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Enjoyed the videos Scot, think you’re giving up too early IMO. Takes years to become an overnight success. Production was fantastic but I’d still watch if production quality went from 10/10 to 5/10. 

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Retroboat was/is great. Videos are very well done and the content is unique. However, because of its small, yet likely well-heeled, target audience, the Youtube/Patreon model is perhaps not the best way to fund the series.

My favourite sailing video series/collection is not on Youtube, but on a subscription website: Off Center Habor. Costs something like $30 or 40 for the year. Lots of videos; great quality. Seems to be sustainable funding because it's been around for a few years now. I'd pay that amount for a year of Retroboat.  

It's anyone's guess whether there would be enough interest among Retroboat viewers to fund a subscription-based model, but perhaps a poll here would give some indication. Btw, I don't think Patreon contributions are a reliable proxy for that kind of interest. Patreon is more of a handout model that makes the payers feel like they are funding others' free views.  

Just my two cents. 

 

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On 4/20/2021 at 8:21 PM, Editor said:

Pretty much. Too expensive to produce, too few views to make any money, advertisers don't seem interested. Patreon is a bust.

While I suppose I don't mind doing these for free, Nobelman Productions can't continue donating their work forever. 

We were hoping that if we made enough of these on a consistent basis, we would get enough traction via you tube views, but it never happened. 

Getting around 12,000 views per video isn't shit in the You Tube world. You Tube can make decent money, but at numbers like 50,000 views and up.

What makes it doubly frustrating, besides the reality that no one really cares, is the whole host of absolute shit sailing videos like "Sailing Doodles"  featuring a total douchebag, his homely gf and her huge saggy tits and their fucking labradoodle dogs sailing around on their piggy boat. The vids are so fucking awful it is hard to believe, yet they get hundreds of thousands of views per video, making serious coin.

I know that plenty of people don't like me, and that our vids have limited appeal, but it is really disappointing that these videos just didnt connect with a larger audience.

I'm sure that we'll still make them on occasion, but as a going thing, at this rate, I don't see it being sustainable.

It's sailing! Super niche activity (sport?). You won't get 50,000 views of anything sailing. Even the AC probably didn't get that despite what hey might have like to portray of the "millions of viewers". In short, most people don't give a fuck about sailing. 

With all that said, I though the videos were well done and entertaining, but I'm the minority, not the YouTube majority!

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1 hour ago, stayoutofthemiddle said:

It's sailing! Super niche activity (sport?). You won't get 50,000 views of anything sailing. Even the AC probably didn't get that despite what hey might have like to portray of the "millions of viewers". In short, most people don't give a fuck about sailing. 

With all that said, I though the videos were well done and entertaining, but I'm the minority, not the YouTube majority!

Did you know in the 1920s and 30 in San Francisco, 50,000 people would come down to watch Bird and Bear sailboat races on Saturdays and Sundays at the Marina green every weekend during the sailing season? The San Francisco Chronicle would publish a large sailboat box score on the front page upper third every Monday morning. It was said that millions of dollars were gambled over some of the races and everyone knew the boats.

In recent history - The Americas Cup in San Francisco was well attended. A crowd estimated at 150,000, peaking to 40,000 on the final day, visited the America’s Cup Village at Marina Green during the regatta period (Aug. 21–26). The spectator fleet on the Bay grew daily to a peak of 450 yachts on the final day. The America’s Cup YouTube channel featured 45 videos and generated more than 500,000 views. There were 163 accredited media from 11 countries and all five continents. More than 2,900 stories were published in more than 1,000 media outlets. Ticketed seating sold out daily for a capacity crowd of 6,600, and there were more than 1,600 hospitality guests over the four days.

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The market is there. The real problem is a lack of connection to the community. Saying people are not interested is not true. Only through social media and developiong great sailing content to watch, we could expect growth in the sailing crap we love. France seems to have handle on this. It can be done in the US and Canada too.

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Yeah I have to agree that the market is probably there but the youtube algorithm is not going to do any of the work for you unfortunately. I watch a couple of youtube videos pretty much every day and the algorithm knows what I like for the most part, but for some reason when it comes to sailing it's clueless, constantly serving me those clueless couple+dog+boat videos and walkthroughs of million dollar cruisers. I didn't even know SA had an active youtube channel until I came across this thread as I'm an on/off SAer

 

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That's largely because the Youtube algorithms use all the same buzzwords (sailing, boat, cruising, etc.) for both the millennial couple on a boat videos as well as the content that SA and other racing-oriented channels are putting out. 

