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Hmm, so when do you move the US embassy back to TelAviv ?

https://apnews.com/article/donald-trump-israel-coronavirus-pandemic-west-bank-covid-19-pandemic-c81c0c04d39f43a6d6d2657896c3b75a

WASHINGTON (AP) — The Biden administration is quietly ramping up assistance to the Palestinians after former President Donald Trump cut off nearly all aid. Since taking office with a pledge to reverse many of Trump’s Israeli-Palestinian decisions, the administration has allocated nearly $100 million for the Palestinians, only a small portion of which has been publicized.

The administration announced last Thursday that it was giving $15 million to vulnerable Palestinian communities in the West Bank and Gaza to help fight the COVID-19 pandemic. A day later, with no public announcement, it notified Congress that it will give the Palestinians $75 million for economic support, to be used in part to regain their “trust and goodwill” after the Trump-era cuts.

The State Department declined to comment on the notification, and it wasn’t clear if the $75 million includes the $15 million in pandemic aid. Nevertheless, the funding plan represents a major shift in the U.S. approach to the Palestinians after the mutual recriminations during the Trump years.

In general, the administration supports a resumption in aid to the Palestinians, State Department spokesman Ned Price said.

“We continue to believe that American support for the Palestinian people, including financial support, it is consistent with our values. It is consistent with our interests. Of course, it is consistent with the interests of the Palestinian people. It’s also consistent with the interests of our partner, Israel, and we’ll have more to say on that going forward,” he told reporters.

The administration has made no secret of its belief that Trump’s approach, which alienated the Palestinians, was flawed and made prospects for peace less likely. The new assistance appears aimed at encouraging the Palestinians to return to negotiations with Israel, though there is no indication it will have that effect and Israel’s response has yet to be gauged.

A copy of the March 26 congressional notification from the State Department and U.S. Agency for International Development was obtained by The Associated Press, just hours after the nonpartisan Government Accountability Office issued a report that found USAID had not properly vetted all of its Palestinian funding recipients for U.S. antiterrorism criteria as required by law.

Under U.S. law, the United States may not provide aid to the Palestinian Authority or fund projects it would benefit from as long as the authority pays stipends to the perpetrators and families of those convicted of anti-Israel or U.S. attacks. Such payments were one reason the Trump administration cut off aid. Although none of the assistance is to be provided to the Palestinian Authority, pro-Israel lawmakers, many of them Republicans, are likely to raise objections.

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I'm glad to see Biden walking the walk of a good human being, as opposed to talking the talk of a "religious" con-man, like the former guy.

I won't put Biden on the same level as Jimmy Carter when it comes to human kindness, yet, but he's certainly way above a lot of our recent former guys.

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On 4/3/2021 at 11:47 AM, Mrleft8 said:

I'm glad to see Biden walking the walk of a good human being, as opposed to talking the talk of a "religious" con-man, like the former guy.

I won't put Biden on the same level as Jimmy Carter when it comes to human kindness, yet, but he's certainly way above a lot of our recent former guys.

Did you bother to actually read about the details of this or are you just basing it on Meli, who has demonstrated a willing eagerness to withhold the truth on cases involving Israel?

The USAid money is actually not going to the Palestinians directly, it's being funneled through the Catholic Relief Service.  https://www.usccb.org/issues-and-action/human-life-and-dignity/global-issues/international-assistance

This Humanitarian aid is good, but why the hell do our tax dollars have to go through Catholic Relief Services? What's the point of funneling public tax dollars through a friggen church? Certainly USAid has the resources and knowledge to fund Palestine directly, without dangling it on the end of a Jesus stick ... all the more so because Jews and Christians are a minority in Palestine, with the dominant religion Islam.

 

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42 minutes ago, mikewof said:

Certainly USAid has the resources and knowledge to fund Palestine directly, without dangling it on the end of a Jesus stick ... all the more so because Jews and Christians are a minority in Palestine, with the dominant religion Islam.

Fuck Mikey, you of all people know how this works.

US aid is funneling US taxpayers money into the hands of US corporations under the cover of helping others, you cannot get more deceptive than that.  But wait there's more!

At the same time they stuff the organizations full of informants, spies, so it is an intelligence operation for the CIA.

Then the Steak Knives are making murdering disease spreading Christian look like the good guys!!!

Stop playing fucking dumb Mikey, you have been on the same gravy train for most of your life.

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39 minutes ago, Randro said:

Fuck Mikey, you of all people know how this works.

US aid is funneling US taxpayers money into the hands of US corporations under the cover of helping others, you cannot get more deceptive than that.  But wait there's more!

At the same time they stuff the organizations full of informants, spies, so it is an intelligence operation for the CIA.

