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LOS ANGELES — Despite California losing a congressional seat for the first time in history due to slow population growth and some high-profile technology companies and billionaires leaving the state, there is no evidence of an abnormal increase in residents planning to move out of the state, according to a University of California survey released Wednesday.

The research, which included UCLA, is part of a larger, multi-institution research consortium led by UC to assess whether there is in fact a “California exodus,” and to help inform state policy and public knowledge by focusing on state population patterns.

Formed in fall 2020, the project includes studies conducted by scholars at UCLA, UCSD, UC Berkeley, Stanford and Cornell University. The research draws on public opinion data, the U.S. Census, consumer credit histories, home ownership rates, venture capital investments and information from the Franchise Tax Board.

“From housing affordability to post-pandemic recovery, California is faced with solving a daunting number of existential challenges,” UC Regent John Perez said. “Sliced and diced by geography, race, income and other demographic factors, our efforts have produced a clearer picture of who perceives California as the Golden State versus a failed state.

“The empirical data will be, at once, disappointing to those who want to write California’s obituary, as well as a call to action for policymakers to address the challenges that have caused some to lose faith in the California Dream,” he continued.

The UCLA study found the number of those moving out of California to other states has trended up since 2012, but is similar to levels last seen in the mid-2000s.

The UCLA research also shows Americans between the ages of 25-39 are moving at roughly double that of middle-age or older people. While moving into California remains elevated for younger people through 2019, the combination of some decline coupled with those moving out of state has driven down the number of younger people moving into California overall.

The number of Americans aged 60 and older moving into California has fallen since 2014, while more elderly Californians are moving out of state. The number of younger and older residents moving out of California has also trended up since 2014.

Among U.S. destinations, Texas and Washington were at the top of the list among younger people, whereas low-cost and proximate areas of Nevada and Arizona dominated destinations among older Californians.

Fewer than 5% of foreign-born immigrants who arrived in the United States during the prior two years left California.

UCSD recently conducted a survey that found the percentage of Californians who plan to leave the state has remained static over the past two years: 23% percent of California’s voters reported that they were seriously considering leaving the state, compared to 24% found in a 2019 survey conducted by UC Berkeley.

The UCSD survey of more than 3,000 respondents also found:

— By nearly a 2-to-1 margin, Californians said they still believe in the “California Dream” — that it’s a great place to live and raise a family. Spanish speakers, Latinos, African Americans, Asian Americans and younger Californians are more optimistic, while middle-class Californians, white respondents, older residents and Republicans are more pessimistic.

— Those living in parts of the state that have not been part of recent economic expansions are most likely to contemplate moving.

 Middle-class Californians making incomes between $50,000 and $100,000 are the most concerned about the state of California today as well as its future.

— There is a gap between the percentage of Democrats — 21% — and Republicans — 30% — seriously considering moving.

— Asked to look ahead 10 years, 35% of respondents believe it would be better if the population decreases significantly and 46% want it to stay about the same. Only 19% of those surveyed said that the state would be better if its population increases.

The survey also revealed an 8% decrease in the percentage of Californians who called the state one of the best places to live, down from 50% in the 2019 poll to 42% in the 2021 UCSD poll.

The poll found that affluent Californians are the group most satisfied with the direction of the state and very likely to believe that it will be a better place when today’s children grow up. The analysis of nearly two decades of Franchise Tax Board data demonstrated no flight of millionaires away from California despite multiple tax increases levied on higher earners in recent years.

“Despite the popular notion of unhappy Californians leaving the state en masse, our robust research shows there is actually no exodus,” said Thad Kousser, chair of the political science department at UCSD and the lead researcher of the most recent survey.

“Policymakers, including those trying to prevent an exodus, should focus more on those who are not as optimistic about the state’s direction, including many in the middle class facing steep housing costs and people from areas of the state facing the greatest economic challenges,” Kousser continued.

Using 16 years of credit history to track residential moves through the end of 2020, a UC California Policy Lab report found “no evidence of a pronounced exodus from the state” and “little evidence that wealthy Californians are leaving en masse” because of the coronavirus pandemic. The report did reveal net migration away from San Francisco during the pandemic along with a decline in the number of people moving to the state.

It also found there is no evidence that wealthy households are leaving the state in large numbers, around two-thirds of people who moved out of San Francisco remained within the 11-county Bay Area economic region, while 80% remained in California, which is consistent with trends in prior years.

Lastly, the UC-led project features analysis from Cornell University sociology professor Cristobal Young on which states are getting the most venture capital investment.

California’s share of venture capital dollars rose from one-third in 1995 to more than half throughout the 2010s. In the first quarter of 2021, the state’s share of VC funding stood at 48%, slightly below trend but consistent with normal year-to-year fluctuations.

https://www.dailynews.com/2021/07/07/no-evidence-of-a-california-exodus-uc-study-finds/

 
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9 hours ago, bhyde said:

Fox said it.

