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3 minutes ago, chum said:

Your crack about my lack of intelligence Because I disagree with your point of view is duly noted. As far as feeling safer, refer to the Chris Rock video.

The Lieutenant in the video was calm and asked reasonable questions.

The charge of "resisting arrest" is used too frequently and way too broadly.  

Those cops were showing what big swinging dicks they were.  When they realized they fucked up, they offered to let him go (which they absolutely should have done, from the get-go) if he would keep it quiet.

In the bodycam footage, Gutierrez is heard telling Nazario he had spoken with the police chief and had two options: the officers could either wait with him until he could drive home -- "go do your deployment, go continue serving my country" -- and release him without charges. Or they could "push the issue," write him a ticket for no license plate display and charge him with obstruction of justice.

"There's no need getting this on your record," Gutierrez is heard saying in the bodycam footage. "If you want to fight it and argue ... if that's what you want, we'll charge you, have you go to court, notify the commander, do all that," Gutierrez said.

Linky.

Fuck them.  They fucked up.  They knew it.  They tried to cover it up.

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Especially if the civilian is a POC.

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Just now, chum said:

Full stop. Go back and educate yourself on how to interact with law enforcement.

Go back and watch the video.  Those cops were out of control.  They violated policy.  Their supervisors agree with me, not you.  A civil rights investigation has been opened.  One has been fired for misconduct.  The city is going to pay millions in a settlement.

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6 minutes ago, jerseyguy said:

https://www.nytimes.com/live/2021/04/14/us/derek-chauvin-trial#kim-potter-charged-daunte-wright
 

Dont know if this is paywalled or not. Cop who shot Duarte will be charged with 2nd degree manslaughter

She is entitled to Due Process.  And, she'll receive it.

Daunte Wright was also entitled.  He didn't.

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20 minutes ago, chum said:

Full stop. Go back and educate yourself on how to interact with law enforcement.

How should one interact with law enforcement, when they stop you for "no license plate" when yes you DO have a license plate clearly displayed; when you are calm and holding both hands up and obviously presenting no threat, and they pepper spray you 3 times?

Educate us all, please.

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Point 1 - why are tasers shaped like pistols with and carried in holsters?  Doesn't that seem just a bit stupid?

Point 2 - Police have become militarized. I still remember the controversy when Houston cops were asking to carry something besides revolvers. Reform the police is a real and needed thing - starting with not defending bad cops. I have LE family and it isn't a topic to bring up, turn a cop in and expect to be on your own for a long time. It's easier to get rid of a bad doctor (and that ain't easy). 

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1 hour ago, jerseyguy said:

https://www.nytimes.com/live/2021/04/14/us/derek-chauvin-trial#kim-potter-charged-daunte-wright
 

Dont know if this is paywalled or not. Cop who shot Duarte will be charged with 2nd degree manslaughter

This shouldn't be paywalled.  https://www.npr.org/2021/04/14/987228386/officer-who-shot-daunte-wright-arrested-to-be-charged-with-2nd-degree-manslaught

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2 hours ago, Mike G said:

The freedoms that come with living in America are vastly different for some people.

 

Any update on this?
What I saw in that video is, at the very least assault, and most probably a hate crime for which that white piece of shit should be prosecuted to the full extent of the law.

I tip my hat to that young African American, he handled himself in an exemplary manner and if I had a choice between having him or that white oaf as a neighbor, there is no question as to who I’d choose.

 

 

Unfortunately, his reaction is the exception rather than the rule and in most of these recent cases, the victim of the police violence in some way contributed to their situation.

And please don’t get me wrong, I’m not for one second trying to imply that we don’t have a policing problem, we absolutely do but nothing in this world is an absolute and we are never going to find a solution until we stop thinking and acting in a binary fashion.

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52 minutes ago, Steam Flyer said:

How should one interact with law enforcement, when they stop you for "no license plate" when yes you DO have a license plate clearly displayed; when you are calm and holding both hands up and obviously presenting no threat, and they pepper spray you 3 times?

Educate us all, please.

- DSK

Last time I was pulled over, for a “faulty marker light”, I immediately lowered the window, turned on my interior lights and put both hands out the window and awaited instructions from the officers.

 

Sad third world shit but that’s the reality of the world in which we live at present.

 

 

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3 hours ago, benwynn said:

I was wondering where I was going to get an actual assessment of the overall issue in this county.  As it turns out, it is the personal experience of one guy in one city, and that person is you.   

Thanks.  Now I know.  It's good to have this unquestionably settled once and for all. 

You’ve an agenda, I get it but your agenda is contributing to the killing African Americans and of police.

 

You need to stop it, you fool.

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On 4/12/2021 at 11:26 AM, AJ Oliver said:

Very soon the Reich will be along to 

attack the character of the victim. 

The thing I noticed in the released Video, which was pretty good, was the perp realizing the first officer was having trouble with the cuffs and he bolted in the car. Then it looked like he was reaching for something across to the passenger side. If I were there I would have been ready to shoot too.

If I were an officer, I would have my taser on my right, I'm right handed, and my side arm on the left in reverse so I could still grab it with my right or left. Shoot that little fucker in the ass with a taser and he would think twice next time

But the one questions remains, Why do so many AA, resist arrest when they find out that they have been caught with outstanding warrants. What a bunch of dipshits. Did they not learn anything in school. Maybe the schools should start teaching kids to have respect for others and this shit would stop.