Look at SailGP event that finished a few days ago. They have 32K subscribers and some of their videos have almost 300K views. Compare that to say La Vagabonde, which has 1.5M subs and their least-popular recent videos have 400K views. And while SailGP is one of only a few big sailing events, there are dozens of cruising couple channels popping up, all with 10s of thousands of subs. I think the market is just shifting away from racing and more towards dreaming about buying a condomaran and "sailing around the world" with your dog and mistress.

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I'm bummed. I did the Patreon backer thing (got my sticker, so thanks for that! Now to find a place to stick a rare little treasure...).

I'm a noob sailor so was really enjoying learning a bit about some boats. Especially the smaller ones that I could afford =). And here I was hoping that Scot would eventually come out to some Midwest mudpits or the Great Lakes and show off some of our goofy boats.

Oh, well. Back to Sam Holmes and Sail Life. Can't say I find much interesting in the boob shows. FWIW any time folks would ask about 'best sailing vlogs' on r/sailing, I'd always mention the Retroboat tours. Still will I think!

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14 hours ago, Dark'N'Stormy said:

That's largely because the Youtube algorithms use all the same buzzwords (sailing, boat, cruising, etc.) for both the millennial couple on a boat videos as well as the content that SA and other racing-oriented channels are putting out. 

Look at SailGP event that finished a few days ago. They have 32K subscribers and some of their videos have almost 300K views. Compare that to say La Vagabonde, which has 1.5M subs and their least-popular recent videos have 400K views. And while SailGP is one of only a few big sailing events, there are dozens of cruising couple channels popping up, all with 10s of thousands of subs. I think the market is just shifting away from racing and more towards dreaming about buying a condomaran and "sailing around the world" with your dog and mistress.

the internet is built on porn and marketing. If Scot and Co had really given it an effort and began to feature more women with nipples plus had leveraged the sponsorship platforms they have here - I am pretty sure his videos would have hit 1 million or more. Moreover if we kicked started SA video channel and gave the SA entity 500,000 dollars to build it out a serious effort, I have no doubt that the videos they were producing would be better than netflix quality and would run on major Cable networks.  I would even suggest asking Ted Turner to green light a sailing show like he did back in the day on TBS.

Bruce Brown and Warren Miller video models are still relivant despite the youtube bling pimp lifestyles of the trust fund babys, turning out your girlfriend for clicks and other suggestive burlesque social media meant to titalate lonely eyes.

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31 minutes ago, Black Jack said:

the internet is built on porn and marketing. If Scot and Co had really given it an effort and began to feature more women with nipples plus had leveraged the sponsorship platforms they have here - I am pretty sure his videos would have hit 1 million or more. Moreover if we kicked started SA video channel and gave the SA entity 500,000 dollars to build it out a serious effort, I have no doubt that the videos they were producing would be better than netflix quality and would run on major Cable networks.  I would even suggest asking Ted Turner to green light a sailing show like he did back in the day on TBS.

Bruce Brown and Warren Miller video models are still relivant despite the youtube bling pimp lifestyles of the trust fund babys, turning out your girlfriend for clicks and other suggestive burlesque social media meant to titalate lonely eyes.

Perhaps, but even though I'm also a millennial, I know that youtube is for quality boat vids and pornhub is for saggy tits

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1 hour ago, Dark'N'Stormy said:

Perhaps, but even though I'm also a millennial, I know that youtube is for quality boat vids and pornhub is for saggy tits

As a sailing millenial, a rareity among your age group, you also may know that Pornhub has been identified as trafficing underaged video performers. Still doesn't stop you and I from going back in forth between these three sites for habbitual endorphine kicks.  :ph34r: :ph34r:

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/12/04/opinion/sunday/pornhub-rape-trafficking.html

The target market for these retro videos and perspectives is still mostly male, 35 or older, middle class or greater, with disposable income. The facts are there is little on cable or streaming services to reach my demographic. The other notion is that most who make video is that most of the quality sailing content loses to exploitive aspects of sport, recreation or hobby. Clearly it is one of the last video classifications where PG porn and recreational sailing can be blended without significant criticism. I am reminded how much folks watch the Tally Ho videos and how much they are throwing down in patronage to watch a dude remake a new boat from the littlered bones of a scraped boat. It was more telling to watch SA promote the Tally Ho videos more than their own and continue today. The same can not be said for Dylan Winters excellent videos which rarely get a bump here while being in the same business as Tally Ho's, i.e. video production of aspects of sailing.

