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1 hour ago, badlatitude said:

The worst thing is the heat, I hate it with a passion, and there is no way I am going to foot a multi thousand $ energy bill a month.

But it's a dry heat :lol:

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I’m not a big CRT fan but I’ll steel man the arguments, just to clear some of the bullshit. 1) Being a human entitles you to certain rights. The grade-school version is ‘life, liberty, and the pu

No... wrong... not in any way shape or form.    CRT is colorblind.  The  chosen name is stupid. It is an attempting to discover, quantify, and describe how some groups build their power

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54 minutes ago, Steam Flyer said:

Uh huh

Do you benefit at all from the 240 years of free labor building stuff like the Capitol and roads and canals and bridges, and the monetary capital expended on stuff that would otherwise have been spent on labor?

Seems to me this is at least tangentially related to your claim that black people have not suffered any capitol loss, despite generations of being denied education and having their businesses and homes burnt down once in a while. They just poor because they're lazy, right?

And mention of white privilege does not piss you off? OK

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Yes, I absolutely do benefit from all of that.  Just as my black and brown brothers and sisters benefit from all of that as well.  Last I checked, black folk were still allowed to drive on the roads, bridges, canals and Capitol buildings and such.  

And I have never once said black folk have not suffered capital (with an A, not O) loss.  Or been denied education and what not.  But again, that's been a while ago too.  When do we get around to actually attempting to work on solutions to it rather than pointing fingers and laying blame?  Seems the later is more of a roadblock, than a healing process.  When do blacks who are being held back because of their own decisions to skip out of school, join gangs, commit crime and end up in prison take responsibility for their actions instead of blaming the white man for holding them down?  Plenty of poor white trash in Appalachia, E. NC, Ozarks and mid-plains meth and opioid heads are committing crimes because they are dirt poor, have been denied a decent education and such - but they get no sympathy from me for it because they made their own choices.  At some point, the past is the past and hand wringing from the SJWNJs is not going to get us there.  

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It is complete BS used to further divide the country upon racial lines. Where does it lead? Yale’s School of Medicine sponsored a talk by psychiatrist Aruna Khilanani, on the topic “The Psychopathic Problem of the White Mind.” Anyone that defends CRT has a similar mind set.

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13 minutes ago, Burning Man said:
1 hour ago, badlatitude said:

The worst thing is the heat, I hate it with a passion, and there is no way I am going to foot a multi thousand $ energy bill a month.

But it's a dry heat :lol:

In all seriousness, I actually really like the heat.  I would far prefer 100F to even 50s.  High 70s-80s is about perfect, but if I can't have that all year round, I'll take the heat over the cold.  And everyone makes fun of the "dry heat" joke, but it's a real thing.  Having lived in Dubai for the last 10 years makes you appreciate a non-humid environment.  It was 106F today in Vegas and it was comfortable because it was so dry.  Had a nice swim this afternoon with G&Ts on the patio in 100+ in the shade and it was pleasant.  Take that same temp to a high humidity place and it was fricken miserable.  Think about 120F with Georgia humidity.  I showered like 4x a day because you would get soaked just walking to your car.  Ugh....

As for energy bill......  1 word:  Solar.  I loves me some solar panels.

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This is why we need Critical Race Fact (it's not merely theoretical) 

This happened near where we live  . .  

Jeffbo, you seem to have no idea of the extent and intensity of racism in America ..  

Were it not for that, we would not have had the Drumph. 

(But glad to see the Am Leg take action . . .) 

https://www.news5cleveland.com/news/local-news/oh-summit/hudson-american-legion-to-close-permanently-after-cutting-veterans-mic-during-memorial-day-speech

 

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28 minutes ago, AJ Oliver said:

This is why we need Critical Race Fact (it's not merely theoretical) 

This happened near where we live  . .  

Jeffbo, you seem to have no idea of the extent and intensity of racism in America ..  

Were it not for that, we would not have had the Drumph. 

(But glad to see the Am Leg take action . . .) 

https://www.news5cleveland.com/news/local-news/oh-summit/hudson-american-legion-to-close-permanently-after-cutting-veterans-mic-during-memorial-day-speech

 

Then you live near the arshole of nowhere with (according to google) a population of 22k and apparently a few closed minded fucktards (much like yourself only on the opposite side of the spectrum).

 

This is an isolated incident and shiteville Ohio is not a representative cross section of this country  

 

Please stop your race-baiting divisive bullshite, you two bit retired teacher you. 

 

 

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From personal experience, my definition of critical race theory:

Anybody with no prejudices can get on with almost anybody, provided they're not assholes .....or Chinese....

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8 hours ago, Burning Man said:

Yes, I absolutely do benefit from all of that.  Just as my black and brown brothers and sisters benefit from all of that as well.  Last I checked, black folk were still allowed to drive on the roads, bridges, canals and Capitol buildings and such.  

And I have never once said black folk have not suffered capital (with an A, not O) loss.  Or been denied education and what not.  But again, that's been a while ago too.  When do we get around to actually attempting to work on solutions to it rather than pointing fingers and laying blame?  Seems the later is more of a roadblock, than a healing process.  When do blacks who are being held back because of their own decisions to skip out of school, join gangs, commit crime and end up in prison take responsibility for their actions instead of blaming the white man for holding them down?  Plenty of poor white trash in Appalachia, E. NC, Ozarks and mid-plains meth and opioid heads are committing crimes because they are dirt poor, have been denied a decent education and such - but they get no sympathy from me for it because they made their own choices.  At some point, the past is the past and hand wringing from the SJWNJs is not going to get us there.  

Says the guy who is pissed off because he wasn't good enough to get in ahead of black pilots.

I agree that "hand wringing from the SJWNJs is not going to get us there." What has to happen is that enough people have to acknowledge the problem and decide to make things better. Not getting mad and saying "that problem was long ago" when both numbers and your own eyes (if open) tell you it's today.

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9 hours ago, Burning Man said:

In all seriousness, I actually really like the heat.  I would far prefer 100F to even 50s.  High 70s-80s is about perfect, but if I can't have that all year round, I'll take the heat over the cold.  And everyone makes fun of the "dry heat" joke, but it's a real thing.  Having lived in Dubai for the last 10 years makes you appreciate a non-humid environment.  It was 106F today in Vegas and it was comfortable because it was so dry.  Had a nice swim this afternoon with G&Ts on the patio in 100+ in the shade and it was pleasant.  Take that same temp to a high humidity place and it was fricken miserable.  Think about 120F with Georgia humidity.  I showered like 4x a day because you would get soaked just walking to your car.  Ugh....

