Monkey 2,365 Posted August 9, 2021 Share Posted August 9, 2021 7 minutes ago, Thisnametaken said: Are Alex/Hugo Boss even relevant anymore. I would have thought, given their time in the shed and long lay off after Vendee, that she would be making a better showing, but I must not be up on the latest. Alex and the HB team have always been open about saying the boat was never designed with any fucks given towards non Vendee conditions. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jimmyuk81 63 Posted August 9, 2021 Share Posted August 9, 2021 11 minutes ago, Thisnametaken said: Are Alex/Hugo Boss even relevant anymore. I would have thought, given their time in the shed and long lay off after Vendee, that she would be making a better showing, but I must not be up on the latest. There was a lot of talk in the most recent Vendee thread about how the latest HB was a pretty extreme design optimised for southern ocean reaching and downwind conditions. I don’t think any amount of shed time would turn the boat into a strong upwind performer… That said, HB’s performance is being made to look very ordinary by Apivia in particular but also the whole IMOCA fleet tbh. I’d also expected them to be doing a bit better than they are, even if the conditions aren’t ideal for the boat. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Thisnametaken 9 Posted August 9, 2021 Share Posted August 9, 2021 10 minutes ago, Monkey said: Alex and the HB team have always been open about saying the boat was never designed with any fucks given towards non Vendee conditions. Fair enough, but the only fucks they gave sure didn't work out so well, so someone should be asking for their money back... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
TPG 229 Posted August 9, 2021 Share Posted August 9, 2021 Just now, Thisnametaken said: Fair enough, but the only fucks they gave sure didn't work out so well, so someone should be asking for their money back... Or maybe give some fucks, maybe one or two. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Matagi 1,445 Posted August 9, 2021 Share Posted August 9, 2021 Reminds me of a rushhour traffic jam while the opposite lane is free. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
TPG 229 Posted August 9, 2021 Share Posted August 9, 2021 Apivia just banged the corner and is doing 24+ knots. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Foiling Optimist 360 Posted August 9, 2021 Share Posted August 9, 2021 Can someone knowledgeable mariner explain why the bulk of the fleet has been hugging the Cornish coast so closely? Does it have tide advantages? Or is the wind high enough that it's easier in there? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
JL92S 426 Posted August 9, 2021 Share Posted August 9, 2021 11 minutes ago, Foiling Optimist said: Can someone knowledgeable mariner explain why the bulk of the fleet has been hugging the Cornish coast so closely? Does it have tide advantages? Or is the wind high enough that it's easier in there? There are tide gates along the south coast, if you’re against the tide it can pay to hug the coast line to escape it whilst having positive tide means you want to pick up the strongest current nearer by. A lot of the time there are wind shifts that can be played to good advantage as well. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Buzzer 0 Posted August 9, 2021 Share Posted August 9, 2021 1 hour ago, Monkey said: Alex and the HB team have always been open about saying the boat was never designed with any fucks given towards non Vendee conditions. The evidence suggests it's not very quick in Vendee conditions either. Think Thompson needs a rethink. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
TPG 229 Posted August 9, 2021 Share Posted August 9, 2021 Teasing Machine feeling like Jaws is coming for it right now with Gitana closing at mid 20s. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jimmyuk81 63 Posted August 9, 2021 Share Posted August 9, 2021 3 minutes ago, Buzzer said: The evidence suggests it's not very quick in Vendee conditions either. Think Thompson needs a rethink. I dunno about that, before HB had the damage Alex was solidly in the top 3 sailing at comparable pace to Apivia & LinkedOut. And if the boat performed as it was meant to in the southern ocean, he could well have taken a lead - but of course that’s total speculation Anyway getting a bit off topic for the Fastnet thread - I see Gitana will finish in the next few minutes!! Damn that thing is quick. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Foiling Optimist 360 Posted August 9, 2021 Share Posted August 9, 2021 With the 20:15 update Gitana is 3.1nm from home and going 22kts. Looks like sunset is at 20:34BST so they'll get there. Fantastic. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Laser1 688 Posted August 9, 2021 Share Posted August 9, 2021 And the old Sodebo is blowing past the new Sodebo. Imagine the conversation on board that one Actual is old Sodebo IIRC. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