I believe it.

That settles it.

Reminds me of a slogan from back in the days when Solings were still popular. 
 

Stuart Walker said it. 
I believe it.

That settles it. 

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1 minute ago, Sol Rosenberg said:

Reminds me of a slogan from back in the days when Solings were still popular. 
 

Stuart Walker said it. 
I believe it.

That settles it. 

I recall seeing a bumper sticker that said:

God said it. I believe it. That settles it!

The epitome of narrow-mindedness IMO. The Fox Faithful seem to have a similar mindset. No need to look further than Tucker.

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8 minutes ago, bhyde said:
26 minutes ago, Sol Rosenberg said:

Reminds me of a slogan from back in the days when Solings were still popular. 
 

Stuart Walker said it. 
I believe it.

That settles it. 

I recall seeing a bumper sticker that said:

God said it. I believe it. That settles it!

The epitome of narrow-mindedness IMO. The Fox Faithful seem to have a similar mindset. No need to look further than Tucker.

We had one regular (whom I suspect was either offed by his handlers, or died of covid) who asserted several times that Cucker Tarlson is -the- most intelligent and astute political commentator in the USA.

As for Solings, they are still popular. Almost everybody loves Solings. We just don't love them enough to own/sail one.m Sort of like the way I love Chesapeake Bay Retrievers

- DSK

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57 minutes ago, bhyde said:

I recall seeing a bumper sticker that said:

God said it. I believe it. That settles it!

The epitome of narrow-mindedness IMO. The Fox Faithful seem to have a similar mindset. No need to look further than Tucker.

I admire your civility, cap.

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15 hours ago, badlatitude said:

“From housing affordability to post-pandemic recovery, California is faced with solving a daunting number of existential challenges,” UC Regent John Perez said. “Sliced and diced by geography, race, income and other demographic factors, our efforts have produced a clearer picture of who perceives California as the Golden State versus a failed state.

“The empirical data will be, at once, disappointing to those who want to write California’s obituary, as well as a call to action for policymakers to address the challenges that have caused some to lose faith in the California Dream,” he continued.

The UCLA study found the number of those moving out of California to other states has trended up since 2012, but is similar to levels last seen in the mid-2000s.

The UCLA research also shows Americans between the ages of 25-39 are moving at roughly double that of middle-age or older people. While moving into California remains elevated for younger people through 2019, the combination of some decline coupled with those moving out of state has driven down the number of younger people moving into California overall.

The number of Americans aged 60 and older moving into California has fallen since 2014, while more elderly Californians are moving out of state. The number of younger and older residents moving out of California has also trended up since 2014.

Among U.S. destinations, Texas and Washington were at the top of the list among younger people, whereas low-cost and proximate areas of Nevada and Arizona dominated destinations among older Californians.

I don't think your "study" is telling you what you think it is.  While there may not be a "panic exodus" happening, the long term trend is that more people are leaving than are coming in.  The only people really deciding to go there are the early 20s looking to become a hollywood star (thereby ensuring you will always have plenty of restaurant wait staff and baristas in LA), as well as illegal immigrants.  

 

15 hours ago, badlatitude said:

Fewer than 5% of foreign-born immigrants who arrived in the United States during the prior two years left California.

Yeah, if I were an illegal immigrant who was actively encouraged by a state to stay there and where the state gave me lots of free handouts and turned a blind eye to my illegal status..... of course I wouldn't leave.  I'd be crazy to leave the land of the enabler of illegal immigration.  

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13 minutes ago, El Mariachi said:

There is absolutely ZERO benefit to live in Kalifornia.

 

None. Whatso. Ever. It's now a 7th World Shithole and should renamed West Haiti. I wouldn't move back there if someone gave me a house on The Strand in Manhattan Beach. Just not worth it anymore..... 

As someone who sailed to the Channel Islands all the time when I lived in ventura I csn tell you that you're full of shit. As usual

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17 minutes ago, El Mariachi said:

There is absolutely ZERO benefit to live in Kalifornia.

 

None. Whatso. Ever. It's now a 7th World Shithole and should renamed West Haiti. I wouldn't move back there if someone gave me a house on The Strand in Manhattan Beach. Just not worth it anymore..... 

Thankfully, no one is offering you a free house on The Strand.

 

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18 minutes ago, El Mariachi said:

Whatever, Honey.....

One day I climbed Mt Whitney, topping out on the 14,000'+ peak at noon. By sunset I was surfing in the Pacific. 

Me thinks you didn't do California the right way. 

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Darn, I was hoping real estate prices would start to match the rest of the country.  Oh well, I guess the market speaks with greater accuracy than the pundits.

