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https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/551465-mcconnell-no-senate-republicans-will-back-biden-on-4t

 

McConnell today announces that Biden's $4+ trillion infrastructure and families bill is "too much" for any Republican. His counteroffer of $600 billion isn't even 20% of what Biden is asking, and is funded through potentially illegal forced returns of aid provided to states (but only blue states) for the pandemic. "States' rights" only applies to red states, apparently.

 

100 years from now when you won't be able to find an intact bridge or a functioning railway in the all-white, all-Christian Republican states, people will gather around their bibles in their huts and whisper reverently of McConnell's bravery in guaranteeing that no lasting infrastructure or economic transformation was allowed to go through. After all, you can't have car accidents if you don't have roads!

 

As a 25 year old: idiots!

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45 minutes ago, saxdog said:

We should name the most broken down rusty bridge in Kentucky after MItch McConnell .

I think that bridge is probably in his mouth.

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I guess it depends on how you define 'infrastructure' nowadays.
About 30 pct is 'Transportation'  $620 B 
Home care services and 'workforce' is $400B
Affordable Housing $200B.. Who gets those? 

This should be required viewing for Uncle Joe and AOC 

  

 

 

 

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9 minutes ago, Cristoforo said:

I guess it depends on how you define 'infrastructure' nowadays.
About 30 pct is 'Transportation'  $620 B 
Home care services and 'workforce' is $400B
Affordable Housing $200B.. Who gets those? 

 

  

 

 

 

If you don't invest in your community, it eventually falls down......

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2 minutes ago, Ease the sheet. said:

If you don't invest in your community, it eventually falls down......

 If you ask most small service businesses  their biggest problem now is finding employees. They are happy and willing to hire but can not compete with the government 
paying people to go to the beach this summer.  Child care is investing in the community?  So is Grandma watching the kids.  

 

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6 minutes ago, Cristoforo said:

Child care is investing in the community?  So is Grandma watching the kids.

How quaint. Just like the old days.

You know: the old days when Grandma didn't have to have two jobs of her own.

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11 minutes ago, Cristoforo said:

 If you ask most small service businesses  their biggest problem now is finding employees. They are happy and willing to hire but can not compete with the government 
paying people to go to the beach this summer. 

 

I suppose you are referring to the unemployment vs the meager paychecks.  Funny how it isn't about how the federal minimum wage hasn't risen in more than a decade.  As such, when you account for inflation, folks are going backwards.

Raising the federal minimum wage to $15 by 2025 would lift the pay of 32 million workers

Of course, that works out to just over $31K.  Try to buy a house, take a decent vacation, save for the future, or send a kid to college on that.

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1 hour ago, Mrleft8 said:

I think that bridge is probably in his mouth.

It is a bridge too far.  For those who imagination ends with the donors checkbook.  

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41 minutes ago, Bus Driver said:

I suppose you are referring to the unemployment vs the meager paychecks.  Funny how it isn't about how the federal minimum wage hasn't risen in more than a decade.  As such, when you account for inflation, folks are going backwards.

Raising the federal minimum wage to $15 by 2025 would lift the pay of 32 million workers

Of course, that works out to just over $31K.  Try to buy a house, take a decent vacation, save for the future, or send a kid to college on that.

I’m not sure where you found that tangent. 
Everyone in the northeast is paying over minimum wage.  Signs all over Home Depot today and they are hiring anything that breathes for $15+   Nothing to do with minimum wage.  But thanks for playing.

So you think it’s better for able bodied people to be paid by the government not to work, than contributing to production  and the economy and their own development? 

https://youtu.be/eiRGRvE_Wqg

 

 

 

 

 

 


 

 

 

 

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13 minutes ago, Navig8tor said:

Infrastructure is good when the R's hold power, its a commie plot when they don't.

Talking about and promising infrastructure seems to be the limit for the R's, they haven't actually built anything useful for decades.

Not that the border wall wasn't useful.

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1 minute ago, Cristoforo said:

I’m not sure where you found that tangent. 
Everyone in the northeast is lying over minimum wage.  Signs all over Home Depot today and they are hiring anything that breathes for $15+   Nothing to do with minimum wage.  But thanks for playing.

https://youtu.be/eiRGRvE_Wqg

 

 

 

 

 

 


 

 

 

 

Is your connection to earth somewhat abstract? 