Then the Steak Knives are making murdering disease spreading Christian look like the good guys!!!

Stop playing fucking dumb Mikey, you have been on the same gravy train for most of your life.

 

Regardless what you write, I don't pay my bills or put gas in my truck by funneling tax dollars through Christian proselytizing aid agencies.

And I wrote that to MrLeft, because he specifically mentioned that Biden isn't taking a role of "religious con-man" but in fact that's how our tax dollars are going to Palestine, through the funnel of a Christian missionary organization, that freely admits that their aid is administered through Catholic Social Teachings, and run by Bishops and other members of the clergy. https://www.crs.org/about/crs-history

It isn't clear to me why you feel the need to speak for MrLeft while being simultaneously unable to address the Christian-centric issue at hand. Palestine is a predominately Muslim country, about 93% Islamic, so the pretense of giving them their aid through a Christian charity is profoundly offensive to anyone who values ethnic inclusion.

You are apparently incapable of valuing ethnic inclusion, nor in recognizing that neither Israel nor Palestine have a Christian majority, and in fact their predominant religions of Islam, Judaism, Samaritanism, Sufism, etc., take the worship of Christ to be a fundamentally sinful approach to their faiths. Ironically, if the aid was administered through a Jewish relief agency, you and your fellow politicos would likely be jumping up and down like the pundits that you are, regardless that Jewish aid agencies are not allowed to proselytize through the tenants of their faith. And that's fine, you are in fact a largely unknown political pundit, but then why wasn't the aid administered through a Muslim NGO charity relief agency? Why Christian?

And of course the obvious question, which you skirted around very effectively ... why not just administer the aid in Palestine through a SECULAR aid organization?

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25 minutes ago, Randro said:

Fuck Mikey, you of all people know how this works.

US aid is funneling US taxpayers money into the hands of US corporations under the cover of helping others, you cannot get more deceptive than that.  But wait there's more!

At the same time they stuff the organizations full of informants, spies, so it is an intelligence operation for the CIA.

Then the Steak Knives are making murdering disease spreading Christian look like the good guys!!!

Stop playing fucking dumb Mikey, you have been on the same gravy train for most of your life.

 

Regardless what you write, I don't pay my bills or put gas in my truck by funneling tax dollars to Christian proselytizing aid agencies.

Oh yeah,

Bang on the money wasn't I?

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8 minutes ago, mikewof said:

t isn't clear to me why you feel the need to speak for MrLeft while being simultaneously unable to address the Christian-centric issue at hand. Palestine is a predominately Muslim country, about 93% Islamic, so the pretense of giving them their aid through a Christian charity is profoundly offensive to anyone who values ethnic inclusion.

You are apparently incapable of valuing ethnic inclusion.

Ok I'll bite.

Because you as a Jew should understand that positioning Christians as do-gooders, to fuck with the Muslims is the game.  Your repeated playing fucking dumb is obvious to all, and it just convinces any doubters that you are indeed a lying cunt.

 

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16 minutes ago, Randro said:

Ok I'll bite.

Because you as a Jew should understand that positioning Christians as do-gooders, to fuck with the Muslims is the game.  Your repeated playing fucking dumb is obvious to all, and it just convinces any doubters that you are indeed a lying cunt.

 

Once again, it should be obvious to you, that I don't support funneling public tax dollars through any faith-based charity, let alone a Christian one in a country of Muslims.

And regardless what you write, the game is absolutely not to "fuck with the Muslims." The goal of spending public funds from American taxpayers in Palestine is humanitarian, and in fact that is the goal of the aid as defined by the U.S. State Department.

So, how much money have you contributed to the American tax-funded humanitarian relief to Palestine? Ah, yes, that would be zero U.S. dollars and zero U.S. cents. Your opinions here are entirely inapplicable and hypothetical. Perhaps you should comment on Australian humanitarian aid to Palestine. Oh, that's right, you Aussies decided to cut your aid to Palestine by 50% and unlike the USA, you have not reinstated it; https://thepalestineproject.medium.com/australia-cut-humanitarian-aid-to-palestinian-refugees-agency-aefdec8c5064

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2 minutes ago, mikewof said:

The goal of spending public funds from American taxpayers in Palestine is humanitarian, and in fact that is the goal of the aid as defined by the U.S. State Department.

As a system, foreign aid is a fraud and does nothing for inequality

Here’s Why Foreign Aid Is a Scam

 

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US food aid programme criticised as 'corporate welfare' for grain giants

Two-thirds of food for the billion-dollar US food aid programme last year was bought from just three US-based multinationals.

The main beneficiaries of the programme, billed as aid to the world's poorest countries, were the highly profitable and politically powerful companies that dominate the global grain trade: ADM, Cargill and Bunge.