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1 hour ago, Burning Man said:

I don't think your "study" is telling you what you think it is.  While there may not be a "panic exodus" happening, the long term trend is that more people are leaving than are coming in.  The only people really deciding to go there are the early 20s looking to become a hollywood star (thereby ensuring you will always have plenty of restaurant wait staff and baristas in LA), as well as illegal immigrants.  

 

Yeah, if I were an illegal immigrant who was actively encouraged by a state to stay there and where the state gave me lots of free handouts and turned a blind eye to my illegal status..... of course I wouldn't leave.  I'd be crazy to leave the land of the enabler of illegal immigration.  

I don't think your reading skills are telling you what is on the page. The long term trend, 2020 COVID notwithstanding, is that California is an immigration+birth driven state. People are born here. People move here.

Immigration 1050K

400K domestic

200K international

450K births

Emigration 850K (thank you, Boothy!)

600K domestic

250K deaths

international?

Seriously, CA is the #5 economy in the world for a reason. For A Reason. We're the engine that drags your sorry socialist ass along for the ride. In addition to Progressivism being on the list of things I know a lot more about than you do, you can add California.

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15 minutes ago, Clove Hitch said:

One day I climbed Mt Whitney, topping out on the 14,000'+ peak at noon. By sunset I was surfing in the Pacific. 

Me thinks you didn't do California the right way. 

I have the just laugh at people that spend most of their lives living and working in Cali, building their wealth, their businesses, their standard of living, and then go move somewhere else because Cali has been so unfair to them. 

I had a friend that was working here pulling down about $200K a year and moved to Utah, making half that, because of California's restrictive gun laws. Yeah, that's a smart move when you're 35 years old.

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46 minutes ago, El Mariachi said:

There is absolutely ZERO benefit to live in Kalifornia.

 

None. Whatso. Ever. It's now a 7th World Shithole and should renamed West Haiti. I wouldn't move back there if someone gave me a house on The Strand in Manhattan Beach. Just not worth it anymore..... 

You're not coming back because there are no broken down righties in California anymore, they would just point at you and laugh. Hahahahahah.

 

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4 minutes ago, El Mariachi said:

Nobody gives a flying fuk if a place is the '5th largest economy' in the world.....when your state is uninhabitable......

Apparently 40M people and the facts disagree.

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Darn, I was hoping real estate prices would start to match the rest of the country.  Oh well, I guess the market speaks with greater accuracy than the pundits.

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6 minutes ago, Teener said:

Darn, I was hoping real estate prices would start to match the rest of the country.  Oh well, I guess the market speaks with greater accuracy than the pundits.

If you are trying to make a fortune in Real estate, start with raw land, which is finite. You will find yourself far ahead of demand.

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6 minutes ago, El Mariachi said:

That's a VERY smart move actually. 'Cuz he basically just doubled the amount of moola he can stash away for his future.

 

Wfd, friend of Bhyde.....wfd indeed....

That's some weird math, but I think his real reason for the move had very little with the money and more to do with the culture. Working in the tech industry, with all those lesbos, fags, darkies, tattooed commies, Democrats, and heathens, really didn't rub him the right way. He was much more happy shooting targets and vermin out in the middle of the desert eating Wonderbread than hobnobbing at SF MOMA or skiing Taheo. To each his own. Sometimes it ain't all about money.

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1 hour ago, El Mariachi said:

There is absolutely ZERO benefit to live in Kalifornia.

 

None. Whatso. Ever. It's now a 7th World Shithole and should renamed West Haiti. I wouldn't move back there if someone gave me a house on The Strand in Manhattan Beach. Just not worth it anymore..... 

Why do only people in Manhattan and Redondo call a boardwalk the Strand? It's a dead give away, like NoCal people saying hella.  Just wondering.

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18 minutes ago, bhyde said:

That's some weird math, but I think his real reason for the move had very little with the money and more to do with the culture. Working in the tech industry, with all those lesbos, fags, darkies, tattooed commies, Democrats, and heathens, really didn't rub him the right way. He was much more happy shooting targets and vermin out in the middle of the desert eating Wonderbread than hobnobbing at SF MOMA or skiing Taheo. To each his own. Sometimes it ain't all about money.

You forgot the most disgusting of all, college graduates.

I'm not big on the MOMA, just not, nor of the new post earthquake version of the De Young (the De Ugly looks like a service state). My favorite in San Francisco is the Palace of the Legion of Honor. Down the Penisula the Cantor at Stanford is quite good. The Hagin over in Stockton is off the charts good. I haven't been to the Crocker in Sacto or the Egyptian (no excuse) in San Jose. The Asian and the Contemporary Jewish are on the list as well.

The UC Berkeley Art Museum is meh but Blake House up in Kensington is off the beaten path and  awesome.

But face it, the Bay Area is a pale imitation of LA, museums wise.

