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From the conservatives I've talked to, to the stories in the papers and on conservative outlets, it seems the prevailing motivation for supporting Republicans comes from fear.  Fear of brown people.  Fear of losing our freedom.  Fear of socialism.   And all with nothing but talk to support it.

It seems liberals and independents fear losing voting rights - justified as Republicans march forward with restrictive voting laws.  Fear of fascism - see above.  And other things that have something tangible to support those fears.  If somebody is fearmongering they had better provide evidence to support it.

What in the conservative mind makes them so easily frightened?

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Horse shit.  Americans were sheltered and were never really aware of the horror show going on in hospitals.  Sure there were photos of morgue trucks in parking lots-- which Trump 'tards such as yourse

If calling people out when people sling bullshit makes someone a lefty, perhaps you should examine the folks to whom you’ve hitched your wagon. The old Sol played nice with bullshitters. Now our count

Oh dear, So much stupid in your post and so little time. Lol The common denominator between Republicans, Democrats and Americans in general is fear. You’ve pointed out what you pe

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3 minutes ago, Jules said:

From the conservatives I've talked to, to the stories in the papers and on conservative outlets, it seems the prevailing motivation for supporting Republicans comes from fear.  Fear of brown people.  Fear of losing our freedom.  Fear of socialism.   And all with nothing but talk to support it.

It seems liberals and independents fear losing voting rights - justified as Republicans march forward with restrictive voting laws.  Fear of fascism - see above.  And other things that have something tangible to support those fears.  If somebody is fearmongering they had better provide evidence to support it.

What in the conservative mind makes them so easily frightened?

There's nothing conservative about those assholes. They just want power. Power to make sure the rich folks who foment the divide in this country do not have their entitled position threatened by a new majority that doesn't look like them and has a different (and more procreative) definition of "screwing people" than they do. Limited government? Yeah right. Fiscal responsibility?  yeah right. Stites' Rats?  Yeah right, until they vote for a democRAT. 

The fear does seem real.  Fear of a new majority treating them the way they treated the former minority, perhaps? 

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5 minutes ago, Sol Rosenberg said:

There's nothing conservative about those assholes. 

Those who follow the Reich Wing stochastic terror are terrible at evaluating sources of political information . . 

even the rocket scientists among them - hard as it is to believe. 

That makes them easy to manipulate - see Rupert Murdoch. 

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24 minutes ago, Jules said:

From the conservatives I've talked to, to the stories in the papers and on conservative outlets, it seems the prevailing motivation for supporting Republicans comes from fear.  Fear of brown people.  Fear of losing our freedom.  Fear of socialism.   And all with nothing but talk to support it.

It seems liberals and independents fear losing voting rights - justified as Republicans march forward with restrictive voting laws.  Fear of fascism - see above.  And other things that have something tangible to support those fears.  If somebody is fearmongering they had better provide evidence to support it.

What in the conservative mind makes them so easily frightened?

Oh dear, So much stupid in your post and so little time.

Lol


The common denominator between Republicans, Democrats and Americans in general is fear.


You’ve pointed out what you perceive as republican fears so Let me point out some Democrat’s fears:

 

Fear of freedom and being left to their own devices, that’s why they favor big government and handouts.

Fear of taking responsibility for their actions, that’s why they favor abortion.

Fear of individuality, that’s why they insist on conformity to the current woke lunacy.

Fear of truth, hence their inability to resolve social problems 

Fear of their own inabilities and stupidity, thence the constant attacks on those who succeed.

 

 

 I could go on but why bother, what with this being a cesspool of liberal lunacy and all.

 

 

 

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Social conservatism is an identity and a grudge. Reagan or W or Shitstain can stroke that identity. The grudge is against anyone outside of that group. Talk to a SoCon nutjob about why they hate Hillary and they're clueless. But they believe pizzagate + birtherism + QAnon + .... Ok, the intellectual 'conservatives', the ones with opposable thumbs, they don't believe pizzagate but then they're ok with their brethren who do because ... Hillary.

It all gets very circular, an epistemic closure. It's not quite identity politics but very similar. Populism is similar but not the same. Entitlement is definitely a part of it.

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Because the less educated are more easily misled and frightened . .  

the Reich opposes education.    Today on FAUX 

Rep. Michael McCaul (R-TX) expressed his concern with President Joe Biden's ambitious infrastructure bill that he could dash bipartisan support by expanding health care and education in the U.S.

Appearing on Fox News Sunday, the Republican congressman admitted a wide-ranging $1.2 trillion infrastructure deal was popular on both sides of the aisle, but said elements of the bill were "totally unacceptable," namely measures to increase education, clean energy and health care spending.

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1 hour ago, Jules said:

What in the conservative mind makes them so easily frightened?

Its essential weakness.

Commonly referred to as being "not too bright".

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3 minutes ago, El Mariachi said:

And just one more absolutely inane, totally incorrect and broad brush-painting post attempting to label half of Americans.....as fear ridden. Seriously? 70% of my friends, family, acquaintences and customers could be considered 'conservative adjacent'.....but not one of them are scared. Of fuking anything. Especially myself---nothing fuking 'scares' me.....except cottage cheese. So your f'ng ignorant post is completely inaccurate and does nothing more than to prove (yet again) that you fuking pussified pussies on the Left.....are clinically.....stupid. Seriously, most of you Leftistas here are just brainwashed Donny Lemonaders....and you're an embarassment to this country. So just knock-it-fuk-off with your unsubstantiated surmisering.....

