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Well, The Human Pez-Dispenser-in-Chief DID tell Americans not too long ago....that all we needed was a shotgun for self defense. So I'm just putting this one down as one more senseless tragedy in the Today's Biden Deaths thread (that I haven't yet started.....yet).....

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25 minutes ago, El Mariachi said:

Well, The Human Pez-Dispenser-in-Chief DID tell Americans not too long ago....that all we needed was a shotgun for self defense. So I'm just putting this one down as one more senseless tragedy in the Today's Biden Deaths thread (that I haven't yet started.....yet).....

Is the gunman reported as a victim of mass shooting or of suicide?

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40 minutes ago, warbird said:

Is the gunman reported as a victim of mass shooting or of suicide?

Depends on who you ask;

CNN

MSLSD

The Gnu Yawk Thymes

Donny Lemonade

Da View

NPR

Mother Jones

Daily Kos

Michelle

Hillary

Telemundo

The Hell-A Times

The Young Jerks

69.34% of the Political Anarchy crew

Scot

Ted Cruz

Floridians

Alabama's

Texans

Nancy

Govvy Gnusome

DeNiro

Chelsea Handler

Cal Guns

And Vox

 

Have fun.....:lol:

 

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3 hours ago, kent_island_sailor said:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2021/04/16/indianapolis-fedex-shooting-airport/

A gunman killed eight people and then apparently turned his weapon on himself at a FedEx facility in Indianapolis on Thursday, in a mass shooting that left several others injured, authorities said.

More like a 4th Amendment solution.  Mental health and privacy..... a volatile mix.

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18 minutes ago, kent_island_sailor said:

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We definitely do have a way to prevent this.  But it would mean some pretty draconian limits and intrusions on our privacy rights.  Along with our 5th Am due process and 1st Am rights as well.  

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Just now, Burning Man said:

We definitely do have a way to prevent this.  But it would mean some pretty draconian limits and intrusions on our privacy rights.  Along with our 5th Am due process and 1st Am rights as well.  

But I guess children < privacy, huh?

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1 minute ago, Burning Man said:

We definitely do have a way to prevent this.  But it would mean some pretty draconian limits and intrusions on our privacy rights.  Along with our 5th Am due process and 1st Am rights as well.  

Jeff is right. It would require the same draconian invasions of privacy which are necessary for driving a car or flying a plane.

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Can someone explain the draconian measures taken by Canada and the UK?

If nerve gas were sold over the counter in Outer BFE and they killed each other with nerve gas routinely, would your advice be to see why the citizens  of Outer BFE were so crazy and lock the nuttier ones up or maybe - just maybe - stop selling nerve gas to one and all?

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Looks like it was a Ruger AR-556. Get your orders in boys.

Jeff will be along shortly to tell us the monumental differences between the 556 and an AR-15, important differences that only a gun grabber would get wrong. Boothy will do his Bill the Cat imitation. Tom will tell a knock knock joke:

Did you hear about that chick who got shot at the Capitol?

Yeah, she flew to DC in Delta and came back in Spirit.
 
Tom, knock knock jokes start with knock knock.
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1). The Feds knew about this fuker a year ago.

 

2). Shotgun reference is in article (my bad, but it's what I heard on the radio first thing this morning).

 

3). Cries for help and knowing this guy was troubled....go no where.

 

 

4). One more senseless mass shooting.....that could have been prevented...if only people would grow some fuking balls....

 

5). And do their fuking jobs. Fuk.....:angry:

 

 

https://www.nytimes.com/live/2021/04/16/us/indianapolis-fedex-shooting

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51 minutes ago, El Mariachi said:

1). The Feds knew about this fuker a year ago.

 

2). Shotgun reference is in article (my bad, but it's what I heard on the radio first thing this morning).

 

3). Cries for help and knowing this guy was troubled....go no where.

 

 

4). One more senseless mass shooting.....that could have been prevented...if only people would grow some fuking balls....

 

5). And do their fuking jobs. Fuk.....:angry:

 

 

https://www.nytimes.com/live/2021/04/16/us/indianapolis-fedex-shooting

Who exactly is supposed to "do their job" to stop this?

- DSK

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20 minutes ago, Steam Flyer said:

Who exactly is supposed to "do their job" to stop this?