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1 minute ago, El Mariachi said:

I'd call it 'maintaining one's sanity'....and finding the correct of balance of how much shit you're willing to deal with to make good money......vs the fuking toll it takes on a lotta folks to reach tho$e goal$. Me? I walked away from 500 to 900 dollar a day finish carpentry jobs at 60.....to live a MUCH more relaxing life in a quieter country with 50 times more freedoms than Cali has. At like 1/15th the price......and a hundred miles an hour slower. Best career move ever.....:lol:

Yeah, I totally understand. Chasing the all mighty dollar can, and in most cases will, cause great stress. Everyone has their limits, and once reached, people either become lunatics or find a way to change for the better (hopefully). Having been born and raised in California (SoCal and NorCal), and spent time in just about every other state in the Union, and a couple of countries, I still love living here. I don't deny that we have problems, some that are unimaginably complex, but California is anything but a shithole to me. Managing my expectations and living within my means have served me well here. Your experience sounds different, but I'm glad you found a place that works for you. Everyone should be so lucky.

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Judging by exploits I read, I'm probably the best old surfer on the forum. Dewey and I were acquaintances, along with Mickey and Greg, and Hap and Dale, and Hobie. I've romanced three Gidgets, a couple Moonbeams, and one Sunflower. Owned at least 6 VW busses, a half doz Woodies. San Onofre is like Waikiki with easily ridden mush. We were usually stuck with beach breaks but if we found a willing parent to drive, we'd go to Huntington or Trestles on the base or Rincon occasionally depending. I moved to HI early on to find worthy surf. 

We used to say that in california -- "Cali" is a flatlander term-- you could be in the desert, the ocean and skiing all on the same day which is still true. Now however, there are a thousand people ahead of you cruising for a parking space. Takes the cool out of it. Same in the desert. The tragedy of the Commons. 

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14 minutes ago, El Mariachi said:

It's been called the Strand for at least two & a half weeks now....:lol:

 

The first downtown building was built by Merrill around 1901, a small frame building later used for city offices. The official date of incorporation was December 2, 1912. Planks were laid in the sand on Manhattan Avenue for vehicles and along the Strand and side streets for pedestrians.

 

https://www.citymb.info/residents/about-us/history

I was dating a girl from Redondo who, of course, always called it the Strand.  I said "The Strand" one time referring to the Newport boardwalk to someone and almost got my head ripped off.  And I'm from fucking Newport!  Pussy is a dangerous drug.

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9 minutes ago, Blue Crab said:

Judging by exploits I read, I'm probably the best old surfer on the forum. Dewey and I were acquaintances, along with Mickey and Greg, and Hap and Dale, and Hobie. I've romanced three Gidgets, a couple Moonbeams, and one Sunflower. Owned at least 6 VW busses, a half doz Woodies. San Onofre is like Waikiki with easily ridden mush. We were usually stuck with beach breaks but if we found a willing parent to drive, we'd go to Huntington or Trestles on the base or Rincon occasionally depending. I moved to HI early on to find worthy surf. 

We used to say that in california -- "Cali" is a flatlander term-- you could be in the desert, the ocean and skiing all on the same day which is still true. Now however, there are a thousand people ahead of you cruising for a parking space. Takes the cool out of it. Same in the desert. The tragedy of the Commons. 

And really that's everywhere.  Try booking a 10th Mountain Division cabin in Colorado to ski into now a days.   Good fucking luck.  Oh, and let's see about getting a lottery spot for a slot canyon in Zion.  Get fucked!    Etc and so on.    But some people are not content being a burned out coke head screaming at kids to get off their lawn.  They want to stand and scream a the world for changing.    This is really the essence of Regressives like Booth/Mariachi. 

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7 minutes ago, Clove Hitch said:

And really that's everywhere.  Try booking a 10th Mountain Division cabin in Colorado to ski into now a days.   Good fucking luck.  Oh, and let's see about getting a lottery spot for a slot canyon in Zion.  Get fucked!    Etc and so on.    But some people are not content being a burned out coke head screaming at kids to get off their lawn.  They want to stand and scream a the world for changing.    This is really the essence of Regressives like Booth/Mariachi. 

I kinda resemble that remark. Fo shore.

7 minutes ago, El Mariachi said:

My Mom....introducing me to Miss Melanoma at San O, January 1957......:lol:

'57 I was wrestling against Weber's team in high school. You got here too late, Rick. All the good waves were gone by "your day."

And, ahem, we've all seen yer Mom nakid. You posted the pic.

This is lol stufff.

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2 hours ago, roundthebuoys said:

Why do only people in Manhattan and Redondo call a boardwalk the Strand? It's a dead give away, like NoCal people saying hella.  Just wondering.

They should be calling it Gaza.