 

You are describing RW Nutjobs, not Liberals....

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1 minute ago, SloopJonB said:

I had to peek.

And I rest my case.

 

Me thinks Boothy might have to go on ignore.  The RW Nutjob "force" is very strong with this one!!

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8 minutes ago, billy backstay said:

You are describing RW Nutjobs....

Ranting, name-calling and profanity are the only options when you feel intellectually inferior.  Though it is effective for scaring the far right into marching lock step with their leaders.

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4 minutes ago, Jules said:

Ranting, name-calling and profanity are the only options when you feel intellectually inferior.  Though it is effective for scaring the far right into marching lock step with their leaders.

That's about right. To quote the Rev. Jimmie Lee Farnsworth, those with perfect faith hath no need for perfect vision. 

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19 minutes ago, El Mariachi said:

And just one more absolutely inane, totally incorrect and broad brush-painting post attempting to label half of Americans.....as fear ridden. Seriously? 70% of my friends, family, acquaintences and customers could be considered 'conservative adjacent'.....but not one of them are scared. Of fuking anything. Especially myself---nothing fuking 'scares' me.....except cottage cheese. So your f'ng ignorant post is completely inaccurate and does nothing more than to prove (yet again) that you fuking pussified pussies on the Left.....are clinically.....stupid. Seriously, most of you Leftistas here are just brainwashed Donny Lemonaders....and you're an embarassment to this country. So just knock-it-the-fuk-off with your unsubstantiated surmisering.....

They're just scared of getting a little covid shot. So are 70% of your friends really vaccinated?

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1 minute ago, kent_island_sailor said:

What terrifies them the most seems to be that either they themselves or their kids won't be able to resist having gay sex :rolleyes:

Not to worry.  After they get caught they can always cry in public, say they have sinned and ask for forgiveness.

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33 minutes ago, El Mariachi said:

And just one more absolutely inane, totally incorrect and broad brush-painting post attempting to label half of Americans.....as fear ridden. Seriously? 70% of my friends, family, acquaintences and customers could be considered 'conservative adjacent'.....but not one of them are scared. Of fuking anything. Especially myself---nothing fuking 'scares' me.....except cottage cheese. So your f'ng ignorant post is completely inaccurate and does nothing more than to prove (yet again) that you fuking pussified pussies on the Left.....are clinically.....stupid. Seriously, most of you Leftistas here are just brainwashed Donny Lemonaders....and you're an embarassment to this country. So just knock-it-the-fuk-off with your unsubstantiated surmisering.....

Imagine if the same “broad brush” was used to describe Americans as fat or Polish people as stupid or black people as violent or Mexicans as lazy?
Imagine the outrage the puny liberal leftists loons would exhibit if we dared to use their “broad brush “ in such a discriminatory fashion?
 

 

 

 

 

Now, I’m off to have a six pack of Guinness and a packet of Taytos 

 

 

 

 

 

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7 minutes ago, Jules said:

Not to worry.  After they get caught they can always cry in public, say they have sinned and ask for forgiveness.

True conversation

Conservative dude: How would you like lesbians hanging around your daughter? Once they fall for that temptation how do you get them back?

Me: So your daughter wants to have sex with girls more than boys?

That conversation didn't end well :rolleyes:

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7 minutes ago, El Mariachi said:

You could NOT be more wrong.....

 

Please google Dunning-Krueger, and look in the mirror................  Never mind, here you go Rickster....

 

The Dunning–Kruger effect is a hypothetical cognitive bias stating that people with low ability at a task overestimate their ability.

As described by social psychologists David Dunning and Justin Kruger, the bias results from an internal illusion in people of low ability and from an external misperception in people of high ability; that is, "the miscalibration of the incompetent stems from an error about the self, whereas the miscalibration of the highly competent stems from an error about others".[1] It is related to the cognitive bias of illusory superiority and comes from people's inability to recognize their lack of ability. Without the self-awareness of metacognition, people cannot objectively evaluate their level of competence.

The effect, or Dunning and Kruger's original explanation for the effect, has been challenged by mathematical analyses[2][3][4][5] and comparisons across cultures.[6][7]

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44 minutes ago, Jules said:
57 minutes ago, billy backstay said:

You are describing RW Nutjobs....

Ranting, name-calling and profanity are the only options when you feel intellectually inferior.  Though it is effective for scaring the far right into marching lock step with their leaders.

Might be effective in scaring young people away from doing drugs

- DSK

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As @Sol Rosenberg said, the folks you're referring to are in no way "conservative".  They are populists.  Of course they're not going to admit they are populists, but there is nothing better to describe them.  Also the GOP is no longer the "conservative party".  They shed that facade at least a decade or more ago.  There is almost nothing that they have done in practice that makes them conservative, unless you only look at the social issues.  But again in reality, that is nothing more than social populism.  

Fortunately, the DemocRATs are mostly governing from the middle to slightly left.  On some things they are even slightly to the right of center, which pisses off the libbyrul hardcore LWNJ faction/squad to no end.  

