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I really like the look of the 32 and she appears to be a great boat—-but I’ve never heard how it might compare to similar sized (lwl) boats.  Faster/slower than an Etchells 22 for instance?  Outsail an AlerionExpress 28?  Does she have any vices?  If you’ve owned or sailed one, what might you change about the boat?  or is she perfect as is for her intended use case?  

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Why would I care???

I’m on the hunt for my next boat.  Most likely a daysailer.  The Hood 32 has its appeal....  

Along with the usual snark, SA has a wide user base who often have experience in a wide variety of boats.  Of course, one does have to be prepared to filter some of them.

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Pretty boat but whats with the dirty looking sails  reminds me of the 80's glued sails with ugly brown seams. why does it matter how it performs, it is all about the look and what do you expect from a 32' boat with a 21' waterline and phrf 147.  you can race it but don't step on the varnish.  slow upwind and slow downwind but you would look good doing it.

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Never sailed against another boat while sailing one, but I'm quite sure they'd sail rings around an Alerion 28  (which I would kill to own BTW).  I doubt they'd outperform an E22, but they are heaps easier to sail as well as far more comfortable.

If I had the dosh that would be on my short list.

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The Center Harbor 31 is faster, has a better cockpit, a small cabin, and is expensive. 

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1 hour ago, Black Jack said:

Wouldn't a 32 FT Columbia 5.5 Meter made plush tickle the same bones for 10x less?

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Mostly, but they don't look right with varnished hulls.

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19 hours ago, Cruisin Loser said:

The Center Harbor 31 is faster, has a better cockpit, a small cabin, and is expensive. 

I’m not sure I agree with that.  The Hood is at least as fast, probably a bit quicker.  Your other points stand though, and I would rather have the CH31 for sure.  Price was just dropped on Mystery….

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6 minutes ago, eliboat said:

I’m not sure I agree with that.  The Hood is at least as fast, probably a bit quicker.  Your other points stand though, and I would rather have the CH31 for sure.  Price was just dropped on Mystery….

PHRF NE base rating for the CW Hood - 150

PHRF NE base rating for the Center Harbor 31 - 132

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And a former America’s Cup 12 meter is even faster...

The CH 31 has almost 4 more feet of waterline than the Hood 32.  How does she compare, speed wise, with other 20-21’ lwl boats? If speed is the criterion, then I’d consider an enlarged version of the same thing, I.e. longer lwl.  I’m looking for info with regard to any vices (weather helm, or whether she’s too wet so the bilge sump ‘self-bailing’ concept is inadequate, etc.). Of course non-self bailing has its risks, but then a Luders 16/24, IOD, H 12 1/2, etc etc are non self bailing so that’s not really an issue.  Is she tender for her size? In part because of a relatively shoal keel?  Any production issues?

As a daysailer, or shall I say an ‘all day’ daysailer, the Hood 32 lacks even the capability of a porta-potti (short of a cut off milk carton).  Nevertheless, the aesthetic and execution seem well done.  My question seeks to better understand how well the design delivers on what it seems to promise as opposed to how well she delivers on things she doesn’t promise...

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23 hours ago, SloopJonB said:

Why would you care?

I'd probably be content to just stand and look at it.

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Definitely a drool-worthy boat. They usually have one at the NE Boat show, and when you get up close and see the level of craftsmanship, it's really astounding.

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2 hours ago, Veeger said:

My question seeks to better understand how well the design delivers on what it seems to promise as opposed to how well she delivers on things she doesn’t promise...

Veegs,

If I misread, or misunderstood the intent in your reply, my apologies in advance.

So Hood claims she is "light and nimble, and can climb to weather with exceptional grace"  While certainly not a predictor of all of a sailboats feel or stability, etc, the PHRF rating per LOA does, in fact give an indication as to how well a boat "sails."  As an extreme example, a Cape Dory 27 (LWL 20ft) rates 240,  while a J-27 (LWL 23ft) rates 129.  Certainly, relative to the Cape Dory, the J-27 is "light and nimble, and will climb to weather with exceptional grace."  Even were we to go down to boats of similar LWL, the J-24 (LWL 20ft) rates 171 and relative to the Cape Dory, is light, nimble and will go to weather...blah, blah, blah.

I don't think CL was trying to "distract" you from your discussion of sailing qualities of the CW32.  I believe he was, in good faith, offering perspective of the "32 footish daysailor" continuum.  If all you want to hear about is the CW32, and nothing about any other boats, OK, but your OP seems to invite comparisons and alternatives.

