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I've gone through the work to mitigate the resonances of the small room with absorbers and a Quadratic Residue diffuser, and am using it for practice and rehearsals. I've started to look at what is a base set of tools to have in studio, so that the other band guys don't have to schlep as much around.

Expected uses: Practicing Drums, rehearsing with guitars and bass, home office when not playing.

Inventory:

  • Infrastructure:
    • Stools w/ & w/o backs
    • Mike stands
    • Music stands
    • Guitar hangers on wall
    • Beverage refrigerator
    • Daybed/couch
  • Microphones:
    • 2x Sennheiser 825
    • 1 Sennheiser 835 for bass voice
    • 1 Dayton USB Calibration
  • Amp:
    • Boss Katana 50 Guitar
    • Simmons DA2108 Drums
    • Ampeg BA210 Bass
  • Monitors
    • Mackie CRX-5
  • Digital interface (Presonus Studio 68C)
  • Macbook & Windows laptops, 43" monitor
  • Software:
    • Studio One Artist Digital audio Workstation "DAW"
    • Bundled effects and VST from S1
    • Eventide Harmonizer H910
    • REW for room equalization
    • Boss Tone for Katana
    • Drivers for Katana and Roland drums
  • Cables:
    • Too damn many
  • Instruments:
    • Roland TD17KV edrums
    • Stephen Slate Drums VST
    • EZBass VST

Contemplations:

MIDI Controller Keyboard for DAW control, arranging and adding EZBase lines

BOSS ME80 multi-effects pedal (also Boss tone compatible)

Some type of Keyboard synthesizer VST software (EZKeys?)

Questions:

anything that is missing for casual playing?

 

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If ‘casual playing’ involves recording jams live off the floor, look into a multi track digital mixer/recording unit. While the Presonus is good gear, and I’d still get that as well for laying individual tracks straight to the computer, your limited to two tracks at a time.

No specific model recommendations, but there’s a lot out there for not a lot of money considering what you’ve laid out on your list.

If it was me, I would try to get most of this gear used from a reputable rental department.  Why pay retail for basic mics, stands, cables, mixing boards, pa speakers etc. Save your money for the stuff that actually calls for being picky about(ie certain mics/individual instruments and amps).

Another route you might consider would be to skip the additional digital multi track and go with a hi quality digital field recorder instead. The Zoom models have pretty good dual mics and 4 line ins right in the unit for more mic’s/instruments. For recording casual jams these can get a pretty good room recording on the existing mics, you can line in 4 more tracks, and dumping it to your digital station is a breeze. It will give you way more recording capacity for long multi track jams than just the PreSonus(You’ll need an extra battery) 

Heres an example...a lot of people are using these or similar now days for small digital home set ups.

https://zoomcorp.com/en/ca/handheld-recorders/handheld-recorders/h6-audio-recorder/

 

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FWIW

- Portable gobos (sound baffles); a few 4x4, 6x6

- sound proofed amp containers of baffles.

- at least a pair of Neuman 184 (or similar like AKG 451, Shure SM81) for close mic'ing string instruments.

- If dollars available, pair of AKG c414's

- at least a couple of Beta 58's because there are just some voices that don't work well with condensers.

YMMV

cheers

 