TPG 229 Posted August 9, 2021 Share Posted August 9, 2021 Just now, Laser1 said: And the old Sodebo is blowing past the new Sodebo. Imagine the conversation on board that one Actual is old Sodebo IIRC. Actual is Macif100 4 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Chasm 620 Posted August 9, 2021 Share Posted August 9, 2021 Gitana should arrive any moment. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Foiling Optimist 360 Posted August 9, 2021 Share Posted August 9, 2021 Isn't old Sodebo, ex Actual Leader, now Ultim Emotion 2? Anyway, Actual, ex Macif, is ahead of Sodebo but recall it was right with Gitana in the last Fastnet. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Laser1 688 Posted August 9, 2021 Share Posted August 9, 2021 7 minutes ago, TPG said: Actual is Macif100 Copy that. Thx. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Chasm 620 Posted August 9, 2021 Share Posted August 9, 2021 And done in 1d 9h 14m 58s accoding to the tracker. Aptivia and Skorpius are the only monohull that made the turn at this time. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Hitchhiker 1,153 Posted August 9, 2021 Share Posted August 9, 2021 Looks like Skorpios is beginning to find some pace now. I wonder how many channels are being run on the strip charts for data logging? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Alex W 342 Posted August 9, 2021 Share Posted August 9, 2021 On 8/8/2021 at 10:48 AM, Zonker said: A friend of mine, Brad Baker, who lives in Seattle, has been fighting a brain cancer for several years. He's sailing there this year. Go Brad! The boat (Beneteau First 40) that he's on just pulled out of the race due to a leaking keelbolt. Ugh! http://sailish.com/index.php/2021/08/09/jazz-paused-by-leaking-keelbolt-in-fastnet/?fbclid=IwAR3xhB1C8up2fSpiIhZNeci_dFC-ymy_X2k_MtBXGvHCF4vjFkK1KewoJDQ Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jackolantern 596 Posted August 9, 2021 Share Posted August 9, 2021 After the First 40 Cheeky Rafiki incident they should be glad they’re not leaking from all of their keelboats…. those charter boats are not safe imho 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Thisnametaken 9 Posted August 9, 2021 Share Posted August 9, 2021 Either Rambler got to the rock and decided to turn around or the tracker is doing some funky shit a-la what we saw during transpac Quote Link to post Share on other sites
dolphinmaster 162 Posted August 9, 2021 Share Posted August 9, 2021 8 minutes ago, Thisnametaken said: Either Rambler got to the rock and decided to turn around or the tracker is doing some funky shit a-la what we saw during transpac Look with more magnification and see their track, they are headed east immediately after rounding. ie, take the lumps immediately to head to more breeze and a better angle. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Thisnametaken 9 Posted August 9, 2021 Share Posted August 9, 2021 3 minutes ago, dolphinmaster said: Look with more magnification and see their track, they are headed east immediately after rounding. ie, take the lumps immediately to head to more breeze and a better angle. Copy that Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Face 32 Posted August 9, 2021 Share Posted August 9, 2021 Looking at the ais track, Rambler did not leave Fastnet TSS to port after the Rock….. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Face 32 Posted August 9, 2021 Share Posted August 9, 2021 2 minutes ago, Face said: Looking at the ais track, Rambler did not leave Fastnet TSS to port after the Rock….. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ulysses 0 Posted August 9, 2021 Share Posted August 9, 2021 1 hour ago, Chasm said: Gitana should arrive any moment. See any video, audio, photos ...? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
JL92S 426 Posted August 9, 2021 Share Posted August 9, 2021 As of right now Juan K occupies the top 3 IRC overall positions. I know that probably won’t last long, just thought it was slightly amusing and he’s probably loving it Quote Link to post Share on other sites
fergusjack 7 Posted August 9, 2021 Share Posted August 9, 2021 Rambler going the wrong way according to my interpretation of the SI’s 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Afrayedknot 56 Posted August 9, 2021 Share Posted August 9, 2021 27 minutes ago, fergusjack said: Rambler going the wrong way according to my interpretation of the SI’s Yeah I was gonna say the same thing. Has to leave the fastnet TSS to port while going to the rock and leave it to port while returning from the rock. Really unbelievable at that level. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Thisnametaken 9 Posted August 9, 2021 Share Posted August 9, 2021 15 minutes ago, Afrayedknot said: Yeah I was gonna say the same thing. Has to leave the fastnet TSS to port while going to the rock and leave it to port while returning from the rock. Really unbelievable at that level. Who's the naviguesser on Rambler? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