The Guardian has analysed and collated for the first time details of hundreds of food aid contracts awarded by the US department of agriculture (USDA) in 2010-11 to show where the money goes.

ADM, incorporated in the tax haven state of Delaware, won nearly half by volume of all the contracts to supply food for aid and was paid nearly $300m (£190m) by the US government for it. Cargill, in most years the world's largest private company and still majority owned by the Cargill family, was paid $96m for food aid and was the second-largest supplier, with 16% of the contracted volume. Bunge, the US-headquartered global grain trader incorporated in the tax haven of Bermuda, comes third in the list by volume, and was paid $75m to supply food aid.

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Israel is a non-democratic apartheid regime, says rights group

Israel is not a democracy but an “apartheid regime” that enforces Jewish supremacy over all the land it controls, a leading domestic rights group has alleged in a position paper bound to provoke fierce controversy.

“One organising principle lies at the base of a wide array of Israeli policies: advancing and perpetuating the supremacy of one group – Jews – over another – Palestinians,” said B’Tselem, an organisation that documents human rights violations.

Ohad Zemet, the spokesperson for Israel’s UK embassy, dismissed the report as “a propaganda tool”. He added: “Israel rejects the false claims in the so-called report as it is not based on reality but on a distorted ideological view.”

B’Tselem said it rejected the dominant assumption that Israel operates two separate systems of rule concurrently – a democracy within its sovereign territory while maintaining a half-century military grip over Palestinians in the occupied territories.

“Israel is not a democracy that has a temporary occupation attached to it,” said the body’s executive director, Hagai El-Ad. “It is one regime between the Jordan River to the Mediterranean Sea, and we must look at the full picture and see it for what it is: apartheid.”

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2 hours ago, Randro said:

Fuck Mikey, you of all people know how this works.

US aid is funneling US taxpayers money into the hands of US corporations under the cover of helping others, you cannot get more deceptive than that.  But wait there's more!

At the same time they stuff the organizations full of informants, spies, so it is an intelligence operation for the CIA.

Then the Steak Knives are making murdering disease spreading Christian look like the good guys!!!

Stop playing fucking dumb Mikey, you have been on the same gravy train for most of your life.

I can't see how who distributes this is relevant . The AP article just mentions that USAID didn't tick all the boxes about who it distributes funds though.

I'm just glad they're getting it.

Another Strawman from Mike I assume.

On 4/4/2021 at 3:41 AM, AJ Oliver said:

The Western mass media rarely report on the state of Israel's slow motion ethnic cleansing. 

Not a word in that AP article about Israel's Vaxx-Apartheid 

https://www.juancole.com/2021/04/demolished-palestinian-village-araqeeb.html

(Sign me, a former supporter of Israel) 

Why would that article mention Israel's vax apartheid?. They don't mention the state of Netanyahu's legal woes either.

15 Mill of that USAid  is going to pandemic relief. 

West bank and Gaza are slow in Vaxxing but they's got jabs from COVAX now. and some from the UAE

And Israel is now vaxxing it's West bank Palestinian "WIWO" workers.

(usually it's fly in fly out, but in Palestine, they walk)

Israel as usual is dodging it's UN responsibilities

It must be difficult in Gaza getting through the Israeli blockade.

More  here. https://www.bbc.com/news/55800921

World Health Organization (WHO) data shows that there have so far been more than 251,600 confirmed coronavirus cases and more than than 2,670 deaths among Palestinians in the West Bank, Gaza and East Jerusalem.

 

The first consignment of vaccines provided by the Covax scheme to help poorer countries access supplies has now arrived in the West Bank and Gaza.

37,440 doses of Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine and 24,000 doses of AstraZeneca vaccine have been delivered, according to a statement from Unicef.

The international Covax scheme, backed by the WHO, should cover up to 20% of vaccine requirements for the Palestinians.

The Palestinians have sourced some limited quantities of vaccines from elsewhere.

A delivery of 10,000 doses of Russian-made vaccine has arrived, 2,000 of which have been sent on to Gaza. Gaza has also received 20,000 Russian vaccine doses donated by the UAE.

Getting vaccines to Gaza is faced with the logistical challenges of the restrictions imposed on the area, which has been under blockade by Israel and Egypt since the militant Islamist movement Hamas took charge there in 2007.

 

A recent report by the World Bank says that the Palestinians will need more financial and logistical help in order to cover 60% of the population.

Israel says it is giving 5,000 doses to the Palestinians, two thousand of which have been delivered to the West Bank so far.

Whose responsibility is it to vaccinate Palestinians?