I heard an interesting story recently on NPR talking about the rise of Emmanuel Macron in France.  He ran as a centrist and peeled massive numbers of moderate voters from both the left and the right who felt that their parties no longer represented their views.  I think if a truly centrist American candidate could emerge and pick off all the moderate voters in the US away from both the left and the right - he/she would win in a landslide in the general.  Our problem is the primaries favor the wing nut candidates and therefore all of the moderate voters are turned off by what they have to choose from in the primary.  Currently they either have to hold their noses and vote for the lesser of two evils or they just stay home.  I think if someone formed a truly moderate party that espoused moderate FP and fiscally conservative economic ideals while being slightly more left leaning on domestic social issues - that candidate would siphon off a huge chunk of the middle left and middle right.  I truly believe that ^^ is the only way we keep our country from fracturing further and becoming even more polarized than we are now, if that's even possible.

 

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44 minutes ago, Sol Rosenberg said:

That's about right. To quote the Rev. Jimmie Lee Farnsworth, those with perfect faith hath no need for perfect vision. 

"Don't believe what you see and hear, only I will tell you the truth."  TFG

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5 minutes ago, El Mariachi said:

Fuk if I know....those conversations rarely come up and I never ask. On the other hand, I haven't even got the shots yet. Not that I 'fear' the vaccine.....it's just that it's a rather expensive and very time consuming endeavor for me to make two 200 mile round trips to San Diego to get them. Not to mention the fuked up lines and multi hour waits trying to cross the border. But I also live on the beach in a town of less than 1200 people, in fresh air and daily 15 knot plus winds....and and the nearest Covid virus thingy around here are dead on arrival....given the nearest populated land mass......is 6000 f'ng miles away in Sushi-Land......

I understand optimism, but you've had seven months to get a shot. What you are not regarding is the problem has boiled down to the unvaccinated and the Delta variant. The only people who are dying now are the unvaccinated, and it will get worse. Mexico has had 233,000 deaths from covid, you are far from protected. 

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4 minutes ago, MR.CLEAN said:

That chick’s face looks like the holes in a pachinko machine.  Boothy has that ‘haven’t had my eyes checked in 6 years’ taste

I bet she has that "I haven't washed my vagina for 6 months" taste.

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1 minute ago, El Mariachi said:

Says the guy who couldn't get laid in a women's prison if he had the keys to the front gate, an Apache helicopter and a 300 acre ranch in Brazil.....

Bro I didn’t figure you for that guy who likes to spatula the makeup off before you can get to the actual surface of the object of your affection. To each his own tho. We all have our quirks

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42 minutes ago, Sea warrior said:

Imagine if the same “broad brush” was used to describe Americans as fat.  
 

Most of them are, especially the elk.  If we got you on a boat you’d have to roll under the vang.

 

 

 

 

 

lol

 

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21 minutes ago, El Mariachi said:

That smokin' hot governor chick of South Dakota would be my first choice as the next President of the U.S. Smarter than hell and more balls than a fuking Pachinko machine......

Those chicks with balls you like?  They’re not chicks....

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Same reason thieves are so worried about being robbed.

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1 hour ago, El Mariachi said:

And just one more absolutely inane, totally incorrect and broad brush-painting post attempting to label half of Americans.....as fear ridden. Seriously? 70% of my friends, family, acquaintences and customers could be considered 'conservative adjacent'.....but not one of them are scared. Of fuking anything. Especially myself---nothing fuking 'scares' me.....except cottage cheese. So your f'ng ignorant post is completely inaccurate and does nothing more than to prove (yet again) that you fuking pussified pussies on the Left.....are clinically.....stupid. Seriously, most of you Leftistas here are just brainwashed Donny Lemonaders....and you're an embarassment to this country. So just knock-it-the-fuk-off with your unsubstantiated surmisering.....

You're overcompensating.  We understand why.

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1 hour ago, Burning Man said:

As @Sol Rosenberg said, the folks you're referring to are in no way "conservative".  They are populists.  Of course they're not going to admit they are populists, but there is nothing better to describe them.  Also the GOP is no longer the "conservative party".  They shed that facade at least a decade or more ago.  There is almost nothing that they have done in practice that makes them conservative, unless you only look at the social issues.  But again in reality, that is nothing more than social populism.  

Fortunately, the DemocRATs are mostly governing from the middle to slightly left.  On some things they are even slightly to the right of center, which pisses off the libbyrul hardcore LWNJ faction/squad to no end.  

I heard an interesting story recently on NPR talking about the rise of Emmanuel Macron in France.  He ran as a centrist and peeled massive numbers of moderate voters from both the left and the right who felt that their parties no longer represented their views.  I think if a truly centrist American candidate could emerge and pick off all the moderate voters in the US away from both the left and the right - he/she would win in a landslide in the general.  Our problem is the primaries favor the wing nut candidates and therefore all of the moderate voters are turned off by what they have to choose from in the primary.  Currently they either have to hold their noses and vote for the lesser of two evils or they just stay home.  I think if someone formed a truly moderate party that espoused moderate FP and fiscally conservative economic ideals while being slightly more left leaning on domestic social issues - that candidate would siphon off a huge chunk of the middle left and middle right.  I truly believe that ^^ is the only way we keep our country from fracturing further and becoming even more polarized than we are now, if that's even possible.

As a resident libbyrul hardcore LWNJ, I can assure you that I didn't resent Clinton, Bill or Obama, Barack. I'm pleased with Biden, Joe and I voted for Clinton, Hillary.

You're right about the Dems governing from the middle to slightly left and then a little right on some issues. The Dems indeed are the party which you are describing and hoping for. You would think it would siphon reasonable 'conservatives'. It hasn't.  It won't. Actual flesh+blood conservatives drift further right. Seriously, they just voted in a guy (albeit by -3M votes) who suggested drinking bleach and shoving a UV lamp up their ass to ward away the rona. Then they voted for him again, in record numbers.

