Chris in Santa Cruz, CA 946 Posted April 28, 2021 Share Posted April 28, 2021 Most likely buying a stock Hotfoot 20 this Saturday. Since I would not race the Hotfoot as a one design, what can I to optimize it and not have the rating change? Does a new rudder change the rating? Can I put low drag standing rigging on it and light halyards? Carbon pole? Retrofit a U20 prod and A-sail? How small an outboard (electrical?) can I get away with? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Pog 7 Posted April 28, 2021 Share Posted April 28, 2021 Check in with Snapper - He has done the same thing with a Holder 20. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Steam Flyer 8,439 Posted April 28, 2021 Share Posted April 28, 2021 Can't give any specifics on the H20 -but- I will say, "Readest thou thy local PHRF rule book." Sprit? It's in there. Motor? It's in there. Running rigging seems like it should be a gimmee but you never know... until you read The Book. Even local PHRF committee members have been known to cite bullshit that is not really a rule. FB- Doug 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Chris in Santa Cruz, CA 946 Posted April 28, 2021 Author Share Posted April 28, 2021 Thanks folks. Found Snapper's thread on the Holder. He put a Ballenger U20 rig and the class U20 rudder on the Holder. Wonder whether he put a new keel on it as he described. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Moore Play 20 Posted May 1, 2021 Share Posted May 1, 2021 "Reality is a bitch and then you die." Everything is a bitch; your life, your wife, & you die... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Chris in Santa Cruz, CA 946 Posted May 3, 2021 Author Share Posted May 3, 2021 Hotfoot 20 is in my driveway, 537 miles across desert, mountains and valleys from where it was. Steve at the Lake Mead Marina was critical to the endeavor from a transaction perspective as well as helping get the rig down and the boat/trailer ready to go 70 mph down the road. Thanks as well to Paul in BC, another Hotfoot owner who was available by phone to advise on road trip prep. Now its time to go through it end to end. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Steam Flyer 8,439 Posted May 3, 2021 Share Posted May 3, 2021 55 minutes ago, Chris in Santa Cruz, CA said: Hotfoot 20 is in my driveway, 537 miles across desert, mountains and valleys from where it was. Steve at the Lake Mead Marina was critical to the endeavor from a transaction perspective as well as helping get the rig down and the boat/trailer ready to go 70 mph down the road. Thanks as well to Paul in BC, another Hotfoot owner who was available by phone to advise on road trip prep. Now its time to go through it end to end. Congrats! Sounds like it will be a fun ride. Don't forget to send PICS! FB- Doug Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Chris in Santa Cruz, CA 946 Posted May 3, 2021 Author Share Posted May 3, 2021 14 minutes ago, Steam Flyer said: Congrats! Sounds like it will be a fun ride. Don't forget to send PICS! FB- Doug Thanks. Will post some pics. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Chris in Santa Cruz, CA 946 Posted May 6, 2021 Author Share Posted May 6, 2021 So here are some pics. Essentially never used ullman sails. Really leaning to taking the the upper diamond shrouds off to optimize upwind performance and just hoisting the big chute to the original fractional location and adding tweakers to get the foot low to retain shape but might order a heavy oz smaller bullet chute. I think the lower in the sailplan the center of effort the better! BTW, the boat has large watertight compartments. It cannot sink, but if we fill those compartments with empty plastic pop bottles it most certainly won't sink. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Chris in Santa Cruz, CA 946 Posted May 6, 2021 Author Share Posted May 6, 2021 Upon further review it looks like lowering the pole further gets it dangerously close to the water which could be bad. Further looking around in this Sportboat forum its clear that a heavy air chute might be the call along with a small prod and an a-sail. A 2nd reef point in the main might be useful as well. I have a rejected J100 rudder stock I could use as a fixed prod. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
hokie 20 Posted May 6, 2021 Share Posted May 6, 2021 Congrats! If your goals are ditch run and double damned I would avoid the sprit and rating hit. Get out now and start practicing for the June 12 ditch run! Expect that masthead kite will really add up in light-medium air downwind. A stock hotfoot is already much more powered up than a holder 20. Also, when you have a chance look at how small your keel bulb is compared to a U20. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Chris in Santa Cruz, CA 946 Posted May 6, 2021 Author Share Posted May 6, 2021 7 minutes ago, hokie said: Congrats! If your goals are ditch run and double damned I would avoid the sprit and rating hit. Get out now and start practicing for the June 12 ditch run! Expect that masthead kite will really add up in light-medium air downwind. A stock hotfoot is already much more powered up than a holder 20. Also, when you have a chance look at how small your keel bulb is compared to a U20. Thanks Hokie, not sure I really want to compare the bulbs Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Varan 2,137 Posted May 10, 2021 Share Posted May 10, 2021 Hotfoot bulb: 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Chris in Santa Cruz, CA 946 Posted May 10, 2021 Author Share Posted May 10, 2021 2 hours ago, Varan said: Hotfoot bulb: Your predictability precedes you. You need more ponies. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Steam Flyer 8,439 Posted May 10, 2021 Share Posted May 10, 2021 Chris, is this your boat? https://www.sailboatlistings.com/view/90378 I saw that and thought about it but is on the other side of the country. If yes, glad it went to good home. FB- Doug Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Chris in Santa Cruz, CA 946 Posted May 10, 2021 Author Share Posted May 10, 2021 2 hours ago, Steam Flyer said: Chris, is this your boat? https://www.sailboatlistings.com/view/90378 I saw that and thought about it but is on the other side of the country. If yes, glad it went to good home. FB- Doug Yes, that's the boat. It looks like it was being made ready for racing back in 2012-2014 in Newport Beach, CA and then never really used. New blue paint, new carbon laminated Ulman sails, masthead spinnaker is crispy and hardly used. Dacron practice sails also in almost new condition. I am putting a new mast hinge on it and refurbing the deck connection and the mast base/bottom of mast at the moment. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ryley 683 Posted May 11, 2021 Share Posted May 11, 2021 If I can make a pedantic suggestion, maybe sail the boat in its as-is configuration before you go making modifications. You may find that some of the perceived weaknesses aren't at all. Also, why would you think making those mods could be done without changing the rating? In some PHRF regions there are changes you can make that would end in a net-zero rating change, but usually with some implied compromise. Anyway, I've learned the hard way that making boat mods before you know what you have usually leads to things going back to the way they were, at double the cost. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Irrational 14 417 Posted May 11, 2021 Share Posted May 11, 2021 On 5/6/2021 at 10:20 AM, hokie said: Congrats! If your goals are ditch run and double damned I would avoid the sprit and rating hit. Get out now and start practicing for the June 12 ditch run! Expect that masthead kite will really add up in light-medium air downwind. A stock hotfoot is already much more powered up than a holder 20. Also, when you have a chance look at how small your keel bulb is compared to a U20. ^^THIS^^ Best info for you... Read it again. Both of these races are usually big breeze, big fleets, and narrow channel constraints at some point. You won't want to be jibing much unless you absolutely have to. You want to go deep and fast. Leave the boat as is. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Chris in Santa Cruz, CA 946 Posted May 12, 2021 Author Share Posted May 12, 2021 19 hours ago, ryley said: If I can make a pedantic suggestion, maybe sail the boat in its as-is configuration before you go making modifications. You may find that some of the perceived weaknesses aren't at all. Also, why would you think making those mods could be done without changing the rating? In some PHRF regions there are changes you can make that would end in a net-zero rating change, but usually with some implied compromise. Anyway, I've learned the hard way that making boat mods before you know what you have usually leads to things going back to the way they were, at double the cost. Good advice, I will put the new lead bulb project on hold Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Chris in Santa Cruz, CA 946 Posted May 12, 2021 Author Share Posted May 12, 2021 16 hours ago, Irrational 14 said: ^^THIS^^ Best info for you... Read it again. Both of these races are usually big breeze, big fleets, and narrow channel constraints at some point. You won't want to be jibing much unless you absolutely have to. You want to go deep and fast. Leave the boat as is. Copy. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Pro looper 92 Posted May 12, 2021 Share Posted May 12, 2021 I may be mistaken but I think I saw a u-20 keel outside elkhorn composites give craig a call Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Chris in Santa Cruz, CA 946 Posted May 12, 2021 Author Share Posted May 12, 2021 35 minutes ago, Pro looper said: I may be mistaken but I think I saw a u-20 keel outside elkhorn composites give craig a call sounds like a good reason to stop by and say hello, thanks Quote Link to post Share on other sites
⚡️parkyJohn 0 Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 Any updates/pictures? I own hull #12 and am curious Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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