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  • Dangerous BAX EQ in Walnut Housing
  • Dangerous Compressor Unit in Walnut Housing
  • Mark of the Unicorn MTP AV Rack-Mount Midi Timepiece
  • Tascam CD-500B Single Rackspace CD Player
  • Peterson Strobo Rack Rack-Mount Strobe Tuner
  • Solid State Logic SIGMA Rack-Mount Analog Summing Device
  • Avid Eleven Rack Guitar Multi-Effects Processor and Pro Tools Interface
  • KORG MN-2000S Rack-Mount Studio DSD Recorder
  • Pendulum Audio SPS-1 Stereo Preamp System for Acoustic Instruments
  • Avalon AD2022 Dual Mono Microphone Preamplifier
  • Tripp-Lite Model SMART2200RMXL2U Rack-Mount Uninterruptible Power Supply
  • Avid HD I/O 8 x 8 x 8 Audio Interface
  • Gefen DVIDL Rack-Mount 2x2 Switcher & (2) Boosters
  • Waves SoundGrid Extreme Server
  • DiGiGrid DLI SoundGrid Expansion Interface
  • Radial JD7 - Jensen Equipped 2-channel Active Re-Amping Device
  • Antelope Audio Isochrone Trinity 384 kHz Master Clock
  • Aviom A-16II Personal Monitor Mixers
  • Aviom A-16D Pro A-Net Rack-Mount Distributor
  • Aviom AN-16i A-Net Rack-Mount Input Module
  • Netgear Model GS724TP 24 Port Rack-Mount Switch
  • Middle Atlantic Products Model PDLT-815RV-RN Rack-Mount 15amp Power Center w/ Light
  • Middle Atlantic Products Model PD-1815R-RN Rack-Mount Power Conditioner
  • Redco Audio 48-Port Rack-Mount Patch Panels
  • Custom Hardwood Rolling Component Racks
  • (4) Neumann U 87 Ai Condenser Microphones
  • Matched Pair of AEA R84 Stereo Microphones
  • Matched Pair of Royer SF1 Microphones
  • DPA 4003 OMNIDIRECTIONAL 130V
  • Matched Pair Audix SCX-25 Condenser Microphones
  • RODE NTK Studio Condenser Microphone
  • Panasonic TC-P65S1 65" VIERA 1080p Plasma HDTV
  • Acoustic Research ES-1 Turntable
  • Pirgelli Automations Floor-Mount Pop Up TV Lift with Dual Monitor brackets
  • Beyerdynamic DT 880 Pro 250 ohm Semi-open Reference Studio Headphones
  • Custom Made Maple & Cherry Studio Desk w/ Leather Inlaid Top
  • Herman Miller Aeron Adjustable Executive Chair
  • Sennheiser HD 265 Linear Headband Headphones HIFI Stereo
  • Robert Allen Group Studio Fabric AND MORE!
Guitars, Pedals and Amplifiers:
  • 2007 Roman / Eastman Thinline Blues Deluxe Electric Guitar
  • 1992 Gibson Les Paul Standard Electric Guitar
  • 2010 Fender American Standard Electric Jazz Bass
  • Fender Fret-Less Electric Jazz Bass
  • Yamaha CG110-A Classical Acoustic Guitar
  • Hans Garrett AM554 Classic Acoustic Guitar
  • Pearl Bass Drum w/ Malicious Brothers Logo
  • Bruno Underground 30 Tube Amp Head & 1 x 2 Cabinet
  • Marshall JTM45 MKII 45w Vintage Reissue Tube Amp Head & 1960BX 4 x 12 100 Watt Cabinet
  • Fender '65 Deluxe Reverb Reissue 22w 1x12 Tube Guitar Combo
  • Crate Vintage Club 60 Tube Combo Amp
  • Turbo RAT Distortion Pedal
  • T.C. Electronic Stereo Chorus + Pitch Modulator & Flanger
  • Ibanez Tube Screamer TS9 & TS808 Pedals
  • Voodoo Labs Wahzoo Pedal
  • VOX Wah Pedal
  • BOSS Volume Pedal
  • T.C. Electronic G System Multi-Effects Floor Processor
  • Roland FC-300 MIDI Foot Controller
  • Line 6 Floor Board
  • DigiTech Talker Advanced Vocal Synthesis Processor
  • M Gear EX.P Expression Pedal
  • Radial SGI Studio Guitar Interface
  • Radial J33 2-channel Active Turntable Preamp/Direct Box
  • Paul Reed Smith PRS / Waves GTR Studio Guitar Interface Preamp & Direct Box
  • (2) Manley Laboratories, Inc. Starbird Mic Boom Stand
  • (5) DR Pro 210 Professional Mic Stand w/ Boom
  • (4) DR Pro DR259 Low Profile Mic Boom Stand
  • (2) Rapco Horizon 28 Pair 24 Bay Stage Snake
  • Monster, Mogami, Neumann, DiMarzio, Prolink Cables
  • Roland R-09HR High Resolution WAVe/MP3 Recorder AND MORE!
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3 hours ago, fufkin said:

If ‘casual playing’ involves recording jams live off the floor, look into a multi track digital mixer/recording unit. While the Presonus is good gear, and I’d still get that as well for laying individual tracks straight to the computer, your limited to two tracks at a time.

Um.. No.. the Presonus has 4 inputs to preamps and the drums go via USB Audio & MIDI so I am tracking closer to 15 with each drum/cymbal mapped

9 MIDI, 2 stereo over USB and 4 analog inputs. .

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2 hours ago, palacegrand said:

FWIW

- Portable gobos (sound baffles); a few 4x4, 6x6

- sound proofed amp containers of baffles.

- at least a pair of Neuman 184 (or similar like AKG 451, Shure SM81) for close mic'ing string instruments.

- If dollars available, pair of AKG c414's

- at least a couple of Beta 58's because there are just some voices that don't work well with condensers.

YMMV

cheers

 

Thanks for the suggestions, so far we are using dynamics, wiith large and small condensers over the horizon but on the path.

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  • (2) Mac mini Computers
  • T.C. Electronic TC Icon Remote System 6000
  • Grace Design m906 Monitoring System
  • AE Logic Millennia HV-3R 8-channel Microphone Preamp
  • Prism Sound Dream ADA-8XR Audio Interface with 16-Channel A/D for Pro Tools HDX
  • Euphonix MC Mix DAW Control Surface
  • Euphonix MC Control Surface
  • Euphonix MC Transport Compact Media Control Surface
  • Dangerous BAX EQ in Walnut Housing
  • Dangerous Compressor Unit in Walnut Housing
  • Mark of the Unicorn MTP AV Rack-Mount Midi Timepiece
  • Tascam CD-500B Single Rackspace CD Player
  • Peterson Strobo Rack Rack-Mount Strobe Tuner
  • Solid State Logic SIGMA Rack-Mount Analog Summing Device
  • Avid Eleven Rack Guitar Multi-Effects Processor and Pro Tools Interface
  • KORG MN-2000S Rack-Mount Studio DSD Recorder
  • Pendulum Audio SPS-1 Stereo Preamp System for Acoustic Instruments
  • Avalon AD2022 Dual Mono Microphone Preamplifier
  • Tripp-Lite Model SMART2200RMXL2U Rack-Mount Uninterruptible Power Supply
  • Avid HD I/O 8 x 8 x 8 Audio Interface
  • Gefen DVIDL Rack-Mount 2x2 Switcher & (2) Boosters
  • Waves SoundGrid Extreme Server
  • DiGiGrid DLI SoundGrid Expansion Interface
  • Radial JD7 - Jensen Equipped 2-channel Active Re-Amping Device
  • Antelope Audio Isochrone Trinity 384 kHz Master Clock
  • Aviom A-16II Personal Monitor Mixers
  • Aviom A-16D Pro A-Net Rack-Mount Distributor
  • Aviom AN-16i A-Net Rack-Mount Input Module
  • Netgear Model GS724TP 24 Port Rack-Mount Switch
  • Middle Atlantic Products Model PDLT-815RV-RN Rack-Mount 15amp Power Center w/ Light
  • Middle Atlantic Products Model PD-1815R-RN Rack-Mount Power Conditioner
  • Redco Audio 48-Port Rack-Mount Patch Panels
  • Custom Hardwood Rolling Component Racks
  • (4) Neumann U 87 Ai Condenser Microphones
  • Matched Pair of AEA R84 Stereo Microphones
  • Matched Pair of Royer SF1 Microphones
  • DPA 4003 OMNIDIRECTIONAL 130V
  • Matched Pair Audix SCX-25 Condenser Microphones