10thTonner 472 Posted August 9, 2021 Share Posted August 9, 2021 8 hours ago, Horn Rock said: What makes Edmond de Rothschild so much quicker than Sodebo? No Sodeboo food for the crew. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Happy Sailor 1 Posted August 9, 2021 Share Posted August 9, 2021 https://www.livesaildie.com/maxi-edmond-de-rothschild-establishes-new-rolex-fastnet-race-record/ Can you imagine sailing 695 miles in about a day!? Unbelievable boats. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Soton_Speed 11 Posted August 9, 2021 Share Posted August 9, 2021 13 minutes ago, 10thTonner said: No Sodeboo food for the crew. Is 'Soup Nazi' now a crew position?.... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
10thTonner 472 Posted August 9, 2021 Share Posted August 9, 2021 15 minutes ago, Soton_Speed said: Is 'Soup Nazi' now a crew position?.... https://youtu.be/5hLgH6kLhNg 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Fintho 67 Posted August 9, 2021 Share Posted August 9, 2021 56 minutes ago, Thisnametaken said: Who's the naviguesser on Rambler? Brad Butterworth is their tactician, not sure on navigator, pretty hilarious mistake to make if its deemed they did Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Dacron 20 Posted August 9, 2021 Share Posted August 9, 2021 1 hour ago, Thisnametaken said: Who's the naviguesser on Rambler? Edited to protect the innocent 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Hitchhiker 1,153 Posted August 9, 2021 Share Posted August 9, 2021 13 minutes ago, Fintho said: Brad Butterworth is their tactician, not sure on navigator, pretty hilarious mistake to make if its deemed they did There’s got to be a lot of big brain power in the after guard to fuck up at that level. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Fiji Bitter 1,971 Posted August 9, 2021 Share Posted August 9, 2021 33 minutes ago, Dacron said: Jules Salter As a lawyer he should be able to read (and write), imnotsoho. BTW, where is Wouter navigating on? PS. Fuck, did they also cross the DSS (and left the rock to stbd)? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Sidecar 1,303 Posted August 9, 2021 Share Posted August 9, 2021 (edited) Must have short memories too….. Since when has rounding Fastnet Rock ever been anything else other than rounding to port? Interesting split between Sodebo and Actual…. Edited August 10, 2021 by Sidecar Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Reference 117 Posted August 10, 2021 Share Posted August 10, 2021 51 minutes ago, Hitchhiker said: There’s got to be a lot of big brain power in the after guard to fuck up at that level. Ais pings from a satellite though, at what update frequency? 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Your Mom 1,087 Posted August 10, 2021 Share Posted August 10, 2021 44 minutes ago, Sidecar said: Must have short memories too….. Since when has rounding Fastnet Rock ever been anything else other than rounding to port? I may be wrong, but I think they rounded the rock to port and then turned aggressively to pass between the rock and the TSS. I'm not defending going to the wrong side of the TSS if the other side was mandatory... Just saying I don't think they went the wrong way around the rock... 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Thisnametaken 9 Posted August 10, 2021 Share Posted August 10, 2021 3 minutes ago, Your Mom said: I may be wrong, but I think they rounded the rock to port and then turned aggressively to pass between the rock and the TSS. I'm not defending going to the wrong side of the TSS if the other side was mandatory... Just saying I don't think they went the wrong way around the rock... Which begs the question: have prior iterations of the race instructions also designated a TSS and, if so, was it to be left to port? It's one thing to not completely understand the race instructions - inexcusable at this level - but most of these guys have done this before. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Sidecar 1,303 Posted August 10, 2021 Share Posted August 10, 2021 (edited) They have had TSS’s for a while now. None of the other TSS’s seem to have a required rounding side, as evidenced by many other yacht tracks, so I wouldn’t expect the Fastnet TSS to have a required side either, but I then haven’t read the SI’s…. Sodebo and Actual are interesting. Which ever way the tide is running, Actual is in more current. Not uncommon to see 5-6 knots at the top end of Sark….I don’t trust the tracker, the currents displayed in the central channel seems to be on permanent ebb, although the tracks and speeds of Maître Coq and Obportus IV would suggest that it is ebbing…. Looks like max ebb current pretty soon. Low water St Peter Port 0244 BST. https://www.rciyc.com/navigation/ Edited August 10, 2021 by Sidecar Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DamnSkippy 11 Posted August 10, 2021 Share Posted August 10, 2021 Pretty easy to look at all the boats track on YB. Butterworth must have had his eyes closed as dawn was coming Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bill E Goat 425 Posted August 10, 2021 Share Posted August 10, 2021 Have to leave the Fastnet TSS to port in both directions 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Sidecar 1,303 Posted August 10, 2021 Share Posted August 10, 2021 16 minutes ago, Bill E Goat said: Have to leave the Fastnet TSS to port in both directions What does Appendix A say? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bill E Goat 425 Posted August 10, 2021 Share Posted August 10, 2021 Appendix A just defines the Lat/Long of each corner of each of the TSS zones 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Foiling Optimist 360 Posted August 10, 2021 Share Posted August 10, 2021 2 minutes ago, Sidecar said: What does Appendix A say? Look up the thread, it's all there, appendix A gives the positions of the four points that define each TSS. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Chasm 620 Posted August 10, 2021 Share Posted August 10, 2021 4 hours ago, ulysses said: See any video, audio, photos ...? Not at the time, by now there are a few in the usual media. Should only take a day or two for RORC press releases to catch up. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Sidecar 1,303 Posted August 10, 2021 Share Posted August 10, 2021 Looks like Actual is headed for Anse de Vauville (Bay), to get into slacker water, could even sneak up the shore and get the back eddy to the corner. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
terrafirma 1,339 Posted August 10, 2021 Share Posted August 10, 2021 Well Well Well, Look whose winning Line Honors, IRC Zero and IRC Overall..! Surely not a boat with C Foils...? WTF.? If it stays this way, ala big boat race, what a debut it would be for Skorpios..! 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Ripple Rider 24 Posted August 10, 2021 Author Share Posted August 10, 2021 47 minutes ago, Bill E Goat said: Have to leave the Fastnet TSS to port in both directions Looks like Rambler cannot read the SIs, sack the naviguessor? I imagine the bowman would have told them which way to go but as per usual the bowman (who knows everything) isn't listened to by the apparent "brains trust"! Haha Quote Link to post Share on other sites
terrafirma 1,339 Posted August 10, 2021 Share Posted August 10, 2021 6 minutes ago, Ripple Rider said: Looks like Rambler cannot read the SIs, sack the naviguessor? I imagine the bowman would have told them which way to go but as per usual the bowman (who knows everything) isn't listened to by the apparent "brains trust"! Haha Wow I didn't notice this on the tracker. I just assumed they rounded the Rock and kept the TSS on Port.! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
enigmatically2 1,464 Posted August 10, 2021 Share Posted August 10, 2021 8 hours ago, trisail said: Imagine being on Skorpios and asking, "Tea anyone?" And on Apivia, 'hey bud, would you like some tea?" Double handed. Offshore in 25-30knots. I don't recall tea being an option. We must have been doing it wrong Quote Link to post Share on other sites
terrafirma 1,339 Posted August 10, 2021 Share Posted August 10, 2021 8 hours ago, Monkey said: Alex and the HB team have always been open about saying the boat was never designed with any fucks given towards non Vendee conditions. (Not Talking to you Monkey, this is for Hugo Boss) Non Vendee Conditions.? Gotta love that. So what the fuck was Apivia designed for.? How about going fast at nearly everything? What a misnomer that is. Nowadays in a climate changed world the boats are experiencing everything it just blows my mind how Apivia went beneath Hugo Boss like they were standing still. (Watch the Imoca Start). Charlie and his design team have got it right. Alex isn't acknowledging his current Fastnet performance of being basically last and I don't believe it's solely a design issue. It sounds like they really don't give a rats and have conned the sailing public into believing they are still relevant, quote someone else in these forums.! 