I'm sure that slave labor makes you all happy and giggly.

The employees should have no health care and the doctors need to be millionaires.  

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4 minutes ago, Ishmael said:
18 minutes ago, Navig8tor said:

Infrastructure is good when the R's hold power, its a commie plot when they don't.

Talking about and promising infrastructure seems to be the limit for the R's, they haven't actually built anything useful for decades.

Not that the border wall wasn't useful.

The problem with infrastructure, from the Republican point of view, is that once you fix up the roads and bridges, there is no way to prohibit Democrats from driving on it.

To paraphrase Golda Meir, there will be no success in America until Republicans love their country more than they hate Democrats. Or just all fuckin' die off, which is looking like a possibility

- DSK

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19 minutes ago, Cristoforo said:

I’m not sure where you found that tangent. 
Everyone in the northeast is paying over minimum wage.  Signs all over Home Depot today and they are hiring anything that breathes for $15+   Nothing to do with minimum wage.  But thanks for playing.

So you think it’s better for able bodied people to be paid by the government not to work, than contributing to production  and the economy and their own development? 

https://youtu.be/eiRGRvE_Wqg

I'm not sure where you got that, but it isn't from anything I typed.

I believe the fact that wages are stagnant, while the cost of living rises, has quite a bit to do with companies having a hard time hiring.

Home Depot could easily pay employees a living wage.  But, that would hit the CEO, all the other execs, and the stockholders in the wallet. 

And, it is THEY who are making the company profitable.  Not the folks in the orange aprons.

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2 hours ago, saxdog said:

We should name the most broken down rusty bridge in Kentucky after MItch McConnell .

Everyone will Love driving over the Dickface Bridge  every time they travel through Kentucky...

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6 minutes ago, dacapo said:

Everyone will Love driving over the Dickface Bridge  every time they travel through Kentucky...

A bridge is the last thing that McConnell should give his name to. A dam would be more appropriate.

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19 minutes ago, dacapo said:

Everyone will Love driving over the Dickface Bridge  every time they travel through Kentucky...

How about a sinkhole.

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1 hour ago, Danceswithoctopus said:

How quaint. Just like the old days.

You know: the old days when Grandma didn't have to have two jobs of her own.

My grandmother DID have 2 jobs. Up until she was about 70, then one job till she was about 80. Wasn't too easy for her.  That 50s "ideal" state was a figment of the rich white mans imagination. 

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14 minutes ago, Sol Rosenberg said:

Infrastructure weak. 

Ha. You know, they COULD have had an argument about debt, fiscal responsibility, etc, but they gave up that policy with Reagan. They only held onto the talking points starting with him. Looks like even the Elk know that shit won't fly anymore from the party of "our borrowing is bigger than yours!"

 

Well, I think Biden will beat them at their own game this time. 

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3 hours ago, Cristoforo said:

 If you ask most small service businesses  their biggest problem now is finding employees. They are happy and willing to hire but can not compete with the government 
paying people to go to the beach this summer.  Child care is investing in the community?  So is Grandma watching the kids.  

 

If they were truly happy and willing, they'd pay a wage that happily and willingly encouraged applicants.

 

And why should grandma watch the kids? What's wrong with real jobs for that task?

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4 hours ago, Navig8tor said:

Infrastructure is good when the R's hold power, its a commie plot when they don't.

You'd think! But somehow in 4 years of Fire and Fury the only "infrastructure" which seems to have been built is a few miles of border wall... at the cost of the flood protection system of the Rio Grande!

 

https://weather.com/news/news/2021-04-15-border-wall-gaps-in-texas-levees-flooding-hidalgo-county

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Any policy suggestion that could result in large quantities of people getting decent, steady jobs that pay them enough so that they are not kept in such a state of perpetual desperation that they will work for anything will be met by the Best Americans unleashing their bullshitting media/social media hoards like flying monkeys from Oz, to gin up a bullshit version of reality. We see it presently in the push to chastise people not chasing poverty wages.
 

Want people to work? Supply and demand. Fucking PAY them!

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2 minutes ago, Sol Rosenberg said:

Any policy suggestion that could result in large quantities of people getting decent, steady jobs that pay them enough so that they are not kept in such a state of perpetual desperation that they will work for anything will be met by the Best Americans unleashing their bullshitting media/social media hoards like flying monkeys from Oz, to gin up a bullshit version of reality. We see it presently in the push to chastise people not chasing poverty wages.
 

