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2 hours ago, wildbirdtoo said:

They seem to have put afterburners on- he hasn't dropped much below 18knots for the last hour.  1-2knots faster than Charal. Amazing!

Watched them shortly after the start.  They were directly behind HB and abeam to weather of Charal.  They put the bow down 10 degrees and started going 5 knots faster.  Within a few minutes they were well ahead to leeward of HB and many boat lengths directly in front of Charal.  It was very clearly a different mode.  

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A few snapped from hurst

A small sample of the many hundreds of photos I took today from the Hurst Castle vantage point. Skorpios, Hugo Boss, Apivia, 11th Hour Racing etc. I will add more tomorrow when I have time t

If I was involved with a boat where checking the keel bolts that often was considered necessary in a lumpy sea I would not be doing the Fastnet on it.

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58 minutes ago, SteveJH said:

And now 23 retired, 6.9%. This is silly.

Bit of an over reaction.  This is the Fastnet Race, not a pillow fight.

The toughest conditions in this race are often in the first 10 miles.  20-30kts of breeze and wind over tide is going to test most well prepared boats.

Saddest news is the retirement of Maitre Coq due to collision with a non competitor. 

No doubt there is quite a bit of gear failure on the more Corinthian entries. 

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7 minutes ago, TPG said:

 Looks like a whole bunch more gonna retire and head to France.

Not too surprising really.   Crappy conditions at best for the smaller boats.  Good to Oystercatcher XXXV showing well in IRC Z at the moment.

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A small sample of the many hundreds of photos I took today from the Hurst Castle vantage point.

Skorpios, Hugo Boss, Apivia, 11th Hour Racing etc.

I will add more tomorrow when I have time to edit - the Ultims etc. Enjoy the boat porn....   ;-)

 Linky here :-    Fastnet 2021

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18 minutes ago, shanghaisailor said:

:D You think? You are joking about Franck hogging the helm?

Not quite, methinks. It's indeed the little one on the helm in nearly all pictures and video's, and the bigger one on the foredeck or checking the rudder. Makes sense though, and Franck used to be Charles' skipper after all...

 

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- Alex’s heart rate peaked around the race start at 161 bpm 
 - HUGO BOSS is heeled over at 35 degrees, as they beat upwind
 - Wave heights are currently reaching 3.5m

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10 hours ago, yl75 said:

HB not impressive ..

Yeah doesn't like upwind sailing. And I think he sails the wrong angles compared to Apivia for example. If he gets beaten by 11th hour racing it will confirm my theory that his last boat was his best. 11th Hour in the Imoca Lead as we speak but Apivia has picked a good angle and is going 5 knots quicker so not for long IMO.. Hugo Boss is being smoked by Varuna (Ker56) and Oyster Catcher IRC52. 

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1 minute ago, terrafirma said:

Yeah doesn't like upwind sailing. And I think he sails the wrong angles compared to Apivia for example. If he gets beaten by 11th hour racing it will confirm my theory that his last boat was his best. 11th Hour in the Imoca Lead as we speak but Apivia has picked a good angle and is going 5 knots quicker so not for long IMO

Agree.  He but he was sailing it way too high.  It was starkly apparent when Apivia went by.  They were sailing at least 5 degrees lower but were massively faster.  Apivia blasted through to leeward and HB never saw them again…

Not sure I’d call that the boat’s fault.  But he needs to develop better polars.

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10 hours ago, staysail said:

Gitana just tacked to go between Guernsey and Alderney!

Not surprised……The big really fast boats can get across, take advantage of the stronger current (and better angles) on the French side and still get back out into the middle of the Channel again (where there is less current than either side) before the tide turns…

Switch on tidal currents on the tracker and you can see why a lot of fast French boats went way over. Less wave fetch as well in the corner….. Apivia still has favourable tide, 11th hour on the English side already has tide against.

Tracker and standings are all over the place (Maserati!)….Saw Rambler doing 86 knots VMG a little earlier….

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Gitana's fine now at 17kts. If you look at the HTML leader board off the website, because, say, you refuse to put the YB app on your phone, you see that the update times are all over the place, albeit frequent, so there may be some interpolation problems or something. That is also perhaps why someone saw Rambler doing 86kts earlier. You'd think they'd get some sort of average speed over some shortish time period from the boats but perhaps it's not that good. On the plus side, Gitana has moved from 4th to 2nd on Line Honours as they seem to have expurgated the earlier three DNFs but now the Archambault 31 Tagan IV in the lead.  Seriously though, we, at least I, who knows nothing of large scale European yacht race tracking, probably shouldn't heckle them too badly. The other Geoville tracked races that tend to get discussed here have far fewer entries with more pro boats and crews, so this may be the best and most cost effective way to track the whole fleet in this giant race.