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Thisnametaken 9 Posted August 10, 2021 Share Posted August 10, 2021 6 minutes ago, terrafirma said: (Not Talking to you Monkey, this is for Hugo Boss) Non Vendee Conditions.? Gotta love that. So what the fuck was Apivia designed for.? How about going fast at nearly everything? What a misnomer that is. Nowadays in a climate changed world the boats are experiencing everything it just blows my mind how Apivia went beneath Hugo Boss like they were standing still. (Watch the Imoca Start). Charlie and his design team have got it right. Alex isn't acknowledging his current Fastnet performance of being basically last and I don't believe it's solely a design issue. It sounds like they really don't give a rats and have conned the sailing public into believing they are still relevant, quote someone else in these forums.! This. Alex has proven he's a player with the right ride. This ride is a dog. And the minute that ride was doing well, it started to fall apart. But has he lost faith in the ride and therefore his mojo? 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
JSoup 11 Posted August 10, 2021 Share Posted August 10, 2021 4 hours ago, Soton_Speed said: Is 'Soup Nazi' now a crew position?.... Yes 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Foiling Optimist 360 Posted August 10, 2021 Share Posted August 10, 2021 Sodebo? Bring back Crepes Whaou! (Image from https://www.courseaularge.com/crepes-whaou-a-trouve-un-acquereur.html) 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
terrafirma 1,339 Posted August 10, 2021 Share Posted August 10, 2021 Skorpios has the option of going South of the last TSS zone or cutting through the middle like Ultim Emotion, looking at the angles for her I'd be tempted to go around the most Southerly TSS zone but that's purely based on the wind overlay as to what's really happening on the boat. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Ripple Rider 24 Posted August 10, 2021 Author Share Posted August 10, 2021 55 minutes ago, terrafirma said: Skorpios has the option of going South of the last TSS zone or cutting through the middle like Ultim Emotion, looking at the angles for her I'd be tempted to go around the most Southerly TSS zone but that's purely based on the wind overlay as to what's really happening on the boat. Wind and forecast wind is critical to all entrants and it appears to be fading into the future. Tidal Currents in this part of the world are also incredibly important to consider, and all competitors should be setting themselves up at the Scilly Isles for their approach to the Alderney Race and their final push towards the finish line. The Alderney race will be flowing at up to 9.5knots at times, many boats wont be able to sail that fast if they find themselves going against it. Skorpios are sure to have routing software to bring it all together with forecast winds and currents based on the known boat polars. Here is what the tide is doing now for all entrants, courtesy of Tidetech Marine Data 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Sidecar 1,303 Posted August 10, 2021 Share Posted August 10, 2021 Compare the Tidetech data with what the tracker is currently (sorry) showing…… It is roughly slack water in Guernsey now and about to flood, current wise.. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
eastcoastlow 6 Posted August 10, 2021 Share Posted August 10, 2021 Sodebo looks to have stopped about 12nm from the finish? Been doing circles for a little while... Ran aground or broken something? Edit: they are going again now, must have been battling the tide or lack of wind for a while. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
SloopJohnB 360 Posted August 10, 2021 Share Posted August 10, 2021 3 hours ago, Ripple Rider said: I imagine the bowman would have told them which way to go but as per usual the bowman (who knows everything) isn't listened to by the apparent "brains trust"! Haha I will certainly ask the bowman what happened when gets back downunder. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Ripple Rider 24 Posted August 10, 2021 Author Share Posted August 10, 2021 46 minutes ago, Sidecar said: Compare the Tidetech data with what the tracker is currently (sorry) showing…… It is roughly slack water in Guernsey now and about to flood, current wise.. Looks like the Tracker using Windy shows the Tide ebbing (east to west) by all account the tide is flooding now (west to east). One of them is right, the other is not. I would trust Tidetech, since that is what they do. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