  • RODE NTK Studio Condenser Microphone
  • Panasonic TC-P65S1 65" VIERA 1080p Plasma HDTV
  • Acoustic Research ES-1 Turntable
  • Pirgelli Automations Floor-Mount Pop Up TV Lift with Dual Monitor brackets
  • Beyerdynamic DT 880 Pro 250 ohm Semi-open Reference Studio Headphones
  • Custom Made Maple & Cherry Studio Desk w/ Leather Inlaid Top
  • Herman Miller Aeron Adjustable Executive Chair
  • Sennheiser HD 265 Linear Headband Headphones HIFI Stereo
  • Robert Allen Group Studio Fabric AND MORE!
Guitars, Pedals and Amplifiers:
  • 2007 Roman / Eastman Thinline Blues Deluxe Electric Guitar
  • 1992 Gibson Les Paul Standard Electric Guitar
  • 2010 Fender American Standard Electric Jazz Bass
  • Fender Fret-Less Electric Jazz Bass
  • Yamaha CG110-A Classical Acoustic Guitar
  • Hans Garrett AM554 Classic Acoustic Guitar
  • Pearl Bass Drum w/ Malicious Brothers Logo
  • Bruno Underground 30 Tube Amp Head & 1 x 2 Cabinet
  • Marshall JTM45 MKII 45w Vintage Reissue Tube Amp Head & 1960BX 4 x 12 100 Watt Cabinet
  • Fender '65 Deluxe Reverb Reissue 22w 1x12 Tube Guitar Combo
  • Crate Vintage Club 60 Tube Combo Amp
  • Turbo RAT Distortion Pedal
  • T.C. Electronic Stereo Chorus + Pitch Modulator & Flanger
  • Ibanez Tube Screamer TS9 & TS808 Pedals
  • Voodoo Labs Wahzoo Pedal
  • VOX Wah Pedal
  • BOSS Volume Pedal
  • T.C. Electronic G System Multi-Effects Floor Processor
  • Roland FC-300 MIDI Foot Controller
  • Line 6 Floor Board
  • DigiTech Talker Advanced Vocal Synthesis Processor
  • M Gear EX.P Expression Pedal
  • Radial SGI Studio Guitar Interface
  • Radial J33 2-channel Active Turntable Preamp/Direct Box
  • Paul Reed Smith PRS / Waves GTR Studio Guitar Interface Preamp & Direct Box
  • (2) Manley Laboratories, Inc. Starbird Mic Boom Stand
  • (5) DR Pro 210 Professional Mic Stand w/ Boom
  • (4) DR Pro DR259 Low Profile Mic Boom Stand
  • (2) Rapco Horizon 28 Pair 24 Bay Stage Snake
  • Monster, Mogami, Neumann, DiMarzio, Prolink Cables
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54 minutes ago, LionessRacing said:

happy to buy used, and auctions tend to have good prices. VT is a bit of a drive from SC...

 

It is an online auction and they will ship. I've gone to a few of these and it is a reputable auction company. Just thought some of you might like to see it.

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43 minutes ago, LionessRacing said:

Um.. No.. the Presonus has 4 inputs to preamps and the drums go via USB Audio & MIDI so I am tracking closer to 15 with each drum/cymbal mapped

9 MIDI, 2 stereo over USB and 4 analog inputs. .

Well I'm looking at my over ten year old PreSonus Firebox right now(its been a while since I've used it!), a predecessor to your unit, and yes you're right, I forgot about the extra two line instrument channels in the back of the unit in addition to the main 1/2 XLR/line inputs on the front. 

Put aside the track count for your electronic drums as they are MIDI/USB and you're still left with only four analog channel inputs, only two of which are XLR. 

