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I am new poster to the forum and hoping to crowdsource some ideas on a boat.  I provided some background below, but in short I am looking for some ideas for boats in the 25-30 ft range or 30-33/34 ft range that are quick, but also recreationally cruise/daysail well. 

Boat Type - performance cruiser, cruiser/racer

Area - San Francisco Bay
Primary Use - day Sailing in the bay
Secondary Uses - maybe some racing, maybe some close coastal trip and an occasional overnight


Size Option 1 (slight preference) - 25-30 ft
Size Option 2 - 31-33/34 ft.  
[I broke these size categories up because  I am on wait lists for a 30 ft and 34 ft slip]

Ride Quality - quick, but stable.  Heeled over a bit is fine, but nothing too intense.  My wife doesn’t want to get super wet, so this eliminates low-sitting J boats, Pogo 30, etc. 

Features -  good deck space for 4 people, or 6 more tightly packed on the aft deck.  Underneath features are something my wife wants, but lower priority for me. 

Stability - stable to handle the Bay winds and gusts.  I want it to be easy enough for 2 handed sailing, or single hand if needed

Boats in Primary Consideration 
-Hanse 315
-Beneteau Oceanis 30.1
-Dufour 310
-Delher 29 (lowest in this group)

De-Prioritized Boats
-Elan E3
-Jenneau Sun Fast 3300
-J/88
-Pogo 30

I used to do some racing on smaller boats, Hobie 16s, Corsairs, and Santana 30s.  I've also sailed some Catalinas and hunters in the 25-30ft range and they drove like trucks, so I'm trying to strike a good balance. 

Any boat recommendations, comments on these options, or is this an impossible ask???

I did see a local Beneteau 331 for up for 67000, so any comments on this too would be appreciated, but I suspect it will be similar to the Catalina/Hunter like boats. 

Thanks for any input, recommendations, leads!

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36 minutes ago, jacksf said:

I am new poster to the forum and hoping to crowdsource some ideas on a boat.  I provided some background below, but in short I am looking for some ideas for boats in the 25-30 ft range or 30-33/34 ft range that are quick, but also recreationally cruise/daysail well. 

Boat Type - performance cruiser, cruiser/racer

Area - San Francisco Bay
Primary Use - day Sailing in the bay
Secondary Uses - maybe some racing, maybe some close coastal trip and an occasional overnight


Size Option 1 (slight preference) - 25-30 ft
Size Option 2 - 31-33/34 ft.  
[I broke these size categories up because  I am on wait lists for a 30 ft and 34 ft slip]

Ride Quality - quick, but stable.  Heeled over a bit is fine, but nothing too intense.  My wife doesn’t want to get super wet, so this eliminates low-sitting J boats, Pogo 30, etc. 

Features -  good deck space for 4 people, or 6 more tightly packed on the aft deck.  Underneath features are something my wife wants, but lower priority for me. 

Stability - stable to handle the Bay winds and gusts.  I want it to be easy enough for 2 handed sailing, or single hand if needed

Boats in Primary Consideration 
-Hanse 315
-Beneteau Oceanis 30.1
-Dufour 310
-Delher 29 (lowest in this group)

De-Prioritized Boats
-Elan E3
-Jenneau Sun Fast 3300
-J/88
-Pogo 30

I used to do some racing on smaller boats, Hobie 16s, Corsairs, and Santana 30s.  I've also sailed some Catalinas and hunters in the 25-30ft range and they drove like trucks, so I'm trying to strike a good balance. 

Any boat recommendations, comments on these options, or is this an impossible ask???

I did see a local Beneteau 331 for up for 67000, so any comments on this too would be appreciated, but I suspect it will be similar to the Catalina/Hunter like boats. 

Thanks for any input, recommendations, leads!

Why deprioritize the sun fast? Looks like your budget is last 15 year boats, how about a Figaro?

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I'm in the exact same position as you, although looking at cheaper boats. My GF and I just missed out on a very well kept Hanse 301, and now we're looking at Dehler 29's

 

How about the Dehler 32? Can also be had with a steering wheel.

Dehler 32 - More feeling of space per metre

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12 hours ago, Raz'r said:

Why deprioritize the sun fast? Looks like your budget is last 15 year boats, how about a Figaro?

I think this is a bit to low, wet, and performance oriented for her.  Her strong preference is a foldable table in the cockpit for instance.  

 

4 hours ago, Max Rockatansky said:

The Farrier trimarans tick all your boxes

I do like those, but they are too wide for the slips I am looking at. 

 

9 hours ago, Misbehavin' said:

I'm in the exact same position as you, although looking at cheaper boats. My GF and I just missed out on a very well kept Hanse 301, and now we're looking at Dehler 29's

How about the Dehler 32? Can also be had with a steering wheel.

Thank you.  Adding these to the list to look at. 