vokstar 112 Posted August 10, 2021 Share Posted August 10, 2021 Nice vid on Edmond de Rothschild 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Afrayedknot 56 Posted August 10, 2021 Share Posted August 10, 2021 4 hours ago, Ripple Rider said: Looks like Rambler cannot read the SIs, sack the naviguessor? I imagine the bowman would have told them which way to go but as per usual the bowman (who knows everything) isn't listened to by the apparent "brains trust"! Haha I want to be a fly on the wall when they realize their error. Maybe Salter knows something we don’t. (Hopefully for him) But if he pooched it this bad I’d expect him to not only get fired but it would be admirable to forgo your pay for the race. So in the realm of 1500-2500 a day. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Jethrow 407 Posted August 10, 2021 Share Posted August 10, 2021 So it seems pretty obvious that they cut the wrong side of the TSS. Does this require a protest from a fellow competitor or is it an RC/ Jury DSQ? The opportunity for a face-saving RET has probably passed? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
oioi 84 Posted August 10, 2021 Share Posted August 10, 2021 You can always not declare and retire are cruising the finish line. I did that once after a fellow competitor kindly pointed out i had not sailed the correct course. Fortunately it was not the Fastnet. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
JL92S 426 Posted August 10, 2021 Share Posted August 10, 2021 I think they’ll get over it, not like they’re in a line honours position and they don’t have to please anyone except George. This isn’t as bad as when Phaedo rounded the wrong island in the middle sea race costing them the race. Sometimes these things need context Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Afrayedknot 56 Posted August 10, 2021 Share Posted August 10, 2021 2 minutes ago, JL92S said: I think they’ll get over it, not like they’re in a line honours position and they don’t have to please anyone except George. This isn’t as bad as when Phaedo rounded the wrong island in the middle sea race costing them the race. Sometimes these things need context Yeah. (For context) How pleased would you be if someone couldn’t verify the course whilst paying I dunno 50-100k a day for the boat to sail? It’s not just the dailies... Its yard days, shipping, maintenance. My guess is you’re close to 6 figures a day to sail that boat and you can’t figure out the 5 defined marks of the course? Again. They may know something we don’t but then again, no one else has done what they did. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
aussieinlondon 9 Posted August 10, 2021 Share Posted August 10, 2021 6 minutes ago, JL92S said: I think they’ll get over it, not like they’re in a line honours position and they don’t have to please anyone except George. This isn’t as bad as when Phaedo rounded the wrong island in the middle sea race costing them the race. Sometimes these things need context they will have to drop the selling price on rambler after this race .. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Sidecar 1,303 Posted August 10, 2021 Share Posted August 10, 2021 1 hour ago, Ripple Rider said: Looks like the Tracker using Windy shows the Tide ebbing (east to west) by all account the tide is flooding now (west to east). One of them is right, the other is not. I would trust Tidetech, since that is what they do. The clue was given with the Guernsey (St Peter Port) data…… Tidetech is more correct. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
terrafirma 1,339 Posted August 10, 2021 Share Posted August 10, 2021 22 minutes ago, Afrayedknot said: Yeah. (For context) How pleased would you be if someone couldn’t verify the course whilst paying I dunno 50-100k a day for the boat to sail? It’s not just the dailies... Its yard days, shipping, maintenance. My guess is you’re close to 6 figures a day to sail that boat and you can’t figure out the 5 defined marks of the course? Again. They may know something we don’t but then again, no one else has done what they did. BB would be on a pretty penny that's for sure.! I wonder if BB offers a service "No Win No Fee.!" I watched their track and certainly rounded the mark and went straight back the way they come obviously looking for more leverage at gaining. It's gone lighter now and Skorpios is creating her own apparent wind and running down the Multi Ultime Emotion. Love to know what it's blowing if Skorpios is going at 13-14 Knots at her current angle it would be under 10 knots I'm guessing? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bill E Goat 425 Posted August 10, 2021 Share Posted August 10, 2021 A lot of boats going backward off the Lizard 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Gorn FRANTIC!! 502 Posted August 10, 2021 Share Posted August 10, 2021 Pic of the vessel that retired due to "leaking keel bolt" 8 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Chucky 47 Posted August 10, 2021 Share Posted August 10, 2021 9 minutes ago, Gorn FRANTIC!! said: Pic of the vessel that retired due to "leaking keel bolt" Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Chucky 47 Posted August 10, 2021 Share Posted August 10, 2021 Lucky the keel is still there by looking at that. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