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Apivia is running down Skorpios upwind..! Does Apivia have new foils.? Seems to be way faster than all the other Imoca's. It's ahead of Rambler now and if it keeps going at these speeds it could shock all the Mono's for it's length. When she gets to ease sheets and foil she could stretch even further. 

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52 retired as of 5:15 GMT:

Addictive Sailing

Arethusa

Aries

Bellino

Chosi 6

Cracklin Rosie

Croatia Full of Life

Dawn Treader

Earwen

Finnish Line

Firestorm

Flying Jackal

Guyader Mext

Hope

Incisor

Intemperance

Intention

Ithaka

Itma

J-blue

Jagerbomb

Jazzy Jellyfish

Jumunu

Just So

Kazami

Kimanche Eve II

Knight's Challenge

L'Ange De Milon

Lancelot II

Longbow Of Itchen

Maitre Coq

Miss J

Moana

Mojo

Monaqua

Moon Palace

Njord

No Limit

Nutmeg Solidaire En Peloton

Objectif Lune

Olympia's Tigress

People

Pintia

Rum N Cork II

Saint Yves Services

Scream 2

Sea Bear

Serena J

Stormwave 2.0

Telefonica Black

Thunder 2

Van Uden

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5 hours ago, stinky said:

What's going on with yellow brick recently? The Transpac tracking was a mess, and now the whole Fastnet fleet is going 0.1 or 0.0 knots in strange directions.

YB in my view is just the worst.:

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Yeah Whoopsie. But thanks for the 2007 retro UX nostalgia feeling.

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Interesting moves by Rambler going North of the Lands End TSS...

Happy to see that my prediction of Skorpios bailing before Lands End was incorrect, the big thing is still rumbling to windward

Apivia is having an absolute stormer, seriously impressive lead over the rest of the 60s. Good to see Paprec hanging with Charal too.

 

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25 minutes ago, NZK said:

Interesting moves by Rambler going North of the Lands End TSS...

Happy to see that my prediction of Skorpios bailing before Lands End was incorrect, the big thing is still rumbling to windward

Apivia is having an absolute stormer, seriously impressive lead over the rest of the 60s. Good to see Paprec hanging with Charal too.

 

Agreed, huge tactical play by Rambler. Time will tell who got it right!

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6 minutes ago, vokstar said:

No excusing the lack of bandwidth either.. the tracker is a nightmare to load. 

I haven't had a single issue, but I am using the app. Not sure if that makes any difference.

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16 minutes ago, Foiling Optimist said:

I'm using a desktop and it's fine too. Updating seems a bit spotty but you can reload and it updates. 

Glad it's not a pain for others, using the desktop version as not sure it's worth putting the app on for just this race. 

But back to the action.. looks like Edmond de Rothschild is soon to make the turn 

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1 hour ago, NZK said:

Interesting moves by Rambler going North of the Lands End TSS...

Happy to see that my prediction of Skorpios bailing before Lands End was incorrect, the big thing is still rumbling to windward

Apivia is having an absolute stormer, seriously impressive lead over the rest of the 60s. Good to see Paprec hanging with Charal too.

 

Apivia is stalking Skorpios. Amazing stuff by Apivia who either has new foils or has a new mode the others don't? Yeah Rambler is not going as fast up there but I'm tipping Butterworth said no use following a 125 Footer around the course.! So they maybe taking a gamble with the hope it will pay off. They are behind Apivia who is going faster than them by quite a bit too. Apivia will need pressure to hang on Skorpios so if it goes light I expect the big beast to extend. Great to see Skorpios still on the track as you said they could have easily been an early retirement...

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From the YB tracker, it seems Edmond de Rothschild got around the Fastnet rock at 08:03.

That's just short of 21 hours. She seems to be picking up speed going past the TSS.

Wonder if she'll make it home to Cherbourg before sunset?

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1 hour ago, NZK said:

Interesting moves by Rambler going North of the Lands End TSS...

Not sure what she hoped to gain by being so far to leeward of the rest of the fleet.  I realise leverage is good but the wind predictions do not show advantages in her position.

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14 minutes ago, Rainbow Spirit said:

Apivia is match racing a boat twice her length (Skorpios). and has left the other Imocas in her wake, have they finally found a way to make a foiling Imoca sail fast upwind?

Apivia is foiling a lot of the time and she is now only 3 miles astern of the Beast. She seems to be around a knot or 2 faster every now and then. The other Imoca's are way back Hugo Boss will be 100 miles behind within the next couple of hours.

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7 minutes ago, terrafirma said:

Apivia is foiling a lot of the time and she is now only 3 miles astern of the Beast. She seems to be around a knot or 2 faster every now and then. The other Imoca's are way back Hugo Boss will be 100 miles behind within the next couple of hours.

