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Seems the Party has, for the most part, been taken over by what was the lunatic right wing fringe not long ago. We no longer have honest debate between two mainstream ideologies, each with its merits and pitfalls. Gone are the days of Crossfire and Firing Line. 

Peter Wenner has an excellent piece in the current Atlantic - 

The GOP Is a Grave Threat to American Democracy

Unless and until Republicans summon the wit and the will to salvage the party, ruin will follow.

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2021/04/gop-grave-threat-american-democracy/618693/
 

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The radicalization manifests in myriad ways, most notably in Trump’s enduring popularity among Republicans. Trump’s loyalists have launched ferocious attacks against Republican lawmakers who voted to impeach him for his role in the insurrection, even as national Republicans eagerly position themselves as his heir. Right-wing media display growing fanaticism, while public-opinion polls show GOP voters embracing Trump’s lie that the election was stolen from him. The Republican Party’s illiberalism, its barely disguised nativism, and its white identity politics are resonating with extremist groups. Slate’s Will Saletan, in an article cataloging recent developments, summarized things this way: “The Republican base is thoroughly infected with sympathies for the insurrection.”

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All Americans should hope the Republican Party regains its philosophical bearings and moral senses. A healthy conservative party is important for the nation, as the Harvard political scientist Daniel Ziblatt has shown, and it can serve as a check on the left’s worst excesses. But today the Republican Party is hardly a healthy conservative party. In fact, it has grown inhospitable to authentic conservatism, and certainly to conservative sensibilities. What we are seeing instead more closely resembles what Ziblatt refers to as a “ferocious right-wing populist politics, which threatens to swallow older, self-identified conservative political parties.”

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Having alienated college-educated suburban voters, many consequential Republicans decided their best bet is to keep their contracting coalition in a state of constant agitation and fear, combatants in a never-ending culture war, “embattled warriors making a last stand against the demise of everything,” as a friend of mine describes it. And that, in turn, requires them to feed the base even greater falsehoods.

That is where we are, at least for now, and it does no one any good—least of all conservatives—to pretend otherwise. We saw how well denial and wishful thinking worked out during the Trump presidency.

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All Americans should hope the Republican Party regains its philosophical bearings and moral senses. A healthy conservative party is important for the nation, as the Harvard political scientist Daniel Ziblatt has shown, and it can serve as a check on the left’s worst excesses. But today the Republican Party is hardly a healthy conservative party. In fact, it has grown inhospitable to authentic conservatism, and certainly to conservative sensibilities.

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But acknowledge, too, that right now the Republican Party is a grave threat to American democracy—not the only one, of course, but a grave one—and unless and until Republicans summon the wit and the will to salvage the party, ruin will follow.

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This is the point that gets lost so often in these discussions: the American political spectrum isn't normal by global comparison. We have no real fringe left, and very little actual left. Joe Bi

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26 minutes ago, SloopJonB said:

The GOP signed it's own death warrant when they legitimized the Tea Party loonies.

^^^^^ THIS

I haven't read a single article that expresses the best way to handle this problem. Sadly, the four years of Trump made it impossible to address.

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44 minutes ago, SloopJonB said:

The GOP signed it's own death warrant when they legitimized the Tea Party loonies.

True. The nutters were always there, ready to be used when The Party needed a rebranding after George the Dumber and More Affable. Now that they are out in the open, there’s no way to put the genie back in the bottle. The squeaky, delusional, illiterate wheel gets the grease. 

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Republican Governors and Trump Jr. are railing against a non-existent Biden policy. The inmates are truly running the asylum.

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Drugs, money, guns, and a targeted attack on education.

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^ jfc..

the consequences of general right-wing ideological inertia (which can only really go one way, downhill) happened to those stupid fks, they boxed themselves in. they got done by their own dumb asses.  shrug

so fck 'em, yesterday.

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2 hours ago, Sean said:

Wtf happened to the GOP?

 

It started with Goldwater and (hopefully) peaked with Trump. Somewhere in the middle were Nixon, Reagan and a bunch of other dickheads.

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10 minutes ago, badlatitude said:

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The love of the gun is strong enough for some that it clouds rational thought.

Part of it is because of their donors and base pushing for it, but part is also that it fills

a void they have.  Mostly fear-based I think.  Gives them power against a "bad guy" either real or imagined.

Mostly imagined.

 

 

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11 minutes ago, Mike G said:

The love of the gun is strong enough for some that it clouds rational thought.