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25 minutes ago, Sea warrior said:

Last time I was pulled over, for a “faulty marker light”, I immediately lowered the window, turned on my interior lights and put both hands out the window and awaited instructions from the officers.

 

Sad third world shit but that’s the reality of the world in which we live at present.

 

 

That's what this guy did.... wearing an Army uniform no less... and got his life threatened and pepper sprayed 3 times.

You?

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1 hour ago, chum said:

Uhhhhhh,     do      what       you're       told      ?

And then you get pepper sprayed 3 times, once with the officer actually knocking your arm out of the way (from holding both your hands up) and reaching into your car so he can spray you more directly.

Then what?

And let's hear about how important your RIGHTS are when you -must- instantly comply with an order given by the government, or be put to death... this is what you're saying should be the case.

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33 minutes ago, Sea warrior said:

You’ve an agenda, I get it but your agenda is contributing to the killing African Americans and of police.

 

You need to stop it, you fool.

I have an agenda?   I haven't seen it.   Is it a word document or something?  Powerpoint?

I'll need some dates from my agenda so I know whether or not I am on schedule.

If "Make Sea Warrior Look Like an Idiot" is on it, that's obviously completed. 

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Just now, benwynn said:

I have an agenda?   I haven't seen it.   Is it a word document or something?  Powerpoint?

I'll need some dates from my agenda so I know whether or not I am on schedule.

If "Make Sea Warrior Look Like an Idiot" is on it, that's obviously completed. 

Haven't you covered all this in your local antifa support group meetings?

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12 minutes ago, Ishmael said:

Haven't you covered all this in your local antifa support group meetings?

They are pot lucks and to be honest:  I just show up for the pasta salad that somebody brings, as it is amazingly good.

Now, if you will pardon me, I have to go cut the lawn.  It's on my agenda. 

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15 minutes ago, El Mariachi said:

Good on ya boothy, This is fucked up, The kid lived a pretty close apparently.  Duche nozzle and his kin need to be lit up.  Community is questioning the head cop for not pressing assault charges.  

 

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1 hour ago, El Mariachi said:

Have you heard about her 26 year long history in the police department. Concerning another police shooting that happened some time ago? This chick is no saint, that's for damn sure.....

Yep, I did.  Also, that she was involved with training recruits.  Yikes.

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1 hour ago, El Mariachi said:

Something tells me that this fuker got on the phone with either Bekins or Mayflower moving companies less than an hour later, after realizing that half the country now knows what a complete white-trash-racist-cunt he is. And that people know where he lives. No way in hell he's gonna be able to stay there.....might need to pickup a phone book for Iowa or Montana and start calling some property management companies.....

Could be.  Or, he feels perfectly comfortable in the "tight-knit community" where they "take care of each other".  

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11 minutes ago, Bus Driver said:

Could be.  Or, he feels perfectly comfortable in the "tight-knit community" where they "take care of each other".  

Good to see a "tight-knit internet community" taking care of this piece of shit.

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2 minutes ago, El Mariachi said:

It's slow and expensive to open these up on a Mexican beach with like a 1.5 G network. Just wanna know what this fucker's military record looks like? And/or... has he been a racist twat-spud most of his life? 

 

(Trust me, I understand why Americans will pay more to live behind 'The Gates'....but jfc, this was beyond over the top.....:angry:

Fort Jackson Commanding General Jonathan Pentland Responds to Viral Video

Jonathan Pentland, a United States Army sergeant first class, is the subject of an investigation into a viral video from Columbia, South Carolina.

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Jonathan Pentland, a United States Army sergeant first class, is the subject of an investigation into a viral video from Columbia, South Carolina. According to now-deleted images on his unit’s Facebook profile, the 42-year-old Pentland is stationed at Fort Jackson in Columbia. On Tuesday, April 13, 2021, a day after the video was uploaded online, social media users named Pentland.

Pentland is seen kicking, insulting, and shouting at a young Black male named Deandre in the Columbia neighborhood where he lives in the video below.

In the video, which was shared on Facebook, Pentland can be heard asking Deandre to leave the area and questioning him as he claims to live there as well. According to the woman who posted it, the incident occurred on a public sidewalk in Columbia’s Summit area. Pentland also allegedly broke Deandre’s phone, according to her.

 

“This is by no way condonеd by any military mеmbеr,” Fort Jackson Commanding Gеnеral Milford Bеaglе Jr. twееtеd aftеr hundrеds of Twittеr usеrs forwardеd thе vidеo to accounts affiliatеd with Fort Jackson, many accusing Pеntland of discriminatory conduct and wondеring if thе Army condonеd it. Wе’ll gеt to thе bottom of this as soon as possiblе.”

Pеntland and his wifе, Cassiе Pеntland, did not immеdiatеly rеspond to rеquеsts for commеnt from Hеavy. Thе Richland County Shеriff’s Dеpartmеnt, City of Columbia Policе Dеpartmеnt and Fort Jackson and U.S. Army mеdia rеprеsеntativеs also did not immеdiatеly rеspond to rеquеsts for commеnt and morе information.