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3 hours ago, El Mariachi said:

I was born & raised in Manhattan Beach, spent every weekend at San O'nofre Surf Club starting in '57, surfed every inch of coastline from Point Dume to the Tijuana Sloughs and several contests, had lunch at my Grandparents place down the street one day with John Wayne, got rides on Hobie first cat and his first motorized skate board, lived in Newport at Lido Marina in the 70's with Daddio and would jump off the dock and paddle across the channel every morning and would surf 18th St or any of the jetties, hundreds of trips to San Clemente & Catalina, my Mom used to date Dewey, managed Strand properties for a retired Pan Am pilot, made 25 skateboards in high school for my friends whilst we awaited the very first shipment of Cadillac wheels, camping out with my parents under the pier in the 60's.....etc etc etc. Trust me, I caught So Cal at it's fuking finest. But it all started going to shit in the mid 80's....and that's when I saw the writing on the wall....and got the fuk out of there. You can take that stupid fuking state and stuff it up Pelosi's ass.....I'll NEVER go back....

When I was single and in my 30's living in Cali my priorities were 1) Ocean (mostly sailing, let's face it, CA surfing is pretty weak).  2) Mountains.   3) Pussy. 

You cannot name another state that beats Cali in those categories.  Washing St. is the only other one and the ocean there is no good. Puget sound has no wind and water is 42 degrees year round. And even if you take out mountains-- because you don't ski or backpack-- what are you left with?  Ocean and Pussy.  That leaves Hawaii and Florida.  Florida surfing is worse than Cali and hurricanes complicate sailing as well as crappy bays (e.g. Tampa).  So that leaves you Hawaii. If you think Cali is fucked because of MyRiTeS!!  Hawaii is worse. 

Face it. You're just a crusty old white guy screaming at the world.  

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12 minutes ago, El Mariachi said:

To say that Cali surf is week......tells me you've never seen Cali surf when it's.....on.....:lol:

 

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Ya. Those once a year waves are neat

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1 hour ago, Clove Hitch said:

When I was single and in my 30's living in Cali my priorities were 1) Ocean (mostly sailing, let's face it, CA surfing is pretty weak).  2) Mountains.   3) Pussy. 

You cannot name another state that beats Cali in those categories.  Washing St. is the only other one and the ocean there is no good. Puget sound has no wind and water is 42 degrees year round. And even if you take out mountains-- because you don't ski or backpack-- what are you left with?  Ocean and Pussy.  That leaves Hawaii and Florida.  Florida surfing is worse than Cali and hurricanes complicate sailing as well as crappy bays (e.g. Tampa).  So that leaves you Hawaii. If you think Cali is fucked because of MyRiTeS!!  Hawaii is worse. 

Face it. You're just a crusty old white guy screaming at the world.  

WTF.  Tampa Bay is not crappy.  Very realable sea breezes in summer.  Gigantic TStorms to keep it interesting. And great winter sailing.  One design classes hold their midwinters all the time at SPYC or DIYC and it’s a circuit stop for J70’s.  
 

It’s not Biscayne bay but it beats SF with its frigid water fog cold and ridiculous tides.

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10 minutes ago, Fakenews said:

WTF.  Tampa Bay is not crappy.  Very realable sea breezes in summer.  Gigantic TStorms to keep it interesting. And great winter sailing.  One design classes hold their midwinters all the time at SPYC or DIYC and it’s a circuit stop for J70’s.  
 

It’s not Biscayne bay but it beats SF with its frigid water fog cold and ridiculous tides.

Who needs Hawaii?

 

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12 minutes ago, Fakenews said:

WTF.  Tampa Bay is not crappy.  Very realable sea breezes in summer.  Gigantic TStorms to keep it interesting. And great winter sailing.  One design classes hold their midwinters all the time at SPYC or DIYC and it’s a circuit stop for J70’s.  
 

It’s not Biscayne bay but it beats SF with its frigid water fog cold and ridiculous tides.

The biggest problem is that it's in Florida 

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1 hour ago, badlatitude said:

Who needs Hawaii?

 

Right.  Because the average Cali surfer routinely goes to surf Mavericks 

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17 minutes ago, Clove Hitch said:

Right.  Because the average Cali surfer routinely goes to surf Mavericks 

Big wave surfer's go to Maverick's, just as big wave surfer's travel to Hawaii, Portugal, Teahupoo, Tahiti, or Shipsterns, Tasmania, and many other areas of the world.

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10 hours ago, Burning Man said:

I don't think your "study" is telling you what you think it is.  While there may not be a "panic exodus" happening, the long term trend is that more people are leaving than are coming in.  The only people really deciding to go there are the early 20s looking to become a hollywood star (thereby ensuring you will always have plenty of restaurant wait staff and baristas in LA), as well as illegal immigrants.  