Part of it is because of their donors and base pushing for it, but part is also that it fills

a void they have.  Mostly fear-based I think.  Gives them power against a "bad guy" either real or imagined.

Mostly imagined.

 

 

A live tree doesn't break up like that, Why hit a dead tree? The only reason I can think of, is he would get arrested if he hit Lindsey Graham for making another pass at him.

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7 minutes ago, Nice! said:

It started with Goldwater and (hopefully) peaked with Trump. Somewhere in the middle were Nixon, Reagan and a bunch of other dickheads.

The big right turn was Newt and the tea party, they have travelled along way down the road after the right turn picking up more extreme loonies along the way.

The loonies are now in control of the bus, it is doubtful that the bus can do a U turn without the loonies squabbling over the direction of the turn, as they continue to Consiracy LaLa land, its doubtful that even the reality of the midterms will sway the course.

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4 minutes ago, Navig8tor said:

The big right turn was Newt and the tea party, they have travelled along way down the road after the right turn picking up more extreme loonies along the way.

 

This. Newt is where the real usage of feeding false narratives and demonizing "the enemy" into the media to convince the gullible began. Sure, pols were known for being less than truthful forever, but Newt understood how to use media better than his predecessors.

Fast forward to now, and there is a large percentage of adults that can not discern the difference between an actual fact and some insane bullshit fed to them. This makes them absolute pawns of the oligarchy. 

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25 minutes ago, Mike G said:

The love of the gun is strong enough for some that it clouds rational thought.

Part of it is because of their donors and base pushing for it, but part is also that it fills

a void they have.  Mostly fear-based I think.  Gives them power against a "bad guy" either real or imagined.

Mostly imagined.

Because the tree can’t fight back

 

 

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14 minutes ago, Navig8tor said:

The big right turn was Newt and the tea party, they have travelled along way down the road after the right turn picking up more extreme loonies along the way.

The loonies are now in control of the bus, it is doubtful that the bus can do a U turn without the loonies squabbling over the direction of the turn, as they continue to Consiracy LaLa land, its doubtful that even the reality of the midterms will sway the course.

It was Rush. He came before Newt. Enough piss cannot soak into his grave. 

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Throw in Lee Atwater and the “Southern Strategy” as part of the answer.

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I agree that Rush + Newt were instrumental. But how is today so different from McCarthy, the John Birch Society and the Minutemen? Is Trump that different from Reagan?

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2 minutes ago, Olsonist said:

I agree that Rush + Newt were instrumental. But how is today so different from McCarthy, the John Birch Society and the Minutemen? Is Trump that different from Reagan?

Trump has zero empathy, he's a sociopath. Reagan was just a dotard.

Edit: And Trump has decades of brainwashing to help.

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More GOP stupid...

https://www.rawstory.com/anti-vaxxer-2652787907/

Leila Centner, who co-founded Centner Academy with her husband, David Centner, "with a very heavy heart" notified faculty in a letter, saying "we cannot allow recently vaccinated people to be near our students until more information is known," The New York Times reports.

"Teachers who get the vaccine over the summer will not be allowed to return, the letter said, until clinical trials on the vaccine are completed, and then only 'if a position is still available at that time' — effectively making teachers' employment contingent on avoiding the vaccine."

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1 hour ago, Fakenews said:

More GOP stupid...

https://www.rawstory.com/anti-vaxxer-2652787907/

Leila Centner, who co-founded Centner Academy with her husband, David Centner, "with a very heavy heart" notified faculty in a letter, saying "we cannot allow recently vaccinated people to be near our students until more information is known," The New York Times reports.

"Teachers who get the vaccine over the summer will not be allowed to return, the letter said, until clinical trials on the vaccine are completed, and then only 'if a position is still available at that time' — effectively making teachers' employment contingent on avoiding the vaccine."

Is that the prep school for Trump U?

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6 hours ago, SloopJonB said:

The GOP signed it's own death warrant when they legitimized the Tea Party loonies.

When they turned their party polls into elections in themselves, they were compelled to became whatever bothers to show up to the things. This is what the Ds do these days too. There may be something to be said about those infamous smoke-filled rooms that used to rule the nomination process.   

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17 minutes ago, Mark K said:

When they turned their party polls into elections in themselves, they were compelled to became whatever bothers to show up to the things. This is what the Ds do these days too. There may be something to be said about those infamous smoke-filled rooms that used to rule the nomination process.   

Yes, it used to kill them off faster.