- DSK

Read the fuking article and see where the Feds enter into this killer's history. I'm done doing the heavy lifting around here anymore....

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1 hour ago, El Mariachi said:

1). The Feds knew about this fuker a year ago.

 

2). Shotgun reference is in article (my bad, but it's what I heard on the radio first thing this morning).

 

3). Cries for help and knowing this guy was troubled....go no where.

 

 

4). One more senseless mass shooting.....that could have been prevented...if only people would grow some fuking balls....

 

5). And do their fuking jobs. Fuk.....:angry:

 

 

https://www.nytimes.com/live/2021/04/16/us/indianapolis-fedex-shooting

It's best if we lock everyone up on suspicion.  They get out if they prove they are innocent and we like their politics.  It is the new way.

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12 minutes ago, El Mariachi said:

Read the fuking article and see where the Feds enter into this killer's history. I'm done doing the heavy lifting around here anymore....

Not a good answer. You haven't done any lifting at all, just spewed a lot of hateful nonsense.

As far as I know, the Feds have limited ability to lock people up and no ability whatever to take away guns.

Preventative law enforcement... that's supposed to be the socialist dream isn't it, lock people up because we "know" they are going to commit a crime?

- DSK

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43 minutes ago, Steam Flyer said:

Not a good answer. You haven't done any lifting at all, just spewed a lot of hateful nonsense.

As far as I know, the Feds have limited ability to lock people up and no ability whatever to take away guns.

Preventative law enforcement... that's supposed to be the socialist dream isn't it, lock people up because we "know" they are going to commit a crime?

- DSK

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54 minutes ago, Steam Flyer said:

Not a good answer. You haven't done any lifting at all, just spewed a lot of hateful nonsense.

As far as I know, the Feds have limited ability to lock people up and no ability whatever to take away guns.

Preventative law enforcement... that's supposed to be the socialist dream isn't it, lock people up because we "know" they are going to commit a crime?

- DSK

So you continue to say I'm wrong about something, regarding an article I've read.....but you refuse to, spouting shit that is incorrect and that you can't back up.....'cuz you're too lsay to read the article that spells it out in glorious crayon colors so bright....that even YOU could understand it?

Brilliant, just fuking brilliant. 

(And some of you wonder why I may get so pissy at times, trying to learnicate you lead-headed fuking stubborn Leftistas?). Jeezis key-rhyst.....

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Just now, El Mariachi said:

So you continue to say I'm wrong about something, regarding an article I've read.....but you refuse to, spouting shit that is incorrect and that you can't back up.....'cuz you're too lsay to read the article that spells it out in glorious crayon colors so bright....that even YOU could understand it?

Brilliant, just fuking brilliant. 

(And some of you wonder why I may get so pissy at times, trying to learnicate you lead-headed fuking stubborn Leftistas?). Jeezis key-rhyst.....

In other words, you got nothing except to rant and cuss and accuse me of shit you have no clue about.

You were always a gun nut but you weren't a RWNJ bone head, in your previous life. The change is not for the better.

- DSK

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3 hours ago, Olsonist said:

Looks like it was a Ruger AR-556. Get your orders in boys.

Jeff will be along shortly to tell us the monumental differences between the 556 and an AR-15, important differences that only a gun grabber would get wrong. Boothy will do his Bill the Cat imitation. Tom will tell a knock knock joke:

Did you hear about that chick who got shot at the Capitol?

Yeah, she flew to DC in Delta and came back in Spirit.
 
Tom, knock knock jokes start with knock knock.

Would you limit "gas operated"? AR 15?  Would you limit any other form of semi? Savage arms developed the most elegant .....

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21 minutes ago, Navig8tor said:

B Hole takes out 8 people before topping himself,  proving once again it only takes a gun to be remembered as an A-Hole

It took a bad guy w/ a gun to stop a bad guy w/ a gun..... Unfortunately, it was a little late to stop a bunch of innocent people getting killed, and injured.

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"An F.B.I. special agent confirmed that the gunman had been interviewed by federal agents in April 2020, and that he was put on an “immediate detention mental health temporary hold.”  He was not charged with a crime, and the agent said that a shotgun was not returned to him."...