Crash

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3 hours ago, Veeger said:

 

 My question seeks to better understand how well the design delivers on what it seems to promise as opposed to how well she delivers on things she doesn’t promise...

In my opinion it delivers.  I'm sure Chris could arrange a test sail if you give him a call.

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1 hour ago, Crash said:

Veegs,

If I misread, or misunderstood the intent in your reply, my apologies in advance.

So Hood claims she is "light and nimble, and can climb to weather with exceptional grace"  While certainly not a predictor of all of a sailboats feel or stability, etc, the PHRF rating per LOA does, in fact give an indication as to how well a boat "sails."  As an extreme example, a Cape Dory 27 (LWL 20ft) rates 240,  while a J-27 (LWL 23ft) rates 129.  Certainly, relative to the Cape Dory, the J-27 is "light and nimble, and will climb to weather with exceptional grace."  Even were we to go down to boats of similar LWL, the J-24 (LWL 20ft) rates 171 and relative to the Cape Dory, is light, nimble and will go to weather...blah, blah, blah.

I don't think CL was trying to "distract" you from your discussion of sailing qualities of the CW32.  I believe he was, in good faith, offering perspective of the "32 footish daysailor" continuum.  If all you want to hear about is the CW32, and nothing about any other boats, OK, but your OP seems to invite comparisons and alternatives.

Crash

Crash,

I'm trying to get a read on the Hood 32 specifically. Apologies for inadvertently implying I was looking for alternatives. Most boats have their strengths and weaknesses.  I haven't heard any regarding the 32, either way.  It appears to have a good balance of performance,  SA/D, excellent aesthetics and be a pleasure to sail. It also seems to be notably faster than a J24. I'm not necessarily expecting anything negative from the 32, quite the contrary, but I'm wondering if there's something I'm not seeing or aware of.

Didn't mean to belittle CL's comments either but as one who has closely followed most newer daysailer designs, I'm aware that depending on one's own search criteria, there are many choices... or few, as in my case.  The CH 31 is a very traditional, somewhat heavy, classic daysailer and BBY is  a builder of the highest reputation.  The CH31, Mystery, (price again reduced) is a good value... just fails to meet my criteria (through no inherent fault of its own).  

 

Nettles, I have indeed spoken with Chris and may yet again...

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23 hours ago, Black Jack said:

Wouldn't a 32 FT Columbia 5.5 Meter made plush tickle the same bones for 10x less?

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I dunno, that looks like a pretty uncomfortable cockpit.

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I dunno.  Spent 4 years at Navy sailing both those old yawls and the Shields as well.  Sure, they are not anywhere as near as "light and nimble" as a CW32.  But they sure are nice boats to sail.  I enjoy sailing and racing a modern small keelboat like a J/70 or FT 7.5.  I also enjoy sailing and racing older boats like the Shields.  Neither is disappointing to me.  Its like the differences between a 4th Gen Miata and an MGB.  I own or have owned both.  And I derived great enjoyment from both.  So I'd say it depends on what set of attributes are most important.  The 32 certainly is trying to evoke the look of the older boats like the Shields...so if it was the "look" veeger was after, then a Shields would have been a viable alternative.  If it is enhanced, light and nimble sailing performance married with the look, then the Shields is not a viable alternative...

But that's just my 2 cents...:rolleyes:

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What do you want to do with the boat? The Etchells and Alerion are two very different boats built for different purposes. If you're in the PNW and want a classic-looking racer, I'd go for a 6 Metre. If you want a daysailer that you can sail shorthanded, yeah, these newer designs with modern deck layouts and self-tacking jibs, etc... are probably the way to go.

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According to the 2020 ORR-ez IR# (similar to the GPH), the CW Hood 32 is faster than an Alerion Express 28, J 28, Santana 23, and Tartan 33.

It is essentially the same speed as an S2 7.9, Tartan 34, and Evelyn 26 (but prettier than all of them combined)

 

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On 4/28/2021 at 10:18 PM, Amati said:

No potty!  

The potty is important, especially for ladies.

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2 hours ago, Bull City said:

The potty is important, especially for ladies.

I like this one.  It has nothing to do with the 32. :lol:  Except it has a potty, looks to be SH, and it’s light.  The “ladies” :) seem to like it....

 

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6 minutes ago, Amati said:

I like this one.  It has nothing to do with the 32. :lol:  Except it has a potty, looks to be SH, and it’s light.  The “ladies” :) seem to like it.. and he looks to be of the age where he would appreciate it;)..

 

 

 

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30 minutes ago, Amati said:

I like this one.  It has nothing to do with the 32. :lol:  Except it has a potty, looks to be SH, and it’s light.  The “ladies” :) seem to like it....

