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had this one fall into my lap this past week, a cosmetically rough but structurally sound pearson electra 22. this should be a fun little project. also if anyone has an old electra jib they'd like to unload. let me know.  212069614_879093942699616_4475812755129708937_n.thumb.jpg.8432a8b4fc563cbbf5d4d0492bca2ead.jpg215913978_909348759622119_6641882135650133675_n.thumb.jpg.a90cdc827d97b5fb1b7ad49b958cb7b5.jpg

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That should be a sweet little boat when she's been restored.  With that mostly-mainsail rig, she will be much easier to handle than newer boats with most of their upwind sail area in overlapping genoas.

If you have a few boat bucks left over for new sails, you have the option of turbo-ing the rig, as @Sail4beer did with his Ensign.

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Where’d you find the boat? I saw one earlier this year in the Saco area that the owner was debating what to do with.

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1 hour ago, mgs said:

Where’d you find the boat? I saw one earlier this year in the Saco area that the owner was debating what to do with.

she's been sitting in a little boatyard on southport island for the past 8 years. 

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so this is what I'm looking at cost wise. I already have all the tools I need to get her back into shape so there's no new costs there. 

things I already have on hand left over from projects on the other 2 boats: 

-half gallon of bottom paint 

- most of a quart of semi gloss polyurethane paint for the interior. 

- enough line to replace, most, if not all of the running rigging.

-varnish for what little teak there is

 

so moving onto the costs:

-2 quarts primer for the hull: $70

-2 quarts one part paint for the hull: $86

-1 quart nonskid paint: $48

- brand new mahogany rudder a friend built for an electra project he never finished $100

-new bilge pump $35

- battery $100

-little solar panel and controller to keep the battery topped up $60

basically I'll be into the boat for $500, if I decide to rewire what little of an electrical system there is I'm looking at another $200ish

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2 minutes ago, steele said:

Sounds good, but after 8 plus years the standing rigging may need some attention, just for saftey's sake.

it's been stored indoors fortunately, I'll have a rigger friend take a look at it, if he decides it needs to go I'll just splice up new standing rigging with dyneema 

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2 hours ago, frozenhawaiian said:

she's been sitting in a little boatyard on southport island for the past 8 years. 

I just happened to run into the owner of a little yard on Southport. He says he’s taking the boat north tomorrow. 
 

he couldn’t believe how much interest there was in the boat

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1 hour ago, mgs said:

I just happened to run into the owner of a little yard on Southport. He says he’s taking the boat north tomorrow. 
 

he couldn’t believe how much interest there was in the boat

wednesday, but yes. must be the same boat. I was surprised when he said people were coming out of the woodwork wanting to see the boat. 

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1 hour ago, frozenhawaiian said:

I'm pretty tempted to keep this name and put the new lettering on exactly the same as the current lettering. 

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Damn. That is going to be a sweet boat. Would you like to buy a less massive OB bracket? Hell, I'll give it to you if you'll pay the shipping.

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haha that outboard bracket just looks huge because it's a foot from the camera. down below it's pretty sparse, theoretically 2 bunks plus a v berth. the paint is all pretty badly peeled, the cabin is at the bottom of the priority list for me

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8 minutes ago, Black Jack said:

sweet. great project and she will be a fun sailer!

if it sails anything like the ensign I think it'll be a great little boat. the sails that it came with are tired but serviceable, I'm debating having precision make up a new set

 

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3 minutes ago, frozenhawaiian said:

if it sails anything like the ensign I think it'll be a great little boat. the sails that it came with are tired but serviceable, I'm debating having precision make up a new set

 

She is a keeper. a new white dress would let her dance for a good while. That is the kind of boat we hope we will return to if we are lucky. Make sure she is ready when you are.

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both of my current boats are charter boats, one is all but impossible to singlehand, the other is a pain to singlehand. I wanted something small, cheap, super low effort for one person to sail and simple to maintain. even if I buy some brand new sails form precision I'll still only be in for about $2500, and that number figures in the cost of moving and launching the boat. 