We are indeed a polarized nation but it isn't both sides fault. That's just ... bothsiderism.

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1 minute ago, El Mariachi said:

Well.....I've never seen a Hollywood close-up of her before.....so I guess I just call her a very smart 30 footer from now on.....

She's very smart from 30 feet.

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5 hours ago, Jules said:

From the conservatives I've talked to, to the stories in the papers and on conservative outlets, it seems the prevailing motivation for supporting Republicans comes from fear.  Fear of brown people.  Fear of losing our freedom.  Fear of socialism.   And all with nothing but talk to support it.

It seems liberals and independents fear losing voting rights - justified as Republicans march forward with restrictive voting laws.  Fear of fascism - see above.  And other things that have something tangible to support those fears.  If somebody is fearmongering they had better provide evidence to support it.

What in the conservative mind makes them so easily frightened?

You are absolutely correct.

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3 hours ago, random. said:

Then, right on cue, as always, he paints the other half ...

The stupid cunt is just not self aware enough to notice his insanity

It's called trolling... for attention.

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When I want attention I show up to high school in my pajamas..... 45 years ago, in my nightmares. And that was not the kind of attention I wanted....

Nor did I like the attention when Mr. Palmer, my 6th grade math teacher obviously caught me staring at Sheila Cullen for half an hour before he called me up to the blackboard to solve an equation that I had no idea was even going on....

 Yeah.... Walk up to the front of class holding your notebook over your bulging crotch and look like a complete asshole with everyone else in the room, including Mr. Palmer, and Sheila Cullen laughing their asses off.

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3 hours ago, Ishmael said:

I bet she has that "I haven't washed my vagina for 6 months" taste.

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Whether they fear or not doesn't really matter when all your women look like fucking Neaderthals.

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4 minutes ago, pusslicker said:

Whether they fear or not doesn't really matter when all your women look like fucking Neaderthals.

I gotta say.... You are SO correct!

And to imagine that these people made fun of Michelle Obama, and said that she looked like an ape....

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1 hour ago, pusslicker said:

Whether they fear or not doesn't really matter when all your women look like fucking Neaderthals.

Well, when the men look like Australopithecines or aliens, you know there are some branches of the tree that haven't quite died out.

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5 hours ago, Left Shift said:

"Don't believe what you see and hear, only I will tell you the truth."  TFG

Or as Richard Pryor put it, "Who are you gonna believe, me or your lying eyes??" 

Groucho also used that line to great effect . . 

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43 minutes ago, Ishmael said:

Well, when the men look like Australopithecines or aliens, you know there are some branches of the tree that haven't quite died out.

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I thought it was done with makeup - I never knew there were real coneheads.

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5 hours ago, Olsonist said:

As a resident libbyrul hardcore LWNJ, I can assure you that I didn't resent Clinton, Bill or Obama, Barack. I'm pleased with Biden, Joe and I voted for Clinton, Hillary.

I'm sorry, I completely missed the point where I accused you of resenting any of them.  Do you have a point, or did you just need to get that off your chest?

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Just now, Burning Man said:

I'm sorry, I completely missed the point where I accused you of resenting any of them.  Do you have a point, or did you just need to get that off your chest?

You did say 

Fortunately, the DemocRATs are mostly governing from the middle to slightly left.  On some things they are even slightly to the right of center, which pisses off the libbyrul hardcore LWNJ faction/squad to no end.  

I is one of those disgusting libbyruls who, according to our resident expert on liberals, you, would be pissed off by the even slightly to the right of center sins committed by the listed governing Democrats. Trouble is that I wasn't. Well, Afghanistan pissed me off. Obama should have left Afghanistan. You got me there.

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6 hours ago, Burning Man said:

As @Sol Rosenberg said, the folks you're referring to are in no way "conservative".  They are populists.  Of course they're not going to admit they are populists, but there is nothing better to describe them.  Also the GOP is no longer the "conservative party".  They shed that facade at least a decade or more ago.  There is almost nothing that they have done in practice that makes them conservative, unless you only look at the social issues.  But again in reality, that is nothing more than social populism.  

Fortunately, the DemocRATs are mostly governing from the middle to slightly left.  On some things they are even slightly to the right of center, which pisses off the libbyrul hardcore LWNJ faction/squad to no end.  

I heard an interesting story recently on NPR talking about the rise of Emmanuel Macron in France.  He ran as a centrist and peeled massive numbers of moderate voters from both the left and the right who felt that their parties no longer represented their views.  I think if a truly centrist American candidate could emerge and pick off all the moderate voters in the US away from both the left and the right - he/she would win in a landslide in the general.  Our problem is the primaries favor the wing nut candidates and therefore all of the moderate voters are turned off by what they have to choose from in the primary.  Currently they either have to hold their noses and vote for the lesser of two evils or they just stay home.  I think if someone formed a truly moderate party that espoused moderate FP and fiscally conservative economic ideals while being slightly more left leaning on domestic social issues - that candidate would siphon off a huge chunk of the middle left and middle right.  I truly believe that ^^ is the only way we keep our country from fracturing further and becoming even more polarized than we are now, if that's even possible.

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As a resident libbyrul hardcore LWNJ, I can assure you that I didn't resent Clinton, Bill or Obama, Barack. I'm pleased with Biden, Joe and I voted for Clinton, Hillary.