 

 

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That Optio is a very interesting boat from a great builder. Much more practical than the Hood but lacks the boat porn factor.

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3 hours ago, Bristol-Cruiser said:

That Optio is a very interesting boat from a great builder. Much more practical than the Hood but lacks the boat porn factor.

But...but..... chines! :lol:

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While the Hood 32 has beauty, I’ve been doodling as well.  Amati goes narrow, Veeger’s going a bit wider and bigger overall.  38 x 12   6000#

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2 hours ago, Veeger said:

While the Hood 32 has beauty, I’ve been doodling as well.  Amati goes narrow, Veeger’s going a bit wider and bigger overall.  38 x 12   6000#

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Kind of a Gougeon vision!  Nice.

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15 hours ago, Veeger said:

While the Hood 32 has beauty, I’ve been doodling as well.  Amati goes narrow, Veeger’s going a bit wider and bigger overall.  38 x 12   6000#

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make sure you have enough volume in the bow to handle that cat rig off the wind without becoming a submarine. That was one of the big problems with the cat ketch version of the Freedom 36/38

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2 hours ago, ryley said:

make sure you have enough volume in the bow to handle that cat rig off the wind without becoming a submarine. That was one of the big problems with the cat ketch version of the Freedom 36/38

Yep, hence a carbon spar, somewhat aft, and a naval architect when the time comes....

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20 hours ago, Veeger said:

Yep, hence a carbon spar, somewhat aft, and a naval architect when the time comes....

Y’know, as a starting point could blow up a Finn *2.5 (@38’ for example you wind up pretty close to the beam you like), and spiral from there with the deck etc.  A keel might tame ddw hilarity in the big stuff?  (Although I always liked the behavior ddw... :)  character flaw and a delicious Bruder mast I guess) It’s really cool what that bow does to a chop.    And Frank Bethwaite liked it.  
 
edit- doodle of the mast back a bit to a more ‘normal position’ on a skinny sharpie - smacks of an a cat :lol:!

 

 

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The A Cat rig proportions are sweet.  (side note:  in my "I want a multihull' days, an enlarged A-cat with sleeping pod on the tramp figured in my dreams...)  I really like higher aspect rigs from an aesthetic standpoint.  However, the higher you go with the rig, you need one or more of the following:  greater beam, deeper  keel and less weight.  Each begins to be a detriment as they go more extreme. Either more $$$ or less convenience for an old guy who just wants to go sailing and maybe poke into quiet coves for an overnight.  

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A CW Hood 32 just started racing with us, at 147.  He owes us 24 secs per mile and we beat him by 3-4 minutes through the water.  Very small sample, of course and it was only one race.  6-20 knots, and he seemed underpowered in the lighter stuff.  Best looking boat out there, though, by far!

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2 hours ago, Veeger said:

The A Cat rig proportions are sweet.  (side note:  in my "I want a multihull' days, an enlarged A-cat with sleeping pod on the tramp figured in my dreams...)  I really like higher aspect rigs from an aesthetic standpoint.  However, the higher you go with the rig, you need one or more of the following:  greater beam, deeper  keel and less weight.  Each begins to be a detriment as they go more extreme. Either more $$$ or less convenience for an old guy who just wants to go sailing and maybe poke into quiet coves for an overnight.  

As Herreschoff liked to say about interesting things in general, that is why God let us invent C and D class catamarans.  And skinny cats, like the G32. Small boat, small rig....

Ignore the foresail....:P  D class, but there was a place in Germany making pre foiling C Class hulls.  Aquarius makes a 27 and a 30 footer, and they’ll do exactly what you’re talking about ^.  We were tossing around ideas for a G32 frankenboat using iirr their 30’ hulls, pod, smaller rig, skinny platform etc etc....

 

 

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I've sailed the CW Hood 32 several times in Newport, RI.  Boat seemed to move along pretty well in light air.  Was well behaved when the afternoon wind came up.  In addition to being pretty, it is comfortable.  The electric propulsion option was ahead of its time when I sailed one with that option.  My impression is that Chris is a good guy and will deliver a great boat. 

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I am convinced that the 5.5 is a very pretty boat. tonight while racing in a mixed fleet in the oakland estuary, i again observed the fleet of 5.5s were as elegant as one would want. The Hood 32 really doesn't have that much over them, including an active one design fleet that sails and races nearly every month of the year. There is a lot of misconceived notions about the status of new boats vs old ones. Lots of people can draw and the few can buy new. There is few things better than sailing and racing an old elegant boat well with good friends and one's own children. this notion is lost on many hoping to find uniqueness with a statement of priviledge and too easily are turned by sailing influencers on the internet with vested interests. Each boat owner and crew out there tonight what ever they sailed, sailed like millionaires.