 

Yeah, if I were an illegal immigrant who was actively encouraged by a state to stay there and where the state gave me lots of free handouts and turned a blind eye to my illegal status..... of course I wouldn't leave.  I'd be crazy to leave the land of the enabler of illegal immigration.  

Shit, that explains why housing prices rents are falling in the Bay Area!

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1 hour ago, Raz'r said:

the land of the enabler of illegal immigration.  

Have you ever even set foot in Cali ?? 

Not counting airports. 

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29 minutes ago, AJ Oliver said:

Have you ever even set foot in Cali ?? 

Not counting airports. 

That’s Jeffreaux’s quote, not mine.

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16 hours ago, Raz'r said:

That’s Jeffreaux’s quote, not mine.

Oops, yeah, I was referring to him . . 

@Burning Man  Ever set foot in Cali - excepting airports ?? 

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2 hours ago, Blue Crab said:

Jeff's from San Francisco, IIRC

Nope.  But lived there for about 18 months up in Sacramento in the early 90s.  I really loved that area.  Did a bunch of hiking and camping up in the Sierras on the way to Tahoe - Desolation Wilderness iirc was one of my fav backpacking areas.  Did a lot of Skiing as well.  Spent a lot of time doing Yosemite before it got crowded when you could go there during a weekday and it was relatively empty.  Used to go out to Pt Reyes too and do beach stuff there.  Water was too Fing cold to swim much, but it was a romantic little picnic spot to go with the GF flavor of month/Week/whatever.  

I regret not spending more time in Sonoma or Napa Co.  But I was a young stud at the time and didn't appreciate fine wine like I do now.  SF was OK.  Hated the summers there when it was fucking FREEZING.  That's just an abomination of god.  I hadn't really discovered sailing yet by then, so I probably would have liked SF more if I had.  

I really like SD, I've spent a fair of amount of time there over the last ten years on business trips.  The main thing I hate about SD is the winds generally suck for sailing.  I just hate hate hate and despise LA with a Passion!!  It does absolutely zero for me.  That shithole could slide off into the pacific and no one would miss it.  

Overall, I really love Kali.  I do!  It would be an awesome place if not for the shitlibs and their love affair with massive taxes and regulation on every fucking thing they can tough.  The problem is all the shitlib Kalifornicators that have moved to NV has turned Vegas into Kali-Light.  They proudly proclaim how much they hated CA and the taxes and regulations and then elect politicians who raise taxes and enact a 1000 new regulations on shit here a day.  

Just saying.

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On 7/9/2021 at 11:44 PM, bhyde said:

Fox said it.

I believe it.

That settles it.

We must all accept the fact the only reliable source for information comes from the fascist state.

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5 hours ago, Burning Man said:

Nope.  But lived there for about 18 months up in Sacramento in the early 90s.  I really loved that area.  Did a bunch of hiking and camping up in the Sierras on the way to Tahoe - Desolation Wilderness iirc was one of my fav backpacking areas.  Did a lot of Skiing as well.  Spent a lot of time doing Yosemite before it got crowded when you could go there during a weekday and it was relatively empty.  Used to go out to Pt Reyes too and do beach stuff there.  Water was too Fing cold to swim much, but it was a romantic little picnic spot to go with the GF flavor of month/Week/whatever.  

I regret not spending more time in Sonoma or Napa Co.  But I was a young stud at the time and didn't appreciate fine wine like I do now.  SF was OK.  Hated the summers there when it was fucking FREEZING.  That's just an abomination of god.  I hadn't really discovered sailing yet by then, so I probably would have liked SF more if I had.  

I really like SD, I've spent a fair of amount of time there over the last ten years on business trips.  The main thing I hate about SD is the winds generally suck for sailing.  I just hate hate hate and despise LA with a Passion!!  It does absolutely zero for me.  That shithole could slide off into the pacific and no one would miss it.  

Overall, I really love Kali.  I do!  It would be an awesome place if not for the shitlibs and their love affair with massive taxes and regulation on every fucking thing they can tough.  The problem is all the shitlib Kalifornicators that have moved to NV has turned Vegas into Kali-Light.  They proudly proclaim how much they hated CA and the taxes and regulations and then elect politicians who raise taxes and enact a 1000 new regulations on shit here a day.  

Just saying.

So you get off the plane in california (only shit head fucks call it cali) and politics hit you in the face?  Stop being such a pussy.

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19 hours ago, roundthebuoys said:

So you get off the plane in california (only shit head fucks call it cali) and politics hit you in the face?  Stop being such a pussy.

Yeah, I agree.  Good thing I used the korrect spelling of it.

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On 7/10/2021 at 12:03 PM, El Mariachi said:

I'll NEVER go back...

Thank baby Jesus!  Because I can't wait to go back and stoked that the likes of you are gone for good.