You're right about the Dems governing from the middle to slightly left and then a little right on some issues. The Dems indeed are the party which you are describing and hoping for. You would think it would siphon reasonable 'conservatives'. It hasn't.  It won't. Actual flesh+blood conservatives drift further right. Seriously, they just voted in a guy (albeit by -3M votes) who suggested drinking bleach and shoving a UV lamp up their ass to ward away the rona. Then they voted for him again, in record numbers.

We are indeed a polarized nation but it isn't both sides fault. That's just ... bothsiderism.

A few things need addressing here..... 1) I now see where you got the resentment part from.  All I know is that more and more the deep "progressive wing" of the D's are becoming restless that Joe is not pushing harder to get their agenda through, starting with the filibuster.  They are getting pissed off, by all the accounts I hear, that he is more worried about compromise and bipartisanship than he is in ramming the progressive agenda down Mitch's throat.  So you may be the outlier.  Just saying.

2) I'm fairly pleased with Biden, Joe so far.  I have few issues with him to date and I wish we had had his leadership a year ago on the covid stuff and we might have a lot less than 600K dead Americans right now.  IN fact, I do not think that TFG would have ever been elected had you guys run ABH.  Its a fact that a lot of died in the wool, life long, kenyan voting dems switched and voted for TFG-cuntstain or just stayed home ebcause they couldn't stand her.  But she was the anointed one by the party, so it was already ordained.  

3)  I disagree with you that "reasonable conservatives" voted for said cuntstain-1 each.  Reasonable cons may have pulled the handle for him in 2016 out of either having no other choice or they were willing to roll the dice to see what this guy was going to do.  But the reasonable ones did not vote for him in 2020.  Hence why he lost.  Not to mention that the truly reasonable ones like @Sol Rosenberg and myself had left the rank and file GOP long before cuntstain was even on the scene.  Or rather I should say they left us, because the words "GOP" and "conservative" should never be used in the same sentence ever again.

 

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42 minutes ago, SloopJonB said:

I thought it was done with makeup - I never knew there were real coneheads.

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pin heads.... not cone heads.

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10 hours ago, Jules said:

From the conservatives I've talked to, to the stories in the papers and on conservative outlets, it seems the prevailing motivation for supporting Republicans comes from fear.  Fear of brown people.  Fear of losing our freedom.  Fear of socialism.   And all with nothing but talk to support it.

It seems liberals and independents fear losing voting rights - justified as Republicans march forward with restrictive voting laws.  Fear of fascism - see above.  And other things that have something tangible to support those fears.  If somebody is fearmongering they had better provide evidence to support it.

What in the conservative mind makes them so easily frightened?

First of all, what you are describing as "conservatives" are actually "populists".  Please don't confuse the two.  

2nd - I don't think it's "Fear of Brown people".  There IS a legitimate fear of our borders being insecure and porous and allowing massive waves of illegal immigration left unchecked.  It's not fear mongering, it's a legitimate sense that as a sovereign nation, we should have control of who we admit, how many we admit and why we admit them to our country.  Just because you can't find a good job in your shithole village in Guatemala doesn't mean that is MY problem to solve.  The increasing waves of illegal immigrants trying to sneak across our border is not just talk.  It's a fact.  

What you all continually miss is that it's not just being frightened.  It's a sense of being out of control or being left behind and ignored in favor of someone who sneaks across the rio grande and breaks the law to get here.  The fact that populist figures like TFG-cuntstain are able to take advantage of that sense of unease and dissatisfaction with the choices their gov't is making should tell you there is some "there" there.  The more you ignore it, the more you do so at your own peril.  I believe that this whole experiment in democracy and federalism will come unglued in a rather spectacular fashion sooner rather if those issues are not addressed.  

Just saying.  

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18 minutes ago, random. said:

We had a hot temporary teacher Mrs Maynard, she was the wife of one of the other teachers.  She knew she was hot and wore clothes to just fuck with the heads of school boys.  I could not help but stare, fascinated.

She must have been bored one day and singled me out.  Stood in front of my desk, hands on hips, elbows back  ...

"WELL!!!????   You have been having a good look young man, so are all the bumps in the right places?   Well ARE THEY????"

I think I said.  "Yes."

 

As you wet your panties.  

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37 minutes ago, Burning Man said:

A few things need addressing here..... 1) I now see where you got the resentment part from.  All I know is that more and more the deep "progressive wing" of the D's are becoming restless that Joe is not pushing harder to get their agenda through, starting with the filibuster.  They are getting pissed off, by all the accounts I hear, that he is more worried about compromise and bipartisanship than he is in ramming the progressive agenda down Mitch's throat.  So you may be the outlier.  Just saying.

2) I'm fairly pleased with Biden, Joe so far.  I have few issues with him to date and I wish we had had his leadership a year ago on the covid stuff and we might have a lot less than 600K dead Americans right now.  IN fact, I do not think that TFG would have ever been elected had you guys run ABH.  Its a fact that a lot of died in the wool, life long, kenyan voting dems switched and voted for TFG-cuntstain or just stayed home ebcause they couldn't stand her.  But she was the anointed one by the party, so it was already ordained.  

3)  I disagree with you that "reasonable conservatives" voted for said cuntstain-1 each.  Reasonable cons may have pulled the handle for him in 2016 out of either having no other choice or they were willing to roll the dice to see what this guy was going to do.  But the reasonable ones did not vote for him in 2020.  Hence why he lost.  Not to mention that the truly reasonable ones like @Sol Rosenberg and myself had left the rank and file GOP long before cuntstain was even on the scene.  Or rather I should say they left us, because the words "GOP" and "conservative" should never be used in the same sentence ever again.

