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2 minutes ago, SloopJonB said:

You're right, I agree - vinyl sounds better than all other recording mediums.

It's a warmer sound.

I specifically said in my first post, in response to you, on this topic that I was staying the hell away from an argument on which of the recording media is better, so your comment has no connection whatsoever to my question. If you prefer to not answer, just don't answer. You don't have to go all ten-year-old on me, Sloop. I raised a factual point with a serious question about your comment that frequencies above ~12KHz were lost after the first play of a vinyl record. I simply pointed out that some quad (specifically CD4) records have a carrier signal at and above 30KHz that survives many plays and asked how you explain that in light of your assertion that you believe a loss of frequencies above 12KHz account for your "warmer sound".

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1 hour ago, Danceswithoctopus said:

I specifically said in my first post, in response to you, on this topic that I was staying the hell away from an argument on which of the recording media is better, so your comment has no connection whatsoever to my question. If you prefer to not answer, just don't answer. You don't have to go all ten-year-old on me, Sloop. I raised a factual point with a serious question about your comment that frequencies above ~12KHz were lost after the first play of a vinyl record. I simply pointed out that some quad (specifically CD4) records have a carrier signal at and above 30KHz that survives many plays and asked how you explain that in light of your assertion that you believe a loss of frequencies above 12KHz account for your "warmer sound".

Get a room you two.  With good acoustics if you must, but with great soundproofing so we don't have to listen.

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12 hours ago, mccroc said:

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A final observation - the same song released as a single on 45 rpm, and on an album at 33 and 1/3rd rpm would sound different. Like tape, the faster the record spins, the higher the frequency response, and the better the track would sound. So by singles not albums..

 Sure, it sounds like the singer was huffing helium.

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I'm sorry, but the human ear does not follow transients 44,000 times per second, any more than the human eye can see 44,000 frames per second.

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14 hours ago, mccroc said:

It is not absurd, it is factually correct. The fact that vinyl is back in favour only reinforces the truth that vinyl is higher quality than mp3s or mp4s etc.

I have worked in professional audio for over 40 years, starting in analogue, tape and vinyl, and now digital. There is absolutely no doubt that a decent stylus will reproduce both high and low frequencies that do not exist in a compressed digital file. Rolling off at 12khz does not make sound warmer.

If you are listening to a 24 bit 48kHz wav and compare it to a 320 kbits/sec 48k mp3, on cheap earbuds or on a laptop, no, you won't hear the difference. On a good system, in a treated room, you will. What digital files do not contain is all the harmonics that we do not actually hear, but we perceive, and that gives more warmth - not by rolling off, but by having a far wider frequency response.

When CDs first came out they sounded pretty thin compared with a great vinyl playback. And that was because firstly, a 16bit 44.1khz aiff file on a CD has nothing at all above about 14 or 15 kHz, and nothing below 40hz or so. It is effectively a brick wall at those frequencies. The second issue was that CDs were being mastered from the vinyl masters, which were pre equalised and compressed to allow for the vinyl stamping process, and for replay constraints. You can't allow really quick transients on vinyl as firstly the cutting lathe can't cut those transients, and secondly the stylus couldn't reproduce it. I used to experiment with half speed mastering to try to get around the issue.

Once they started remastering, things got better, although a CD, a mp3 or any down compressed file will never sound as good as the digital master, which may be at 96 or 192 khz sample rate, and therefore have far greater frequency response.

I subscribe to Tidal, where at a minimum each file is 16bit 44.1 khz, but a lot of files are digital masters, at a minimum of 24 bit 48 khz, and some even higher. On my system, and in our cars, my wife and I can both hear the difference.

A final observation - the same song released as a single on 45 rpm, and on an album at 33 and 1/3rd rpm would sound different. Like tape, the faster the record spins, the higher the frequency response, and the better the track would sound. So by singles not albums..

 

 

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1 hour ago, Grande Mastere Dreade said:

do you own gold plated Monster Cables?

No - my rationale being that if the studios that recorded and mixed the music don't use monster cable, then I don't need to! 

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11 hours ago, mccroc said:
13 hours ago, Grande Mastere Dreade said:

do you own gold plated Monster Cables?

No - my rationale being that if the studios that recorded and mixed the music don't use monster cable, then I don't need to! 

One mistake many people make is mixing up the left-hand twist Monster Cable with the right-hand twist Monster cable, and connecting them to the incorrect speakers

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7 hours ago, Marcjsmith said:

 

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I watched that plane with the shuttle strapped on take off from Kelly Air Force base in San Antonio, TX.  It came from California and was on it's way back to Florida and they stopped at Kelly for fuel. It was an incredible sight

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6 hours ago, Navig8tor said:

Let me guess, fuel consumption has a lot to do with your 50 pound limit. 

that and the fact the the average American traveler is heavier, and they’ve crammed a few more rows of seats.   I was on one of the budget airlines and their checked bag weight limit was 40lbs.  I was 5lbs over.  So I transferred some stuff from suitcase to carry on, which was going on the same plane.

Then there is this guy....with the foot action.  Well done.

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9 minutes ago, Autonomous said:

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Cuba is not socialism; it's fascist totaliarinism. 

Sweden and Denmark are socialist and have some of the happiest people and highest metrics, in education, health and elder care, and many other metrics...

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8 minutes ago, billy backstay said:

 

Cuba is not socialism; it's fascist totaliarinism. 

Sweden and Denmark are socialist and have some of the happiest people and highest metrics, in education, health and elder care, and many other metrics...

I hate to tell you this but you are trying to fix stupid.

Can't be done.

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3 minutes ago, billy backstay said:

 

Cuba is not socialism; it's fascist totaliarinism. 