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It will sail similar to an Ensign, however, it is a masthead rig instead of fractional. The boat is a leftover from the MORC days and is a simple boat to enjoy for a day sail or a weekend. You’ll have a fun time bringing the boat back into shape!

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Are you going to tow it to Hawaii? Just curious as that is one kick ass little boat! Looking forward to seeing the results of your restoration. 

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First childhood sail was on an Electra (Lake Lanier) in 1963.  Owner Charlie was happy to take interested folks sailing as he earned a small commission if demonstration bagged a sale for local Pearson dealer. In the end, my old man purchased a 20' Vivacity imported by Wells Yachts out of Boston. Charlie was a better sailor and the Electra faster boat than the twin keel Vivacity.

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1 hour ago, Kolibri said:

Are you going to tow it to Hawaii? Just curious as that is one kick ass little boat! Looking forward to seeing the results of your restoration. 

the sail to hawaii plan has been put on hold indefinitely. it starts in earnest on wedneday when the boat gets moved up closer to me. 

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3 hours ago, rstone said:

First childhood sail was on an Electra (Lake Lanier) in 1963.  Owner Charlie was happy to take interested folks sailing as he earned a small commission if demonstration bagged a sale for local Pearson dealer. In the end, my old man purchased a 20' Vivacity imported by Wells Yachts out of Boston. Charlie was a better sailor and the Electra faster boat than the twin keel Vivacity.

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Nearly everything was.

My first boat was a Vivacity - stiff as a church and solidly built but those were its only virtues.

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19 hours ago, SloopJonB said:

Nearly everything was.

My first boat was a Vivacity - stiff as a church and solidly built but those were its only virtues.

honestly I've never even heard of a vivacity until now. 

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Small world Sloop. Yep, solid boat and subject for the Micro Cruiser thread.

My Father sold the Vivacity with trailer in spring of 66 to a Lockheed engineer. With his British wife, new owner put the boat in the Chattahoochee River below Columbus, Ga floating down stream 250 miles to Appalachicola, FL. Sailed the straight line to Tarpon Springs, meandered down the coast to Ft Myers. Then up the Caloosahatchee River to Lake Okechobee popping out on the intracoastal at Stuart FL. They crossed over Gulf Stream sailing the Exumas for three months. Only took an RDF and charts --became a local hero.

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9 hours ago, Sail4beer said:

Don’t forget about the cat on deck! Someone had to eat all the bugs in the cabin at night…

I’m diggin the plaid shorts, cardigan sweater (with collared shirt) and chunky frame glasses.  Hip white dude fashion of the 1960s...or does he look like Mr. Rogers...

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I wuz there - trust me, that was never a hip look, even for a white dude.

Looks more like an engineer or a teacher or something like that.

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Last installment before moving this over to "Girl with Patreon account goes sailing in Hot Place."

 

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42 minutes ago, Jud - s/v Sputnik said:

I’m diggin the plaid shorts, cardigan sweater (with collared shirt) and chunky frame glasses.  Hip white dude fashion of the 1960s...or does he look like Mr. Rogers...

Those are Madras shorts. I wore them then and still wear them. Timeless.

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18 minutes ago, Bull City said:

Those are Madras shorts. I wore them then and still wear them. Timeless.

Interested to know a bit more about the fabric, I, well, like we all do nowadays, I googled it.  Madras is apparently a particular type of fabric (with a plaid pattern, of course).

Actually quite interesting - this is just the recent history of it (it goes back to the English King George V and earlier...

https://www.countryclubprep.com/blogs/fox-tales/how-did-madras-fabric-become-preppy
 

How did Madras fabric become preppy?

 

ENTER AMERICAN PLAID POP-CULTURE, CIRCA 1950

     Even though historians are pretty sure Madras fabric materials were likely being utilized by higher end clothing companies in the 1800s, the first bit of hard evidence can be found in Sears 1897 mailing catalogue which advertised the first known mass produced Madras shirt easily available to the American consumer. Only twenty years after this debut, Madras plaid began making its splash in the American fashion world.


