something he wasn't.  His good fortune was luck.

Walter Mitty escaped his ordinary existence through daydreams of fantastic exploits and delusions of grandeur.

 

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1 hour ago, Bus Driver said:
1 hour ago, Raz'r said:

More like Forrest Gump

Disagree.  Forrest was pure of heart and didn't pretend to be something he wasn't.  His good fortune was luck.

Walter Mitty escaped his ordinary existence through daydreams of fantastic exploits and delusions of grandeur.

Neither one concocted a stream of lies to try and harm others.

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I can’t choose between Forrest Gump and Walter Mitty.  So I did this:

You've chosen to ignore content by mikewof. Options 

You've chosen to ignore content by mikewof. Options 

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8 hours ago, Bus Driver said:

Disagree.  Forrest was pure of heart and didn't pretend to be something he wasn't.  His good fortune was luck.

Walter Mitty escaped his ordinary existence through daydreams of fantastic exploits and delusions of grandeur.

 

Fair

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Be fair to yourselves. You will not be successful in squelching mikey. And mikey has his strengths. His crime? mikey did not set out to be like you.

 

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17 hours ago, mikewof said:

As long as we disregard the Supreme Court decisions on this, it seems simple enough.

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On 3/27/2021 at 6:13 PM, SloopJonB said:

She's actually right about that - look at the people who believed her.

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On 3/26/2021 at 4:22 PM, mikewof said:

The tally is the tally. It's counting votes, not so different from counting eggs, or marbles or bags of sand. If someone thinks it's rocket surgery, they're doing it wrong.

So, you agree, the count, as certified by all 50 states and congress stands.  However, there are several million people who refuse to believe otherwise.  It really isn't rocket surgery.  But your suggestion would allow those millions to simply make up their own shit and and more justification for doing so.   

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2 hours ago, Swimsailor said:

So, you agree, the count, as certified by all 50 states and congress stands.  However, there are several million people who refuse to believe otherwise.  It really isn't rocket surgery.  But your suggestion would allow those millions to simply make up their own shit and and more justification for doing so.   

i agree that Biden won the election. I do not necessarily agree that the count was done correctly back in 2000 though.

As for "Make up their own shit"? Huh? The count is the count. A blockchain isn't open to such vague notions. By your suggestion, anyone with a shitty laptop can mine their own Bitcoins by finding a three digit prime number.

My point is that neither of us know the count, we simply have to take someone's word for it. You don't know for certain that your vote was cast and tallied correctly, and neither do I. If we had a blockchain of the poll results, we wouldn't have to take anyone's word for it, we would simply tally the votes and see for ourselves. If we had the time and we were computer averse, or if we had a small county, we could literally just tally the results right from the blockchain onto paper without even needing a computer. But the code to make a tally isn't particularly complicated, anyone who knows how to write a couple lines of Visual Basic in Microsoft Excel could do it.

What about 2000? In your opinion, was that election stolen from Gore through faults in the voting process?

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1 hour ago, hobie1616 said:

Is he getting a moo job?

Some of these truckstops do not look kindly on the truckers pissing in their yards, but he clearly has a bunch of livestock in that trailer, and absorbent flooring to hold the piss and shit of the animals, in compliance with DOT rules. Nobody is going to care about a little extra piss inside that mess.

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22 hours ago, Bus Driver said:

Mikey was a reporter.  What HASN'T he done?

I was a reporter. Not a good one, but a working one. I do know about the process of legal standards in reporting. And I wrote for the Wall Street Journal, which had to keep their shit in line because the moment something fucked made it to print, Dow Jones' ass was on the line. We ran corrections for errors as small as a 0.01% variances in the end-of-day stock trade price. But the editors and opinionators could write what they wanted, mostly at will in the editorial section and op-eds, because the Supreme Court protected their right to do so.

That you don't seem to understand the difference between news and opinion doesn't mean there isn't a difference, it just means that you haven't worked in that industry. I'm sure I know very little about whatever industry you work.

So in this case, since you are not educated in the process of news reporting compliance, perhaps you should sit your ass down, shut the fuck up and try to learn something, huh?

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20 hours ago, Steam Flyer said:

Neither one concocted a stream of lies to try and harm others.

- DSK

You've adopted the position of a long string of miscreants, galoots and ne'er do wells; that people who don't agree with what you have in your head at any particular time, have "concocted lies."

Sometimes, the things we have in our heads are incorrect, or in need of adjustment. It's the nature of knowledge itself.

 

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20 hours ago, jerseyguy said:

I can’t choose between Forrest Gump and Walter Mitty.  So I did this:

You've chosen to ignore content by mikewof. Options 

You've chosen to ignore content by mikewof. Options 

And not before time.

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1 hour ago, mikewof said:

i agree that Biden won the election. I do not necessarily agree that the count was done correctly back in 2000 though.