Always did love Apivia. Just looks the business, but this performance so far is just incredible.

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2 minutes ago, staysail said:

Always did love Apivia. Just looks the business, but this performance so far is just incredible.

She's doing 18.5 Knots vs 14.9 for Skorpios..! We may have an Imoca win line honors in this race for the 1st time..?

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55 minutes ago, trt131 said:

Not sure what she hoped to gain by being so far to leeward of the rest of the fleet.  I realise leverage is good but the wind predictions do not show advantages in her position.

Yeah I agree, the wind doesn't veer until after I would expect them to reach the rock so they'll be sailing tighter angles than Skorpios but the tracker now shows a lot of boats doing the same dive down to leeward/North of this zone. I guess the slightly higher angle of fetch to the rock beats extra miles flogging to windward? So far all of the rest of IRC0 are lining up to slot in North like Rambler did plus some IMOCAs so this could be the only routing split we see for the race.

 

16 minutes ago, staysail said:

Always did love Apivia. Just looks the business, but this performance so far is just incredible.

Watching her at the start when they footed off and just blew past HB to leeward was pretty awesome and they just haven't stopped since then. I think Charlie may feel the need to stamp his authority on the fleet after having the overall win snatched away in the Vendee (not saying it wasn't justified, but it must have hurt to be first home but not first)

The boys on Allegra are having a good one so far in MOCRA, just taken the virtual lead back from Argo. 

Gitana is just fucking sending it, 50nm ahead of Sodebo 

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17 minutes ago, aussieinlondon said:

i thought these conditions would have put skorpios much further in the lead ? 

Brand new boat, it's impressive they've made it this far considering how little time they've had sailing since launch especially in big conditions like this. They won't be pushing at 100% but Rambler will...

 

WTF is happening with HB? They're having a shocker.... Sam Davies on Initiatives Coeur and 11th Hour are both putting solid runs together so far, they've dipped down North of the TSS away from Arkea and Charal so we'll see how that split plays out. 

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29 minutes ago, aussieinlondon said:

i thought these conditions would have put skorpios much further in the lead ? 

Not leading anymore!

They were match racing Apivia for a little while, but... (check the tracker).

Amazing feat by Apivia, and really hope they can keep the lead, Charlie and team deserve this one.

And what are all the celebrity pro's on Skorpios thinking right now? 

 

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11 minutes ago, aussieinlondon said:

i thought these conditions would have put skorpios much further in the lead ? 

By this point: an actual owner's quote, I presume ;) 

 

Kidding aside: that's the first outing of a very complex machine and the race is not even 24 hours old.

Still, we've seen similar things with Leopard (anyone remembers that one?) and Comanche, where scaling up the size did not correlate automatically with speed and line honours. 

I suspect it might be a game to win for the smaller yachts in the overall this year, with the larger boats getting parked in the Baie de Seine in <10kts off Scilly tomorrow and the Channel Islands on Wednesday, while the smaller yacht have a bit more breeze later in the race.

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3 minutes ago, aussieinlondon said:

foils have changed the game 

why would you build a new yacht without foils ? 

 

What do you mean? Skorpios has got foils!

But they are C-foils (like HB, uhm...), and are they using them, or otherwise why not?

Ask JK perhaps...

 

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3 minutes ago, Matagi said:

By this point: an actual owner's quote, I presume ;) 

Good one, he might be sueing the bloody lot already...

Not fair, I know, he's got to be a good oligarch for having the desire to own such a fine sailing yacht!

 

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skorpios owner is a very experienced and successful racer .. i would be surprised he would be nursing the yacht unless there are some issues (which  will probably be the excuse for non performance) but for a 125 ft to be going slower than a 70 ft says something 

maybe you just cant compare the yachts 

skorpios vs commanche would have been very interesting 

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3 minutes ago, vokstar said:

I wonder if the owner of Skorpios is on board.. would it be an embarrassing conversation with the skipper to explain to the owner about the boat that is heading the other way back to the finish

not really unless the conversation was we should have built a multi hull 

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4 minutes ago, aussieinlondon said:

not really unless the conversation was we should have built a multi hull 

If your raison d'être is to build something is to break records and there is a mod 70 in front of you comfortably, and a 60 foot monohull yacht is behind you by not that much (yes I know it's early in skorpios life and they will tweak it and what not and get faster) that conversation should've been about building a multihull me thunks.  

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Not to diverge too much, but: is it possible that the loads increase so much exponentially above, say 20kts, that you have to depower so much that all your scaling advantages are lost or even inversed? A point where you become a 125ft / 60ton boat with a much worse SA/D than Rambler?

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32 minutes ago, Fiji Bitter said:

And what are all the celebrity pro's on Skorpios thinking right now? 