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2 hours ago, Mark K said:

When they turned their party polls into elections in themselves, they were compelled to became whatever bothers to show up to the things. This is what the Ds do these days too. There may be something to be said about those infamous smoke-filled rooms that used to rule the nomination process.   

Things worked a whole lot better with the coastal elites running things.

Letting the trailer park boys control the agenda gives you Idiocracy.

As Eva Dent.

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On 4/26/2021 at 8:14 PM, Olsonist said:

I agree that Rush + Newt were instrumental. But how is today so different from McCarthy, the John Birch Society and the Minutemen? Is Trump that different from Reagan?

We can't forget the Hastert rule. Conceived of and named by a child molester.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dennis_Hastert

He had what it took to lead the party for a while. 

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On 4/26/2021 at 6:08 PM, 3to1 said:

^ jfc..

the consequences of general right-wing ideological inertia (which can only really go one way, downhill) happened to those stupid fks, they boxed themselves in. they got done by their own dumb asses.  shrug

so fck 'em, yesterday.

You’re not smart enough to realize it, but you’re predicting the future of the Democrat party as well. It seems like every newbie on the left goes harder and harder into the land of goofy. You’ll get no argument from me that the Republicans lost their shit and shot themselves in the nuts, but the dems seem to be following in their footsteps. 

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31 minutes ago, Monkey said:

You’re not smart enough to realize it, but you’re predicting the future of the Democrat party as well. It seems like every newbie on the left goes harder and harder into the land of goofy. You’ll get no argument from me that the Republicans lost their shit and shot themselves in the nuts, but the dems seem to be following in their footsteps. 

Could you elaborate a bit? How are they following in Republican footsteps?

 

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27 minutes ago, badlatitude said:

Could you elaborate a bit? How are they following in Republican footsteps?

 

Easy. Nonsense like the Green New Deal is the first that springs to mind. It’s not the fault of the voting population. Most lefties and righties that I know are good people. Unfortunately, the media desperately forces hard to either side on us in primaries. I was actually quite happy Biden made it through. He’s part of a dying breed. 

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2 hours ago, Monkey said:

 no argument from me that the Republicans lost their shit and shot themselves in the nuts

exactly. maybe they'll even start running on that fact (they don't seem to have much else), doubt it would deter most of their base.

 

1 hour ago, Monkey said:

Nonsense like the Green New Deal 

says you; but opinions are like assholes. they need to polish up the details, but it's a harbinger of things to come. 

your political party is an asinine shit storm, that has nothing to do with the democrats.

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This thread is interesting in that that desiccated old fuck El mariachi and his band of merry faggots is strangely missing from this discussion. I wonder why?

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28 minutes ago, pusslicker said:

This thread is interesting in that that desiccated old fuck El mariachi and his band of merry faggots is strangely missing from this discussion. I wonder why?

They are having a meth party in the basement.

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4 hours ago, Ishmael said:

They are having a meth party in the basement.

they'll be along after they've found their way up the stairs to present impotent deflections.

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1 hour ago, SloopJonB said:

Back to the OP, this is what happened to the GOP.

 

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They've been increasingly loony and dysfunctional since Teddy Roosevelt split.

Just following their natural trajectory

- DSK

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The rot which used to be the Grand Old Party was caused by three things: 

1. Corporate dollars diluting the will of the people

2. Gerrymandering relieving (mostly) Republicans from having to appeal to a broad spectrum of voters

3. Racism. Only a fraction of Americans are consciously & overtly racist, but white supremacists are welcome in the GOP

 There needs to be Redistricting reform and voter protections passed by Congress. This will inevitably repair our national dialogue and either be the death knell of the GOP, to be replaced by a moderate Conservative party or to be reformed over a decade.

In either case, a truth and reconciliation commission of sorts needs to be considered which puts into context foreign actions against our national election system, voter purges, the influence of the internet and the decision to end the equal time rule. If Democracy is to flourish, we can’t be afraid of the truth.

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On 4/26/2021 at 8:39 PM, Fakenews said:

More GOP stupid...

https://www.rawstory.com/anti-vaxxer-2652787907/

Leila Centner, who co-founded Centner Academy with her husband, David Centner, "with a very heavy heart" notified faculty in a letter, saying "we cannot allow recently vaccinated people to be near our students until more information is known," The New York Times reports.