Hеrе’s what you nееd to know about SFC Jonathan Pеntland and thе viral vidеo:

1. Pеntland Can Bе Hеard in thе Vidеo Saying ‘What Is It That You’rе Doing Hеrе?,’ ‘You Can Walk Away or I’ll Carry You Out of Hеrе’ & ‘You’rе in thе Wrong Nеighborhood Mothеrf*****’

 

The 3-minute virаl video does not show whаt led up to the moment where Pentlаnd wаs confronting the young Blаck mаle on а sidewаlk in his Columbiа neighborhood. It stаrts with Pentlаnd telling Deаndre, “go аwаy right now.” Deаndre tells Pentlаnd to cаll the police аnd Pentlаnd’s wife, Cаssie Pentlаnd, tells him they’ve аlreаdy been cаlled. The couple cаn be heаrd telling Deаndre he wаs “picking fights” with people in the neighborhood.

Pеntland thеn asks him, “What is it that you arе doing hеrе?” and hе rеpliеs, “Walking.” Pеntland thеn says, “Thеn walk.” Dеandrе can bе hеard saying hе is walking back to his housе, and Pеntland’s wifе cuts in and says, “Wеll you’vе bееn hеrе likе 15 minutеs now,” and both Pеntlands thеn tеll him to kееp walking. “Walk away,” Pеntland says. “Walk away right now. You nееd hеlp? I’m happy to hеlp.” Pеntland thеn dеniеs hitting Dеandrе.

“Thеrе’s a diffеrеncе bеtwееn pushing you…,” Pеntland can bе hеard saying. Hе thеn tеlls him hе is “aggrеssing on thе nеighborhood,” and thеn as Dеandrе bеgins walking down thе sidеwalk, Pеntland violеntly shovеs him in thе shouldеr, lifting him off his fееt. Thе Army sеrgеant first class thеn says, “You bеttеr walk away,” and thеn yеlls, “You walk away. You’rе talking to my wifе right now.”

Pеntland says, “You еithеr walk away or I’m going to carry your a** out of hеrе.” Dеandrе tеlls Pеntland not to touch him and Pеntland says, “What arе you going to do?” Hе thеn says, “Lеt’s go, walk away. I’m about to do somеthing to you. You bеttеr start walking right now. … You’rе in thе wrong nеighborhood mothеrf*****. Gеt out.”

Dеandrе thеn tеlls Pеntland hе livеs in thе nеighborhood, and Pеntland asks, “Whеrе? Whеrе’s your housе? What’s your addrеss?” Thе young man says hе doеsn’t havе to tеll him and Pеntland’s wifе thеn says, “Maybе wе should walk you homе.” Thе soldiеr thеn says, “Right now you arе harassing thе nеighborhood. … Wе arе a tight-knit community. Wе takе carе of еach othеr. … I havе nеvеr sееn you bеforе in my lifе.”

Pеntland thеn gеts into Dеandrе’s facе and says, “Chеck it out mothеrf***** I’m not playing with you. You еithеr gеt your a** moving or I’m going to movе you. … I’m about to show you what I can do. You bеttеr walk away. Walk away.”

Thе vidеo was postеd on Facеbook by a Columbia woman, Shirеll Johnson, who said shе was walking in thе nеighborhood with a friеnd, Vinnеtta Yvonnе Knight Osbornе, on Monday night, April 12, 2021, whеn shе was thе incidеnt unfolding. Johnson said in a Facеbook post thе vidеo was rеcordеd by a “young lady,” Shadaе, and givеn to hеr to post onlinе. Johnson said shе, Shadaе and hеr friеnd did not know Dеandrе bеforе Monday night.

“Shе saw thе young man in distrеss and knеw hе didn’t do anything wrong so shе startеd vidеoing for his safеty! (Smart girl❤️). Shе sеnt mе thе vidеo last night and I got thе ok to post it,” Johnson wrotе on Facеbook on April 13. “I havе bееn in contact with both D (as I call him now) to chеck on him and thе young lady Shadaе who did thе vidеo. Both arе doing ok but still procеssing. Last night wе all bondеd bc wе noticеd a young man in distrеss and hе happеnеd to bе black!”

In a longеr vеrsion of thе vidеo postеd by Johnson, Dеandrе can bе hеard tеlling Pеntland hе doеsn’t know him and asking him his namе, which Pеntland rеfusеs to givе him. Hе asks Pеntland if hе is an “officеr of thе law,” and Pеntland rеpliеs, “I’m about to throw you out. I can do a hеll of a lot morе than you think you can. Just movе along.”

Pеntland’s wifе, Cassiе, can bе hеard tеlling Dеandrе, “Sir, you’rе acting likе a child. Movе on. You pickеd a fight with somе random young lady that’s onе of our nеighbors.” Dеandrе can bе hеard tеlling hеr that hе didn’t pick a fight with anyonе, and that hе was thе onе who had somеonе run up to him.” Thе vidеo еnds as Johnson and hеr friеnd walk up and intеrvеnе.

Johnson addеd, “Wе waitеd with him until thе officеr arrivеd and wе rеpеatеdly informеd thе officеr that D was assaultеd (you all didn’t sее thе sеcond instancе) whеn hе slappеd his hand and his phonе fеll and crackеd. Thе officеr told us that his supеrvisor told him that hе could only chargе thе whitе guy with malicious injury to propеrty and not assault!”