Generally you can't hold somebody for a psych evaluation for an indefinite amount of time. He was probably judged not to be a danger to himself or others after a few days and released. El M. seems to want to blame the folks who released him. Hard to predict what a mentally ill person will do a year from the initial contact. Dumb to blame the FBI - they don't make the call to release him. He hadn't committed a crime so why hold him in jail.

 

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19 minutes ago, Zonker said:

"An F.B.I. special agent confirmed that the gunman had been interviewed by federal agents in April 2020, and that he was put on an “immediate detention mental health temporary hold.”  He was not charged with a crime, and the agent said that a shotgun was not returned to him."...

Generally you can't hold somebody for a psych evaluation for an indefinite amount of time. He was probably judged not to be a danger to himself or others after a few days and released. El M. seems to want to blame the folks who released him. Hard to predict what a mentally ill person will do a year from the initial contact. Dumb to blame the FBI - they don't make the call to release him. He hadn't committed a crime so why hold him in jail.

 

No, wasn't trying to 'blame' the FBI....was pointing out that more than one person on this planet knew he was a ticking time bomb.....but no one did much about it....and now 8 innocent people are dts.

See where I'm going with this? As in See something, Do something'?......

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Yes, there was more than one person on this planet who knew Hole was a ticking time bomb. Now about that AR-15 like weapon that he so easily purchased given that more than one person on this planet, including the FBI who indeed confiscated his shotgun, knew that he was a ticking time bomb. Do you think that he should have been able to legally purchase it given that more than one person on this planet knew he was a ticking time bomb? Do you think that he should have had the right to keep and bear that arm given that he was ticking time bomb?

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4 hours ago, Steam Flyer said:

Preventative law enforcement... that's supposed to be the socialist dream isn't it, lock people up because we "know" they are going to commit a crime?

How is that any fucking different than taking everyone's gunz away because we "know" they are going to commit a crime???  Sounds like the exact same "preventative LE" you're bitching about.

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Adjusting for inflation, tax bullets so they cost $50k each. Exemptions could be made for shooting ranges and in association with hunting licenses.

Probably 90% of would-be shooters will get engrossed in hobby production of home cast lead bullets and never get around to actually shooting anyone up.

 

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13 hours ago, El Mariachi said:

Depends on who you ask;

CNN

MSLSD

The Gnu Yawk Thymes

Donny Lemonade

Da View

NPR

Mother Jones

Daily Kos

Michelle

Hillary

Telemundo

The Hell-A Times

The Young Jerks

69.34% of the Political Anarchy crew

Scot

Ted Cruz

Floridians

Alabama's

Texans

Nancy

Govvy Gnusome

DeNiro

Chelsea Handler

Cal Guns

And Vox

 

Have fun.....:lol:

 

Come on bro,you aren't this jaded.  You've only been in California for a bit.  Tranquilo.

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2 minutes ago, apophenia said:

Adjusting for inflation, tax bullets so they cost $50k each. Exemptions could be made for shooting ranges and in association with hunting licenses.

Probably 90% of would-be shooters will get engrossed in hobby production of home cast lead bullets and never get around to actually shooting anyone up.

 

You know absolutely jack shit about how America actually works, do you.

Let me guess....you have an expensive piece of paper taped on the wall behind your desk......and have Lily-white clean fingernails?....:lol: 

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3 minutes ago, roundthebuoys said:

Come on bro,you aren't this jaded.  You've only been in California for a bit.  Tranquilo.

I'm trying, Brah...really, I am.

 

(But I'm glad you're still around here..  you're one of the rare few here that can take as well as you can give.....a very admirable trait....)...B)

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1 minute ago, El Mariachi said:

I'm trying, Brah...really, I am.

 

(But I'm glad you're still around here..  you're one of the rare few here that can take as well as you can give.....a very admirable trait....)...B)

Nah,Old skool, I know you're a good guy.  By the way Bing lives here, I see him every couple of weeks.  His wife just died and he's not doing well.  But such a nice guy.

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2 minutes ago, roundthebuoys said:

Nah,Old skool, I know you're a good guy.  By the way Bing lives here, I see him every couple of weeks.  His wife just died and he's not doing well.  But such a nice guy.

Ah shit, that's not good. Not  good at all. Next time you see him, please tell him Ron Booth's son Rick sends his condolences. They were surf buds back in the days when they were both members of the Manhattan Beach Surf Club, and Bing had his shop under the pier.....among other cool shit.....:lol:

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1 minute ago, roundthebuoys said:

I'll show him this picture.  Jesus those boards were stupid. Lol.