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On 7/10/2021 at 12:01 PM, bhyde said:

had a friend that was working here pulling down about $200K a year and moved to Utah, making half that, because of California's restrictive gun laws. Yeah, that's a smart move when you're 35 years old.

The joke is definitely on him. We have California levels of traffic, bad air, unaffordable housing, homelessness and high taxes.  And it wasn't the Californians who brought that... there isn't a single Californian in the state legislature and only a handful of democrats. We have all of California's problems with none of the benefits.  Sure, the skiing is close but good luck getting up the canyons.  Sailing is great but it's because there are several very dedicated people who have worked to make it that way.  But anymore dry years like what we're having now there won't be any sailing or skiing.  Then we're just stuck with the low wages and crowded mountains.  But hey, at least you can walk around with a gun without a permit!  Careful though, you're going to have to take your mistress out of state for her abortion.

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13 hours ago, Swimsailor said:

Careful though, you're going to have to take your mistress out of state for her abortion.

One less shitlib? I'm okay with that. :D

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20 minutes ago, Swimsailor said:

Congressman Scott DesJarlais of Tennessee comes to mind.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scott_DesJarlais

The pro-life Christian forced his mistress to get an abortion. He was re-elected because, well, Democrats. He later said, "God has forgiven me". God was unavailable for comment.

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15 hours ago, Swimsailor said:

The joke is definitely on him. We have California levels of traffic, bad air, unaffordable housing, homelessness and high taxes.  And it wasn't the Californians who brought that... there isn't a single Californian in the state legislature and only a handful of democrats. We have all of California's problems with none of the benefits.  Sure, the skiing is close but good luck getting up the canyons.  Sailing is great but it's because there are several very dedicated people who have worked to make it that way.  But anymore dry years like what we're having now there won't be any sailing or skiing.  Then we're just stuck with the low wages and crowded mountains.  But hey, at least you can walk around with a gun without a permit!  Careful though, you're going to have to take your mistress out of state for her abortion.

I did some time there as well. Worst fucking place on the planet. Taxes are as high or maybe higher than California and the air is worse than any Eastern European industrial shit hole I have ever been. When you work in the much lower wages what the fuck do you have? Who wants to be outside in the nature that is second rate compared to California when you can't even fucking breath. The fucking Mormons are the most vacuous, shitty people I have ever met. I love the fake tits on the Mormon women though, but that's my thing. This tax thing is just like any other right wing talking point. These fucks keep mindlessly repeating it and it becomes true. The more of these cunts that leave California the better. Did I mention I fucking hate Utah?

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2 minutes ago, pusslicker said:

I did some time there as well. Worst fucking place on the planet. Taxes are as high or maybe higher than California and the air is worse than any Eastern European industrial shit hole I have ever been. When you work in the much lower wages what the fuck do you have? Who wants to be outside in the nature that is second rate compared to California when you can't even fucking breath. The fucking Mormons are the most vacuous, shitty people I have ever met. I love the fake tits on the Mormon women though, but that's my thing. This tax thing is just like any other right wing talking point. These fucks keep mindlessly repeating it and it becomes true. The more of these cunts that leave California the better. Did I mention I fucking hate Utah?

Separation of church and state?  Never heard of it...

https://www.sltrib.com/news/politics/2021/01/14/latter-day-saints-are/

 

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On 7/10/2021 at 10:36 AM, Clove Hitch said:

One day I climbed Mt Whitney, topping out on the 14,000'+ peak at noon. By sunset I was surfing in the Pacific. 

Me thinks you didn't do California the right way. 

Not saying you didn't but you just have been burning some rubber, both on your shoes coming down and you trip back to the ocean if it was in Ventura.

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18 minutes ago, Ventucky Red said:

Not saying you didn't but you just have been burning some rubber, both on your shoes coming down and you trip back to the ocean if it was in Ventura.

I climbed Mt Whitney when I was 16, and it took 13 hours round trip, even with a plane, a subsequent trip to the beach would have you surfing in the dark. You can climb Mt Baldy in SoCal in under eight hours, but you would be too tired to go to the beach afterwards, it is a hard climb and steep in spots. I think he would be better off going to Mt High for skiing, then hit the beach that would be easy to do. 

 

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1 hour ago, badlatitude said:

I climbed Mt Whitney when I was 16, and it took 13 hours round trip, even with a plane, a subsequent trip to the beach would have you surfing in the dark. You can climb Mt Baldy in SoCal in under eight hours, but you would be too tired to go to the beach afterwards, it is a hard climb and steep in spots. I think he would be better off going to Mt High for skiing, then hit the beach that would be easy to do. 

 

Flew down the Owens Valley once in February to see the eastern Sierras on a trip back from Reno..  If I remember correctly it is about 2 - 2.5 hours from Lone Pine to Oxnard... but one very bumpy ride.. then you have the MOA's to deal with...  fun stuff.. 