Not really sure where you're going with this? It's putting in a solid performance for a brand new boat and is probably the most comfortable ride out there (except perhaps when Allegra flattens out and gets the coffee machine fired up.... ) They're all getting a paycheck to hang out out with their mates on a fucking huge race boat...

 

8 minutes ago, aussieinlondon said:

skorpios owner is a very experienced and successful racer .. i would be surprised he would be nursing the yacht unless there are some issues (which  will probably be the excuse for non performance)

it's brand new and one of the most complex yachts currently on the water, just because the owner has done a bit of Club 50 racing doesn't change the fact that the boat is only just out of it's first sea trialling sessions and is most likely being sailed inside its max loads. 

10 minutes ago, aussieinlondon said:

but for a 125 ft to be going slower than a 70 ft says something 

maybe you just cant compare the yachts 

If you were trying to compare Skorpios to a new generation IMOCA 60 then you are correct, you can't compare them. And Skorpios is still ahead of Apivia....

Don't get me wrong, Skorpios is ridiculous and so far everything points to the c-foil being a lemon but for it's first outing in a 25 knot windward Fastnet it's a long way from embarrassing itself just yet. Apivia is having an absolute stormer, compared to the other IMIOCAs the gap between them and Skorpios is more of what was expected

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6 minutes ago, NZK said:
57 minutes ago, Fiji Bitter said:

And what are all the celebrity pro's on Skorpios thinking right now? 

Not really sure where you're going with this? It's putting in a solid performance for a brand new boat and is probably the most comfortable ride out there (except perhaps when Allegra flattens out and gets the coffee machine fired up.... ) They're all getting a paycheck to hang out out with their mates on a fucking huge race boat...

Yes, I know all that, how do you think I've been able to retire rather young on a nice one-off?

But maybe if you refresh the tracker, you will see what I mean.

It's simply embarrassing, whatever spin you give to it. And those pro's are still very competitive, they don't like this at all!

 

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17 minutes ago, Fiji Bitter said:

Yes, I know all that, how do you think I've been able to retire rather young on a nice one-off?

But maybe if you refresh the tracker, you will see what I mean.

It's simply embarrassing, whatever spin you give to it. And those pro's are still very competitive, they don't like this at all!

 

Not sure what all the fuss is about.? 

 

59 minutes ago, vokstar said:

I wonder if the owner of Skorpios is on board.. would it be an embarrassing conversation with the skipper to explain to the owner about the boat that is heading the other way back to the finish

Are you serious..? Are you referring to Rothchilds heading to the finish.? Please tell me your not that dumb.!

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Gitana with 90 miles on Actual and Sodebo. If there was any argument about which of the ultims was best in heavy weather, that argument is over.

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Apivia making a move to get over the top of Skorpios. Foiling conditions at times and Apivia has the best boat in the business for flying. Charal and Arkea doing really well also moving up flying on foils. 

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14 minutes ago, terrafirma said:

Apivia making a move to get over the top of Skorpios. Foiling conditions at times and Apivia has the best boat in the business for flying. Charal and Arkea doing really well also moving up flying on foils. 

When they bang the corner is going to be telling. The IMOCAs are insanely quick.

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A fact people forget is you can’t rate a latest gen Imoca under irc because the foils are too large. If irc could somehow churn out a rating for Apivia it would probably not be far off the CS125s anyway. Fact is if the owner wanted an Imoca he’d buy an Imoca but the yccs wouldn’t let you race in the maxi worlds with one and to some people that probably bothers them. Let’s not even get started on comfort levels between the two…

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33 minutes ago, JL92S said:

 Fact is if the owner wanted an Imoca he’d buy an Imoca but the yccs wouldn’t let you race in the maxi worlds with one and to some people that probably bothers them. 

Where did you get that from?

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2 minutes ago, staysail said:

Edmond de Rothschild looks pretty comfortable to me. Only another 5 hours and a relaxing beer!

Must be 'frustrating' for some on those older Volvo 70's. Not even at Land's End and you can see Gitana already returning

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Multihulls can't sail to weather !

This race is becoming a beatdown of Chuck Norris proportions.

Only four boats had to beat to the Fastnet rock; 3 Ultims: Edmond de Rothschild, Sodebo, Actual and the Mod70 Argo.

All the other boats are STILL on a fetch. Rambler88 figured it out first to head north of the TSS.

This morning at 08:30 UTC, I pondered the question if Edmond de Rothschild, currently sitting on 35 knots, could finish before sunset.

It's gonna be close, but all of you owe me a beer.

 

ps hell of a race for Apivia !

 

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looks like the MOD70 design really hits the ocean racing sweet spot. Great design.

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Looks like Project Rescue Ocean/Axel Trehin (Class 40) has dropped their rig. Pics show the rig mostly intact, like the forestay broke and it fell back. Small benefit of a deck stepped rig May be an image of outdoors

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