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The New York Times reported a shortage of authentic Madras fabric caused by mass demand in 1919, and Americans vacationing to the English-controlled Bahamas in the first half of the 20th century regularly sported authentic Madras as a token of their leisurely vacationer status. At this point, it would be safe to say that Madras fabric had solidified itself as the preppy, vibrantly colored and breathable material we know and love today; However, Madras fabric really became an American staple of preppy fashion after a marketing scandal almost tanked the original Brooks Brothers in the late 50s.

     Interested in capitalizing on the trend of authentic Madras plaid fabric sweeping the preppy vacationers of the United States, the Brooks Brothers negotiated a deal with William Jacobson, a noteworthy textile importer at the time, for 10,000 yards of authentic dyed Madras plaid fabric.

     Through accident or sheer ignorance, the Brooks Brothers mass produced as many plaid shirts as possible for their 1958 catalogue without including washing instructions for consumers. Because truly authentic, hand-woven Madras fabric is made exclusively with vegetable dyes and oils, the material is known to bleed excessively upon first wash as opposed to its less authentic plaid competitors.

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     And so, in a rather famous PR campaign prompted by consumers who were understandably angry about their bleeding Madras plaid, the Brooks Brothers coined the phrase “guaranteed to bleed” as the pitch for the true authenticity of their imported Madras fabric moving forward.

 

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9 minutes ago, Jud - s/v Sputnik said:

“guaranteed to bleed”

Yes, this was a vital feature. In high school and college (1960's), I had Madras shorts, shirts (button down pull-overs), a pair of trousers, and a sports jacket, and a few ties, even a bow tie. I still have some ties, shirts and shorts.

Great stuff.

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18 minutes ago, Bull City said:

Yes, this was a vital feature. In high school and college (1960's), I had Madras shorts, shirts (button down pull-overs), a pair of trousers, and a sports jacket, and a few ties, even a bow tie. I still have some ties, shirts and shorts.

Great stuff.

I have the distinct impression that going full Madras (from head to toe) would be a fashion faux pas.  It works in contrast to plainer accessories.

I also have the distinct impression that Madras is a US East Coast fashion thing primarily.  Don’t think I’ve ever seen it here - but may be a thing in private golf and country clubs, as a look.  When I make it around to the East coast, I’d like to do a Maine cruise, dressed in: dark blue sports jacket, white button down shirt (with paisley ascot for evening dinner wear), Madras shorts, horn rimmed glasses, and penny loafers —naturally, on a wood-trimmed yawl of some sort, to blend in to the Ralph Lauren catalog scenery at all the regattas.  To try to look as self-consciously preppy/Maine/blueblood as possible.  A “when in Rome” kinda thing.  Otherwise, I just can’t see a good opportunity to wear Madras (being on the wild and wooly Canadian west coast).

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Madras was a thing around '64 IIRC.

Short lived - 1 or 2 years then Carnaby came in.

And you're right - one item in Madras. Imagine dressing in various Tartans. :blink:

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27 minutes ago, Kris Cringle said:

Nothing is new

I believe that is the Pendleton Wool shirt look. West coast surfers popularized that look, probably as après-surf wear, given the cold water. I think only one of the Beach Boys actually surfed: Dennis Wilson, on the left.

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9 hours ago, Jud - s/v Sputnik said:

dark blue sports jacket, white button down shirt (with paisley ascot for evening dinner wear), Madras shorts,

Be careful with the paisley ascot and Madras shorts. They might clash.

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ok, update time. yesterday the boat was moved to the yard closest to me where I'll do most of the work. so for starters, here's some pics of the state of the boat as we start out.  deck is a mess, there are 3 soft spots on the side decks and foredeck none of them big enough to really be a concern, when I get around to fixing them I can get at them from below. mast step also needs to replaced, I have a block of mahogany that will suit the bill perfectly.  

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lines left all over the cockpit, previous owners apparently weren't the tidy type. 