Daddio is 5th from the left. With almost the shortest board there. (which was still big enough to make it to the Marquesas on ..:lol:)

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15 hours ago, Olsonist said:

Jeff is right. It would require the same draconian invasions of privacy which are necessary for driving a car or flying a plane.

Do you mean real ones or ones you dream up, like this?

  

On 9/18/2020 at 12:32 PM, Olsonist said:

It also absolves individuals of the LIABILITY FOR USE by others. So if your roommate steals your keys and bypasses your 'secure gun storage' and uses your gun to holdup a liquor store, you're totally good. But if your roommate steals your keys and runs over a little old lady with your car, well that's what you have liability insurance for.

And what point were you trying to make there about the liability of property owners for what criminals do?

 

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2 hours ago, Excoded Tom said:

Do you mean real ones or ones you dream up, like this?

  

And what point were you trying to make there about the liability of property owners for what criminals do?

 

Hello, Tom. Picking at a scab?

Where you been? You are pretty occupied, in avoiding the dynamics of gunz in the USA.

Cameras and publicity make these  guns look bad, eh?

 

Treyvon Martin and George Floyd are calling you. And you are all tied up, with nonsense.

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4 minutes ago, Mike in Seattle said:

Meanwhile, somebody drove a bus with 23 passengers into a bridge abuttment and nobody cares.

 

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9 minutes ago, Olsonist said:

Or as they say in Canada which has significantly better gun laws and significantly fewer firearm injuries, whataboat.

Canada should adopt Minnesota this weekend.....

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9 minutes ago, El Mariachi said:

Canada should adopt Minnesota this weekend.....

Minnesota is calling out your elk. Minnesota is no place for them.

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5 minutes ago, Sol Rosenberg said:

Or whataboot 

That's actually German spoken in a country which also has excellent gun laws and significantly less gun violence.

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20 minutes ago, Olsonist said:

That's actually German spoken in a country which also has excellent gun laws and significantly less gun violence.

I'm sure the 6 million dead Jews feel so much better about that.....

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46 minutes ago, El Mariachi said:

I'm sure the 6 million dead Jews feel so much better about that.....

Interesting. So you're suggesting that we'd be better off with the killers of 6 million Jews having more guns. Home schooled were you?

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13 hours ago, Zonker said:

"An F.B.I. special agent confirmed that the gunman had been interviewed by federal agents in April 2020, and that he was put on an “immediate detention mental health temporary hold.”  He was not charged with a crime, and the agent said that a shotgun was not returned to him."...

Generally you can't hold somebody for a psych evaluation for an indefinite amount of time. He was probably judged not to be a danger to himself or others after a few days and released. El M. seems to want to blame the folks who released him. Hard to predict what a mentally ill person will do a year from the initial contact. Dumb to blame the FBI - they don't make the call to release him. He hadn't committed a crime so why hold him in jail.

 

This should have definitely resulted in him being unable to buy his AR-15.  If his shotgun was not returned, then he should have been deemed unfit to own any other guns.  As usual, it's not the gun itself that is at issue - it's the lack of will power to enforce the laws.  Yes the FBI fucked up.... again.  

If, otoh, you say the FBI had no choice and could not add him to the "DO NOT BUY" list - then you can blame the 4th and 5th Amendments for yet another needless death.

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12 hours ago, Olsonist said:

Yes, there was more than one person on this planet who knew Hole was a ticking time bomb. Now about that AR-15 like weapon that he so easily purchased given that more than one person on this planet, including the FBI who indeed confiscated his shotgun, knew that he was a ticking time bomb. Do you think that he should have been able to legally purchase it given that more than one person on this planet knew he was a ticking time bomb? Do you think that he should have had the right to keep and bear that arm given that he was ticking time bomb?

No, he should definitely not been able to buy that gun.  The system failed.  If he was deemed enough of a danger to himself or others that his shotty was not returned, then why was he not placed on the DO NOT BUY list by the FBI?  See where I'm going with this?