As for energy bill......  1 word:  Solar.  I loves me some solar panels.

You make good sense sometimes. That said, I can remember being in las Vegas when it was so hot I was dry in thirty seconds, without a towel, and the worst part was expecting relief when I dove in, only to find it felt like bath water. No thanks.

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3 hours ago, Steam Flyer said:

Says the guy who is pissed off because he wasn't good enough to get in ahead of black pilots.

I agree that "hand wringing from the SJWNJs is not going to get us there." What has to happen is that enough people have to acknowledge the problem and decide to make things better. Not getting mad and saying "that problem was long ago" when both numbers and your own eyes (if open) tell you it's today.

- DSK

I'm neither mad about it nor deny that it exists.  I'm just disappointed that we are stuck in limbo on the issue because we keep trying the same things over and over and expecting a different result.  In fact it's not only NOT working, but the things we are doing are making things worse.  If the intention is to divide the country further, congrats - its working.  The fact of the matter is that if we have any hope of extinguishing this persistent racism, you need whites to get on board.  Like it or not, we need that 48% of trumpers to get on board, but instead we continue to alienate them further.  Remember, a pretty large swath of the trumpers now were once staunch blue collar reliable  democRATs who were turned off by the left's insistence on Identity politics.  A lot of those voted for Obama and then later voted for shitstain. 

I've talked to several of those folks who voted for obama and who are now staunch trumpists..... And the universal thing they said was they hoped that having the first black president would put all this ID/victim politics, "in your face quest" for diversity, and all the other racial BS to bed once and for all and they could all get on with just being Americans where one could be judged by their character rather than by their skin color.  They and the vast majority of them were/are not racists or were practicing discrimination in their day to day lives and frankly probably never even entered their minds that skin color was even a "thing".  They just got on with life working side by side with their black and brown co-workers and such and didn't give it much thought.  But instead they were/are constantly getting their noses rubbed in the pile of race shit and the messaging was consistently that THEY were the reason why blacks were/are underperforming and THEY were the blame for the past sins of the country.  Never mind that few of them were old enough to have been more than a child in the 1960s civil rights era much less owning slaves 160 years ago when the country went to war over it.  So yeah they were/are pissed off for constantly being blamed for something they are not engaged in nor have any control over.  

You say that:  What has to happen is that enough people have to acknowledge the problem and decide to make things better.  I agree with that wholeheartedly 1000%.  However, very little of what the SJWNJs are doing is fostering that remedy.  The current atmosphere is more akin to pointing a gun at my head and telling me I'm bad for being white and that I'd better show a required amount contrition and guilt.... or else!  Yeah, that has been working sooooo effectively, right?  Whether you like it or not or acknowledge it or not...... a good portion of why the orange menace even rose to power in the first place was due to a backlash over the messaging from the left regarding race and ID \/victim politics and shoving the notion down the throats of people who voted for a black president that they were deplorable racists.  Sorry, that dog won't hunt.  

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7 minutes ago, Burning Man said:

I'm neither mad about it nor deny that it exists.  I'm just disappointed that we are stuck in limbo on the issue because we keep trying the same things over and over and expecting a different result.  In fact it's not only NOT working, but the things we are doing are making things worse.  ...

Sorry, but that's simply not true.

First of all, we're not "trying the same thing over and over." There are a huge range of different things being done; most are shut down by the RWNJs as soon as they gain the power to do so.

Secondly, there is little justification other than deliberate blindness to say "it's NOT working." Things aren't working as well as they could, of course you RWNJs see that as a reason to shutter everything.

- DSK

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1 minute ago, Steam Flyer said:

Sorry, but that's simply not true.

First of all, we're not "trying the same thing over and over." There are a huge range of different things being done; most are shut down by the RWNJs as soon as they gain the power to do so.

Secondly, there is little justification other than deliberate blindness to say "it's NOT working." Things aren't working as well as they could, of course you RWNJs see that as a reason to shutter everything.

- DSK

Like what.... please give me some examples of what is new that is working and what the right is shutting down, other than voting access which I agree is total BS.  

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And BTW - when you say "You" RWNJs.... do not include me in that statement.  I am opposed to pretty much everything the GOP is currently doing.  The GOP is no longer a party that I am comfortable identifying with and we have parted ways.  However, that doesn't mean that I am prevented from also criticizing what I see wrong with or disagree with philosophically with the left and SJWNJs.  

Just saying. 

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52 minutes ago, Burning Man said:

They and the vast majority of them were/are not racists or were practicing discrimination in their day to day lives and frankly probably never even entered their minds that skin color was even a "thing"

That's a pretty good definition of white privilege. BLM's greatest wish is for blacks to feel the same way. CRT is just a method to study society and its systems and to help describe why they don't or can't. Your approval isn't necessary for it to be a valid approach, and nobody really cares if you remain unconvinced.

Heck, some people think that dropping infection rates mean they don't need a vaccine. Doesn't make them right, or wise. Just means they won't get the jab, and they are ok with society having to pay for their decision.

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12 hours ago, Sea warrior said:

Please stop your race-baiting 

When we progressives point out examples of outrageous white racism . . 

you can always count on the Reich to dismiss it with the charge of "race baiting". 

Again, the Am Legion is to be applauded to taking quick action here, but there 

remains a strong current of racist Drumphism in the AM, VFW, AmVets, Eagles, 

and so on. 

That "race baiting" charge is one of the stupidest arguments ever made, which 

explains why it is so appealing to the Reich. 

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2 hours ago, Burning Man said:

And BTW - when you say "You" RWNJs.... do not include me in that statement.  I am opposed to pretty much everything the GOP is currently doing.  The GOP is no longer a party that I am comfortable identifying with and we have parted ways.  However, that doesn't mean that I am prevented from also criticizing what I see wrong with or disagree with philosophically with the left and SJWNJs.  

Just saying. 

Except that you agree all those goddam Democrat-inspired socialistical programs that help poor lazy minority people are bad and don't work and take your hard-earned money

Looks to me like you didn't leave the GOP, they left you. Which is fine... vote your conscience!

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2 hours ago, Steam Flyer said:

Except that you agree all those goddam Democrat-inspired socialistical programs that help poor lazy minority people are bad and don't work and take your hard-earned money

Looks to me like you didn't leave the GOP, they left you. Which is fine... vote your conscience!

- DSK

I don't think ALL of the socialistcal programs are worthless.  Only some.

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3 hours ago, AJ Oliver said:

When we progressives point out examples of outrageous white racism . . 

you can always count on the Reich to dismiss it with the charge of "race baiting". 