For me at least, the PreSonus has proven useful when recording a one at a time bass/guitar/keyboard direct into an existing digital mix on something like LogicPro/Ableton etc. For that its great, and has quality preamps and what seems like a pretty decent analog/digital converted sound.

As for handling even a small live off the floor set up, that's a different kettle that I don't think just the basic Presonus is ideal for, or at the very least it would likely be somewhat limiting. For live off the floor, for my home set up, I  use a Tescam 24 track digital work station(great sound/mix/big hard disk recording capability/ horrible navigability), which lives in another room with the monitors and is XLR/line cabled into the session room...it'll give you 4 XLR/line inputs plus another 4 balanced line inputs, plus a 9th 'mirror' input, that are then assignable to the 24 tracks. At the very least, the 4 XLR inputs are always in play, along with at least a couple of line inputs. You can mix and monitor live very accurately, record your mix/ remix etc. and when you're ready, all the tracks get dumped to the computer for further mixing/editing/over dubs/additional solos or overdubs(off the PreSonus at that point). 

Good luck and have fun whatever you decide to do. 

 

 

 

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10 hours ago, fufkin said:

Put aside the track count for your electronic drums as they are MIDI/USB and you're still left with only four analog channel inputs, only two of which are XLR. 

not to quibble, all four are XLR/1/4" combo, the two front are "mic/line/instr" with line/instrument switchable, the two in rear  (#3,4) are mic/line only. Agreed that this is not big enough for an ensemble, I'd want 8+ mixer for that to give each a mic and an instrument/line channel.

For what it's worth have been looking hard at the X18 Air to get rid of latency for live uses.

Question of having each person manage their own effects/tone +/or some level of mix--> effects for venue --> PA system

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14 hours ago, LionessRacing said:

not to quibble, all four are XLR/1/4" combo, the two front are "mic/line/instr" with line/instrument switchable, the two in rear  (#3,4) are mic/line only. Agreed that this is not big enough for an ensemble, I'd want 8+ mixer for that to give each a mic and an instrument/line channel.

For what it's worth have been looking hard at the X18 Air to get rid of latency for live uses.

Question of having each person manage their own effects/tone +/or some level of mix--> effects for venue --> PA system

No worries. I was looking at my PreSonus Firebox which has line inputs on the back...your model is obviously upgraded...slightly(and still a great and necessary unit for your set up don't get me wrong).

I think a 'small ensemble' can easily get to a minimum four/six inputs in a hurry regardless of drums, so I don't think we are on the same page on that.

It is good that you are looking to address the inevitable latency/buffering issues(with an outboard unit) you're going to have by loading 4 digital to analog live off the floor converted tracks along with your USB/MIDI 5th channel onto whatever multi-track domain(in board/software buffering offset capabilities) you'll be using on your computer. You'll need it, and it can become a drag and a distraction to have to get around it some times. You'll have to start by messing around with it and see what your set up can handle and go from there. It might involve removing plug ins and effects from certain tracks while on the fly in a live setting, which can be a distraction to the creative process. i.e. everything is doable but that doesn't mean it's ideal...

This is maybe one of a couple reasons why, at a certain price point and at certain expectation levels, digital workstations fill the gap.

 

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On 5/6/2021 at 9:23 PM, fufkin said:

ou'll need it, and it can become a drag and a distraction to have to get around it some times. You'll have to start by messing around with it and see what your set up can handle and go from there. It might involve removing plug ins and effects from certain tracks while on the fly in a live setting, which can be a distraction to the creative process. i.e. everything is doable but that doesn't mean it's ideal...

Per other post above, currently my talent is the limiting factor, but that's harder to fix with good planning and a bit of expenditure. Practicing to build skill, endurance and muscle memory takes integrated time. Getting the limb independence is pretty much a reprogramming effort of some rather low level wetware, there are drills to facilitate, it still takes time. Fortunately in this era there are programs such as "Melodics" that can score every note, and show you that you are missing early, late or so poorly that it's just not there.. 

 

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