According to Johnson, Dеandrе livеs in thе Summit nеighborhood not far from whеrе thе incidеnt occurrеd in a plannеd community callеd Thе Lakеs at Barony Placе. Shе said hе has bееn “walking plеnty of timеs and hе livеs in thе summit!” Shе addеd, “Dеandrе was calm throughout.”

Johnson addеd, “Vinnеtta and I only wantеd to gеt D to safеty bc thе situation was gеtting out of control and that whitе guy was vеry angry and yеlling at him ovеrpowеring him. Wе circlеd back to gеt him out of that situation bc wе rеfusеd to sее D go to jail or lying thеrе dеad simply bc hе was black. Thе only thing hе did was bе black whilе walking!!!”

Columbia rеsidеnts havе rеachеd out to thе Richland County Shеriff’s Dеpartmеnt asking why chargеs wеrеn’t filеd. Onе woman wrotе on Facеbook on thе dеpartmеnt’s pagе, “Why was Jonathan Pеntland only issuеd a citation for propеrty damagе whеn hе is on vidеo clеarly assaulting a young man and thеrе wеrе multiplе witnеssеs stating thеy saw thе assault? Who was thе RCSD supеrvisor who issuеd thе dirеctivе not to procееd with assault chargеs? Why wеrе thе propеr chargеs not filеd? Is this thе narrativе that RCSD wants to support-that a strangеr can walk up to you during your aftеrnoon walk and assault you with no consеquеncеs?”

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5 minutes ago, Gone Drinking said:

Meanwhile the DC Capitol police officer that shot Ashli Babbett will not be charged.  So shooting a white unarmed white female who's only crime was trespassing and breaking a window was justified???? 

He was charged with protecting lawmakers from the mob.  She was clearly intending to do a little more than shake hands.

Maybe one of the folks who often tout "If you comply with the cops, you won't get hurt" can chime in here.

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16 minutes ago, Gone Drinking said:

Meanwhile the DC Capitol police officer that shot Ashli Babbett will not be charged.  So shooting a white unarmed white female who's only crime was trespassing and breaking a window was justified???? 

Obviously. They should have shot them all for treason and sedition. They can’t even tell anyone where she is buried or her coffin will melt from all the urine. 

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What is this? False equivalency day? Between QU's comparing of COVID to AIDS (wrt vaccine passports), and GD's comparing the DC Police officer who shot (alleged seditionist) Babbett with a cop who kills a black person in a traffic stop, it sure seems like it.

Oh well, have at it . . .

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2 hours ago, benwynn said:

I have an agenda?   I haven't seen it.   Is it a word document or something?  Powerpoint?

I'll need some dates from my agenda so I know whether or not I am on schedule.

If "Make Sea Warrior Look Like an Idiot" is on it, that's obviously completed. 

Be careful, he’s an immigrant. I hear they are dangerous. 

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1 hour ago, Gone Drinking said:

Meanwhile the DC Capitol police officer that shot Ashli Babbett will not be charged.  So shooting a white unarmed white female who's only crime was trespassing and breaking a window storming the room the Vice President of the US was in was justified???? 

What happened to obeying the commands of police?

Generally, people who are using deadly force in the vicinity of the President and Vice President are given a pretty low threshold before being taken out. Especially when they've been chanting death threats against the Pres. or V.P.

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Dear Chum,  

Before you post legal opinions, do some research.  A cop yelling "Get out of the car" while pointing a gun at someone does not make it anything a "legal order".   Don't confuse something said by a an "officer of the law" with a statement that automatically has legal validity.  

There was no explanation, no probable cause, no threat, no evidence of any violation.    And ultimately the cop started back pedalling fast trying to make sure the driver/victim didn't push what happened up the ladder.  Given some time to cool down, the cop knew he had fucked up and was at risk.  He was correct.  He's out of a job...for trying to enforce a non-legal order by physical assault and intimidation. 

Ooopsy.  Lesson learned by the cop?  It seems so.  But not, apparently, by you.

Sincerely,

Karma

 

 

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6 hours ago, El Mariachi said:

Seriously? You got THAT out of what I wrote?

And you fuking wonder why this country is so racially divided.....while you post up your g-damn crap like THAT? Nice job, Hat-of-Ass...way to help to 'unite' our country. Jeezis key-rhyst.....

It’s questionable if this is your country.  Evidence suggests your country of choice is Mexico and it’s unclear that you can recross the border.

 

Just saying..

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1 hour ago, Gone Drinking said:

Meanwhile the DC Capitol police officer that shot Ashli Babbett will not be charged.  So shooting a white unarmed white female who's only crime was trespassing and breaking a window was justified???? 

This is the stupidest thing I’ve Read on PA today and my way of context Rickie has posted several times already.

Troubling.

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8 minutes ago, Fakenews said:

This is the stupidest thing I’ve Read on PA today and my way of context Rickie has posted several times already.

Troubling.

GD does set the bar whenever it posts.

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2 hours ago, Gone Drinking said:

Meanwhile the DC Capitol police officer that shot Ashli Babbett will not be charged.  So shooting a white unarmed white female who's only crime was trespassing and breaking a window was justified???? 