Again, the Am Legion is to be applauded to taking quick action here, but there 

remains a strong current of racist Drumphism in the AM, VFW, AmVets, Eagles, 

and so on. 

That "race baiting" charge is one of the stupidest arguments ever made, which 

explains why it is so appealing to the Reich. 

Who’s dismissing the racism?
I certainly am not and if the mic was cut off for racist reasons then that’s despicable and shouldn’t be tolerated (btw those responsible were fired) but, it’s an isolated incident and racism is dying out in this country as my children will happily attest to .

But, What’s more despicable than the isolated insistence’s of racism in this country is you lot foraging on every little insular incident of racism and using it and magnifying it to further your political and other agenda.

You most certainly are not a progressive, you are a low IQ dinosaur who accuses those (me) who disagree with you of being “reich” whatever the fuck that means even though I voted once for Obama and then for Hillary and who not once but twice in my life have married women of color and who has children of not one but three racial identities.

So on behalf of all of us trying to (actually rather than rhetorically) do something to make this country more cohesive, kindly go fuck yourself you overly educated pile of low IQ dog feces  

 

Ps. The more you post the more you prove definitively that ‘third level’ education in this country is in the gutter.I feel sorry for those who suffered you idiocy in the name of “education”

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7 hours ago, Burning Man said:

Like what.... please give me some examples of what is new that is working and what the right is shutting down, other than voting access which I agree is total BS.  

One of the things you hate the most... affirmative action in college admissions... has vastly increased the number of minorities getting into medical education and careers. 30 years, a black doctor was almost unheard of, black nurses were rare. They are still under-represented, by demographics, but that can be explained by their collective tendency toward bad choices like joining gangs, right?

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On 6/4/2021 at 8:36 PM, Sea warrior said:

JFC!
Do you ever have an original thought inside of that pea brain of yours?
I swear, I’ve a ‘pet’ rocks in my back yard with higher IQ than you.

 

You know how you know you have won an argument?  When your post mentioning the overwhelming statistics supporting your side is met with youtube video meme tripe.

You sit there watching right wing produced media and slurping it up like a horse at a trough then you parrot it all back. You try to make jokes about racism because the distinctions are just too confusing or too much work for you to figure out.  You can't even see past the brain washing to question why one side is talking about statistics and fact, and yours is trying to use ridicule and stupidity as a weapon.  You're like a microcosm of Trump-stupid.

Sorry Sea biscuit.  You're all played out.  It's about time your owner puts you out to pasture.  I'm sure there's a handy glue factory nearby.

 

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8 hours ago, Grrr... said:

You know how you know you have won an argument?  When your post mentioning the overwhelming statistics supporting your side is met with youtube video meme tripe.

You sit there watching right wing produced media and slurping it up like a horse at a trough then you parrot it all back. You try to make jokes about racism because the distinctions are just too confusing or too much work for you to figure out.  You can't even see past the brain washing to question why one side is talking about statistics and fact, and yours is trying to use ridicule and stupidity as a weapon.  You're like a microcosm of Trump-stupid.

Sorry Sea biscuit.  You're all played out.  It's about time your owner puts you out to pasture.  I'm sure there's a handy glue factory nearby.

 

“Sea Biscuit”?
Sea biscuit was a horse you donkey’s arse.
 

 

I think I’ll name my pet rock “Grrr”.


 

 

 

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13 hours ago, Grrr... said:

Sorry Sea biscuit.  You're all played out.  It's about time your owner puts you out to pasture.  I'm sure there's a handy glue factory nearby.

I would just like to kindly request again on behalf of all of us who have this shitstain wannabe on ignore, to please - pretty please - not quote him.   

Signed -  All of Political Anarchy

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55 minutes ago, Burning Man said:

I would just like to kindly request again on behalf of all of us who have this shitstain wannabe on ignore, to please - pretty please - not quote him.   

Signed -  All of Political Anarchy

Lol

 

How on this earth can I possibly go on living knowing that a bunch of race-baiting dunderheads like ye have me on ignore...

 

 

 

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10 hours ago, Osborne Russell said:

This is not a "conservative" critique.  This is a liberal critique.

With respect, the discussion here is mostly out on the periphery of the issue.   The proposition that racism was developed -- it did not originate as such -- in support of slavery, and that it found cultural and therefore institutional expression, some of which still exists, is like, the No Shit, Sherlock, of all time.

The issue is the overthrow of capitalism.  That is the goal of "critical theory", including but not limited to "critical race theory."  "Critical theory" is a philosophy with its own definition of reality.  As such it reaches into everything homo sapiens ever did or could do.

Critical theorists argue that:

1.  The most profound and potentially most radical politics come directly out of group identities,  As Marxism said of the working class. In identity politics, equality refers to groups, not individuals, and demands action to redress disparate outcomes among groups.

2.  Going beyond Marxism, the Enlightenment, including the American founding, carried the seeds of modern racism and imperialism, which not only grew in the soil of capitalism, they are inseperable from it, in terms of being functions of white straight male supremacy (hereafter "white supremacy").  Western civilization has never been anything other than white supremacy, and it never can be, unless and until capitalism, and the society that incorporates it, are overthrown.

3.  Liberalism is merely disguised white privilege.  The value placed on such liberal values as freedom of speech must be abandoned to end oppression.  "The First Amendment arms conscious and unconscious racists -- Nazis and liberals alike -- with a consitutional right to be racist . . . The First Amendment is employed to trump or nullify or the only substantive meaning of the Equal Protection Clause, that the Constitution mandates the disestablishment of the ideology of racism."

4.  Objectivity and reason -- the supposed moral underpinnings of liberal values -- are likewise mechanisms of white privilege.  Yes, it extends even into science.  Science expresses and enables white supremacy.  Whether 2 + 2 = 4 is not a matter for rational inquiry, but for comparing the "identity" (in identity politics terms) of the various viewpoints on the question.  The viewpoints are valid insofar as they represent the oppressed liberating themselves from capitalism, as opposed to mere rationality.

So you will always be confused if you attempt to figure out what CRT is without knowing where it came from, and what else came from the common origin.  It's a total entertainment package.

Good post, thanks.... about the bolded part, I've heard the posit that western civilization is inherently based on white... or at least western European... supremacy; but never seen it connected to capitalism. If true then yeah CRT is pretty well aligned with Marxism.

I would make the counter argument that Western Civilization, or at least the American version of it, hasn't really been capitalist since around 1900. The basic principles of capitalism have been replaced by a sort of neo-mercantilism with credit replacing gold. But still bolstering white supremacy: how many black people have been CEOs, Fed chairs, Treasury Secretaries, etc?