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1 minute ago, Burning Man said:

No, he should definitely not been able to buy that gun.  The system failed.  If he was deemed enough of a danger to himself or others that his shotty was not returned, then why was he not placed on the DO NOT BUY list by the FBI?  See where I'm going with this?

you will go in circles on this

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35 minutes ago, Olsonist said:

Interesting. So you're suggesting that we'd be better off with the killers of 6 million Jews having more guns. Home schooled were you?

You do know one of the first things the Nazis did....was to disarm the Jews. 

 

Then they built some really big ovens. And trains. And stuff. A disarmed populace is a helpless populace and subject to the whims of the Un-disarmed. Which is exactly what the Leftistas would like to see happen in America....whether they admit it out loud or not.

 

Once again, I'll pass on being unarmed & helpless, thank you.....

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2 hours ago, Olsonist said:

Or as they say in Canada which has significantly better gun laws and significantly fewer firearm injuries, whataboat, eh

FIFY

<purple> But hey, not only do you not understand that if you outlaw guns then only outlaws will have guns, you don't understand that black people need to OBEY the cops and besides plenty of black people shoot each other so how can it be a big deal <end purple>

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I think the most important thing to remember that whatever the issue, the answer is always morgunz. Too many shootings? Why, the problem there is the good guys need morgunz. Too few shootings? Proof that we need morgunz. Just the right amount of shootings? Morgunz is working!!  

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1 hour ago, Burning Man said:

No, he should definitely not been able to buy that gun.  The system failed.  If he was deemed enough of a danger to himself or others that his shotty was not returned, then why was he not placed on the DO NOT BUY list by the FBI?  See where I'm going with this?

So I assume you are either talking about the Federally Denied Persons File or Adjudicated Mental Health categories. I don't think the FBI could have done the second but his mother might have been able to if she'd known. Perhaps the FBI could have told her or someone more local how to start that. However only 22 states forward that information to the NCIS.

As for the Denied Persons file, that's a good question and probably worth an internal FBI investigation and change of training. It will come out in the wash how he purchased his gun which was almost certainly 'legally'. But selling to a Denied Person should incur some responsibility as well. Let the seller beware.

You would think gun owners would be in favor of this. They aren't. You aren't. Indeed their boy Shitstain and his Republican boys rolled back the Obama era mental health gun checks.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/trump-signs-bill-revoking-obama-era-gun-checks-people-mental-n727221

I notice that the No Fly LIst doesn't extend to guns. Feinstein's amendment failed in 2015 along party lines. For some reason known only to Republicans, people judged unworthy to fly are still worthy to buy a gun. Not being a Republican, that's beyond me.

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2 hours ago, Burning Man said:

This should have definitely resulted in him being unable to buy his AR-15.  If his shotgun was not returned, then he should have been deemed unfit to own any other guns.  As usual, it's not the gun itself that is at issue - it's the lack of will power to enforce the laws.  Yes the FBI fucked up.... again.  

If, otoh, you say the FBI had no choice and could not add him to the "DO NOT BUY" list - then you can blame the 4th and 5th Amendments for yet another needless death.

Or you could simply address the heart of the issue, the 2nd amendment, and the proliferation of firearms available to just about anyone with a heart beat anywhere in America, and most importantly, the mind set that you need to be armed to be safe in America. That's pretty fucked up.

Is there actually a " Do Not Buy " list?

This fellow should never have been allowed to purchase any firearm.

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11 minutes ago, Keith said:

Or you could simply address the heart of the issue, the 2nd amendment, and the proliferation of firearms available to just about anyone with a heart beat anywhere in America, and most importantly, the mind set that you need to be armed to be safe in America. That's pretty fucked up.

Is there actually a " Do Not Buy " list?

This fellow should never have been allowed to purchase any firearm.

 

We have a system of sorts that sort of works sometimes.
When I went to buy a shotgun there were a couple of gentlemen in the gun store that one could reasonably conclude did not want a gun for starting races or harvesting deer. While I picked out the gun I wanted and waited for the background check, they kept asking to look at various pistols and asking if they too would need a background check. After about the 4th time the store owner told them EVERY gun needed a background check and they left in a dejected state.

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You have a proposal or seventeen as to how to turn America upside down for a while......and shake out 400 million-plus legally owned firearms.....and then make them all disappear?