Personally I listened to what many insurrectionists were saying,   It’s a civil war.   They tried to overthrow an election, it’s ok to shoot them.   That’s implied by the word “war”

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4 minutes ago, Lark said:

Personally I listened to what many insurrectionists were saying,   It’s a civil war.   They tried to overthrow an election, it’s ok to shoot them.   That’s implied by the word “war”

The Congress was in session when they stormed the building. I was shocked that they didn’t martyr everyone who entered the building without authority or assaulted a cop. 

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5 minutes ago, Lark said:

Personally I listened to what many insurrectionists were saying,   It’s a civil war.   They tried to overthrow an election, it’s ok to shoot them.   That’s implied by the word “war”

Many of the pre-insurrection (failed, ill-conceived and chaotic) postings included phrases like, "I am prepared to die for our pResident," and "This is war."  So...shit happens, right?   

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2 minutes ago, Sol Rosenberg said:

The Congress was in session when they stormed the building. I was shocked that they didn’t martyr everyone who entered the building without authority or assaulted a cop. 

Maybe not so shocking.

Latest information coming out was that the Capitol cops were explicitly instructed by their leadership to not use their "heavier" crowd-control gear and munitions.  Thus no stun grenades or rubber bullets or such.   Apparently much of the cops anti-riot gear was sequestered in a locked bus nearby that the cops on site didn't have a key to access.  

So...it appears that perhaps some folk were hoping for a different outcome????  Maybe???

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4 minutes ago, Left Shift said:

Maybe not so shocking.

Latest information coming out was that the Capitol cops were explicitly instructed by their leadership to not use their "heavier" crowd-control gear and munitions.  Thus no stun grenades or rubber bullets or such.   Apparently much of the cops anti-riot gear was sequestered in a locked bus nearby that the cops on site didn't have a key to access.  

So...it appears that perhaps some folk were hoping for a different outcome????  Maybe???

Of course.    They expected Trump would be brave enough to lead his troops,    They thought the militias would be a little more effective since they held such a numerical advantage and talked real tough online.   Those that wanted a revolution were very disappointed.   

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5 hours ago, Steam Flyer said:

That's what this guy did.... wearing an Army uniform no less... and got his life threatened and pepper sprayed 3 times.

You?

- DSK

I complied and was let go with a warning.

If I received a command to exit the vehicle I’d politely ask why but would comply.

 

My wife, a woman of color always complies and get this, even though she has a lead foot, she’s only ever received one ticket in her life, and that ticket the judge threw out because the jurisdiction in which she received it is a notorious revenue machine and the judge acknowledged as much to her. 

Set a positive tone for the interaction and chances are you’ll be just fine no matter what your skin color. 

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5 hours ago, benwynn said:

I have an agenda?   I haven't seen it.   Is it a word document or something?  Powerpoint?

I'll need some dates from my agenda so I know whether or not I am on schedule.

If "Make Sea Warrior Look Like an Idiot" is on it, that's obviously completed. 

Of course you’ve an agenda.

I’d say you and your ilk are more destructive to race relations than the KKK or the most diabolical police person could ever possibly hope to be.

You don’t give two flying fucks about equality or race relations, you only care about virtue signaling and using the misfortune that is upon us in this country to further your sinister political agenda.

 

Unfortunately, Puke like you are to self absorbed to see what the rest of us see in you.

 

 

 

 

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2 hours ago, MR.CLEAN said:

Be careful, he’s an immigrant. I hear they are dangerous. 

Hey there, 

you’ve been away for awhile I see.

Busy fucking over old ladies and the less fortunate as usual I presume....

 

 

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27 minutes ago, Steam Flyer said:

Philando Castile will be delighted to hear the good news

- DSK

That was the actions of a coward who had no business ever being a police officer.

But did you really have to go back to 2016 to find an example to suit your narrative?

 

Ps. Personally, I don’t believe in conceal carry because of this and other relatable reasons..

 

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1 hour ago, Sol Rosenberg said:

The Congress was in session when they stormed the building. I was shocked that they didn’t martyr everyone who entered the building without authority or assaulted a cop. 

 Keeping an officer's firearm holstered when beating on him takes white magic.   

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One does NOT have to comply with a police officer's order. One may regret the results.

A police officer (or deputy sheriff, etc) is just a civil employee with a mandate to enforce or implement the laws of the jurisdiction they are working in. (Usually this includes the entire state in the case of a local cop)

HOWEVER. they are not mandated to use unreasonable force against anyone, at any time, ever. UNREASONABLE being the key word.

 In many jurisdictions, when a vehicle chase goes above the posted speed limit, the officer is supposed to suspend the chase. Usually by then they have the tag, and know where the suspect is going to end up. Better to back off, than to have a car load of senior prom kids wrapped around an Oak tree at 90MPH.

There is no good reason that a 26 year veteran FTO should have drawn her side arm on a guy with a simple traffic warrant and resisting arrest.

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9 minutes ago, El Mariachi said:

Is it true that this Daunte guy's outstanding warrant was for something to do with an 'illegal' firearm charge of some sort?....

Last I heard it was a traffic violation warrant. I could be wrong.