terrafirma 1,339 Posted August 10, 2021 Share Posted August 10, 2021 51 minutes ago, Bill E Goat said: A lot of boats going backward off the Lizard Yeah when you look at the Tracker it's a sea of boats going in every direction. Makes you wonder if some of them know what they are doing.? LOL. For the boats coming back in it's a minefield out there.. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Potter 779 Posted August 10, 2021 Share Posted August 10, 2021 34 minutes ago, Gorn FRANTIC!! said: Pic of the vessel that retired due to "leaking keel bolt" Good decision to retire! I would be keen to know what made them look at the keel bolts? Given the amount of water falling out of the skies around here there would have been a fair amount inside the boats anyway. Glad they spotted it. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
shanghaisailor 1,757 Posted August 10, 2021 Share Posted August 10, 2021 47 minutes ago, Gorn FRANTIC!! said: Pic of the vessel that retired due to "leaking keel bolt" That doesn't look too far to letting go altogether. With the pounding they were getting going upwind, if they had continued it could have been a real 'Drum' moment. Like @Potter, I wonder what drew their attention to it. Having said that, it looks like a 'leaking keel bolt' would not have just been a trickle. I bet it was a real Holy F*** moment as that came into view on the Travelhoist 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Matagi 1,445 Posted August 10, 2021 Share Posted August 10, 2021 I think in a lumpy sea for such a prolonged time, checking on your bolts should be on your checklist with at least every watch change. I take it that one above is Jazz? First 40 designs have their grid bonded to the hull, not laminated in, afaik? Same as the Cheeky Rafiki 40.7 design? Looks like a full loss, given that crack in the hull. I wouldn't be surprised to find a lot of owners will find similar things after the race. Only some will come forward, of course, some will try to sell as quickly as possible. The other one retired with keel issues is Jameerah, a J/120, also a design not without keel issues in the past. Keel design should play a much more prominent role when determining OSR category. Bonded in is not good enough. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
KlaasWiersma 12 Posted August 10, 2021 Share Posted August 10, 2021 54 minutes ago, Potter said: Good decision to retire! I would be keen to know what made them look at the keel bolts? Given the amount of water falling out of the skies around here there would have been a fair amount inside the boats anyway. Glad they spotted it. From the shape of the crack, they could have 'touched' some land before or during the race, decided to start anyways and check regularly. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Matagi 1,445 Posted August 10, 2021 Share Posted August 10, 2021 BTW: 78 retired by now, out of 314, so 25% out. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
cill123 48 Posted August 10, 2021 Share Posted August 10, 2021 I wouldn't say that was a "leak" inside the boat, more like why the **** are the floor boards floating and water pissing in 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Potter 779 Posted August 10, 2021 Share Posted August 10, 2021 1 hour ago, Matagi said: I think in a lumpy sea for such a prolonged time, checking on your bolts should be on your checklist with at least every watch change. If I was involved with a boat where checking the keel bolts that often was considered necessary in a lumpy sea I would not be doing the Fastnet on it. 11 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Matagi 1,445 Posted August 10, 2021 Share Posted August 10, 2021 6 minutes ago, Potter said: If I was involved with a boat where checking the keel bolts that often was considered necessary in a lumpy sea I would not be doing the Fastnet on it. My point exactly. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Monkey 2,365 Posted August 10, 2021 Share Posted August 10, 2021 2 hours ago, Potter said: Good decision to retire! I would be keen to know what made them look at the keel bolts? Given the amount of water falling out of the skies around here there would have been a fair amount inside the boats anyway. Glad they spotted it. I don’t do it to check keel bolts, but do lift up a floor board to check the bilge every watch change. It’s never been for fear of sinking, but just to see if we’re hauling any extra water that snuck in. 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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