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Have a Catalina 275 (3'8" draft), which is only daysailed.  Yes, it is an overweight slug, but the long cockpit is where it shines the most.  I now have a bigger slip than when I purchased the C275 and considering going bigger.  Biggest problem with the harbor is that the entrance can be quite shallow, which did extensive damage to a 4'11" draft Sabre Spirit 36' a few years ago.  This alone eliminates many boats.  Seven years ago, thought about the J/95 (3' draft), but now I'm leaning towards a Pogo 30 and maybe the 36.  Biggest problem I have is convincing my wife who is concerned about all of the depreciation that a more expensive boat will bring.

So, I now have my work cut out for me trying to convince her to consider a new boat.  She likes the C275 cockpit seats which is long enough for her to take a nap on.  The Pogo cockpit seats are not as long.  She also thinks the Pogo 30 backrest netting may be questionable and the Pogo 36 appears to not have any foot chocks like the 30.  Fun is not her concern, but cockpit comfort is.  Anyone with a Pogo 30 or 36 willing to share their opinions of the cockpit?  Additionally, anyone willing to offer a test sail for a covid vaccinated couple?  Wife is vaccinated and I should be fully vaccinated by end of May/beginning of June.  If I can show her a Pogo is really fun, maybe I stand a chance.

Willing to consider other boats (up to 37'), but a shallow draft boat (ideally 3.5' or less) is a must as well as a decent sized cockpit and open stern.

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The key is a lifting keel.

A Seascape/First 27 will rock your world for much less cash. So will First 27.7, but there are only 2 in the USA. But a Pogo will also have to be imported, so maybe that part of the cost model nulls out? If you wanna come try a 27.7, you know how to reach me. Hell, I can also arrange a ride on a Seascape 27. Or a Pogo 12.5 (Bayfield) for that matter.

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Given both the Corsair and Seascape some thought, but would like something bigger in case we decide to cruise from the harbor.  And ideally have a diesel engine, which my wife can easily start if she goes out with friends.  But the 12.5 is too big and even just for a ride would not be a fair comparison.

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Definitely unique, but would not fit the bill.  Too long, still too much draft, too old and with a crew of 10, doesn't look like short handed sailor.  I'm also leaning towards a boat with dual rudders which will greatly reduce weather helm.  When it gets too windy, my wife usually hands the tiller over to me and I don't think that will happen with the Pogo.  That in itself may be a problem as she is going to hog the tiller.

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My misso would vouch for our Pogo40...Its an 09 model, think early C40 with the shallower 2.2m draft, still has runners, and super basic interior.  Have enjoyed the Breton start of winter ~2 degrees C, to the hot Greek summer high 30's C...all with a daughter from 2-5yo over the seasons.  Strong, simple, fast, easy to handle ( can be a bit of a bitch in tight marinas and cross winds...) but Id take it any day over any of the usual mass productions boats Ive skippered working in the Med- think anything new from Benny Oceanis 46's to Lagoon 52's and everything in between.  We're pretty laid back when it comes to comfort and amenities...but everyone has their take on things!  The newer models are much more comfy inside, much better finished, and the swing keel version would be fucking awesome to get in close to shore next to the cats!

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23 hours ago, Codybear said:

I'm also leaning towards a boat with dual rudders which will greatly reduce weather helm.  When it gets too windy, my wife usually hands the tiller over to me and I don't think that will happen with the Pogo.

If the sails aren't properly balanced you can make any boat develop weather helm, no matter what the rudder configuration is.

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It's also true that with twin rudders you don't have to perfectly balance the sails to have a light helm, which seems valuable when discussing cruising boats (or even race boats in breeze when you don't want to do the extra sail change to balance things better).

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I'm a bit late to the conversation but we rented a pogo 36 in the med for a week twice and had a blast (going again in august). The table acts kinda like foot chocks when heeled over. 

Never been on a C275 but the seats look more comfortable than the ones on the pogo 36. The end of the seat against the cabin top is vertical which doesn't lend well to it being a comfortable place to lie down.

One distinct thing we all noticed was the fact that its beam makes the two aft cabins massive for a 36 foot boat. This also extends to the cockpit.

It also has a lot of volume in the bow which makes it slam A LOT beating into waves.

From the fun point of view I can 100 percent vouch for it but it might be a hard sell if your wife is the kind of person who likes having doors and floorboards.

 

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On 4/8/2021 at 1:52 PM, plugger said:

and the swing keel version would be fucking awesome to get in close to shore next to the cats!