 

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2 hours ago, pusslicker said:

Did I mention I fucking hate Utah?

I almost bought a vacay cabin in Duck Creek last weekend as an rental investment. Beautiful area!  Air as clean as can be. 74 F when it was fucking 117 in Vegas. 

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10 minutes ago, Ventucky Red said:

Flew down the Owens Valley once in February to see the eastern Sierras on a trip back from Reno..  If I remember correctly it is about 2 - 2.5 hours from Lone Pine to Oxnard... but one very bumpy ride.. then you have the MOA's to deal with...  fun stuff.. 

 

It's 240 miles if you made it in 2.5 hours you were driving a Bugatti.  Duh

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1 minute ago, badlatitude said:

It's 240 miles if you made it in 2.5 hours you were driving a Bugatti.

He was flying an airplane, ya dumbschidt!  Talk about inability to read. YCMTSU

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2 minutes ago, Ventucky Red said:

No, a Piper Dakota.... 

 

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Nice. I’m more of an ARROW fan myself. 

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1 hour ago, badlatitude said:

I climbed Mt Whitney when I was 16, and it took 13 hours round trip, even with a plane, a subsequent trip to the beach would have you surfing in the dark. You can climb Mt Baldy in SoCal in under eight hours, but you would be too tired to go to the beach afterwards, it is a hard climb and steep in spots. I think he would be better off going to Mt High for skiing, then hit the beach that would be easy to do. 

If he did Mt Whitney in two days, overnighting at Trail Camp at 12,000 feet and leaving the packs there in the morning, after summiting in the morning, then it's another 11 miles downhill. Yeah, sure it could be done. I just think this is a two day thing because driving to the trailhead from somewhere is adding hours as well. But if someone absolutely wanted this on the teenage bucket list, sure, a young stud could do all this in a day.

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4 minutes ago, Olsonist said:

If he did Mt Whitney in two days, overnighting at Trail Camp at 12,000 feet and leaving the packs there in the morning, after summiting in the morning, then it's another 11 miles downhill. Yeah, sure it could be done. I just think this is a two day thing because driving to the trailhead from somewhere is adding hours as well. But if someone absolutely wanted this on the teenage bucket list, sure, a young stud could do all this in a day.

I think Mt Whitney could be climbed pretty fast but you have to be in really good shape. The trail is 20 miles and the elevation gain is almost 7,000ft. I don't care who you are that is a tough workout on the legs. It's doable for a teenager, but you might find him sleeping on the beach.

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The data to compare cost of living + property tax rate + sales tax rate + social security + cost of health care + whatever at a county level is available. This woman went a bit loopy on the problem and as a consequence is starting a startup with her tools. It's still in development but it looks promising.

https://dirtydatagirl.moogle.cc/rf7put/i-might-have-gone-a-little-bit-overboard

https://www.willowfinch.com/

I think her conclusion was that it's better for everyone involved if Boothy lights out for the United Mexican States. Lie low and he probably won't get extradited.

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2 minutes ago, Olsonist said:

The data to compare cost of living + property tax rate + sales tax rate + social security + cost of health care + whatever at a county level is available. This woman went a bit loopy on the problem and as a consequence is starting a startup with her tools. It's still in development but it looks promising.

https://dirtydatagirl.moogle.cc/rf7put/i-might-have-gone-a-little-bit-overboard

https://www.willowfinch.com/

I think her conclusion was that it's better for everyone involved if Boothy lights out for the United Mexican States. Lie low and he probably won't get extradited.

Fukitty. 

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2 hours ago, badlatitude said:

I climbed Mt Whitney when I was 16, and it took 13 hours round trip, even with a plane, a subsequent trip to the beach would have you surfing in the dark. You can climb Mt Baldy in SoCal in under eight hours, but you would be too tired to go to the beach afterwards, it is a hard climb and steep in spots. I think he would be better off going to Mt High for skiing, then hit the beach that would be easy to do. 

 

That was a very common bucket list item in highschool and after, ski Big Bear in the morning, surf 36th St or sail beer cans in the afternoon.  

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31 minutes ago, badlatitude said:

I think Mt Whitney could be climbed pretty fast but you have to be in really good shape. The trail is 20 miles and the elevation gain is almost 7,000ft. I don't care who you are that is a tough workout on the legs. It's doable for a teenager, but you might find him sleeping on the beach.

Do the Mountaineers route. Not that boring ass switch back death march

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1 hour ago, roundthebuoys said:

That was a very common bucket list item in highschool and after, ski Big Bear in the morning, surf 36th St or sail beer cans in the afternoon.  

Yep

Edit to add: I only did that once that I can remember, and it was very hard to leave if it was a good day skiing.

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