DailyKos is pretty much a bellwether progressive blog. This is their roundup page on Joe today:

https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2021/7/5/2038516/-PRESIDENT-JOE-BIDEN-DAY166-Evening-Shade-Monday

Seriously dude, I'm not going to lecture you on reloading. I promise. Don't lecture me on progressives. I am one and I know a lot more of them in the Bay Area than you do in Vegastan.

Yes, 'reasonable conservatives' did vote for Shitstain in 2020. In fact, 74,216,154 'conservatives' voted for him, more than any previous Republican ever, more even than any previous presidential winner ever. Their hands are brown and they smell despite many washings. They didn't sit the election out. Bob Dole voted for Shitstain.

Not enough proof? Let's look at a proxy vote. Chuck Grassley might sound like a reasonable Republican. I do not know how he voted in November but he voted against the Jan 6th commission in May. So did Cornyn, Ernst, ... Six reasonable Senate Republicans voted in favor. Thirty five voted nay.

https://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=117&session=1&vote=00218

Wake up and smell the shit.

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28 minutes ago, Burning Man said:

First of all, what you are describing as "conservatives" are actually "populists".  Please don't confuse the two. 

So you are saying that populists are fearful, but conservatives are not ?? 

First I have heard that one. 

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32 minutes ago, Burning Man said:

Just because you can't find a good job in your shithole village in Guatemala doesn't mean that is MY problem to solve. 

Well actually it was the US national security state that deliberately blew up democracy in Guatemala; blocked land reform, supported vicious oligarchs, and backed (anti-Maya) genocidists right up until the mid-1990's. 

Maybe you think it is not your problem to solve, but it sure as hell is a problem that the US created almost single-handedly. 

An estimated 200,000 Guatemalans were killed during the Guatemalan Civil War including at least 40,000 persons who "disappeared". 93% of civilian executions were carried out by government forces.  

 the United States was intimately involved in equipping and training Guatemalan security forces that murdered thousands of civilians in the nation's civil war, according to newly declassified U.S. intelligence documents.

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1 minute ago, El Mariachi said:

Maybe....because you spend your life inside of a faculty lounge .....surrounded by East Coast psuedo intellectuals.....who wouldn't last six minutes outdoors without a police escort and three Girl Scouts teaching you where shadows come from, and how to tell the difference between a squirrel and a fuking fire hydrant?.....

Well, to be fair, the Bernster does know a lot more than you. 

Most unis nowadays are too big to have just one faculty lounge; ours was the exception. We had only one. Lots of inter-disciplinary-ism goin' on !! 

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8 minutes ago, quod umbra said:

Quick question. Who sells fear? Does the left not sell fear in the form of Covid Pandemic as a means to control people?

I am always amazed when one side thinks it is the sole domain of the other....... when it is plain as the nose on their face, it is both sides!

If "The Left" can create things like CoVid-19 then their rule of the world is already absolute.

- DSK

 

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14 minutes ago, quod umbra said:

Quick question. Who sells fear? Does the left not sell fear in the form of Covid Pandemic as a means to control people?

I am always amazed when one side thinks it is the sole domain of the other....... when it is plain as the nose on their face, it is both sides!

Quick question: Was there any reason to fear COVID or was the promulgated information that resulted in fear just leftist propaganda?

Another quick question: Why do you assume fear was sold to control people? 

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23 minutes ago, Sol Rosenberg said:
40 minutes ago, quod umbra said:

Quick question. Who sells fear? Does the left not sell fear in the form of Covid Pandemic as a means to control people?

I am always amazed when one side thinks it is the sole domain of the other....... when it is plain as the nose on their face, it is both sides!

 

a "whatabout" with abject bullshit.  

Outstanding ambition, bullshitters! 

 

Bullshit is the best and most effective way to fight a deadly virus

That's why Trumperica has THE BEST record on CoVid-19 in the whole big world, bigly... belief me!

- DSK

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Bullshit is the best and most effective way to fight a deadly virus

That's why Trumperica has THE BEST record on CoVid-19 in the whole big world, bigly... belief me!

- DSK

With New York's Most Competent Citizen in charge, there was nothing to fear from COVID.  It's not like it was something deadly like Ebola 2014! Thanks Obama!

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Information is not fear if it's meant to save your life, and the lives of others around you.

Covid information was/is not sold as fear to control, it is put out for people to be informed about their options. Option one: get vaccinated and continue to live a fairly normal life. Option B: do not get vaccinated, but live in isolation, and wear a mask when you go shopping or to work. Option C: don't get vaccinated, don't keep social distance, don't wear a mask, and risk ending up in the hospital, or morgue.

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8 minutes ago, quod umbra said:

It absolutely was sold as fear for a means of control., absolutely.

Horse shit.  Americans were sheltered and were never really aware of the horror show going on in hospitals.  Sure there were photos of morgue trucks in parking lots-- which Trump 'tards such as yourself ignored, but Americans were so blissfully ignorant of the Horror that Trump 'tards, such as yourself, would show up to hospitals "investigating the hoax."  One day in January a nurse on my unit started her shift with four patients. They were all dead by the end of her shift.  Nurses and docs with ptsd. Nurses and docs committing suicide.   If more Americans had seen air hungry people begging to be intubated--- when there is not a vent in the state or the next state for them-- then Americans might have known fear. 