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On 6/5/2021 at 11:57 PM, RobertP said:

It is complete BS used to further divide the country upon racial lines. Where does it lead? Yale’s School of Medicine sponsored a talk by psychiatrist Aruna Khilanani, on the topic “The Psychopathic Problem of the White Mind.” Anyone that defends CRT has a similar mind set.

Got it.  So anyone who believes our laws still have room for improvement when it comes to equality should shut the fuck up because there is something wrong with them.

If you want to hang around, I suggest you get a little more on the ball than that.

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34 minutes ago, Steam Flyer said:

Good post, thanks.... about the bolded part, I've heard the posit that western civilization is inherently based on white... or at least western European... supremacy; but never seen it connected to capitalism. If true then yeah CRT is pretty well aligned with Marxism.

I would make the counter argument that Western Civilization, or at least the American version of it, hasn't really been capitalist since around 1900. The basic principles of capitalism have been replaced by a sort of neo-mercantilism with credit replacing gold. But still bolstering white supremacy: how many black people have been CEOs, Fed chairs, Treasury Secretaries, etc?

- DSK

Is it.

And you're right.  But that's why all of this is more simile than literal.  Most of these ideas are diluted versions of their original foundational arguments.

 

 

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14 hours ago, Osborne Russell said:

This is not a "conservative" critique.  This is a liberal critique.

With respect, the discussion here is mostly out on the periphery of the issue.   The proposition that racism was developed -- it did not originate as such -- in support of slavery, and that it found cultural and therefore institutional expression, some of which still exists, is like, the No Shit, Sherlock, of all time.

The issue is the overthrow of capitalism.  That is the goal of "critical theory", including but not limited to "critical race theory."  "Critical theory" is a philosophy with its own definition of reality.  As such it reaches into everything homo sapiens ever did or could do.

Critical theorists argue that:

1.  The most profound and potentially most radical politics come directly out of group identities,  As Marxism said of the working class. In identity politics, equality refers to groups, not individuals, and demands action to redress disparate outcomes among groups.

2.  Going beyond Marxism, the Enlightenment, including the American founding, carried the seeds of modern racism and imperialism, which not only grew in the soil of capitalism, they are inseperable from it, in terms of being functions of white straight male supremacy (hereafter "white supremacy").  Western civilization has never been anything other than white supremacy, and it never can be, unless and until capitalism, and the society that incorporates it, are overthrown.

3.  Liberalism is merely disguised white privilege.  The value placed on such liberal values as freedom of speech must be abandoned to end oppression.  "The First Amendment arms conscious and unconscious racists -- Nazis and liberals alike -- with a consitutional right to be racist . . . The First Amendment is employed to trump or nullify or the only substantive meaning of the Equal Protection Clause, that the Constitution mandates the disestablishment of the ideology of racism."

4.  Objectivity and reason -- the supposed moral underpinnings of liberal values -- are likewise mechanisms of white privilege.  Yes, it extends even into science.  Science expresses and enables white supremacy.  Whether 2 + 2 = 4 is not a matter for rational inquiry, but for comparing the "identity" (in identity politics terms) of the various viewpoints on the question.  The viewpoints are valid insofar as they represent the oppressed liberating themselves from capitalism, as opposed to mere rationality.

So you will always be confused if you attempt to figure out what CRT is without knowing where it came from, and what else came from the common origin.  It's a total entertainment package.

I'm going to need another cup of coffee this morning to process this.  

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4 hours ago, Steam Flyer said:

Good post, thanks.... about the bolded part, I've heard the posit that western civilization is inherently based on white... or at least western European... supremacy; but never seen it connected to capitalism. If true then yeah CRT is pretty well aligned with Marxism.

I would make the counter argument that Western Civilization, or at least the American version of it, hasn't really been capitalist since around 1900. The basic principles of capitalism have been replaced by a sort of neo-mercantilism with credit replacing gold. But still bolstering white supremacy: how many black people have been CEOs, Fed chairs, Treasury Secretaries, etc?

- DSK

I think where I take umbrage to these discussions is that the term "White Supremacy" keeps getting thrown around incorrectly.  White supremacy in most lay / daily contexts invokes images of whites actively suppressing all other races from rising up and that they have a conscious notion that they are in all ways superior to everyone else - i.e. Hitler and Naziism.  Where I differ with that in these discussions is that western ideology and culture IS and always has been based on the foundation of the majority white people's culture.  But it's not by design, but by the fact that they got there first and built a civilization that persisted while most others failed.  Sorta of a demographics are destiny.  It's not like any black African kingdoms or civilizations rose out of the dark continent and competed with Western white majority civilization.  

I think where the friction comes from is that the white guilt folks are conflicted about what to do.  White privilege is not so much about whites being able to do things that others cannot do, it's about the other non-whites are rebelling at having to live in a white majority dominated society and don't want to conform to the norms of dress, speech, behavior, etc. and then wonder why they are being left behind.  For instance, the immigrants who come here who are the most successful are the ones who integrate INTO the current society, learn the language, etc. rather than demanding that the established society and culture bends to adapt to THEM.  To assuage their own white guilt, the SJWNJs are making it worse by telling everyone that western civilization will adapt to minorities cultures and behavior rather than the other way around.  And as you can see, it ain't working out so well.  So it's not so much about "white supremacy" as in an active attempt to dominate others, it's that "white supremacy" is just a result of being in the majority of the makeup of western civilization.  And I'm convinced that in these modern times, it's less about whites trying to lock our non-whites from participating in that society and more about non-whites refusing to adapt and play by the rules.  The ones who do, generally get along just fine and prosper within that culture.  

Yes..... not too long from now - assuming current birth rates continue..... whites will not be in the majority in America.  That's fine.  And then blacks will complain about "Brown Supremacy" because blacks will still not be anywhere close to being in the majority.  

Just saying.

 

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15 hours ago, Osborne Russell said:

This is not a "conservative" critique.  This is a liberal critique.

With respect, the discussion here is mostly out on the periphery of the issue.   The proposition that racism was developed -- it did not originate as such -- in support of slavery, and that it found cultural and therefore institutional expression, some of which still exists, is like, the No Shit, Sherlock, of all time.

The issue is the overthrow of capitalism.  That is the goal of "critical theory", including but not limited to "critical race theory."  "Critical theory" is a philosophy with its own definition of reality.  As such it reaches into everything homo sapiens ever did or could do.

Critical theorists argue that:

1.  The most profound and potentially most radical politics come directly out of group identities,  As Marxism said of the working class. In identity politics, equality refers to groups, not individuals, and demands action to redress disparate outcomes among groups.