The United Nations (UN) human rights body has released a statement saying it's Israel's responsibility to provide equitable access to Covid-19 vaccines for Palestinians in Gaza and the West Bank.

The body says differential access is "morally and legally" unacceptable under international law laid out in the Geneva Conventions on the regulation of occupied territories.

 

(usually it's fly in fly out, but in Palestine, they walk)

Israel as usual is dodging it's UN responsibilities

Palestinians in East Jerusalem have Israeli residency status - so those living there pay Israeli taxes and have access to Israeli health insurance.

 

Israel did not initially offer the vaccine to other Palestinians until early March, when it decided to start vaccinating all Palestinians who come to work in Israel or in Israeli settlements in the West Bank.

There are around 133,000 such workers, according to the Palestinian Central Bureau of Statistics, with many crossing over to Israel from the West Bank on a daily basis.

What's happening in the Palestinian areas?

It's a different picture in the West Bank and Gaza - home to an estimated five million people and regarded as occupied territories by the international community.

Here the vaccination programme has only just got going.

Since early February there has been a sharp rise in both infections and deaths, leading the authorities to impose a lockdown in the West Bank.

World Health Organization (WHO) data shows that there have so far been more than 251,600 confirmed coronavirus cases and more than than 2,670 deaths among Palestinians in the West Bank, Gaza and East Jerusalem.

 

The first consignment of vaccines provided by the Covax scheme to help poorer countries access supplies has now arrived in the West Bank and Gaza.

37,440 doses of Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine and 24,000 doses of AstraZeneca vaccine have been delivered, according to a statement from Unicef.

The international Covax scheme, backed by the WHO, should cover up to 20% of vaccine requirements for the Palestinians.

The Palestinians have sourced some limited quantities of vaccines from elsewhere.

A delivery of 10,000 doses of Russian-made vaccine has arrived, 2,000 of which have been sent on to Gaza. Gaza has also received 20,000 Russian vaccine doses donated by the UAE.

Getting vaccines to Gaza is faced with the logistical challenges of the restrictions imposed on the area, which has been under blockade by Israel and Egypt since the militant Islamist movement Hamas took charge there in 2007.

 

A recent report by the World Bank says that the Palestinians will need more financial and logistical help in order to cover 60% of the population.

Israel says it is giving 5,000 doses to the Palestinians, two thousand of which have been delivered to the West Bank so far.

(these are probably the same batch that they "give" to their WIWO workers)

 

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15 minutes ago, Saorsa said:

What?  Iran blew all that cash Obama gave them?

 

What?  A Trump supporter still here?

How's the butt-hurt now.still stinging?

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8 minutes ago, kent_island_sailor said:

If I sell you an airplane and never deliver it, I am not really "giving" you money when I give you a refund :rolleyes:

 

Subtle nuance.... 

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9 hours ago, Shortforbob said:

I can't see how who distributes this is relevant . The AP article just mentions that USAID didn't tick all the boxes about who it distributes funds though.

I'm just glad they're getting it.

Another Strawman from Mike I assume.

 

You "can't see" how it's relevant that a Christian agency, that openly proselytizes to the predominantly Muslim population of Palestine as a condition of receiving public U.S. tax dollars is "relevant"? Seriously? You actually see this as a "strawman" while simultaneously ignoring the reality that you Australian voters cut off your own aid to Palestine?

You're "just glad they're getting it" is one of the most bloody Colonially British things to write ... yeah, who gives a rat's ass if a bunch of Christians use public tax funds to shit all over their Muslim faith, and then tell them that they're going to burn in Eternal Hell unless they simultaneously accept the "Catholic Teachings" (that's literally in their mission statement) along with their humanitarian aid.

Meli doesn't see a problem with this, and in fact sees it as a "strawman" because she is part of country that withholds their own humanitarian dollars from the Palestinians, while simultaneously telling Americans how we're supposed to do our own humanitarian giving. Just straight up British Colonialism from this one ... draw the lines on the map, force the populace into the British ideal of its subjects, and then claim dominion over everyone else.

Thank goodness you and your kind are increasingly an historical anachronism. Time will bury you and your Christian Hegemony soon enough, and it can't possibly be too soon.

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Just now, Sol Rosenberg said:

Neither of them wear MAGA hats? 

Maybe :rolleyes:

Jane needs food.
Bill gave her some food. Last week Bill had to refund Jim for something Jim bought but Bill never shipped.

Therefore Jim should be feeding Jane because....

umm... wat? - Confused Dog - quickmeme

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9 hours ago, Saorsa said:

What?  Iran blew all that cash Obama gave them?

 

Fuck!  This tired bullshit, again?

How many times do you need this explained to you?

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5 minutes ago, Bus Driver said:

Fuck!  This tired bullshit, again?