As for "Make up their own shit"? Huh? The count is the count. A blockchain isn't open to such vague notions. By your suggestion, anyone with a shitty laptop can mine their own Bitcoins by finding a three digit prime number.

My point is that neither of us know the count, we simply have to take someone's word for it. You don't know for certain that your vote was cast and tallied correctly, and neither do I. If we had a blockchain of the poll results, we wouldn't have to take anyone's word for it, we would simply tally the votes and see for ourselves. If we had the time and we were computer averse, or if we had a small county, we could literally just tally the results right from the blockchain onto paper without even needing a computer. But the code to make a tally isn't particularly complicated, anyone who knows how to write a couple lines of Visual Basic in Microsoft Excel could do it.

What about 2000? In your opinion, was that election stolen from Gore through faults in the voting process?

And you think the count matters, why? It doesn't, you know. What matters is how each state puts its' electors forward. The "count" was legit in 2000 as the state of Florida submitted their electors legally. Full Supreme review IIRC. 

Do you think the count matters in Georgia now?

As to the "taking it on faith" argument, I do a lot of that. I don't think that I will fly off the earth tomorrow when gravity fails, as I have faith. I certainly don't understand the math behind it. I also am pretty certain, albeit less so, that Schwab and co will still have my investments available to me tomorrow. No bitcoin needed. I just look it up online. etc, etc, etc

"Tech looking for a problem", Woofey issue #42

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2 hours ago, SloopJonB said:

And not before time.

I’ve had Mikey on ignore for close to a year.

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5 hours ago, mikewof said:

Some of these truckstops do not look kindly on the truckers pissing in their yards, but he clearly has a bunch of livestock in that trailer, and absorbent flooring to hold the piss and shit of the animals, in compliance with DOT rules. Nobody is going to care about a little extra piss inside that mess.

I'm almost afraid to ask why you would know that?  Did you practice animal husbandry until you got caught at it?

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6 minutes ago, hobie1616 said:

I'm almost afraid to ask why you would know that?  Did you practice animal husbandry until you got caught at it?

I have a couple homeless friends, I know a good bit about the difficulties of not having access to a toilet. There are certain places in the country where is sometimes impossible to find a place to take a piss. And in some places, public urination carries the risk of indecent exposure added to the misdemeanor of the P.U..

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17 minutes ago, hobie1616 said:

I'm almost afraid to ask why you would know that?  Did you practice animal husbandry until you got caught at it?

:P

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4 hours ago, hobie1616 said:

I'm almost afraid to ask why you would know that?  Did you practice animal husbandry until you got caught at it?

Is there anything Walter doesn't know about?

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13 hours ago, Sol Rosenberg said:

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If I was him, Instead of emptying his bladder, I might think about letting a little air out of his tires before he hits that sprinkler head.

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4 hours ago, hobie1616 said:

I'm almost afraid to ask why you would know that?  Did you practice animal husbandry until you got caught at it?

It looked obvious to me.   Must be a city thing.   Or maybe you never drove country roads with morning coffee in the cab.   I've pulled over to check my equipment more then once, pissing on my tire in the process.    What are you to do in the Eastern half, where there's almost always a house in sight?   

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13 hours ago, Sol Rosenberg said:

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When picking up a load at Bubba's Alligator and Exotic Pet Farm goes horribly wrong.

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On 3/28/2021 at 10:27 AM, Sol Rosenberg said:

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After analyzing your conclusions, I'm forced to admit wisdom cherry picks two disparate pieces of information and ignores the rest.  Conspiracy theory seems the best fit shape for the observed universe.  The horn and tail cannot withstand scientific scrutiny and should be discarded.   The flying donkey is real.    

On a more serious note, the same cave man brain that saw bears, dogs and flying creatures in the stars has been repurposed to misunderstand the modern world.

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1 hour ago, Lark said:

After analyzing your conclusions, I'm forced to admit wisdom cherry picks two disparate pieces of information and ignores the rest.  Conspiracy theory seems the best fit shape for the observed universe.  The horn and tail cannot withstand scientific scrutiny and should be discarded.   The flying donkey is real.    

On a more serious note, the same cave man brain that saw bears, dogs and flying creatures in the stars has been repurposed to misunderstand the modern world.

And has generated enough light pollution that the constellations are invisible many places.

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On 3/28/2021 at 1:56 PM, Bus Driver said:

Disagree.  Forrest was pure of heart and didn't pretend to be something he wasn't.  His good fortune was luck.

Walter Mitty escaped his ordinary existence through daydreams of fantastic exploits and delusions of grandeur.

 

Pocketa pocketa pocketa

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8 hours ago, Sol Rosenberg said:

Why are they wimping out with just a cease & desist?

Sue the fucker into the ground - take every penny he has and every penny his spawn will have unto the 8th generation.

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