2.  Going beyond Marxism, the Enlightenment, including the American founding, carried the seeds of modern racism and imperialism, which not only grew in the soil of capitalism, they are inseperable from it, in terms of being functions of white straight male supremacy (hereafter "white supremacy").  Western civilization has never been anything other than white supremacy, and it never can be, unless and until capitalism, and the society that incorporates it, are overthrown.

3.  Liberalism is merely disguised white privilege.  The value placed on such liberal values as freedom of speech must be abandoned to end oppression.  "The First Amendment arms conscious and unconscious racists -- Nazis and liberals alike -- with a consitutional right to be racist . . . The First Amendment is employed to trump or nullify or the only substantive meaning of the Equal Protection Clause, that the Constitution mandates the disestablishment of the ideology of racism."

4.  Objectivity and reason -- the supposed moral underpinnings of liberal values -- are likewise mechanisms of white privilege.  Yes, it extends even into science.  Science expresses and enables white supremacy.  Whether 2 + 2 = 4 is not a matter for rational inquiry, but for comparing the "identity" (in identity politics terms) of the various viewpoints on the question.  The viewpoints are valid insofar as they represent the oppressed liberating themselves from capitalism, as opposed to mere rationality.

So you will always be confused if you attempt to figure out what CRT is without knowing where it came from, and what else came from the common origin.  It's a total entertainment package.

 True in a lot of ways, but I would say any grand unification theory of human behavior is doomed to fail.

 There is another way of analyzing CRT. What are the creators seeking to accomplish, whom they are addressing and how effective it will be on those to points. Total faceplant, IMO. ,

 They want to address white American racism towards black people specifically and, if they have a clue, they seek to address those while people to whom the nature of the phenomena is a mystery.  But CRT addresses academics, and as an academic theory it's a hot mess, as sloppy as Courtney Love on New Year's eve.   

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OMG!

Obviously they are a disgrace to the race (ist). 

The state should be awarded custody of his daughter and he should be canceled and scrubbed with bleach bit from every platform for four years minimum. :angry: 

Tik Tok should also be canceled for failing to recognize the danger this kind of rhetoric poses to the shitlib. :angry:

 

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31 minutes ago, Mark K said:

 True in a lot of ways, but I would say any grand unification theory of human behavior is doomed to fail.

 There is another way of analyzing CRT. What are the creators seeking to accomplish, whom they are addressing and how effective it will be on those to points. Total faceplant, IMO. ,

 They want to address white American racism towards black people specifically and, if they have a clue, they seek to address those while people to whom the nature of the phenomena is a mystery.  But CRT addresses academics, and as an academic theory it's a hot mess, as sloppy as Courtney Love on New Year's eve.   

Brilliant.... I'm so stealing that!

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OMG!

Obviously they are a disgrace to the race (ist). 

The state should be awarded custody of his daughter and he should be canceled and scrubbed with bleach bit from every platform for four years minimum. :angry: 

Tik Tok should also be canceled for failing to recognize the danger this kind of rhetoric poses to the shitlib. :angry:

 

How dare he have an independent thought? C'mon, man, Joe and his elk know what's best for those people though LBJ said it best.

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11 hours ago, Steam Flyer said:

Good post, thanks.... about the bolded part, I've heard the posit that western civilization is inherently based on white... or at least western European... supremacy; but never seen it connected to capitalism. If true then yeah CRT is pretty well aligned with Marxism.

I would make the counter argument that Western Civilization, or at least the American version of it, hasn't really been capitalist since around 1900. The basic principles of capitalism have been replaced by a sort of neo-mercantilism with credit replacing gold. But still bolstering white supremacy: how many black people have been CEOs, Fed chairs, Treasury Secretaries, etc?

- DSK

The discovery doctrine.

 

It's not based on white supremacy (or not directly), it's based on Christianity/Catholic supremacy.

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On 6/11/2021 at 10:24 PM, Osborne Russell said:

Critical theorists argue that:

I call complete Bull Pucky 

How about a source ?? 

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3 minutes ago, Osborne Russell said:

Critical Race Theory comes from Critical Theory. Critical Theory comes from Marxism. 

No it does not. As we have discussed above, Marx and many of those he influenced 

emphasized class, not ethnicity. 

You can say the CRT is influenced by Marxism, but ALL OF US are influenced by him; 

and note that little of what Marx wrote was original with him. But he was good at putting things together. 

Read the posts above in this thread to get straightened out. 

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On 6/12/2021 at 1:06 PM, Burning Man said:

 So it's not so much about "white supremacy" as in an active attempt to dominate others, it's that "white supremacy" is just a result of being in the majority of the makeup of western civilization.  And I'm convinced that in these modern times, it's less about whites trying to lock our non-whites from participating in that society and more about non-whites refusing to adapt and play by the rules.  The ones who do, generally get along just fine and prosper within that culture.  
 

Let's take a look. Say you are Black trying to act just like all the Whites do.

I'll move into that suburb with the good schools - NOT, your kind not welcome.

I'll go to the college all the White kids do - NOT, your kind not welcome.

I'll go get a good job at the mill and buy a house - NOT, your kind not welcome.

I'll drive down the road and buy some gas - Might make it, or maybe one of Boss Hogg's poh-lice officers will find a broken tail light and off to jail you go.

I'll go vote on election day- NOT, your kind not welcome.

I'll go to the Farm Bureau and get some help for my farm - NOT, your kind not welcome.

I'll go be a pilot for United Airlines and make some cash - NOT, your kind not welcome.

I'll go get a loan to expand my business - NOT, your kind not welcome.

Need I go on :rolleyes:

Do you honestly think this is so long ago it is like complaining about Caesar or King Tut?

Never mind that the Republican Party is hell-bent on returning to Jim Crow, starting with voting? Did you notice that just recently police officers felt free to murder Blacks in public on camera without a care?

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24 minutes ago, kent_island_sailor said:

Let's take a look. Say you are Black trying to act just like all the Whites do.

I'll move into that suburb with the good schools - NOT, your kind not welcome.

I'll go to the college all the White kids do - NOT, your kind not welcome.

I'll go get a good job at the mill and buy a house - NOT, your kind not welcome.

I'll drive down the road and buy some gas - Might make it, or maybe one of Boss Hogg's poh-lice officers will find a broken tail light and off to jail you go.

I'll go vote on election day- NOT, your kind not welcome.

I'll go to the Farm Bureau and get some help for my farm - NOT, your kind not welcome.

I'll go be a pilot for United Airlines and make some cash - NOT, your kind not welcome.