Want people to work? Supply and demand. Fucking PAY them!

If the democrats platform proves popular, they might get re-elected!

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8 hours ago, Ease the sheet. said:

If they were truly happy and willing, they'd pay a wage that happily and willingly encouraged applicants.

 

And why should grandma watch the kids? What's wrong with real jobs for that task?

Do you know how much they charge for after school care in Melbourne?

Do you know how much the carers are paid?

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43 minutes ago, 00seven said:

Do you know how much they charge for after school care in Melbourne?

Do you know how much the carers are paid?

Yes and Yes. Your point? 

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12 hours ago, Ishmael said:

A bridge is the last thing that McConnell should give his name to. A dam would be more appropriate.

Or a sewage treatment plant...

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25 minutes ago, Remodel said:

Or a sewage treatment plant...

Hey now, don't get personal.  Water Reclamation Facilities are pretty damn important for modern society to function.

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26 minutes ago, saxdog said:

The man is a more like a failing septic tank.

OK, those can be bad.

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Both Sidesism alert !!

You may recall that the GOP Reich also opposed infrastructure investments under Obama ..  

Now they oppose it again. 

Americans need to understand that the GOP Reich is perfectly willing to 

do damage to the country for partisan gain. 

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3 hours ago, Sol Rosenberg said:

Any policy suggestion that could result in large quantities of people getting decent, steady jobs that pay them enough so that they are not kept in such a state of perpetual desperation that they will work for anything will be met by the Best Americans unleashing their bullshitting media/social media hoards like flying monkeys from Oz, to gin up a bullshit version of reality. We see it presently in the push to chastise people not chasing poverty wages.
 

Want people to work? Supply and demand. Fucking PAY them!

Apparently, some people would rather just fuck them and then pee in your glass.

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15 hours ago, Navig8tor said:

Infrastructure is good when the R's hold power, its a commie plot when they don't.

We absolutely have to invest in infrastructure. In many ways, we're still coasting (literally) on the highways and bridge infrastructure built during the Eisenhower Administrations. More, we need advanced infrastructure like energy storage, carbon-neutral energy, desalination, grain pipelines, segregated highways, internet resiliency, lead-free water distribution, sewage, spillways, rail, electrical transmission, smart grid.

So given all that, how much of Biden's infrastructure bill is actually for infrastructure? $4 trillion? $3 trillion? $2.5 trillion? How much do the states contribute?

I looked at the White House fact sheet on it, and I did a quick back-of-the-envelope add on the actual infrastructure items. Everyone should do that, so they can perhaps understand the reservation of why some of the Evil Satanic Republicans might not necessarily grant their full support of this.

And remember that Eisenhower's Federal Highway Act came to about $30 billion dollars, it was the biggest Federal public works project in history, it built nearly 50,000 miles of our Interstate Highway System that we use today, with the astonishing secondary benefit that we essentially got the highways for free, because they were dual-purposed for defense, with open strips for landing cargo planes, ramps for loading heavy equipment like tanks and earthmovers, and perimeter defenses around coastal cities. In 2021 dollars, that $30 billion would be worth something like $250 billion, so we can get some perspective on President Biden's bill.

Okay, so Eisenhower spent the equivalent of $250 billion in the biggest public works project in history and built the interstate highway system that we all still use to this day, and that was actual Federal budget, we didn't have to go into a whole lot of debt for that, it was spaced over about ten years, average $3,000,000,000 per year or so. What infrastructure will we get for our $4,000,000,000,000 in debt? (I used zeroes deliberately there, btw.)

Being a lefty means being smart with money, and avoiding debt if at all possible, while trying to improve the lives of the people who have been passed by. We need to minimize debt because we have a responsibility to our children and grandchildren to pass on a healthy and vibrant economy and country. Does this bill do that? And further, if we expect, as lefties to see our folks elected for a while, so we can see some positive changes with social justice, then our  representatives need to show that they're seriously concerned with lowering debt, with delivering value of taxpayer dollars and with finding innovative ways to improve the economy. Are we doing that? We know that Trump did fuck-all to any of that, but now is this bill going to accomplish that?

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