How many times do you need this explained to you?

One Russian bullshit meme > vast mountains of facts :rolleyes:

In other news, Hillary sold all our uranium and Dr. Seuss has got the death penalty :lol:

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22 minutes ago, kent_island_sailor said:

One Russian bullshit meme > vast mountains of facts :rolleyes:

In other news, Hillary sold all our uranium and Dr. Seuss has got the death penalty :lol:

And Dr. Jill wears fishnet stockings!

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9 hours ago, kent_island_sailor said:

If I sell you an airplane and never deliver it, I am not really "giving" you money when I give you a refund :rolleyes:

 

That ship was sold to the Shah, not the guys who took over our embassy and held the staff hostage.

 

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4 minutes ago, Saorsa said:

That ship was sold to the Shah, not the guys who took over our embassy and held the staff hostage.

 

Ships were not involved :rolleyes: Besides for that  I doubt the Shah of Iran personally was buying ships and airplanes as his own private property. Does Queen Elisabeth own the RAF?

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48 minutes ago, Saorsa said:

That ship was sold to the Shah, not the guys who took over our embassy and held the staff hostage.

 

So, we were selling weapons not to Saudi Arabia, but to MBS?  Doing business with a murderer.

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13 hours ago, kent_island_sailor said:

Ships were not involved :rolleyes: Besides for that  I doubt the Shah of Iran personally was buying ships and airplanes as his own private property. Does Queen Elisabeth own the RAF?

Fun fact for the day: HMS stands for Her Majesty's Ship"

So, yes, she does own the British military including the RAF.  Although the role of the monarchy has been reduced she is still the titular head of state.

Yes, aircraft and parts were involved but a large part of the money held was from the development and construction of Kidd Class destroyers which were custom designed for Iran and Gulf operations and not delivered.

In addition, over the years various judgements against the state of Iran were paid out supposedly from the funds so they shouldn't have been disbursed.

From April 20, 2016

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-court-iran/u-s-top-court-rules-iran-bank-must-pay-1983-bomb-victims-idUSKCN0XH1R6

The U.S. Supreme Court on Wednesday ruled that almost $2 billion in frozen Iranian assets must be turned over to American families of people killed in the 1983 bombing of a U.S. Marine Corps barracks in Beirut and other attacks blamed on Iran.The court’s 6-2 ruling dealt a setback to Iran’s central bank, finding that the U.S. Congress did not usurp the authority of American courts by passing a 2012 law stating that the frozen funds should go toward satisfying a $2.65 billion judgment won by the families against Iran in U.S. federal court in 2007.

 

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14 hours ago, Saorsa said:

That ship was sold to the Shah, not the guys who took over our embassy and held the staff hostage.

 

How's the Trump defeat sitting with you old cunt?

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37 minutes ago, Saorsa said:

Fun fact for the day: HMS stands for Her Majesty's Ship"

So, yes, she does own the British military including the RAF.  Although the role of the monarchy has been reduced she is still the titular head of state.

Yes, aircraft and parts were involved but a large part of the money held was from the development and construction of Kidd Class destroyers which were custom designed for Iran and Gulf operations and not delivered.

In addition, over the years various judgements against the state of Iran were paid out supposedly from the funds so they shouldn't have been disbursed.

From April 20, 2016

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-court-iran/u-s-top-court-rules-iran-bank-must-pay-1983-bomb-victims-idUSKCN0XH1R6

The U.S. Supreme Court on Wednesday ruled that almost $2 billion in frozen Iranian assets must be turned over to American families of people killed in the 1983 bombing of a U.S. Marine Corps barracks in Beirut and other attacks blamed on Iran.The court’s 6-2 ruling dealt a setback to Iran’s central bank, finding that the U.S. Congress did not usurp the authority of American courts by passing a 2012 law stating that the frozen funds should go toward satisfying a $2.65 billion judgment won by the families against Iran in U.S. federal court in 2007.

 

So you think the Royal Navy and Royal Airforce are the personal boats and airplanes that belong to Queen Elisabeth? So she could - all on her own - take off with say a sub for a cruise to Cancun or something or sell them off to buy a horse?

Bottom line is Iran got their own money back.

 

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1 hour ago, Saorsa said:

Fun fact for the day: HMS stands for Her Majesty's Ship"

So, yes, she does own the British military including the RAF.  ......

 

Quoted for posterity

I hope somebody got the "hydroxychloroquine is actually an FDA approved medication" quote a few weeks back, too

Just so we have a measurement for the highest peaks of stupidity from this source

- DSK

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Well if that is actually true, being king or queen is WAY cooler than I ever thought.  I would do shit like use a destroyer for RC work and dare people to hit me. Go ahead - ram the committee boat - our protest flag fires 5 inch shells.