Yeah.....good luck with THAT one.....:lol:

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56 minutes ago, kent_island_sailor said:

 

We have a system of sorts that sort of works sometimes.
When I went to buy a shotgun there were a couple of gentlemen in the gun store that one could reasonably conclude did not want a gun for starting races or harvesting deer. While I picked out the gun I wanted and waited for the background check, they kept asking to look at various pistols and asking if they too would need a background check. After about the 4th time the store owner told them EVERY gun needed a background check and they left in a dejected state.

That's a good sign.

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59 minutes ago, El Mariachi said:

You have a proposal or seventeen as to how to turn America upside down for a while......and shake out 400 million-plus legally owned firearms.....and then make them all disappear?

Yeah.....good luck with THAT one.....:lol:

How many mass shootings happen w/ guns that have been in the shooter's posession for more than a few months?

 I seriously doubt that many of these killings are done with Dad's old deer rifle, or Grandpa's WW2 Colt model 1911 45.

People go out and buy guns specifically to do these things. This isn't Opie Taylor going in to Andy's office and pulling an old lever action Winchester off the unlocked gun rack.

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3 hours ago, El Mariachi said:

........... A disarmed populace is a helpless populace and subject to the whims of the Un-disarmed. Which is exactly what the Leftistas would like to see happen in America....whether they admit it out loud or not.

 

Once again, I'll pass on being unarmed & helpless, thank you.....

A disarmed populace with voting rights (and a minimum of intelligence, which seems to be problematical in the USA)) could ensure that they have a government which is not suddenly going to decide to murder them in large numbers.

Currently you have an armed populace which could be murdered in vast numbers anyway, should the government decide to attack you with missiles, artillery, and air power. Your AR15 isn't going to help if your suburb is attacked by a squadron of A10 Warthogs and a Spooky, followed by a sustained artillery barrage, followed by a brigade-strength bunch of highly-trained troops.

The British are not going to attack you with a handful of Redcoats toting muskets.

An armed populace is only capable of murdering each other, which they do all the time.

 

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1 hour ago, El Mariachi said:

You have a proposal or seventeen as to how to turn America upside down for a while......and shake out 400 million-plus legally owned firearms.....and then make them all disappear?

Yeah.....good luck with THAT one.....:lol:

That attitude is exactly why at some point you will see a law that says when you die, your guns die. You will be able to bequeath one weapon as an inheritance, any heirloom weapons go to a museum, all others are destroyed. The museum will explain that this happened because some gun owners thumbed their noses too long at a solution for gun violence.

No one will bother with violence, that's why we have hellfire missiles.

 

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8 minutes ago, Happy said:

A disarmed populace with voting rights (and a minimum of intelligence, which seems to be problematical in the USA)) could ensure that they have a government which is not suddenly going to decide to murder them in large numbers.

Currently you have an armed populace which could be murdered in vast numbers anyway, should the government decide to attack you with missiles, artillery, and air power. Your AR15 isn't going to help if your suburb is attacked by a squadron of A10 Warthogs and a Spooky, followed by a sustained artillery barrage, followed by a brigade-strength bunch of highly-trained troops.

The British are not going to attack you with a handful of Redcoats toting muskets.

An armed populace is only capable of murdering each other, which they do all the time.

 

Our military? Is very heavily sided and tilted to the 'Right' side of things. Ergo, when civil war eventually breaks out here (and I have absolutely zero doubt in my mind that it will occur...within 5 years or so).....that the Leftistas are gonna get their fuking asses handed to them. I know a LOT of LEOS and military folks....and they look at the Dems and the Libs like they're nothing more than cold sores....and can be made to disappear within two daze.

 

Y'all ought pick your battlas with a bit more foresight....or you won't be around long enough to order that  #14 plate from Covid Express that you've always wanted to try out.....

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4 hours ago, El Mariachi said:

 ...............A disarmed populace is a helpless populace and subject to the whims of the Un-disarmed......

You make a solid argument for African-Americans to buy arms to protect them from the murderous White police forces of America.

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6 minutes ago, Happy said:

You make a solid argument for African-Americans to buy arms to protect them from the murderous White police forces of America.

Apparently the Africacan-Americans in America should start buying guns from all those African Americans in Shitcago.....who continue to murder their fellow African Americans to the tune of around 500 per year.