"Teachers who get the vaccine over the summer will not be allowed to return, the letter said, until clinical trials on the vaccine are completed, and then only 'if a position is still available at that time' — effectively making teachers' employment contingent on avoiding the vaccine."

I don't think they are GOP. They are connected to RFK jr and the left wing of the anti vax movement. There are loonies on both sides, which supports the point that Monkey is made in this thread. So far, the dems are more than happy to let the loonies on the bus but at least are not letting them drive like the GOP has. Still, the proliferation of loonies on both sides should be concerning to all of us. We really need at least two sane parties with differing ideas, but without at least one we are certainly doomed. 

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27 minutes ago, LenP said:

I don't think they are GOP. They are connected to RFK jr and the left wing of the anti vax movement. There are loonies on both sides, which supports the point that Monkey is made in this thread. So far, the dems are more than happy to let the loonies on the bus but at least are not letting them drive like the GOP has. Still, the proliferation of loonies on both sides should be concerning to all of us. We really need at least two sane parties with differing ideas, but without at least one we are certainly doomed. 

Americans really have no idea what real left wing looniness is. Hint: Bernie isn't.

If you'd like to know, check out the policies put forward at the convention by the left wing members of our NDP - our most left wing party.

Eliminating the military is just one. It would be hilarious if it wasn't reality.

https://ca.news.yahoo.com/singh-rejects-more-extreme-ndp-162029852.html

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3 minutes ago, SloopJonB said:

Americans really have no idea what real left wing looniness is. Hint: Bernie isn't.

If you'd like to know, check out the policies put forward at the convention by the left wing members of our NDP - our most left wing party.

Eliminating the military is just one. It would be hilarious if it wasn't reality.

https://ca.news.yahoo.com/singh-rejects-more-extreme-ndp-162029852.html

I was not referring to Bernie, but the anti vaxxer loonies among others. There are loony extremists on the left, just not in real positions of power. 

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20 minutes ago, LenP said:

I was not referring to Bernie, but the anti vaxxer loonies among others. There are loony extremists on the left, just not in real positions of power. 

I didn't mean to imply you did - only that Bernie seems to be regarded by 10's of millions of Americans as a left wing loonie.

As I said, they have no idea.

This manifesto was put forward by the left wing loonies here years ago - 70's IIRC. The people promoting it were members of a legitimate Canadian political party. Sort of like a left wing Tea Party if you will. The difference is we don't let them gain any traction here.

It makes Bernie sound like a quasi-fascist.

http://www.socialisthistory.ca/Docs/Waffle/WaffleManifesto.htm

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7 minutes ago, Ishmael said:
Lyin' Ted continues his descent.

Who needs safe drinking water when you can just fly your family to Cancun to get some?

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7 minutes ago, Ishmael said:

 

Lyin' Ted continues his descent.

Someone has to stop the growth and overreach of those Feds.

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40 minutes ago, Ishmael said:

 

Lyin' Ted continues his descent.

cruz is one of those rare politicians who's crossed the line and needs his ass beat the fk down. action/reaction

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On 4/26/2021 at 8:14 PM, Olsonist said:

I agree that Rush + Newt were instrumental. But how is today so different from McCarthy, the John Birch Society and the Minutemen? Is Trump that different from Reagan?

Trump regarded the presidency as a plaything for his benefit and amusement alone. I do not think any previous president ever cared so little for the country. Even Nixon managed a few good things.

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1 hour ago, SloopJonB said:
1 hour ago, LenP said:

I don't think they are GOP. They are connected to RFK jr and the left wing of the anti vax movement. There are loonies on both sides, which supports the point that Monkey is made in this thread. So far, the dems are more than happy to let the loonies on the bus but at least are not letting them drive like the GOP has. Still, the proliferation of loonies on both sides should be concerning to all of us. We really need at least two sane parties with differing ideas, but without at least one we are certainly doomed. 

Americans really have no idea what real left wing looniness is. Hint: Bernie isn't.

If you'd like to know, check out the policies put forward at the convention by the left wing members of our NDP - our most left wing party.

Eliminating the military is just one. It would be hilarious if it wasn't reality.

https://ca.news.yahoo.com/singh-rejects-more-extreme-ndp-162029852.html

This is the point that gets lost so often in these discussions: the American political spectrum isn't normal by global comparison.

We have no real fringe left, and very little actual left. Joe Biden, Hillary Clinton and even Barack Obama would be center to right-center in most other political systems. Our hard right wing would be feared as fascists (which they are) in most of the world and be a fringe.