Sweden and Denmark are socialist and have some of the happiest people and highest metrics, in education, health and elder care, and many other metrics...

And here I thought "total-liar-inism" referred to TFG.  

Like all other "communist" countries Cuba has made significant changes in the statism that was Fidel's modus operandi.  When I was there, I saw many signs of totalitarianism but few of fascism, as I understand the definition.  I saw as well many signs of incipient private enterprise.  

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2 minutes ago, Left Shift said:

And here I thought "total-liar-inism" referred to TFG.  

Like all other "communist" countries Cuba .....

 

Totally agree with the bolded!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

We have yet to visit Cuba, and not sure I will have time to do that, before my days run out. 

First we need to see Spain, Belgium, Portugal, and go back to Greece, Italy, France and Croatia.  If we still have any energy after that, Australia and New Zealand, then if any gas is left in the tank after that, then maybe Cuba.  Seen a lot of the beautiful Caribean, in our younger days, some with our girls when they were young.

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Totally agree with the bolded!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

We have yet to visit Cuba, and not sure I will have time to do that, before my days run out. 

First we need to see Spain, Belgium, Portugal, and go back to Greece, Italy, France and Croatia.  If we still have any energy after that, Australia and New Zealand, then if any gas is left in the tank after that, then maybe Cuba.  Seen a lot of the beautiful Caribean, in our younger days, some with our girls when they were young.

Cuba was one of the best trips I've ever taken.  Most educational and most fun.  I had the good fortune to get connected to a State Department approved group studying historic restoration - something the Cubans are very serious and very good about.  

Learned a great deal about rules for transfer of property, visited several artist's studios and homes and met with both government officials and architects who had been banned by Stalin.  We rode with members of the Havana Bicycle Club for a day spinning through town in a yanqui/cuban peloton with flags flying.  Fabulous day.  My ride was a brand new Cannondale purchased through Canada.  

We ate in private restaurants (paladars) and stayed in a true 5-star hotel - financed by the French and Swedish.   Our best night was at the monthly party of the Union of Performing Artists in their HQ, an old sugar baron's mansion in Havana.  They can salsa.  All night.

Our tour guide was the director of city planning for Havana and a sailor - you can charter small cruising boats for vacations on the south coast.  He visited me in Seattle and we went out for a day on my boat.  He was visiting his daughter at a US college - he was paying the tuition from Havana.

As you can see, we had fun.  

We were official, but you can go there through Cancun and at immigration the Cubans paper clip your visa to your passport to avoid a stamp.  Lots and lots of AirBnB places available. 

Go.  But take salt and pepper.  The stupid embargo mostly affects idiotic things like window glass and spices on a daily basis.  

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2 hours ago, billy backstay said:

 

Cuba is not socialism; it's fascist totaliarinism. 

Sweden and Denmark are socialist and have some of the happiest people and highest metrics, in education, health and elder care, and many other metrics...

Same for Singapore, socialist, healthy and crazy wealthy.

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2 hours ago, billy backstay said:

 

Cuba is not socialism; it's fascist totaliarinism. 

Sweden and Denmark are socialist and have some of the happiest people and highest metrics, in education, health and elder care, and many other metrics...

 

6 minutes ago, NaptimeAgain said:

Same for Singapore, socialist, healthy and crazy wealthy.

You guys need to look up the meaning of Socialism.

None of your quoted countrues are Socialist and would disclaim any such title. Seeden was possibly headed that way in the '70, but saw the error of its ways.

Cuba is definitely Marxist/Socialist. 

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2 minutes ago, Rambler said:

 

You guys need to look up the meaning of Socialism.

None of your quoted countrues are Socialist and would disclaim any such title. Seeden was possibly headed that way in the '70, but saw the error of its ways.

Cuba is definitely Marxist/Socialist. 

Actually, Singapore put out a pamphlet some years ago "Socialism that Works"

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18 minutes ago, NaptimeAgain said:

Same for Singapore, socialist, healthy and crazy wealthy.

Clean , Green and Works.

 

Totally without Soul .

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1 hour ago, NaptimeAgain said:

Same for Singapore, socialist, healthy and crazy wealthy.

Singapore is a benevolent dictatorship, not democratic socialism.

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1 hour ago, Rambler said:

You guys need to look up the meaning of Socialism.

None of your quoted countrues are Socialist and would disclaim any such title. Seeden was possibly headed that way in the '70, but saw the error of its ways.

Cuba is definitely Marxist/Socialist. 

What's that term?

Physician heal thyself.

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1 hour ago, Mid said:

Clean , Green and Works.

 

Totally without Soul .

The second is often said about Singapore, but I have been there many times and I thoroughly enjoy the place. 

I've been to many cities in SE Asia and there are few I disliked (Bandar Seri Bagawan comes to mind).  Singapore IS different, but not soulless IMHO.  Dubai, on the other hand ...

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Still makes no sense, especially given your personal complete misunderstanding of it and Cuba's status.

If you're talking about Singapore, its a bit of an outlier case. Yes, the national investment body owns about 60% of the prodictive capicity through what amounts to a National Wealth Fund, and much of the land which on which appartmens are built and let on long term leases to residents.

But the economy runs on capitalist, free market lines.

I suppose you're talking about the modern extended definition of Socialism; which seems to encompass everything and every country [ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socialism ], but that's modern speak and bears little relationship to its origins.

This might help your understanding of where Cuba stands and what Socialism is

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_socialist_states

Singapore doesn't get a mention.

Mind you, its a funny set out and gives strange results, I suppose because it talks of self decalred Socialist States and there is a seperate list for Communist ones. For Instance, North Korea doesn't get in the top line states.

 

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