I'll go get a loan to expand my business - NOT, your kind not welcome.

Need I go on :rolleyes:

Do you honestly think this is so long ago it is like complaining about Caesar or King Tut?

Never mind that the Republican Party is hell-bent on returning to Jim Crow, starting with voting? Did you notice that just recently police officers felt free to murder Blacks in public on camera without a care?

Sorry, none of that is true now and hasn't been for a long time.  I have blacks living in my upscale gated community, right across the street from me.  They seem to feel welcome.  Everyone waves hi at the black families when they are out for a walk with their dogs.  Lot's of blacks go to white majority universities and not only succeed but excel.  There were several black guys that were in my frat and we still keep in touch.  They are all successful in their respective fields.  Lot's of United and other airline captains are black.  Lots of blacks get loans.  

Need I go on? 

I'm not in anyway saying that everything is perfect now or that there were not significant problems in the semi-recent past.  But there comes a point where the systemic racism has been mostly removed throughout society and blacks are often their own worst enemy when it comes to being successful and integrating into society.  I use the example of my own experience in the middle east.....  had I desired to become a part of their culture rather than remain an outsider - then not adopting their styles, norms, behaviors, culture, speech, etc would NOT endear me to them and would most definitely NOT help me be accepted.  If instead, I tried to be part of them but behaved in the manner of the ugliest of the stereotypical ugly American - I'm pretty sure I would have the living fuck discriminated out of me.  

Just saying.  

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The same way girls that grow up with drunken dads go on to pursuing drunks because it makes them feel needed, some people imagine minorities can't get by without their assistance. Nevermind that soft bigotry is destructive to the people they imagine can't make it without them. 

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4 minutes ago, Autonomous said:

The same way girls that grow up with drunken dads go on to pursuing drunks because it makes them feel needed, some people imagine minorities can't get by without their assistance. Nevermind that soft bigotry is destructive to the people they imagine can't make it without them. 

Yurp.  

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On 6/6/2021 at 7:16 PM, Happy said:

From personal experience, my definition of critical race theory:

Anybody with no prejudices can get on with almost anybody, provided they're not assholes .....or Chinese....

Which has nothing at all to to do with CRT...

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2 hours ago, Burning Man said:

Sorry, none of that is true now and hasn't been for a long time.  I have blacks living in my upscale gated community, right across the street from me.  They seem to feel welcome.  Everyone waves hi at the black families when they are out for a walk with their dogs.  Lot's of blacks go to white majority universities and not only succeed but excel.  There were several black guys that were in my frat and we still keep in touch.  They are all successful in their respective fields.  Lot's of United and other airline captains are black.  Lots of blacks get loans.  

Need I go on? 

I'm not in anyway saying that everything is perfect now or that there were not significant problems in the semi-recent past.  But there comes a point where the systemic racism has been mostly removed throughout society and blacks are often their own worst enemy when it comes to being successful and integrating into society.  I use the example of my own experience in the middle east.....  had I desired to become a part of their culture rather than remain an outsider - then not adopting their styles, norms, behaviors, culture, speech, etc would NOT endear me to them and would most definitely NOT help me be accepted.  If instead, I tried to be part of them but behaved in the manner of the ugliest of the stereotypical ugly American - I'm pretty sure I would have the living fuck discriminated out of me.  

Just saying.  

And the various state governments closing polling places in black neighborhoods, dropping voters from rolls that have black-sounding names, etc etc... that's all fine, right? I mean, it's due to bad choices by the blacks themselves, right?

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1 hour ago, Steam Flyer said:

And the various state governments closing polling places in black neighborhoods, dropping voters from rolls that have black-sounding names, etc etc... that's all fine, right? I mean, it's due to bad choices by the blacks themselves, right?

- DSK

Nope, it means that your society has either a very large minority or a small majority of people who are totally fucked in the head.

I read that list of supposed exclusions for black people above and NONE of that shit applies here. None of it. That means, it's not a white people's problem, it's not a Western democracy problem, it's purely a USA problem.

Here we're stratified in the traditional way - money. If you've got enough, you can buy a house wherever you please. If you haven't, then tough shit, off you go to some far-flung shit hole like Tasmania or FNQ.

But electoral issues are totally off the table. As I've said before, everyone votes, pretty much everyone is on the electoral roll. There is no scope or possibility for the bullshit games you describe.

You guys could fix your system but you like it the way it is so - shrug.

FKT

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1 hour ago, Fah Kiew Tu said:

Nope, it means that your society has either a very large minority or a small majority of people who are totally fucked in the head.

I read that list of supposed exclusions for black people above and NONE of that shit applies here. None of it. That means, it's not a white people's problem, it's not a Western democracy problem, it's purely a USA problem.

Here we're stratified in the traditional way - money. If you've got enough, you can buy a house wherever you please. If you haven't, then tough shit, off you go to some far-flung shit hole like Tasmania or FNQ.

But electoral issues are totally off the table. As I've said before, everyone votes, pretty much everyone is on the electoral roll. There is no scope or possibility for the bullshit games you describe.

You guys could fix your system but you like it the way it is so - shrug.

FKT

If you mean my list, none of that goes on now, but it wasn't THAT long ago that it did, certainly in living memory.

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10 hours ago, Fah Kiew Tu said:

Nope, it means that your society has either a very large minority or a small majority of people who are totally fucked in the head.

I read that list of supposed exclusions for black people above and NONE of that shit applies here. None of it. That means, it's not a white people's problem, it's not a Western democracy problem, it's purely a USA problem.

Here we're stratified in the traditional way - money. If you've got enough, you can buy a house wherever you please. If you haven't, then tough shit, off you go to some far-flung shit hole like Tasmania or FNQ.

But electoral issues are totally off the table. As I've said before, everyone votes, pretty much everyone is on the electoral roll. There is no scope or possibility for the bullshit games you describe.

You guys could fix your system but you like it the way it is so - shrug.

FKT

An independent electoral commission.

Who'd of thunk it would work....

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30 minutes ago, Ease the sheet. said:

And what's wrong with looking at our world through critical eyes?

Nothing, but it has the word "Marx" in it so we can confirm that it is evil and we should run screaming from it.

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It seems obvious to me that CRT seems to mean 100 different things to 100 different people. That said, the basic idea that I get from it seems quite useful. People can be part of a racist system and support it without being racist themselves or even knowing about the racism inherent in it.
For example, if White Farmer Guy gets a loan from the Farm Bureau, as far has he knows he filled out the right forms, jumped through the right hoops, and got what he should be getting. He may have no idea that Black Farmer Guy will not be getting a loan even if he fills and jumps all day long. Would you ask to see all their records and check for racial disparities or just take your check and get back to farming?