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Meanwhile, back at the OP . . 

If the US were to make a good faith effort to defend the basic human rights of Palestinians, 

it would go a long way toward reducing anti-US sentiment in the Islamic world. 

All it would take is freezing US military aid to Israel. 

If Biden did that, Israel would make peace in a matter of weeks. 

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6 hours ago, kent_island_sailor said:

So you think the Royal Navy and Royal Airforce are the personal boats and airplanes that belong to Queen Elisabeth? So she could - all on her own - take off with say a sub for a cruise to Cancun or something or sell them off to buy a horse?

Bottom line is Iran got their own money back.

 

No, they are not personal property and nor are the aircraft and ships the personal property of the Ayatollahs.  I'm not sure why you think there is a difference worth exploiting for whatever your purpose might be.

The sequestered funds were supposedly paid out as compensation but suddenly the US treasury is sending pallets of cash in violation of US banking laws and the sanctions which were still in place.

https://apnews.com/article/fd4113419276444eba1d2a46d5c29752

The Obama administration acknowledged late Tuesday that its transfer of $1.7 billion to Iran earlier this year was made entirely in cash, using non-U.S. currency, as Republican critics of the transaction continued to denounce the payments.

Treasury Department spokeswoman Dawn Selak said in a statement the cash payments were necessary because of the “effectiveness of U.S. and international sanctions,” which isolated Iran from the international finance system.

The $1.7 billion was the settlement of a decades-old arbitration claim between the U.S. and Iran. An initial $400 million of euros, Swiss francs and other foreign currency was delivered on pallets Jan. 17, the same day Tehran agreed to release four American prisoners.

The Obama administration had claimed the events were separate, but recently acknowledged the cash was used as leverage until the Americans were allowed to leave Iran. The remaining $1.3 billion represented estimated interest on the Iranian cash the U.S. had held since the 1970s. The administration had previously declined to say if the interest was delivered to Iran in physical cash, as with the principal, or via a more regular banking mechanism.

The Judgement fund https://www.fiscal.treasury.gov/judgment-fund/

It's a nice little slush fund.  It was also used to bail out Obamacare insurers.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/health-science/obama-administration-may-use-obscure-fund-to-pay-billions-to-aca-insurers/2016/09/29/64a22ea4-81bc-11e6-b002-307601806392_story.html

https://www.forbes.com/sites/theapothecary/2016/01/18/how-the-obama-administration-raided-the-treasury-to-pay-off-insurers/?sh=3b5d30c6164d

There was another related problem to take care of to which reinsurance had been the answer.  Under section 1102 of the ACA, the federal government was going to put up $5 billion in 2010 to 2013 to reduce the burden on employers -- mostly state government employees -- and labor unions  that had agreed to provide group health insurance to persons who had retired but who were not yet 65 and eligible for Medicare.  Many sponsors of these plans, particularly the private corporation providers, were dropping them, but this response to rising healthcare costs endangered the ACA. Those newly uninsured people -- the high risk group over age 55 -- would migrate to the Exchanges on the ACA, where their high expenses would drive up premiums and increase the subsidies paid by the federal government.  

That cite doesn't specifically mention the judgement fund but the mechanism is better presented here

https://www.thinkadvisor.com/2020/08/31/u-s-government-starts-making-12-billion-in-aca-risk-corridors-payments/

The U.S. federal government is starting to send health insurers $12 billion in payments for Affordable Care Act (ACA) risk corridors program subsidies for coverage provided in 2014, 2015 and 2016.

The U.S. Department of Health and Human Services (HHS) had failed to make the ACA risk corridors program payments for years, saying that Congress had refused to provide funding for the program.

The U.S. Supreme Court ruled in April that the U.S. government has no right to cut off promised program payments simply because Congress refuses to provide funding. The court gave health insurers permission to seek ACA risk corridors program payments from the Judgment Fund

 

Resources

  • The Judgment Fund payment search system is available here.

  • An article about the possible effects of the Supreme Court ruling on the ACA risk corridors program payments is available here.

The Bureau of the Fiscal Service — an arm of the U.S. Treasury Department — uses the Judgment Fund to make payments to plaintiffs who win lawsuit judgments against the U.S. federal government.

The bureau’s Judgment Fund search system shows that the fund has already sent $129 million in risk corridors payments to the estate of Land of Lincoln Mutual Health Insurance Company.

Looks like you just violate your own law and when you get sued you pay it out of the slush fund.

What a country!!!!

 

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6 hours ago, kent_island_sailor said:

Well if that is actually true, being king or queen is WAY cooler than I ever thought.  I would do shit like use a destroyer for RC work and dare people to hit me. Go ahead - ram the committee boat - our protest flag fires 5 inch shells.