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16 minutes ago, jacksf said:

I think this is a bit to low, wet, and performance oriented for her.  Her strong preference is a foldable table in the cockpit for instance.  

 

I do like those, but they are too wide for the slips I am looking at. 

 

Thank you.  Adding these to the list to look at. 

ahh, folding table, then Beneteau it is...

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I only sailed on one once but I did like the Express 34. I also like the Olson911 to add two older boats to your list. 

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2 hours ago, dbottles said:

I only sailed on one once but I did like the Express 34. I also like the Olson911 to add two older boats to your list. 

I was trying to find one of those boats in 2016 and I ended up with an Express 37, which we love.

18 hours ago, jacksf said:

My wife doesn’t want to get super wet, so this eliminates low-sitting J boats, Pogo 30, etc. 

J/33 should be on the list if considering older boats.  The interior of the J/33 isn't great, but that sounds like it isn't an issue for this particular use case.  J/97e and J/32 are also cruisier J/boats that might be good candidates for what you want.

J/boats makes a big variety of boats, so it would be a mistake to assume that they are all wet because a few of them are wet.  I've sailed a lot on the J/109 and a little on the J/33 and didn't find either of them to be wet boats.

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Thank you, Alex W, dbottles, and Matagi.   I will add these to the watch list! 

 

Does anyone here have first-hand experience with the Oceanis 30.1 or Hanse 315?  The Oceanis all seem to get good reviews, but I can't find a video of it being sailed in high winds. 

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I don't think anything in the Oceanis line is really built for the "quick" part of what you are looking for.  That line is sold more as charter-ready cruising boats with creature comforts above sailing qualities.  Beneteau First is their line that is interested in sailing qualities primarily.

I know very little about Hanse (they don't show up very often on the Seattle market or racing scene).

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37 minutes ago, jacksf said:

Thank you, Alex W, dbottles, and Matagi.   I will add these to the watch list! 

 

Does anyone here have first-hand experience with the Oceanis 30.1 or Hanse 315?  The Oceanis all seem to get good reviews, but I can't find a video of it being sailed in high winds. 

We chartered a Oceanus 38? in Belize. It's sailing qualities were not all that great. All that interior space means a lot of freeboard/windwage. Just kinda is what it is.  Would be just fine for sailing around the bay with the family. Where do you have your slip?

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Hi Jacksf, welcome to the forums!

I think perhaps we have different definitions of performance cruiser and cruiser/racer.

The boats you mention as primary considerations in your first post (Hanse 315, Beneteau Oceanis 30.1, Dufour 310, Delher 29) are not what I would call performance cruisers. Performance-wise they are in no way comparable to the Pogo 30, J/88 or SF3300. The Beneteau and Dufour don't even have backstays. Looking at your boat ownership history and experience, and your secondary considerations, I think you would be disappointed if you were expecting similar performance.

Without knowing much about budget etc I'd urge you and the wife to try chartering some of the more performance oriented boats before making up your mind.

Also, with a list like that I would add the new Dehler 30 OD to the list which looks like a neat boat and, if you can get that 34ft slip the Grand Soleil 34.

 

Finally, I wouldn't let small details like folding tables etc affect your purchase too much. Ask her if perhaps a Lagun-style table could be acceptable. A fixed table takes up a ton of space in the cockpit of a 30 ft boat.

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13 hours ago, Tylo said:

I think perhaps we have different definitions of performance cruiser and cruiser/racer. [...]

Also, with a list like that I would add the new Dehler 30 OD to the list which looks like a neat boat and, if you can get that 34ft slip the Grand Soleil 34. [...]

Finally, I wouldn't let small details like folding tables etc affect your purchase too much. Ask her if perhaps a Lagun-style table could be acceptable. A fixed table takes up a ton of space in the cockpit of a 30 ft boat.

Thank you for the helpful advice on some of those boats!  I will add these two new ones both to the list.  She has actually come around to being OK without the table in the back, which opens things up quite a bit. 

I think she is starting to get OK with something more along the lines of the Elan E3 or Azuree 33.  The latter has a cool design with a pop up table in the back I haven't seen before. 

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In case this is helpful to anyone else, I started compiling a list with some ratios for the boats.

The spreadsheet priorities reflect a balance of what my wife and I are looking for.  My personal preference for some of the options might be higher, e.g., Sunfast 3300, but I'm trying to strike a balance. 

We do have a beam limit of 12ft, but I am going to try to call the marina about the process to apply for exceptions because the Azuree or RM 970 seem like good options. 