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20 minutes ago, kent_island_sailor said:

It seems obvious to me that CRT seems to mean 100 different things to 100 different people. That said, the basic idea that I get from it seems quite useful. People can be part of a racist system and support it without being racist themselves or even knowing about the racism inherent in it.
For example, if White Farmer Guy gets a loan from the Farm Bureau, as far has he knows he filled out the right forms, jumped through the right hoops, and got what he should be getting. He may have no idea that Black Farmer Guy will not be getting a loan even if he fills and jumps all day long. Would you ask to see all their records and check for racial disparities or just take your check and get back to farming?

Then you have the people who get angry when the numbers ARE checked, and it's pointed out to them that the system really is kinda tilted...

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Why we need critical race theory - reason number umpteen. 

As a corrective to the racist garbage that is presented in jr high texts in Louisiana. 

https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2021/6/14/2035192/-The-sad-story-of-southern-slave-owners-as-told-in-8th-grade-history-books

"They were able to reclaim their planation but, due to emancipation (the freeing of the slaves), lost all of their property in slaves. The family had to face the new reality of planting and harvesting their fields with freed people who, Kate regretted, now demanded "high wages"."

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15 hours ago, kent_island_sailor said:

If you mean my list, none of that goes on now, but it wasn't THAT long ago that it did, certainly in living memory.

Well, I’m glad you at least admit that it’s not happening now and hasn’t been for a long time.  Living memory??  How old are you?  None of your list has been happening for 40-50 years in my living memory.  

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2 hours ago, Burning Man said:

Well, I’m glad you at least admit that it’s not happening now and hasn’t been for a long time.  Living memory??  How old are you?  None of your list has been happening for 40-50 years in my living memory.  

I'll leave the 40-50 years for another day, but lets run with it. The WASPy side of my family has been able to build wealth in this country with little restriction for 400 years. A Black family with the same timeline has been property for 245 years and held down by law and custom for let us say 350 out of those 400 years. The effects of that are long lasting and so are the institutions that enforced it.

It is beyond naive to think that is all in the rear-view when Jim Crow voting restrictions are coming back with a vengeance.

 

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On 5/29/2021 at 10:55 PM, Mrleft8 said:

It's a theory promulgated by people of the Caucasian persuasion that school teachers and college professors are instructing our youth that being white is a bad thing, and that all other races are actually superior, because white people try to put them down.

 It's just another bullshit attempt to obfuscate the truth.

Two questions.

1. What is this truth you speak of?

2. Is CRT not just another re-treading of, "Your poor, poor thing, it isn't your fault."

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6 hours ago, kent_island_sailor said:

I'll leave the 40-50 years for another day, but lets run with it. The WASPy side of my family has been able to build wealth in this country with little restriction for 400 years. A Black family with the same timeline has been property for 245 years and held down by law and custom for let us say 350 out of those 400 years. The effects of that are long lasting and so are the institutions that enforced it.

It is beyond naive to think that is all in the rear-view when Jim Crow voting restrictions are coming back with a vengeance.

 

I never said it was in the rear view.  I was simply countering the list you put up there.  Those are not happening and have not been for a long time.

And I fully understand and stipulate that blacks are way behind and catching up in the wealth category.  What is your suggestion to catch them up?  Is YOUR waspy family going to hand over some of your wealth to make them whole?  Especially if they've been in the country for 400 years, chances are they owned slaves too.

 

 

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4 minutes ago, Burning Man said:

I never said it was in the rear view.  I was simply countering the list you put up there.  Those are not happening and have not been for a long time.

And I fully understand and stipulate that blacks are way behind and catching up in the wealth category.  What is your suggestion to catch them up?  Is YOUR waspy family going to hand over some of your wealth to make them whole?

Probably do via taxation.

That's how it works generally. The pain is spread out & the bennies targeted.

Of course this only works if people actually pay taxes but that's another thread...

FKT

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8 hours ago, kent_island_sailor said:

I'll leave the 40-50 years for another day, but lets run with it. The WASPy side of my family has been able to build wealth in this country with little restriction for 400 years. A Black family with the same timeline has been property for 245 years and held down by law and custom for let us say 350 out of those 400 years. The effects of that are long lasting and so are the institutions that enforced it.

@Burning Man  so does not get that, but actually he on occasion thinks a bit . . 

so there is hope. 

And on the same side of that coin is white privilege which he does not get either. 

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1 hour ago, Osborne Russell said:

"Critical" is a technical term in this context.  Comes from Marxism.

Now that is an even more bogus assertion. 

I had no idea Marx traveled back in time to ancient Greece. 

But yeah, one cannot get any more commie than "discerning judgment based on standards."

 The word ''critical'' derives etymologically from two Greek roots: "kriticos" (meaning discerning judgment) and "kriterion" (meaning standards). Etymologically, then, the word implies the development of "discerning judgment based on standards."

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1 hour ago, Ease the sheet. said:

Probably more accurate to say it was embraced by Marx and others.....

Yep - you would have a better case in claiming that it came out of the Enlightenment period when dogma really started getting put to various empirical tests - and failing.

Lot of people hated that then and still do.

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Here's the deal -

As part of the enlightenment, philosophers sought to apply 'logic' to solving many of the philosophical conundrums of morality.  Using just reason - and no appeal to god - what sort of moral rules can be internally consistent.  The two that endured are broadly Kantian Ethics and Utilitarianism.  Yea, that's a gross simplification.

Kantian ethics roughly boils down to 'do unto others what you'd have everyone do to everyone else'.  Its a recast golden rule.  But the important feature is that (a) it doesn't require god to be fundamentally true and (b)  you can build rules based on this philosophy and it will 'logically' hold together.  At the center is a form of universality - we should all act this way because it's the 'good' way to live.  There was another contemporary of Kant - Hegel - who basically said truth comes from conflict.  Take two ideas, put them in conflict with each other, take the best pieces from each, and come up with a third concept.  Thesis+Antithesis = Synthesis.

These philosophies are considered 'Objectively True' - because they can be derived through logic only.  There is no appeal to divinity - these are fundamentally atheistic concepts.  Later on, Objectivity will be co-opted and applied to Ayn Rand and further synthesized into "Objectivism".

Kant and Hegel are Germans.  Fun fact, they're also part of the imperial fold, and they used their considerable intellectual heft to justify the German empire.  This includes all sorts of racist ideas, including sewing the seeds of Eugenics.