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cabin was left to bake in the sun with just enough moisture to help peel all the paint, this is bottom of the priority list since this boat really will just be a day sailor and the cabin will just be storage for the cooler and peoples stuff. the ancient porta potty, went straight to the dumpster. I'll happily buy a new one for $80 and not mess around with that nightmare old one. 

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so moving on to the hull. it was painted at some point and whoever did it either used low quality paint or did a bad job (probably both) in any event the paint is peeling off, good news however is the original gelcoat isn't cracked or failing. 

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the other good news with the old paint failing is that with 40 grit pads and a 6inch sander it comes off easily. this was about 30 mins worth of sanding. 

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31 minutes ago, Bull City said:

I believe that is the Pendleton Wool shirt look. West coast surfers popularized that look, probably as après-surf wear, given the cold water. I think only one of the Beach Boys actually surfed: Dennis Wilson, on the left.

Ah, you're right! The Pendleton shirt. I recall my mother bought me one. It hung on my shoulders like a damp blanket and smelled a little of long gone grandfathers. You can't dress sons, I keep telling Mary Ann that. 

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5 hours ago, frozenhawaiian said:

ok, update time. yesterday the boat was moved to the yard closest to me where I'll do most of the work. so for starters, here's some pics of the state of the boat as we start out.  deck is a mess, there are 3 soft spots on the side decks and foredeck none of them big enough to really be a concern, when I get around to fixing them I can get at them from below. mast step also needs to replaced, I have a block of mahogany that will suit the bill perfectly.  

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lines left all over the cockpit, previous owners apparently weren't the tidy type. 

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cabin was left to bake in the sun with just enough moisture to help peel all the paint, this is bottom of the priority list since this boat really will just be a day sailor and the cabin will just be storage for the cooler and peoples stuff. the ancient porta potty, went straight to the dumpster. I'll happily buy a new one for $80 and not mess around with that nightmare old one. 

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so moving on to the hull. it was painted at some point and whoever did it either used low quality paint or did a bad job (probably both) in any event the paint is peeling off, good news however is the original gelcoat isn't cracked or failing. 

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the other good news with the old paint failing is that with 40 grit pads and a 6inch sander it comes off easily. this was about 30 mins worth of sanding. 

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Super cool boat!

I LOVE the name of that blue Tartan 30 in the background.  Sea Cup...:lol:

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9 hours ago, Bull City said:

I believe that is the Pendleton Wool shirt look. West coast surfers popularized that look, probably as après-surf wear, given the cold water. I think only one of the Beach Boys actually surfed: Dennis Wilson, on the left.

You are correct about The Beach Boys.  Dennis was the only one who ever took tot he water on a surfboard.  What a strange coincidence in life, the group that did so much to popularize surfing and surf music never surfed.  Now as far as Dick Dale and the Del Tones, Dale felt the power he felt in Surfing transferred to his guitar.  This is a quote from Wikipedia 

Dale later said "There was a tremendous amount of power I felt while surfing and that feeling of power was simply transferred into my guitar". His playing style reflected the experience he had when surfing, and projecting the power of the ocean to people.”

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3 hours ago, Beer fueled Mayhem said:

Super cool boat!

I LOVE the name of that blue Tartan 30 in the background.  Sea Cup...:lol:

When I was a teenager, there was a hot half-tonner in the harbour whose skipper allegedly used to spend large chunks of the evening races engaging his all-male crew in debate about the bra-size of spinnakers.

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39 minutes ago, Santana20AE said:

You are correct about The Beach Boys.  Dennis was the only one who ever took tot he water on a surfboard.  What a strange coincidence in life, the group that did so much to popularize surfing and surf music never surfed.  Now as far as Dick Dale and the Del Tones, Dale felt the power he felt in Surfing transferred to his guitar.  This is a quote from Wikipedia 

Dale later said "There was a tremendous amount of power I felt while surfing and that feeling of power was simply transferred into my guitar". His playing style reflected the experience he had when surfing, and projecting the power of the ocean to people.”

How could anyone live in SoCal in those days and not surf?