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This  >   https://www.foxnews.com/us/daunte-wright-had-outstanding-warrant-for-attempted-aggravated-robbery-when-he-was-killed

 

"Wright then allegedly pulled a black handgun "with silver trim out from either his right waistband or his right coat pocket," pointed it at the woman and demanded the $820, the court documents say

The victim asked him, "Are you serious?" to which he allegedly responded, "Give me the f---ing money, I know you have it," according to the court documents.

When she asked again if he was serious, he allegedly told her, "I’m not playing around."  

Wright then allegedly choked the woman while trying to pull the cash out from under her bra, where she had tucked it away.

The court documents say she was able to pry herself loose and "started to kneel down and scream." She told authorities that she allegedly heard Driver tell her to give the money to Wright, who was yelling at her to stop screaming.

She reportedly screamed at them to get out of her apartment, telling them that the cops were close. Wright allegedly told her he would shoot her and said, "Give me the money and we will leave, give me the money and we will go."

He allegedly tried to choke her a second time and tried to take her money, according to the court documents. Driver allegedly told her to give Wright the money. The two men then left the apartment, got into a white Cadillac, and left the scene without the money. The woman later identified Wright and Driver via photo line-ups.
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14 minutes ago, Sailor Y said:

This  >   https://www.foxnews.com/us/daunte-wright-had-outstanding-warrant-for-attempted-aggravated-robbery-when-he-was-killed

 

"Wright then allegedly pulled a black handgun "with silver trim out from either his right waistband or his right coat pocket," pointed it at the woman and demanded the $820, the court documents say

The victim asked him, "Are you serious?" to which he allegedly responded, "Give me the f---ing money, I know you have it," according to the court documents.

When she asked again if he was serious, he allegedly told her, "I’m not playing around."  

Wright then allegedly choked the woman while trying to pull the cash out from under her bra, where she had tucked it away.

The court documents say she was able to pry herself loose and "started to kneel down and scream." She told authorities that she allegedly heard Driver tell her to give the money to Wright, who was yelling at her to stop screaming.

She reportedly screamed at them to get out of her apartment, telling them that the cops were close. Wright allegedly told her he would shoot her and said, "Give me the money and we will leave, give me the money and we will go."

He allegedly tried to choke her a second time and tried to take her money, according to the court documents. Driver allegedly told her to give Wright the money. The two men then left the apartment, got into a white Cadillac, and left the scene without the money. The woman later identified Wright and Driver via photo line-ups.

According to FOX news..... OK.... That's good enough for me....:rolleyes:

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1 hour ago, Sea warrior said:

I complied and was let go with a warning.

If I received a command to exit the vehicle I’d politely ask why but would comply.

 

My wife, a woman of color always complies and get this, even though she has a lead foot, she’s only ever received one ticket in her life, and that ticket the judge threw out because the jurisdiction in which she received it is a notorious revenue machine and the judge acknowledged as much to her. 

Set a positive tone for the interaction and chances are you’ll be just fine no matter what your skin color. 

 

Show me your hands.

Undo your seatbelt and step out of the car.

Which order do you comply wth? You can't do both.

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"Well which is it you want young feller? Iff'n I get down on the ground, I can't rightly put my hands up, But iff'n my hands are up......"

"SHUT UP!"

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3 minutes ago, El Mariachi said:

Why don't you Google this on 382 other news sources....and see which description of his actions makes your vagina calm down?.....

It's nice to see that the crabs have you by the short hairs again.

 Now go fuck yourself, like you did this morning when no one was watching.

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56 minutes ago, another 505 sailor said:

 

Show me your hands.

Undo your seatbelt and step out of the car.

Which order do you comply wth? You can't do both.

First you show your hands, then you ask to use one hand to undo the seatbelt and then wait for the command.

 

Remember, 99.9% in these interactions we get to choose the outcome.

the First mistake the army dude made was not pulling over immediately after being lit up.

The other guy which this thread is about tried to flee. 


The popo aren’t the only common denominator in these equations you know?

 

 

 

 

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Humph.

He had legally documented his car, his insurance and his right to drive. He was complying in a safe manner with instructions, but he’s still got to be worried enough to ask permission to follow commands spoken by an agitated and incompetent cop?

I say incompetent because the cop’s instincts were wrong about the man he was questioning, his basis for the questioning was factually incorrect, and his actions  got him fired.

23 minutes ago, Sea warrior said:

First you show your hands, then you ask to use one hand to undo the seatbelt and then wait for the command.

You can defend reasonable policing, but this ain’t it.

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2 hours ago, Sea warrior said:

Of course you’ve an agenda.

I’d say you and your ilk are more destructive to race relations than the KKK or the most diabolical police person could ever possibly hope to be.

You don’t give two flying fucks about equality or race relations, you only care about virtue signaling and using the misfortune that is upon us in this country to further your sinister political agenda.

Unfortunately, Puke like you are to self absorbed to see what the rest of us see in you.

It's the level of detail that reveals you to be delusional.  I haven't really had much to say on the subject, but you already claim to know what I don't give a fuck about, what I really care about, and that I have some "sinister political agenda".  

Sinister.  I like that.  Maybe I should shave my head, wear a nehru jacket, and get a fucking cat.

Anybody know where I can get a good deal on a death ray?  It's on my "sinister political agenda" right after buying a pizzeria with a basement.

 

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58 minutes ago, phillysailor said:

Humph.