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3 hours ago, Black Jack said:

As a sailing millenial, a rareity among your age group, you also may know that Pornhub has been identified as trafficing underaged video performers. Still doesn't stop you and I from going back in forth between these three sites for habbitual endorphine kicks.  :ph34r: :ph34r:

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/12/04/opinion/sunday/pornhub-rape-trafficking.html

The target market for these retro videos and perspectives is still mostly male, 35 or older, middle class or greater, with disposable income. The facts are there is little on cable or streaming services to reach my demographic. The other notion is that most who make video is that most of the quality sailing content loses to exploitive aspects of sport, recreation or hobby. Clearly it is one of the last video classifications where PG porn and recreational sailing can be blended without significant criticism. I am reminded how much folks watch the Tally Ho videos and how much they are throwing down in patronage to watch a dude remake a new boat from the littlered bones of a scraped boat. It was more telling to watch SA promote the Tally Ho videos more than their own and continue today. The same can not be said for Dylan Winters excellent videos which rarely get a bump here while being in the same business as Tally Ho's, i.e. video production of aspects of sailing.

Fair point, but name any organization and there's always some way in which it's corrupt. Underage trafficking is admittedly worse than mocking old men drifting around the world (when their survival is uncertain) or demanding pictures of newcomers' boobs though...

As for sailing among millennials, it is sadly true that it is a rarity. But I try to work to improve that little by little when I can.

Back to the main discussion point - SailGP just released the full replays of the Bermuda races, which have already gotten 37K views. Not bad, but still drastically lower than some of the sailing couples channels. Interestingly, the only SA retro boat video to match that number was the "Pendragon IV," which had one of Scot's ladyfriends featured in it. Seemed to be done tongue-in-cheek, but there's definitely something to that...

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4 hours ago, Black Jack said:

As a sailing millenial, a rareity among your age group, you also may know that Pornhub has been identified as trafficing underaged video performers. Still doesn't stop you and I from going back in forth between these three sites for habbitual endorphine kicks.  :ph34r: :ph34r:

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/12/04/opinion/sunday/pornhub-rape-trafficking.html

The target market for these retro videos and perspectives is still mostly male, 35 or older, middle class or greater, with disposable income. The facts are there is little on cable or streaming services to reach my demographic. The other notion is that most who make video is that most of the quality sailing content loses to exploitive aspects of sport, recreation or hobby. Clearly it is one of the last video classifications where PG porn and recreational sailing can be blended without significant criticism. I am reminded how much folks watch the Tally Ho videos and how much they are throwing down in patronage to watch a dude remake a new boat from the littlered bones of a scraped boat. It was more telling to watch SA promote the Tally Ho videos more than their own and continue today. The same can not be said for Dylan Winters excellent videos which rarely get a bump here while being in the same business as Tally Ho's, i.e. video production of aspects of sailing.

Dylan's videos often surface in Cursing Anarchy. He is the one who started the topic

and he has a lot of insight into marketing, how much a YT video makes, etc.

Somebody must be interested, it's up to 93 pages now.

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I am totally bummed the videos are not viable, however I am not surprised.  The videos catered to s small percentage of an already small audience.  Sailing is not mainstream and even the majority of people who consider themselves sailors don't have the background to appreciate these videos of some iconic boats.  It really only caters to the folks who have been around the sport long enough to recognize that some of these boats were really special and are worth 15 minutes of our time to check out.  I am a total boat geek and love seeing the videos.  Where else can you get a walkthrough on such a variety of boats.  Unfortunately I am in the minority and the bulk of sailing viewers want to see some T&A of some people trying to live an adventure that they can relate to.  Those folks have no idea who Laurie Davidson is and why you should watch a video of one of his boats.  

On the other hand, some T&A probably would have helped put the videos in front of a wider audience just due to the algorithms and funneling the content to those who consume it.  

Either way Scot, good job producing something that the boat geeks here could really appreciate!  I thought they were well done and very entertaining!

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1 hour ago, T sailor said:

Sailing is not mainstream and even the majority of people who consider themselves sailors don't have the background to appreciate these videos

Thanks for calling us hipsters. 

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4 hours ago, T sailor said:

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On the other hand, some T&A probably would have helped put the videos in front of a wider audience just due to the algorithms and funneling the content to those who consume it.  

 

 

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