I once (jokingly) suggested a 50mm aimed at the pin end be used as the official starting gun. 

Any boats OCS would have a hole in the bow.  Hard to argue you weren't over the line.

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6 hours ago, kent_island_sailor said:

Well if that is actually true, being king or queen is WAY cooler than I ever thought.  I would do shit like use a destroyer for RC work and dare people to hit me. Go ahead - ram the committee boat - our protest flag fires 5 inch shells.

I nearly rammed an Academy YP that was acting as committee boat on the starting line of the Schooner Race.

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Speaking of slush funds, Congress has it's own funded by the Treasury.

https://reason.com/2017/11/21/how-congress-keeps-its-sexual-harassment/

Under public pressure, the Office of Compliance, which acts as the House's rough simulacrum of a human resources department, released documents showing it had paid out $17 million since 1997 to settle a variety of workplace claims, including sexual harassment.

I'm not sure why they were so upset at Trump paying Stormy out of his own funds.

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4 minutes ago, Saorsa said:

I'm not sure why they were so upset at Trump paying Stormy out of his own funds.

I don't think it was the payment. It was his failure to report the campaign expense, IIRC. Hence, campaign fraud, not a double standard. Sound familiar?

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8 hours ago, AJ Oliver said:

Meanwhile, back at the OP . . 

If the US were to make a good faith effort to defend the basic human rights of Palestinians, 

it would go a long way toward reducing anti-US sentiment in the Islamic world. 

All it would take is freezing US military aid to Israel. 

If Biden did that, Israel would make peace in a matter of weeks. 

Do you think it was the right move the funnel that public money through a Catholic charity, rather than a secular process? Why a Catholic charity that openly and notoriously proselytizes, in an Islamic country? Meli doesn't see it as a problem, do you? Does it matter than Biden is Catholic?

As for U.S. military aid to Israel, the second we cut them off from the gravy train, they're going to make up for lost profits by selling their advanced electronic warfare technology to the Czech Republic, India and China, countries with whom they have little political objection to their own Socialism. It doesn't really matter if you're okay with that or not, what matters is that you recognize that a country filled with some of the most advanced quantum-interference research programs on the planet, has kind of a long stick, when we car barely duck paddle in some of those areas. Thus the reason we have to buy Israeli electronic warfare components, and then bribe them with hardware to keep them from selling the same stuff to China and India.

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27 minutes ago, mikewof said:

As for U.S. military aid to Israel, the second we cut them off from the gravy train, they're going to make up for lost profits by selling their advanced electronic warfare technology to the Czech Republic, India and China, countries with whom they have little political objection to their own Socialism.

Let them . .  

So you're saying that the US is being blackmailed,

and we have no choice but to sacrifice the Palestinians ? 

And this is gibberish . .   ". . . countries with whom they have little political objection to their own Socialism." 

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7 minutes ago, AJ Oliver said:

Let them . .  

So you're saying that the US is being blackmailed,

and we have no choice but to sacrifice the Palestinians ? 

And this is gibberish . .   ". . . countries with whom they have little political objection to their own Socialism." 

While Mikey is capable of producing a gem, most of his prose is gibberish.  Most have made the decision not to spend the time wading through the mud to find the diamond.   

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36 minutes ago, Rain Man said:

Most have made the decision not to spend the time wading through the mud

I occasionally skim through some of this posts - but never read even a tenth of the long ones. 

I very seriously doubt that anyone does. 

And the weird part is that Mike knows this (we've advised him of it), but keeps on writing them . . 

for what purpose I cannot imagine. 

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Just now, AJ Oliver said:

I occasionally skim through some of this posts - but never read even a tenth of the long ones. 

I very seriously doubt that anyone does. 

And the weird part is that Mike knows this (we've advised him of it), but keeps on writing them . . 

for what purpose I cannot imagine. 

He reads them back aloud?

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10 hours ago, AJ Oliver said:

Let them . .  

So you're saying that the US is being blackmailed,

and we have no choice but to sacrifice the Palestinians ? 

And this is gibberish . .   ". . . countries with whom they have little political objection to their own Socialism." 

 

Blackmailed? How did you come up with that? This is inherently political, aren't you some kind of expert on politics?