He had legally documented his car, his insurance and his right to drive. He was complying in a safe manner with instructions, but he’s still got to be worried enough to ask permission to follow commands spoken by an agitated and incompetent cop?

I say incompetent because the cop’s instincts were wrong about the man he was questioning, his basis for the questioning was factually incorrect, and his actions  got him fired.

You can defend reasonable policing, but this ain’t it.

Assuming you’re referring to the army dude, let me repeat,I’m in no way trying to defend the actions of the cop. They were atrocious.

But I do understand what triggered him. And that was the failure of the Lieutenant to pull over right after being lit up. 
It doesn’t matter that the reason isn’t justifiable, the only thing that should matter  is getting through the interaction safely. 
 

Every day I go into the city I have to remind myself to bite my tongue with all the roadragers, cops thugs and criminals because to me they are pretty much all the same. Impulsive unintelligent fucks with fuck all to lose and the capability of incredibly stupid actions with a little regard for the consequences.

 

Since I’ve adopted this philosophy my life has improved a thousand fold.

 

 

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1 hour ago, Fakenews said:

Incorrect dipshit.  You are such a loser.

Shut the fuck up you nincompoop.

I swear, I take shits that are more interesting than you you racist piece of human dung.


 

lol

 

 

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58 minutes ago, benwynn said:

It's the level of detail that reveals you to be delusional.  I haven't really had much to say on the subject, but you already claim to know what I don't give a fuck about, what I really care about, and that I have some "sinister political agenda".  

Sinister.  I like that.  Maybe I should shave my head, wear a nehru jacket, and get a fucking cat.

Anybody know where I can get a good deal on a death ray?  It's on my "sinister political agenda" right after buying a pizzeria with a basement.

 

Yawn

 

You aren’t convincing or fooling anybody.

 

On behalf of my children and all those who are genuinely interested in harmony between the races, Quit being part of the problem you wanker you.

 

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1 hour ago, Sea warrior said:

Yawn

You aren’t convincing or fooling anybody.

On behalf of my children and all those who are genuinely interested in harmony between the races, Quit being part of the problem you wanker you.

I'm not trying to convince or fool anyone.  I'm simply observing that you are making very specific descriptions of my thought processes with very little information to go on.  More bluntly, you are making shit up in your head.

Do you think you are convincing or fooling anybody?  I mean anybody here?  Because if I were to take an informal poll, I'd say the results would reflect most here thinking you are a fucking moron. 

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1 hour ago, benwynn said:

I'm not trying to convince or fool anyone.  I'm simply observing that you are making very specific descriptions of my thought processes with very little information to go on.  More bluntly, you are making shit up in your head.

Do you think you are convincing or fooling anybody?  I mean anybody here?  Because if I were to take an informal poll, I'd say the results would reflect most here thinking you are a fucking moron. 

poll? he's most definitely pulling some shit out his ass that wouldn't even fool most kindergartners. 

these fkn' right-wing assholes have some interesting 'debate' boundaries; it's all spittle, bullshit and no substance (but look what they have at their disposal). 

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3 hours ago, benwynn said:

Anybody know where I can get a good deal on a death ray?  It's on my "sinister political agenda" right after buying a pizzeria with a basement.

Maybe you could rent time on one of those 'Jewish space lasers' that are supposedly up there. I hear they're mounted in the same satellites that are broadcasting the 5G mind control rays.

Ask Elon. He's the one boosting a shit-ton of private satellites into orbit.

More pertinently, I find that simply ignoring sea wanker's posts saves time. It's not like he ever posts anything intelligent or funny.

FKT

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5 hours ago, benwynn said:

I'm not trying to convince or fool anyone.  I'm simply observing that you are making very specific descriptions of my thought processes with very little information to go on.  More bluntly, you are making shit up in your head.

Do you think you are convincing or fooling anybody?  I mean anybody here?  Because if I were to take an informal poll, I'd say the results would reflect most here thinking you are a fucking moron. 

There are a wealth of sources to view or listen to, if you want to know what liberals think. 

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5 hours ago, Fah Kiew Tu said:

Maybe you could rent time on one of those 'Jewish space lasers' that are supposedly up there. I hear they're mounted in the same satellites that are broadcasting the 5G mind control rays.

Ask Elon. He's the one boosting a shit-ton of private satellites into orbit.

More pertinently, I find that simply ignoring sea wanker's posts saves time. It's not like he ever posts anything intelligent or funny.

FKT

Hey!!!!!! Leave Elon alone!  Hopefully he's going to be giving me internet here in a month or two since I've paid the down payment and am waiting on the equipment.

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5 hours ago, Fah Kiew Tu said:

Ask Elon. He's the one boosting a shit-ton of private satellites into orbit.

I still cannot believe he is getting away with that many LEO satellites, must be something in it for US declining global domination

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15 minutes ago, Grrr... said:

Hey!!!!!! Leave Elon alone!  Hopefully he's going to be giving me internet here in a month or two since I've paid the down payment and am waiting on the equipment.

I think Elon's a total nutcase, but I admire his drive and willingness to take engineering risks. He's one of the few people with serious money who do *something* with it, other than the usual spend on politicians, hookers and blow.