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9 hours ago, Black Jack said:

. The Hood 32 really doesn't have that much over them, including an active one design fleet that sails and races nearly every month of the year.

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By way of comment, not criticism, you’ve made an assumption that many folks make.  Similar dimensions and overall appearance are not actually equivalents.  The cockpit of the 32 vs the cockpit of a 5.5 or similar are vastly different and speak to the priorities of the owner.  The 32 has a great cockpit that anyone on board can enjoy while being out on the water. The hand on the tiller may see the boats as similar, but the guest on the benches will experience things vastly differently.  Performance, while oft indicated by a rating, goes well beyond whether there is a fleet handy to compete with.  One can desire performance, including not having any vices, and still not have a desire for a killer rating.  ‘When’ I race, I don’t like being the last one in, even if I win on corrected time. (No doubt that is why the Maxi yachts are so attractive to some owners!)

I will explain my interest.  The 32 looks great and, notably, is of sufficiently light displacement that even when scaled up 50% (should one so desire) it is still a reasonably lightweight boat.  (Less displacement, less money for a new build—all else being equal—which it seldom is...) The cockpit, with a dodger, and with sufficient room for a head down below WITHOUT making it look like the designer was designing the exterior to fit the interior, is the goal.  The 32, as noted, in this thread, doesn’t have a potti , nor capacity even for a portable one, so my comfortable guests will want to return to the dock in a couple hours.  As I consider a custom concept, my priorities are. Cockpit, cockpit, cockpit, dodger, potti, looks, performance.  In that order but with equal weight :D

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Marblehead series pretty much ticks your boxes- the 36 or a larger version of the 28 (w/ the cabin stretched a bit?) and a dodger (or maybe the 28 with a dodger as is?) but for the 36 you’d have to find the right builder to meet your budget.  For me, the aesthetics are warmer retro than the 32. The real trick would be how developed the plans are-  or whether the design is starting from scratch.  Since the first one was wood Zurn  be  simpatico, I’m guessing with a yard like Schooner Creek.https://zurnyachts.com/concepts/sail/Marblehead-Series

 

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Probably a 32-34' version of the 28'er as opposed to a 32-34' version of the 36'er.  But yes, Doug's concept is in the running. It's still a custom boat and custom design.  Unless something has already be built or unless a mold exists, simply copying an existing design concept is every bit as expensive as starting from a blank sheet of paper--at that point, why copy?  (On the Marblehead series, I'd still like to see a bit of a stretch version with longer ends... of course, then it's no longer part of the Marblehead series and no longer a copy, thus a new custom design.  See how that works?)

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14 hours ago, Veeger said:

my priorities are. Cockpit, cockpit, cockpit, dodger, potti, looks, performance.  In that order but with equal weight :D

 This seems like the design brief for the Alerion 33, no?  (I'm sure they could fit a dodger)

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33 minutes ago, socalrider said:

 

 This seems like the design brief for the Alerion 33, no?  (I'm sure they could fit a dodger)

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Yes... but, No.  Too much cabin.  Cockpit too far aft.  The 'human' spaces are split almost evenly between cockpit and interior.  One of the things I like about the Hood 32, is that the cockpit is central in the boat.  In the Alerion, half of the dodger will cover the companionway, with only minimal protection of the forward end of the cockpit.  The ugly truth is that the marketing department understands that the missus won't say yes to six figure amounts that start with a 2 or more unless it also has a 'nice' cabin.  I continue to engage in my own personal lobbying efforts with she who must be convinced.... Here in the PNW, along with wind and spray, we need vertical protection from the liquid sunshine.  Most daysailer designs presume a warm, east coast or Mediterranean summer day.  Those type of days are rare here and when it's that warm, my dermatologist would prefer top protection as well. If the wind does blow, even a bit, our cool water quickly makes bare skin run and hide under some nice synthetic fabric from REI. (the west coast version of LL Bean).  All too often, one of the issues in these designs is that the mainsheet prohibits an adequate top, especially with the cockpit so far aft (which would also make for some visual/aesthetic challenges).  Not that full cockpit enclosures are all that uncommon these days, but they are afterthoughts and look like afterthoughts.  I want it integrated in the initial design...

It's all personal preference, hence the interest in a custom solution.  I've seen dozens and dozens of daysailers, both sailing and vaporware, that do not meet my (admittedly) unique desires.  That's what makes boats so much fun and keeps designers families from starving!

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