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I could be wrong, but I think the seller is confused.  Lot's of boats named "Stars and Stripes", and yes 12m is also about 40- but not a 12 meter in the traditional sense.  Sailboat data doesn't list a 40' among the common Nelson Marek designs.  Also, I though it was for sale by one of the yacht salvage companies a while back.  Anybody know the boat?

1984 Nelson Marek Sailboat | eBay 

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Maybe Bill Martin's Stars and Stripes for the Canada's Cup here on the Great Lakes back in sort of that same time frame.  Memory ain't too good for details back in those daze.

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reading comprehension?

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Purebred racer designed by Nelson and Marek off San Diego and built by a famous boatyard in Auckland, New Zealand. The builder is well known for building high end world class performance sailboats like Maxi and cantering keel racers, famous World Cup  Luna Rossa Prada Pirelli Team, AC 72s, Cookson 50 – winner of Rolex Race, etc. Check Cookson Boats on the FB and Luna Rossa challenge website to see what those guys build. This 40’ Nelson Marek is one of that family of racers.

 

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It's the old Claddagh, from Marblehead. Leo Fallon owned it and it was sold a few years ago to someone down it the Newport area, and renamed.

 

                2007 Atlantis PHRF - NE Championship
                                                              RACE
POS NUMBR YACHT NAME         TYPE   OWNER             HCAP  1  2  3  4  5  6  7  TOTAL
CLASS 1
  1 52354 INDRA              BNT447 Tom Linkas          30  1  3  2  2  2  2  1   9.5
  2 50974 SFORZANDO          TLR 45 Blair Brown          9  3  5  1  1  4  1  2  11.3
  3 39512 SCHERHERAZADE      FRR395 Hugh Chandler       30  4  1  4  3  1  4  3  15.5
  4 51918 SHOUT              FRR 40 Mike Dreese          3  2  2  8  4  3  7  4  22.0
  5 50989 HANNKERIN          ILC 40 Edward Smith         6  5  4  5  5  6  3  6  28.0
  6 46    CILISTA            J130SD Jeff Eberle         30  7  6  3  6  5  5  7  32.0
  7 50939 BIG DOG PARTY      FRR39M Peter Price         12  6  7  6  7  7  6  5  37.0
CLASS 2
  1 5002  CLADDAGH           NM 40  Leo Fallon          54  3  1  1  1  1  2  1   5.8
  2 9393  KATABATIC          IMX 40 Gordon Hall         39  1  2  2  8  4  1  3  12.5
  3 141   NOSEDIVE           MLG 32 D. Hoyt             33  2  4  8  2  2  5  5  20.0
  4 35005 XHIBITION          X 35   Richard Casner      57  5  6  4  3  3  7  4  25.0
  5 50141 SHEERNESS          TLR 41 M. Stephens (MMA)   45  7  3  3  6 10  4  7  30.0
  6 25279 SHAMROCK           NM 40  Ralph DiMattia      42  6  7  5  4  5  6  9  33.0
  7 52735 HAVOC              X 35   Adrian Ravenscrof   57  4  8  6  7  7  8  2  34.0
  8 51373 RUFFIAN            J 120  Seamus Hourihan     51  8  5  7  9  8  3  8  39.0
  9 39    CHAR SAR           FT 10  Charles Fox         54  9 10  9  5  6  9  6  44.0
 10 109   WILD RIDE          HND 30 Bob Foley           45 10  9 10 10  9 10 10  58.0
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Thanks, trying to find the specs for it- weight and beam.  There is no mention on the web of anything to do with Nelson Marek designinging a 40'er during the mid '80s.  There's a Gerharty 41 and what looks to have been a semi-production version of the same, but nothing at 40'.  There is a later 40' designed in the '90's but that's it- a completley different boat.

Yes, I can read, but I found the reference to the 12 meter Stars and Stripes and this boat- apparently 12 meters or 40' long- less than clear.  Maybe some flipper that doesn't really know what he has?

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All indications  are that this is the Stars & Stripes that challenged for the 1984 Canada's Cup losing 4-0 to Coug II. http://archive.sailingscuttlebutt.com/news/11/0901/file.pdf 

JoeO even said the sail numbers match in an earlier post in this thread - so I would think it has to be that one.

1984 was the last year they raced it in IOR 2 Tonners, so likely a bit longer than 40 feet.  More likely 41 or 42 feet.  40 feet would have been a very short 2 Ton - more in line with a post 1983 1 Ton.

Anyways, any boat of that era built to compete for the Canada's would be a custom build, not a production build- so you will never find the same design in Sailboatdata

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Just noticed that the boat is listed as being in Newport RI while the phone number provided in the ad has a 604 area code, meaning Vancouver BC or the lower mainland.  Seems a bit odd, but who knows.

Also, nothing in the ad is not factual - maybe a bit misleading.  Whether that is intentional or not, I have no idea.

But I can't see anyone mistaking the advertised boat for S&S 87.  Or S&S 83, 85, or 86 for that matter.

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3 hours ago, boatcat65 said:

Thanks, trying to find the specs for it- weight and beam.  There is no mention on the web of anything to do with Nelson Marek designinging a 40'er during the mid '80s.  There's a Gerharty 41 and what looks to have been a semi-production version of the same, but nothing at 40'.  There is a later 40' designed in the '90's but that's it- a completley different boat.

Yes, I can read, but I found the reference to the 12 meter Stars and Stripes and this boat- apparently 12 meters or 40' long- less than clear.  Maybe some flipper that doesn't really know what he has?

IOR 2 Tons of the 80's fell into a fairly narrow bucket dimensionally.

Displacement likely somewhere in the range of 14,000-16,000 lb

Beam, likely 12.5-13.5 ft  - most were around  +13 feet.  So the advertised 12 ft beam sounds to me to be on the slim side.  Not impossible, but not in the usual range for a 2 Ton.

Draft likely between 7 and 8 ft.  So the advertised draft of 7.75 ft is likely correct.

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"This boat "Stars & Stripes" was built in '83 by Bill Martin out of Bayview YC in Michigan for the Canada's Cup. Bill's boat was the "original" Stars & Stripes. Denis Connor asked Bill if he could use the name when he challenged for the America's Cup in '87. This is a Nelson Marek 40 IOR 2-ton built by Cookson in NZ. We took delivery in San Diego April '84. We installed all the deck hardware and winches while in a slip at the SDYC. Shake down was in Long Beach where we tuned up against a NM 43 "Brooke Anne". We had all the North Sails bigwigs sail with us in SD and later in Michigan. Bruce Nelson, Jud Smith and Gary Jobson were part of the permanent crew while Lowell North, Mike Shreiber, and Tom Blackaller helped with sail design. We spent the entire season racing against two other 2-tons on Lake St. Claire in MI. Ultimately we won the right to challenge for the Cup in Toronto. The defender was a Dobroth 2-ton called "Coug". Coug was 2' longer than us. They proceeded to kick our ass 4-0 in the best of 7 series. I never stepped foot on the boat after that. Great to see she's lived a nice life."

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Well, Mick Cookson up his game for detailing out his boats by the time the mid-90's came around and he started building his Farr boats.  

Still, could be fun, but rated at +66, clearly not a rocketship.  May be a trophy collector though.

 

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