And people like Lauren Boebert and Marjory Taylor Greene wouldn't be allowed to eat with anything other than a spoon, never mind hold office.

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3 minutes ago, B.J. Porter said:

This is the point that gets lost so often in these discussions: the American political spectrum isn't normal by global comparison.

We have no real fringe left, and very little actual left. Joe Biden, Hillary Clinton and even Barack Obama would be center to right-center in most other political systems. Our hard right wing would be feared as fascists (which they are) in most of the world and be a fringe.

And people like Lauren Boebert and Marjory Taylor Greene wouldn't be allowed to eat with anything other than a spoon, never mind hold office.

Le Pen seems to get a fork and knife.

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6 minutes ago, kent_island_sailor said:

Trump regarded the presidency as a plaything for his benefit and amusement alone. I do not think any previous president ever cared so little for the country. Even Nixon managed a few good things.

Imagine, giving the keys to the kingdom to a conman.

The former guy installing his kids as gatekeepers despite the fact they failed security clearances should have been your first clue.

Replacing all the guys in accounts with sycophants should have been the second.

Cuddling with Putin and the rocket man while picking a fight with China should have got alarm bells going.

It will take years to unravel how much this fucker made on the sly, hopefully he endures a rectal probe shortly.

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1 hour ago, LenP said:

I was not referring to Bernie, but the anti vaxxer loonies among others. There are loony extremists on the left, just not in real positions of power. 

And that is the difference between the two parties. There are not "really fine people on both sides". 

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13 minutes ago, kent_island_sailor said:

Le Pen seems to get a fork and knife.

I think she's a lot more stable than the two I mentioned. I mean, dad was pretty much a fascist too, but not like nutty goofball conspiracy Q shit.

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1 hour ago, Mike G said:

Here's part of what happened.

 

A variation on the same idiot mentality as "big rims"

Gallery - DUB Wheels

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1 hour ago, kent_island_sailor said:

Le Pen seems to get a fork and knife.

She's completely normal compared to Boebert and MTG

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1 hour ago, Navig8tor said:

Imagine, giving the keys to the kingdom to a conman.

The former guy installing his kids as gatekeepers despite the fact they failed security clearances should have been your first clue.

Replacing all the guys in accounts with sycophants should have been the second.

Cuddling with Putin and the rocket man while picking a fight with China should have got alarm bells going.

It will take years to unravel how much this fucker made on the sly, hopefully he endures a rectal probe shortly.

Any sentient person knew what he was more than 3 decades before he was elected.

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The party of Loons and Whack Jobs.

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A Kansas politician working as a substitute teacher at a public school shocked students with religious rants about suicide, masturbation, and same-sex relationships—and then assaulted one of them, according to reports.

“Did it hurt?” State Rep. Mark Samsel asked the student after allegedly kneeing him in the crotch.

The 36-year-old Republican is now charged with misdemeanor battery and barred from teaching again in the Wellsville school district, The Kansas City Star reported.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/kansas-rep-mark-samsel-roughed-up-student-after-bizarre-religious-rant-report-says?ref=home

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29 minutes ago, Ishmael said:

Holy shit. And this is an elected official? That is let near children?  

Wow. That's downright scary.  

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sometimes I ponder the scenario of would an 'ideal' world ever wage war on hard right-wing ideology and institutions as a mechanism of say, self-preservation? I'm not advocating for or even suggesting it and I'm basically anti-militarism, but wars have been fought for far less, no? 

 

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3 hours ago, shaggybaxter said:

Holy shit. And this is an elected official? That is let near children?  

Wow. That's downright scary.  

there's a lot shit that's 'let near children'...

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1 hour ago, 3to1 said:

sometimes I ponder the scenario of would an 'ideal' world ever wage war on hard right-wing ideology and institutions as a mechanism of say, self-preservation?

What do you think WW II was?

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1 hour ago, SloopJonB said:

What do you think WW II was?

Yep and it shaped a generation and now that they are all popping their clogs. History repeats…..

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Just when you thought it couldn't, Floriduh politics gets weirder. The GOP really needs to be put down, it's gone rabid.

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A controversial new bill that would stop tech companies from deplatforming politicians has been approved by both houses in Florida's legislature.

The bill must now be signed off by Trump ally, Governor Ron DeSantis.

The legislation allows platforms to suspend accounts, but only for 14 days, and could fine the platforms as much as $250,000 per day for violating the law.

NetChoice, a group that promotes free expression on the internet, testified against the legislation last month.