When anchoring up I used to get yelled at a lot by all the well intentioned pickle fork owners. It's really hard to semaphore 'don't worry its a swing keel' whilst you're setting the anchor without looking like a deranged loon.

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18 hours ago, jasper7427 said:

 

It also has a lot of volume in the bow which makes it slam A LOT beating into waves.

 

This is one of our current shortlist boats, but given local conditions uphill slamming would be less than ideal.

If you footed off was it tolerable or did it just park in the chop?

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Ohhhh.... you've got a wife that's savvy about cockpit comfort, eh?  Well, actually, that's pretty good.  Rule # 1:  WHATEVER you get, make her comfortable!  (It's why I just got the Admiral's go ahead for a custom design....)

Add up all those fancy vacations you've taken together.... they're 100% depreciation.  Boats 'cost' in so many ways, that the key to your success is helping her understand that boating is just another line item on the budget and that the 'cost' of not having a boat won't be any less affordable....

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On 4/5/2021 at 6:47 PM, Codybear said:

Have a Catalina 275 (3'8" draft), which is only daysailed.  Yes, it is an overweight slug, but the long cockpit is where it shines the most.  I now have a bigger slip than when I purchased the C275 and considering going bigger.  Biggest problem with the harbor is that the entrance can be quite shallow, which did extensive damage to a 4'11" draft Sabre Spirit 36' a few years ago.  This alone eliminates many boats.  Seven years ago, thought about the J/95 (3' draft), but now I'm leaning towards a Pogo 30 and maybe the 36.  Biggest problem I have is convincing my wife who is concerned about all of the depreciation that a more expensive boat will bring.

So, I now have my work cut out for me trying to convince her to consider a new boat.  She likes the C275 cockpit seats which is long enough for her to take a nap on.  The Pogo cockpit seats are not as long.  She also thinks the Pogo 30 backrest netting may be questionable and the Pogo 36 appears to not have any foot chocks like the 30.  Fun is not her concern, but cockpit comfort is.  Anyone with a Pogo 30 or 36 willing to share their opinions of the cockpit?  Additionally, anyone willing to offer a test sail for a covid vaccinated couple?  Wife is vaccinated and I should be fully vaccinated by end of May/beginning of June.  If I can show her a Pogo is really fun, maybe I stand a chance.

Willing to consider other boats (up to 37'), but a shallow draft boat (ideally 3.5' or less) is a must as well as a decent sized cockpit and open stern.

How many days a year do you sail on your boat?

I understand why you would want a new boat even though the CAT 275 is a good, comfortable daysailor.  I do highly recommend a charter a Pogo 30 in Croatia and find out for yourself? Win before you write the big check plus your wife would love an adventure sailing trip to Italy and Croatia. 

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The one thing that Catalina knocked out of the park with the C275 is a longer cockpit at the expense of the cabin. Granted it is a slug, but for daysailing in the cockpit, it pretty much has everything my wife wants. My wife is almost never below, so cabin space is really low on her priority. Lack of doors and floorboards are not the  concern. She actually doesn't mind it. It's all cockpit, cockpit, cockpit. I on the other hand, would love more speed. I definitely have my work cut out for me to convince her to move to something else. In the end, I know my limitations and she will get the final vote. We are based in southern Lake Michigan, so unless we want to cruise for a month during prime boating season, away from friends and a gem of a harbor; daysailing is all we need. And of course, all we need is one big lull in the middle of the lake with biting black (stable) flies, and the idea of cruising Lake Michigan will be over. At least with daysailing, it's head back to the harbor, where the flies don't seem to want to hang out.

Croatia was on the list a couple of years ago (not a Pogo), but Tahiti jumped in front. Then of course, Covid changed those plans and our current concern is using up our $3k credit with Dream Yacht Charters. But maybe when that is over, a trip with friends on a Pogo in Croatia would be worth visiting. Not sure who charter Pogos in Croatia, but certainly worth a look. I can sail out of Martinique, but I much prefer the Grenadines if I'm going to be in that area.

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4 hours ago, smokeless said:

This is one of our current shortlist boats, but given local conditions uphill slamming would be less than ideal.

If you footed off was it tolerable or did it just park in the chop?

We sailed down from roses (North of Barcelona) to Majorca (In the med), all upwind in 20kn. The two non sailors onboard were not exactly thrilled with the banging when the boat came off the top of a wave. Other than that, we had a blast and if we didn't live so far from the sea we would seriously have considered getting one.

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