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13 minutes ago, quod umbra said:

It absolutely was sold as fear for a means of control., absolutely.

Do you mean the information was provided as a means to convince the public it is in their best interest to be vaccinated?  If so, I would agree.  I see nothing wrong with educating the public about new health threats.

If you mean something else, please explain, and substantiate your statement with verifiable facts.

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23 minutes ago, quod umbra said:

I rarely, if ever respond to your posts..... just too much sanctimonious BS from you....

I see Sol's responses more as frustration with the brick wall reasonable people encounter when the facts are presented to Trump loyalists.  They cannot be reasoned with so Sol calls out their responses as bullshit.  While it may be a bit in-your-face, it is accurate.

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2 hours ago, quod umbra said:

Face it, you fear the right in America. They scare the crap out of you.

I do fear for the republic - such as it is. 

They are out to destroy it. 

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15 minutes ago, Clove Hitch said:

Horse shit.  Americans were sheltered and were never really aware of the horror show going on in hospitals.  Sure there were photos of morgue trucks in parking lots-- which Trump 'tards such as yourself ignored, but Americans were so blissfully ignorant of the Horror that Trump 'tards, such as yourself, would show up to hospitals "investigating the hoax."  One day in January a nurse on my unit started her shift with four patients. They were all dead by the end of her shift.  Nurses and docs with ptsd. Nurses and docs committing suicide.   If more Americans had seen air hungry people begging to be intubated--- when there is not a vent in the state or the next state for them-- then Americans might have known fear. 

Don’t worry. Bullshitters can bullshit that history away and make it all better. 

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43 minutes ago, quod umbra said:

DSK, Please, I did not say the left created Covid unless you are a Chinese National (wink).
What I was saying is the left fanned the flames of fear as a means to control the population.

If you actually follow the science, as opposed to just claiming to do so, you would not have gone total shutdown..... but rather limited restrictions of folks based on pre-dispositions. We did not do that and it was pure grabbing control of the masses through fear.

Yeah? Is telling the truth, as in "this shit will kill you" what you call fanning the flames of fear?

I'm guessing you would like to push the narrative toward CoVid-19 being a hoax, that 600,000+ USAnians have not died of it, that hospitals have not been overwhelmed, that it's not a historic plague, perhaps toss in the lie that Sweden did the best and never had lockdowns (a double lie, actually)..... etc etc

If you actually follow the science, you would have accepted test-and-trace as the best way to get on top of the pandemic in the absence of a vaccine. And -with- the vaccine, you'd be encouraging your fellow Trumptards to get vaccinated (like Trump did).

But no, your "follow the science" actually means "follow RWNJ bullshit"

- DSK

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21 minutes ago, Jules said:

I see Sol's responses more as frustration with the brick wall reasonable people encounter when the facts are presented to Trump loyalists.  They cannot be reasoned with so Sol calls out their responses as bullshit.  While it may be a bit in-your-face, it is accurate.

I did remind people that Donald Trump is a creature of New York. While that is admittedly hitting below the belt, I will continue to remind people of the origins of New York's most erudite citizen. 

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@Burning Man  Your silence perhaps shows that you are thinking - and that is a good thing. 

The history of the US role in Latin America is really not pretty, and in the end studying it transformed the way I looked at my country. 

Call it "woke" if you want. 

Suggest you read "Bitter Fruit", about how the US destroyed (social) democracy in Guatemala in 1954.  

Bitter Fruit: The Story of the American Coup in Guatemala

 

9 hours ago, AJ Oliver said:

Well actually it was the US national security state that deliberately blew up democracy in Guatemala; blocked land reform, supported vicious oligarchs, and backed (anti-Maya) genocidists right up until the mid-1990's. 

Maybe you think it is not your problem to solve, but it sure as hell is a problem that the US created almost single-handedly. 

An estimated 200,000 Guatemalans were killed during the Guatemalan Civil War including at least 40,000 persons who "disappeared". 93% of civilian executions were carried out by government forces.  

 the United States was intimately involved in equipping and training Guatemalan security forces that murdered thousands of civilians in the nation's civil war, according to newly declassified U.S. intelligence documents.

 

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First thought - there are a number of posters here who put forth absolute beliefs based on their opinions.  Facts would really help and keep me from just scrolling by like farts in the elevator.

So, to understand where we are today some history would help. Has anyone here watched the series "While The Rest Of Us Die"? Very interesting and while it doesn't paint the deep state picture it does show the government was very interested in preserving itself during the cold war.  To the tune of billions of bucks and lots of feel good propaganda for the rest of us.  In a nuke war everyone dies.  Except for a very privileged few.   Now what does that have to do with today? Well, when the cold war thawed it coincided with the Civil Rights movements and the Vietnam War protests.  Now the Government (deep state for you conspiracy nuts) saw this as the threat to it's survival and targeted these groups as the enemy.  Remember the Better Dead than Red, A commie behind every bush? McCarthyism? 

So those seeds were planted and is why we see COMMIE and SOCIALIST thrown out by the Right Wing folks, because they have the money and the power and don't want to lose it.  At this level it's not a Left vs Right as much as Money/Power vs everyone perceived to be taking it away.  It's necessary to have an enemy of a national scale even if it's internal.  Since the extremist groups are white folk it just doesn't sell well.