  1. Israel has the most advanced quantum interference community on the planet,
  2. They have used that community since the 1990s to develop and manufacture the most advanced electronic warfare equipment available,
  3. The USA has purchased that technology, because it's generally more advanced than our own, and we generally stopped making legions of quantum physicists about the time that politicos such as yourself found they could get wealthy by trading money and politics and calling themselves "scientists."
  4. Israel is a Socialist country, straight up. They have little political objection to the aspirations of Czech Republic, of India and even to degrees, of China and Russia. Our concerns about the "creeping threat of communism" didn't hold a lot of water with Israel, that was founded by a bunch of socialists with guns, who farmed tomatoes and cucumbers on communes. In other words, since I have to spell out my "gibberish" for you; OUR worries are not THEIR worries.
  5. Given that, Israel has no problem in selling subsets of their electronic warfare equipment to buyers in India, Czech Republic and even, to some degree, China and Russia, as long as it isn't disseminated to people who want to end Israel, for instance people like Meli, or leaders in Iran.
  6. The USA is not particularly fond of the idea of other countries knowing how our Israeli-designed electronic warfare equipment works, so we say something to the effect of "hey Israel, how much money did you lose on sales by not selling your stuff to the Czechs and Chinese and Indians and Russians?" And then Israel says something like "X-dollars" and we say "we'll make it worth your while, please don't sell it to anyone but us, because we're the USA, the most powerful country on the planet, and we like to keep our shit proprietary as fuck."

So you see this situation, and your response is not "hey, the free economy is global" but rather "hey, Israel is blackmailing us?"

 

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9 hours ago, Rain Man said:

While Mikey is capable of producing a gem, most of his prose is gibberish.  Most have made the decision not to spend the time wading through the mud to find the diamond.   

Apologies for assuming the general intelligence intelligence of my audience, and unfortunately leaving some of you on the fringes.

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9 hours ago, AJ Oliver said:

I occasionally skim through some of this posts - but never read even a tenth of the long ones. 

I very seriously doubt that anyone does. 

And the weird part is that Mike knows this (we've advised him of it), but keeps on writing them . . 

for what purpose I cannot imagine. 

No offense man, but the only thing you've manage to publish that I've ever read is that letter you wrote to the editor when you lived in New Zealand or something.

It read like a letter to the editor from a political professor vacationing in New Zealand. Your i's were dotted, your t's were crossed, and it clearly looked like something you spent three days editing. It also managed to be so utterly forgettable that it said nothing at all worth remembering.

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3 minutes ago, mikewof said:

No offense man, but the only thing you've manage to publish that I've ever read is that letter you wrote to the editor when you lived in New Zealand or something.

It read like a letter to the editor from a political professor vacationing in New Zealand. Your i's were dotted, your t's were crossed, and it clearly looked like something you spent three days editing. It also managed to be so utterly forgettable that it said nothing at all worth remembering.

And, yet, here you are....remembering it.  With startling detail.

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2 hours ago, Bus Driver said:

And, yet, here you are....remembering it.  With startling detail.

You missed the point.

I remember the letter because unlike most of the people here, A.J. actually has the balls to use his real name. I give him lots of credit for that. And I remember that the letter was impeccably edited. Of course, it was a letter to the editor, for all I know, the publication's editors edited it.

But as for the content of the letter, not a clue. I don't even remember the topic ... maybe something related to some lefty peace effort, that's about all I got. But at least I remember more about it than you do. Unless you remember anything at all about the letter, you've reinforced my point.

He bitches because I write fast and loose, I have things to do, and I I'm not going to carefully edit a post on Sailing Anarchy, just a quick edit or two, that's enoug. I also assume the generally high level of intelligence here. Say what we will about PA, the sailing fuckers here are highly intelligent. I don't usually need to spell out every idea, the people here are usually smart enough to get my point, regardless if they agree or not.

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7 hours ago, mikewof said:

You missed the point.

 

He bitches because I write fast and loose

 

Was that a parapraxis ? :D

1 : in a reckless or irresponsible manner played fast and loose with the public purse strings— Paul Stuewe. 2 : in a craftily deceitful way manipulated evidence … and played fast and loose with the truth— C. V. Woodward.
 
 
 
 
 
 
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On 4/6/2021 at 4:19 PM, Danceswithoctopus said:

I don't think it was the payment. It was his failure to report the campaign expense, IIRC. Hence, campaign fraud, not a double standard. Sound familiar?

Why would a blackmail payment necessarily be a campaign expense?

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19 hours ago, Saorsa said:

Why would a blackmail payment necessarily be a campaign expense?

I believe there may be evidence the money was from the campaign coffers.

You don't really think The Former Guy paid his bills with his own money, do you?

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20 hours ago, Saorsa said:

Why would a blackmail payment necessarily be a campaign expense?

Did you fall down the stairs recently? Seems like your posts, never noted for intelligence, have really taken a down turn.

If you pay a certain expense out of campaign funds, what does that make it?

Are there laws about what you can spend money on, in a political campaign?

That's aside from the legality of blackmail under any circumstances

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