 

I mean seriously, if you wanna bring up a perfect argument why the 2nd Amendment is so fuking important to EVERYBODY in this country..maybe George Soros could step up to the plate and hand out free 9mm Glocks to all those black families there that can't afford their own firearms.....to protect themselves and their loved ones.......

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3 hours ago, El Mariachi said:

You have a proposal or seventeen as to how to turn America upside down for a while......and shake out 400 million-plus legally owned firearms.....and then make them all disappear?

Yeah.....good luck with THAT one.....:lol:

Magnets. Lots of big magnets.

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3 hours ago, El Mariachi said:

You have a proposal or seventeen as to how to turn America upside down for a while......and shake out 400 million-plus legally owned firearms.....and then make them all disappear?

Yeah.....good luck with THAT one.....:lol:

My reasonable solution? Ban the sales of ammo outside of a 10 round allotment per person per annum.  Prison time for those caught with large caches.    It will take a while but those assault weapons will become useless paperweights that can be turned in for Amazon Prime gift cards.

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There's a reason why people run guns in to Mexico. It's because fucking nut jobs like Boothe live there.

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5 hours ago, El Mariachi said:

 

 

Once again, I'll pass on being unarmed & helpless, thank you.....

Which raises the question: Are you allowed to carry your precious in Mexico?  Are Mexican citizens able to buy guns freely?  Do the murderous drug cartels get the majority of their weapons from the USA or not? If the USA is such a great free place for right-thinking armed Surf Nazis, why do you spend most of your time south of the border?

Edit: Left8 just had the same thought..........

 

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1 hour ago, El Mariachi said:

Our military? Is very heavily sided and tilted to the 'Right' side of things. Ergo, when civil war eventually breaks out here (and I have absolutely zero doubt in my mind that it will occur...within 5 years or so).....that the Leftistas are gonna get their fuking asses handed to them. I know a LOT of LEOS and military folks....and they look at the Dems and the Libs like they're nothing more than cold sores....and can be made to disappear within two daze.

 

Y'all ought pick your battlas with a bit more foresight....or you won't be around long enough to order that  #14 plate from Covid Express that you've always wanted to try out.....

LOL, you put an awful lot of faith in the military, I could never quite understand how they got so attached to a draft dodging asshole who would put your own kid in front of a bullet to save his own ass, then call your kid a loser for getting killed. 

The military is like every other American, they care about how they are treated, how bright their future looks, how promising their kids future looks and how happy the folks at home are doing. In the end you are going to find that they don't give a shit about politics.

I have a friend that talks heavy right wing shit all day on Facebook, he thinks he is still a soldier. He is a broken down old man who couldn't run three miles to save his ass. The war ends badly for you, I would avoid it if it if I were you.

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38 minutes ago, Mrleft8 said:

There's a reason why people run guns in to Mexico. It's because fucking nut jobs like Boothe live there.

Tom will be along shortly to give us a dramatic reading of his boy Issa's three volume trilogy covering the Fast and Furious investigations.

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It’s An Honor To Continue Being Valued Over Countless Human Lives

An AR-15
 

Look, I’m not the type who needs constant validation, and I have never sought preferential treatment from anyone. I just try to focus on doing what I do and not get too caught up in what people think or say about me. But I have to admit, it’s been hard to ignore all the support and appreciation I’ve been receiving lately, particularly over the past several years. That’s why I want to take this opportunity to let all of you know what an absolute honor it is that you continue to value me over countless human lives.

I don’t want to get too sentimental or anything, but it really means the world to me how often you as Americans, through your words and your actions, make it known that I am more important to you than the lives of your fellow citizens.

Truly, from the bottom of my heart, thank you.

You see, I’m just a humble lightweight, magazine-fed semi-automatic rifle; I never expected this kind of outpouring of affection. But time and time again, you’ve shown me how much I matter to you. To see so many people—people who could be working to protect and care for human lives—actively devoting their time and energy to making sure I’m the one who’s protected and cared for instead—it’s beyond touching.

 
 
 

Don’t think I haven’t noticed all this. Rarely a month goes by without all of you pausing to weigh me against a certain number of lives—often a dozen or more—and quickly deciding I’m more worthwhile. Gosh, you must really, really love me.

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8 hours ago, Keith said:

Is there actually a " Do Not Buy " list?

This fellow should never have been allowed to purchase any firearm.