Marx and Engels were followers of Kant and Hegel.  However, Marx and Engels were much more grounded.  They thought both Kant and Hegel had good concepts but, in practice, were far too squishy and high minded.  They were interested in how the German people suffered under the German government.  If everyone had equal value (as described by Kant) and we want a world where everyone is treated well, then the best way to get there is through application of reason (objectively truths) and the inevitable conflict that results (Hegel) is a proper an necessary part of the process.  See where this is going?

As AJ pointed out, 'Critical' means "discerning judgment coming from standards".  Discerning means 'through reason alone" and Judgement = Kantian standards in this context.  Hence, Critical Theory.

"Critical RACE Theory" is applying "Critical Theory" to Race instead of Class.  Human beings have value intrinsically - no creator needed.  The best way to recognize that value is to apply (e.g., the Kantian rubric - the Categorical Imperative) rules universally to everyone and through conflict and confrontation, create a better world.

Are they the same thing?  No.  Are shirts the same as sweaters?  No.  But they do they look pretty damn similar.  In fact evolve into something called a 'sweatshirt' that looks a like like both. 

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The truth is that control of language is control of minds so these terms get 'redefined' and weaponized.  But this is how it evolved.

 

 

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10 hours ago, Burning Man said:

I never said it was in the rear view.  I was simply countering the list you put up there.  Those are not happening and have not been for a long time.

And I fully understand and stipulate that blacks are way behind and catching up in the wealth category.  What is your suggestion to catch them up?  Is YOUR waspy family going to hand over some of your wealth to make them whole?  Especially if they've been in the country for 400 years, chances are they owned slaves too.

 

 

My family never owned slaves that I know of, that would have been fairly unusual for New England pilgrims. My plan to "catch them up" is to continue to eliminate racism from our country so that Blacks have the same chances everyone else does. That includes the ability to vote. Also my plan involves being honest, so say when everyone is having a cow about helping "socially disadvantaged" farmers, we acknowledge the outright racism that existed for decades in the farm aid programs. I still don't like the idea myself, but at least I get why someone would come up with it.

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1 hour ago, kent_island_sailor said:

My family never owned slaves that I know of, that would have been fairly unusual for New England pilgrims. My plan to "catch them up" is to continue to eliminate racism from our country so that Blacks have the same chances everyone else does. That includes the ability to vote. Also my plan involves being honest, so say when everyone is having a cow about helping "socially disadvantaged" farmers, we acknowledge the outright racism that existed for decades in the farm aid programs. I still don't like the idea myself, but at least I get why someone would come up with it.

Some branches of my family came over fairly early and it wouldn't suprise if some of them had owned slaves. No plantation owners or Confederate soldiers though... a "Virginia colonel of cavalry" in my great grandparents generation who moved to upstate New York as a young man ~ 1840, married wealth, and was poser and in his old age became seriously eccentric. OTOH on my mom's side I have a great-grandfather and a g'great uncle (3rd cousin?) in the Union army. One had his leg shot off in his first battle, the other went several years and several big ones.

For such a thing as reparations, how about paying for homes and businesses destroyed by white supremacist mobs? There are many many many, Tulsa is just the best publicized now.

Certainly, there is a sharp divide between people who are in favor of having a level playing field in business & education & law, and those who get all irate at the suggestion.

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4 minutes ago, Steam Flyer said:

Certainly, there is a sharp divide between people who are in favor of having a level playing field in business & education & law, and those who get all irate at the suggestion.

- DSK

I had an inspiration talking to someone whom I think of as quite racist because of comments he makes and I told him I did not like what he was saying. He told me he deals with Blacks far more often than his "more evolved" friends. I thought about it and he actually does. He hires a lot of them for various construction labor type jobs. I have seen him at work and he is actually quite polite, he would never ever be yelling nigger at anyone. What he does do is insist on everyone being in their place. He is Mister X and they go by first names. "Hey Jim, can you help move that wood?" "Sure thing Mr. X"

I decided that we have a lot of what I call "social order" racists that are not usually in favor of rude slurs, violence, or anything resembling what would go on at a KKK rally. What they want is Blacks in their place. As long as a rigid social order is maintained they are fine, it is when they feel that order threatened they get irate.

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9 minutes ago, kent_island_sailor said:

I had an inspiration talking to someone whom I think of as quite racist because of comments he makes and I told him I did not like what he was saying. He told me he deals with Blacks far more often than his "more evolved" friends. I thought about it and he actually does. He hires a lot of them for various construction labor type jobs. I have seen him at work and he is actually quite polite, he would never ever be yelling nigger at anyone. What he does do is insist on everyone being in their place. He is Mister X and they go by first names. "Hey Jim, can you help move that wood?" "Sure thing Mr. X"

I decided that we have a lot of what I call "social order" racists that are not usually in favor of rude slurs, violence, or anything resembling what would go on at a KKK rally. What they want is Blacks in their place. As long as a rigid social order is maintained they are fine, it is when they feel that order threatened they get irate.

^ this ^

Many people are truly in love with rigid social heirarchy. It has always been part of the definition of conservatism.

In a discussion of local history, which of course includes slavery and it's aftermath, an elderly black man (retired from a successful professional life) told me the difference between racists in the North and and the South.... "In the North, they don't care how -high- a black man rises, as long as he stays far away from them. In the South, they don't care how -close- a black man is to them, as long as he never ever rises above them." Has fair amount of truth to it, from my experiences........

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8 hours ago, BeSafe said:

Human beings have value intrinsically

I'm not sure that I agree with that 100%.  There's a lot of worthless pieces of garbage out there on this tiny marble that could disappear tomorrow and both mankind and mother nature would be better off for it.

Just saying.

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6 minutes ago, Osborne Russell said:

"Critical" is a technical term in the context of Critical Race Theory and Critical Theory in general.

So what is wrong with the social democratic Frankfurt School that so terrifies the Reich ?? 

I have no problem with it whatsoever. 

(this is from your own source) 

Drawing particularly on the thought of Karl Marx and Sigmund Freud, critical theorists maintain that a primary goal of philosophy is to understand and to help overcome the social structures through which people are dominated and oppressed. Believing that science, like other forms of knowledge, has been used as an instrument of oppression, they caution against a blind faith in scientific progress, arguing that scientific knowledge must not be pursued as an end in itself without reference to the goal of human emancipation.

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Just now, Osborne Russell said:

"critical" is a technical term in this context

I have no idea what you mean by that phrase . . 

How could I ?? 

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Just now, Osborne Russell said:

I've given you the sources.  Have you read them? 

read the source I just gave you from History News Network. 

It does a good job of exposing your agenda. 

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