 

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11 hours ago, Burning Man said:

First of all, what you are describing as "conservatives" are actually "populists".  Please don't confuse the two.  

2nd - I don't think it's "Fear of Brown people".  There IS a legitimate fear of our borders being insecure and porous and allowing massive waves of illegal immigration left unchecked.  It's not fear mongering, it's a legitimate sense that as a sovereign nation, we should have control of who we admit, how many we admit and why we admit them to our country.  Just because you can't find a good job in your shithole village in Guatemala doesn't mean that is MY problem to solve.  The increasing waves of illegal immigrants trying to sneak across our border is not just talk.  It's a fact.  

What you all continually miss is that it's not just being frightened.  It's a sense of being out of control or being left behind and ignored in favor of someone who sneaks across the rio grande and breaks the law to get here.  The fact that populist figures like TFG-cuntstain are able to take advantage of that sense of unease and dissatisfaction with the choices their gov't is making should tell you there is some "there" there.  The more you ignore it, the more you do so at your own peril.  I believe that this whole experiment in democracy and federalism will come unglued in a rather spectacular fashion sooner rather if those issues are not addressed.  

Just saying.  

Given the latest census, me thinks we need MORE immigration, not less.

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1 hour ago, quod umbra said:

DSK, Please, I did not say the left created Covid unless you are a Chinese National (wink).
What I was saying is the left fanned the flames of fear as a means to control the population.

If you actually follow the science, as opposed to just claiming to do so, you would not have gone total shutdown..... but rather limited restrictions of folks based on pre-dispositions. We did not do that and it was pure grabbing control of the masses through fear.

Umm, Trump is the guy who was in charge during the "total shutdowns"

Just mentioning that fact, and he wasn't "the left"

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1 hour ago, quod umbra said:

DSK, Please, I did not say the left created Covid unless you are a Chinese National (wink).
What I was saying is the left fanned the flames of fear as a means to control the population.

If you actually follow the science, as opposed to just claiming to do so, you would not have gone total shutdown..... but rather limited restrictions of folks based on pre-dispositions. We did not do that and it was pure grabbing control of the masses through fear.

Umm, Trump is the guy who was in charge during the "total shutdowns"

Just mentioning that fact, and he wasn't "the left"

Sh-ss-sh! Stop with the facts, you'll scare it away!

- DSK

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11 minutes ago, Raz'r said:

 

Just mentioning that fact, and he wasn't "the left"

Well, he was a few years back, but by 2015 he had become a True American bigly and strongly with ironclad principles that never wa(i)ver. 

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1 hour ago, AJ Oliver said:
4 hours ago, quod umbra said:

Face it, you fear the right in America. They scare the crap out of you.

I do fear for the republic - such as it is. 

They are out to destroy it. 

It's perfectly understandable to fear people easily controlled, brainwashed, and willing to follow their leader without question.  History is filled with the fallout of such loyalists. 

Those of us who know history fear we may be repeating what happened in Germany in 1933.  And there's plenty of evidence to support that fear.  The far right wing of the Republican party is already marching down that path and most are doing so because they fear their Fuhrer.

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SoCon nutjobs actually really do want the Great Civil War that Shitstain has been stoking. But reasonable Republicans (aka "conservatives") just want to use this to grab power. These forces are not in opposition. RRs are not saying clamp down on the sedition talk and SoCons are not saying ixnay with the gerrymandering. They are in concert.

Conservatives Have No Plan To Win the Culture War. They Intend to Rule Anyway.

https://washingtonmonthly.com/2021/07/05/conservatives-have-no-plan-to-win-the-culture-war-but-they-intend-to-rule-anyway/

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2 hours ago, Clove Hitch said:

Horse shit.  Americans were sheltered and were never really aware of the horror show going on in hospitals.  Sure there were photos of morgue trucks in parking lots-- which Trump 'tards such as yourself ignored, but Americans were so blissfully ignorant of the Horror that Trump 'tards, such as yourself, would show up to hospitals "investigating the hoax."  One day in January a nurse on my unit started her shift with four patients. They were all dead by the end of her shift.  Nurses and docs with ptsd. Nurses and docs committing suicide.   If more Americans had seen air hungry people begging to be intubated--- when there is not a vent in the state or the next state for them-- then Americans might have known fear. 

Quod/Cristoforo/J_T and innumerable other socks...is an idiot. He's probably half of the RWNJ's on this site all by himself.

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3 hours ago, quod umbra said:


What I was saying is the left fanned the flames of fear as a means to control the population.

 

'control the population', maybe lay off the shitty science fiction. way to put a tedious and transparent willfully idiotic, disingenuous slant on it. maybe it was more like too many clown dumbfuck simpletons couldn't be bothered to take it with the consideration it warranted (in no small part because the Cuntstain in chief was downplaying the whole thing over electability and economic issues). the right-wing shits were being right-wing shits, a bit like your crapola above.

nobody was trying to 'control the population' moron, they were just being adults and trying to corral all these fkg pathetic overgrown children so they didn't shit the bed. you already know all that, but if you don't, remove yourself from the gene pool.

 

 

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Out here in disgustingly liberal California, the population was ordered to mask up and socially distance. They even illegally closed gun stores. Gun stores! Sadly freedom lost but only because of corrupt liberal judges. After that affront to our civil liberties, the state govmint provided vaccinations against our will and using our own money. It was only when righteous Republicans gathered enough signatures to recall Gavin that he finally reopened the state. Or something like that.

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