Donald Trump was banned by Twitter and suspend by Facebook and YouTube after the deadly Capitol Hill riots in January.

Since leaving office, Donald Trump has spent much of his time in Florida and is believed to be close with Mr DeSantis, as well as other high-ranking Florida Republicans.

 

However, critics say the law could have unintended consequences.

Last month, Steve DelBianco, NetChoice's chief executive, said while testifying against the bill: "Imagine if the government required a church to allow user-created comments or third-party advertisements promoting abortion on its social media page."

"Just as that would violate the First Amendment [guaranteeing the right to free speech], so too does [this bill] since it would similarly force social media platforms to host content they otherwise would not allow."

Although the bill was passed in the state's House and Senate on Thursday, it's likely tech companies will challenge it in court - saying the bill violates American's First Amendment rights.

In February, Mr DeSantis said Big Tech had "come to look more like Big Brother".

The bill includes a clause that exempts a company "that owns and operates a theme park or entertainment complex" - which allows Disney to be exempt from this bill.

 

Florida is home to the Disney World theme park.

NBC Miami reported some law makers saw this as "hypocritical".

"If Facebook buys a theme park, does that prevent us from being able to regulate what happens on Facebook?" asked Andrew Learned a Democratic member of Florida's House of Representatives.

"So, if they bought a theme park and named it Zuckerland and he met the definition of a theme park under Florida statute, then yes," said Republican Representative Blaise Ingoglia.

I hope this comes back and bites them in their fat asses.

https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-56952435

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6 minutes ago, Ishmael said:

Just when you thought it couldn't, Floriduh politics gets weirder. The GOP really needs to be put down, it's gone rabid.

I hope this comes back and bites them in their fat asses.

https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-56952435

Wouldn't that literally mean no one could be kicked off of PA? It also violates the amendment against slavery or maybe the 4th, you are saying I *have to* let someone use my private property no matter what.

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The actual problem with the GOP, when you take it down to the base level, is that somewhere along the way they stopped trying to gain votes by appealing to a majority of voters, and instead tried to win elections by inciting fear and outrage, and by gerrymandering and voter suppression.

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1 hour ago, Nice! said:

The actual problem with the GOP, when you take it down to the base level, is that somewhere along the way they stopped trying to gain votes by appealing to a majority of voters, and instead tried to win elections by inciting fear and outrage, and by gerrymandering and voter suppression.

They understood long ago that demographics and evolving value sets are against them. They used to be party of fiscal responsibility, family values and personal responsibility, but their entrenched support of the orange shit stain and others over the years has proven that labels are (and have been) a monstrous fiction.

They've got nothing left but to feed on fear and outrage and to suppress the opposition, and they've become remarkably adept at just those things.

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^^^ This, they are quickly becoming a minority party, in order to remain relevant they have adopted bullshit as their default.

They are doing anything to keep the faithful riled up and giving them money.

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They are a minority party.

Without the gerrymandering and other dirty tricks they couldn't elect a dogcatcher.

And they know it.

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and the fact they still exist shows how many dumb/willfully ignorant assholes there are in this grate cuntry.

never underestimate the power of human stupidity and depravity.

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40 minutes ago, Ishmael said:

Very small, and dwindling daily.

Give it another week,  they are already at the Delusion city limits.

Wonder how Cheney will fare,  those R's just hate uppity wimmin even if they are on their side.

She really crossed the line calling bullshit on the former guy, are they are looking for someone more malleable? 

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12 hours ago, Remodel said:

They used to be party of fiscal responsibility, family values and personal responsibility

Not in my adult lifetime the haven't been.

Nixon era, maybe?

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23 minutes ago, B.J. Porter said:

Not in my adult lifetime the haven't been.

Nixon era, maybe?

Back then, Nixon and his thugs aside, the R's still had ethical, decent members. Probably a majority in fact. Goldwater told Nixon he would get "maybe 4 votes" in an impeachment trial.

If there are any left they are merely fools.

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19 minutes ago, SloopJonB said:

Back then, Nixon and his thugs aside, the R's still had ethical, decent members. Probably a majority in fact. Goldwater told Nixon he would get "maybe 4 votes" in an impeachment trial.

If there are any left they are merely fools.

The fiscal responsibility train went off the rails with Reagan.

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2 hours ago, Steam Flyer said:

And that we can bomb our way to cheap oil

- DSK

And people with an IQ over 85 are commies.

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