 

Make & Model Link to Website LOA Ballast Beam SA Displacement Comfort Ratio Disp Len Ratio Bal Disp Ratio SA Disp Ratio Capsize Ratio S#
        Max     20-30 coastal lower, the less power >40 = stiffer <16 under 2 or less for
2, slow, under power
        11.3     cruiser, 30-40 to drive, <200 light better in high 16-20 good ocean pass 2-3 cruiser
       
in harbor
    moderate blue 200-275 moderate, wind >20 high lower better 3-5 cruiser racer
              water         5+ racer
Top Options                        
Elan E3 https://www.elan-yachts.com/en/yacht-lines/e-line/elan-e3 30.35 1973 10.56 577 8135 18.7 155.57 24.25 22.9 2.1 3.7
Azuree 33 https://www.azureeyachts.com/ 32.78 3417 12 710 11574 20.54 167.54 29.52 22.29 2.13 3.39
RM 890 https://www.rm-yachts.com/en/rm-890-en/ 29.2 2127 11.22 538 7055 15.04 130.89 30.15 23.47 2.34  
                         
                         
Secondary Options                        
Hanse 315 http://hanseyachts.hr/range/hanse-315/#info 31.56 3307 10.99 505 10362 22.33 198.99 31.91 17.06 2.64 2.64
Jeanneau Sun Fast 3300 https://www.jeanneauamerica.com/en/boats/sailboat/1-sun-fast/644-sun-fast-3300/ 33.17 3086 11.17 667 7716 15.77 138.36 39.99 27.42 2.26  
Corsair 880 https://corsairmarine.com/corsair-880/ 28.87   22, folds 554 3660            
J/99 https://jboats.com/j-99-new 32.61 3350 11.18 571 4815 17.52 160.59 39.59 22.15 2.2 3.88
Elan 310 https://www.yachtingmonthly.com/reviews/yacht-reviews/elan-310 31.33 3253 10.56 500 8267 18.82 158.09 27.74 22.66 2.09 3.65
Tartan 345 http://www.tartanyachts.com/models/tartan-345/ 34.42 3500 11.92 620 10880 19.46 171.28 32.41 20.37 2.16 3.5
                         
                         
Tertiary Options                        
Catalina 275 sport https://www.catalinayachts.com/sport-series/275-sport/ 27.49 2039 8.5 336 5000 16.64 119 40.78 18.44 1.99 4.09
Beneteau 331 https://www.boats.com/reviews/beneteau-331-a-popular-and-powerful-cruising-sailboat/ 33.92 3253 11.33 500 11173 21.6 175.8 29.11 16.06 2.03 2.88
Beneteau Oceanis 30.1 https://www.beneteau.com/us/oceanis/oceanis-301 31.27 2145 9.81 425.17 8807 22.23 172.03 24.36 16 1.9  
RM 970 https://www.rm-yachts.com/rm-970/ 31.82 2723 12.14 522 9039 16.7 159.38 30.12 19.31 2.33  
                         
                         
Avoids / Off the List                        
Beneteau First 27 https://www.beneteau.com/us/first-se/first-27-se 26.21 1345 8.33 495 3086     43.58 37.46 2.29  
J/88 https://jboats.com/j88 29.19 1840 9.5 439 4990 13.96 115.21 36.87 24.12 2.23 5.01
Pogo 30 https://www.pogostructures.com/en/fiche-bateau/pogo-30/ 30   12.14 548 6173 11 102.07   26.18 2.65  
Italia 9.98 https://www.italiayachts.com/en/italia-9-98/ 33.79   11.61 753 9921 17.71 126   26.18 2.16 4.56
Delher 29 https://www.hanseyachtsag.com/dehler/us/boats/dehler-29/ 28.71 2469 9.81 463 8157 22.31 201.32 30.27 18.34 1.95 2.68
Dufour 310 https://www.dufour-yachts.com/en/luxury-boats/dufour-310/ 31.73 2932 10.86 542 10891 23.81 209.15 26.92 17.73 1.96 2.49
Tartan 101 http://www.tartanyachts.com/models/tartan-101/ 33 3350 10.95 671 8100 16.81 137.33 41.36 26.7 2.18 4.59
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Add a Wyliecat 30 to your list. The hull form features good form stability and a high ballast to displacement ratio for stiffness. The D/L ratio is 137, giving enough power to avoid relying on crew weight to get to weather. The rig is unstayed with a wishbone boom. No vang or traveller is needed with this rig. The only lines you will have will be a 2:1 mainsheet, halyard, reef line, topping lift and choker. The SA/D ratio is 21.64. 

Enclosed Head.  Modest galley. The cockpit and seating nice. Decent place to have a cocktail with small group of people when on the hook or dockside. These boats kick ass in the bay - always getting near top finishes in the SSS.  The 1 design fleet is competitive too. The are known to be fast winners on the double handed Farallones races or doing the Stockton Ditch run. If there is an easier boat to rig and put away in short order - let me know. 

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Thank you, Black Jack.  I will add this to the list! 
 

We are slowly narrowing in a bit and  have been drawn to the Elan e3 and Azuree 33.  The Azuree looks to be slightly to beamy for the slip we are waiting for at 12 feet though. 
 

Any impressions of the E3 would be appreciated.  And the same for any comps for the Azuree where the beam is less than 11 ft 3 Inches. 

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