Anyone who's prepared to keep on blowing up expensive space launch vehicles while working through the engineering bugs gets a lot of credit.

I'll even overlook his installation of the space lasers and mind control gear. Not like the mind control stuff is going to work on all the Q clowns anyway. First, there has to be a mind.

FKT

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13 hours ago, El Mariachi said:

Is it true that this Daunte guy's outstanding warrant was for something to do with an 'illegal' firearm charge of some sort?....

owning a gun while black, probably. for the rest of the country there are really no gun laws.

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10 hours ago, benwynn said:

I'm not trying to convince or fool anyone.  I'm simply observing that you are making very specific descriptions of my thought processes with very little information to go on.  More bluntly, you are making shit up in your head.

Do you think you are convincing or fooling  anybody?  I mean anybody here?  Because if I were to take an informal poll, I'd say the results would reflect most here thinking you are a fucking moron. 

In this cesspit of stupidity?

Theres an old saying that “you can’t fix stupid” and I’ve no intention of wasting my time trying.

 

You and virtue signaling nincompoops like you can only exist in a bubble, that’s why you gravitate towards places like this and cyber bully those who dare to think objectively.

 

be sure to hit the downvote button you pathetic pussy you.

 

 

lol
 

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11 hours ago, benwynn said:

I'm not trying to convince or fool anyone.  I'm simply observing that you are making very specific descriptions of my thought processes with very little information to go on.  More bluntly, you are making shit up in your head.

Do you think you are convincing or fooling anybody?  I mean anybody here?  Because if I were to take an informal poll, I'd say the results would reflect most here thinking you are a fucking moron. 

Only if there was no lesser option. 

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Back to the OP topic.....  Ok I'm getting fucking sick and tired of hearing politicians, Civil rights leaders and such say this shooting was not an accident.  WTAF?  

It was either an accidental fuckup (but a serious FU nonetheless) or she planned this months in advance, practiced it over and over and rehearsed what she was going to say and then was just waiting for the right circumstances to come along.  If you think the later is true, then this chick cop deserves a fucking Oscar nomination - because that's one hell of an acting job.  

And to be clear, None of the above can be construed in any way as an excuse for her actions.  There are none.  She fucked up, plain and simple and should pay whatever the consequences of that fuckup are that a jury decides on.  But it was not intentional.

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Furthermore, if Deonte had complied with instructions and not tried to wrestle free, get into his car and flee - he would not have been a candidate to be tased and then accidentally shot.  He would be in jail right now, or probably out on bond by now and awaiting his arrangement for his outstanding arrest warrant.  

Just saying.  

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8 minutes ago, Burning Man said:

Back to the OP topic.....  Ok I'm getting fucking sick and tired of hearing politicians, Civil rights leaders and such say this shooting was not an accident.  WTAF?  

It was either an accidental fuckup (but a serious FU nonetheless) or she planned this months in advance, practiced it over and over and rehearsed what she was going to say and then was just waiting for the right circumstances to come along.  If you think the later is true, then this chick cop deserves a fucking Oscar nomination - because that's one hell of an acting job.  

And to be clear, None of the above can be construed in any way as an excuse for her actions.  There are none.  She fucked up, plain and simple and should pay whatever the consequences of that fuckup are that a jury decides on.  But it was not intentional.

The action of reaching to her waist, drawing a weapon and aiming the weapon were not accidental. Nobody bonked a rubber hammer below her knee, setting off a reflexive action by her arm. She chose to do that.  It isn't all or nothing...there are decisions made in the heat of the moment. She decided to do those things. They were intentional. Now, did she decide to squeeze the trigger or was it an accident? Did she really mistake a deadly weapon for a non-deadly one? Those should be questions for a finder of fact. 

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2 minutes ago, Sol Rosenberg said:

The action of reaching to her waist, drawing a weapon and aiming the weapon were not accidental. Nobody bonked a rubber hammer below her knee, setting off a reflexive action by her arm. She chose to do that.  It isn't all or nothing...there are decisions made in the heat of the moment. She decided to do those things. They were intentional. Now, did she decide to squeeze the trigger or was it an accident? Did she really mistake a deadly weapon for a non-deadly one? Those should be questions for a finder of fact. 

Yes of course she made a conscious decision to draw A weapon.  Just not the one she thought it was.

If she had really ended up tazing the kid, we wouldn't even be hearing about this incident at all.  Because the discussion is not about the right or wrong of tazing someone, bro.  People whose voices are being listened to are saying this was a deliberate killing.  They are creating an unnecessarily volatile situation that's likely to get even MOAR people hurt or killed.  .

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1 minute ago, Burning Man said:

Yes of course she made a conscious decision to draw A weapon.  Just not the one she thought it was.

If she had really ended up tazing the kid, we wouldn't even be hearing about this incident at all.  Because the discussion is not about the right or wrong of tazing someone, bro.  People whose voices are being listened to are saying this was a deliberate killing.  They are creating an unnecessarily volatile situation that's likely to get even MOAR people hurt or killed.  .

What she intended to draw should be a question for a jury. That is what I take issue with, from what little I've seen. The shooter has been allowed to set the scope of the trial after the shooting.  (pssst.  here's what you need to say to limit this to a manslaughter case....)  That is bullshit. It should be treated as an affirmative defense and a jury should consider it.