If you were young a surfboard and a hot rod were what life was about there in those days.

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29 minutes ago, SloopJonB said:

How could anyone live in SoCal in those days and not surf?

I believe the water is pretty fucking cold, and back in the day there were no wetsuits, and when they arrived, they were very stiff and confining, and sapped paddling strength, which is key to surfing.

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21 hours ago, Bull City said:

Those are Madras shorts. I wore them then and still wear them. Timeless.

Ha! I'm wearing some now - patch Madras.

Patch is even better because the stitching keeps the cloth off your skin, like the texture in seersucker.

91F here today.

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42 minutes ago, blurocketsmate said:

91F here today.

F stands for f**king degrees.

In South Carolina, the only thing between you and Hell is a screen door. Be careful!

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44 minutes ago, blurocketsmate said:

Ha! I'm wearing some now - patch Madras.

Patch is even better because the stitching keeps the cloth off your skin, like the texture in seersucker.

Madras and seersucker? :o

I'm a lot younger than I thought.

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3 hours ago, TwoLegged said:

When I was a teenager, there was a hot half-tonner in the harbour whose skipper allegedly used to spend large chunks of the evening races engaging his all-male crew in debate about the bra-size of spinnakers.

We’re they ever big enough?

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3 hours ago, SloopJonB said:

How could anyone live in SoCal in those days and not surf?

If you were young a surfboard and a hot rod were what life was about there in those days.

Its where we all wanted to be in the 60’s.  On a surfboard of course.  

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2 hours ago, Sail4beer said:
5 hours ago, TwoLegged said:

When I was a teenager, there was a hot half-tonner in the harbour whose skipper allegedly used to spend large chunks of the evening races engaging his all-male crew in debate about the bra-size of spinnakers.

We’re they ever big enough?

the boys didn't tell me many details of their perving, but your questions give me visions of those terrifying bra-fitting harridans in lingerie shops charging at spinnakers with that outstretched paw ready to grab and squeeze

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3 hours ago, Black Sox said:

Better than SPIT but not as good as GARGLE?

Thought everyone knew that…

my buddy told me I should keep the name swallow and get little decal you can only see when you're close to the boat that reads "don't spit" 

 

also, how did turn into a thread about old clothing styles? 

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6 hours ago, frozenhawaiian said:

also, how did turn into a thread about old clothing styles? 

It was the plaid shorts in the old photo, and the Jud and I kind of took off on it, with the help of others. SJB and Kris Cringle come to mind.

I'll try to stay more focused. :)

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Back to the subject at hand.  Yep, that cabin looks a bit out of sort.  But the deck?  Yep I know there’s work to be done but to my eye, in the pictures shown, its not bad at all.  Sanding the topsides....Wear safety glasses, nothing like a quick trip to the emergency room when a shot of debris (that could contain some glass) takes direct aim at your dominant eye.  (Don’t ask me how I know this is important.). 

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On 7/22/2021 at 3:39 PM, Bull City said:

I believe the water is pretty fucking cold, and back in the day there were no wetsuits, and when they arrived, they were very stiff and confining, and sapped paddling strength, which is key to surfing.

That may have been true, but Jack O'Neill had us all convinced otherwise. 

 

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8 hours ago, frozenhawaiian said:

discussions about old clothing aside, I'll be back to working on the boat over the weekend. 

Great news! Looking forward to some photos. What will you be wearing?

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Bull, you should buy one of these little boats as a project - you and Frozen could start a reno thread with a haberdashery angle called "Electric Electras and Pretty in Plaid"

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2 hours ago, Jim in Halifax said:

Bull, you should buy one of these little boats as a project - you and Frozen could start a reno thread with a haberdashery angle called "Electric Electras and Pretty in Plaid"

Actually, with TONIC (my H-Boat) having been in the yard since mid-May, I think you're onto something. Last week I was looking on-line at Alcort/AMF Puffers. It's 12' sloop that you can sail or row. If one were to follow me home, Mrs. Bull would probably take me in for a brain scan.

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