It's called the NICS database.  It's incomplete, as evadent.

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2 minutes ago, Burning Man said:

It's called the NICS database.  It's incomplete, as evadent.

I guess if America can put humans on the moon, Then America could figure this out as well, maybe?

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11 minutes ago, Burning Man said:

It's called the NICS database.  It's incomplete, as evadent.

I guess if America can put humans on the moon, Then America could figure this out as well, maybe?

You'd think.  But much of it has been actively blocked because of the 4th Amendment.  Privacy > children.

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9 hours ago, Olsonist said:

So I assume you are either talking about the Federally Denied Persons File or Adjudicated Mental Health categories. I don't think the FBI could have done the second but his mother might have been able to if she'd known. Perhaps the FBI could have told her or someone more local how to start that. However only 22 states forward that information to the NCIS.

As for the Denied Persons file, that's a good question and probably worth an internal FBI investigation and change of training. It will come out in the wash how he purchased his gun which was almost certainly 'legally'. But selling to a Denied Person should incur some responsibility as well. Let the seller beware.

You would think gun owners would be in favor of this. They aren't. You aren't. Indeed their boy Shitstain and his Republican boys rolled back the Obama era mental health gun checks.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/trump-signs-bill-revoking-obama-era-gun-checks-people-mental-n727221

I notice that the No Fly LIst doesn't extend to guns. Feinstein's amendment failed in 2015 along party lines. For some reason known only to Republicans, people judged unworthy to fly are still worthy to buy a gun. Not being a Republican, that's beyond me.

That was a long winded way of saying.... FUCK YOU, 4th AMENDMENT!!!

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10 minutes ago, Burning Man said:

That was a long winded way of saying.... FUCK YOU, 4th AMENDMENT!!!

Denying someone the ability to buy military grade bang bang doesn't violate the 4th Amendment. Even your boy Wayne isn't that slow. If you haven't read the 4th, it's pretty short.

Amendment IV

The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

Now there was an implied FUCK YOU tucked in there, but it was to the dum dum amendment, the 2A. I'm cool with the 4th.
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I think I've worked out why El Mariachi/Rick Booth is hanging out in Mexico. He's waiting for the 2024 re-election of the Greatest President in History, so he can feel safe in his homeland again. Also, living in a place where he's the tallest, richest,best-fed, and whitest guy gives him a false sense of superiority. The tequila is cheap, there's uncrowded good surf, and the little brown fellows who profit from selling him the necessities of life are too polite to call him a dumb cunt.

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14 hours ago, Olsonist said:

Indeed their boy Shitstain and his Republican boys rolled back the Obama era mental health gun checks.

The Republicans at the ACLU were right about that.

14 hours ago, Olsonist said:

I notice that the No Fly LIst doesn't extend to guns. Feinstein's amendment failed in 2015 along party lines. For some reason known only to Republicans, people judged unworthy to fly are still worthy to buy a gun. Not being a Republican, that's beyond me.

And the Republicans at the ACLU are right about that list too.

14 hours ago, Olsonist said:

But selling to a Denied Person should incur some responsibility as well. Let the seller beware.

It's illegal already, should it be more illegal? And now that you're back around to discussing liability of gun owners for the actions of criminals, maybe you could tell us what point you were trying to make with this fake comparison?

  

On 9/18/2020 at 12:32 PM, Olsonist said:

It also absolves individuals of the LIABILITY FOR USE by others. So if your roommate steals your keys and bypasses your 'secure gun storage' and uses your gun to holdup a liquor store, you're totally good. But if your roommate steals your keys and runs over a little old lady with your car, well that's what you have liability insurance for.


You seem to have lost all interest in whatever point that post was supposed to make after I informed you that auto liability doesn't work that way. Why?

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3 hours ago, Excoded Tom said:

The Republicans at the ACLU were right about that.

And the Republicans at the ACLU are right about that list too.

It's illegal already, should it be more illegal? And now that you're back around to discussing liability of gun owners for the actions of criminals, maybe you could tell us what point you were trying to make with this fake comparison?

  


You seem to have lost all interest in whatever point that post was supposed to make after I informed you that auto liability doesn't work that way. Why?

Uh, Tom, about your awareness. About this second amendment solution, down at FedEx. About your gun platform.

Any comments? 

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