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There is a faint, yet tangible, feeling that the wind might be starting to go out of the sails of two of the world’s oldest and most celebrated sporting events. 

By coincidence, we have had a pair of significant announcements within the same week. 

In New Zealand, authorities quietly conceded that even allowing for the impact of COVID, the last America’s Cup lost them a truckload of money. A few days later the International Olympic Committee, meeting in Tokyo, awarded the 2032 Olympic Games to Brisbane, a minor Australian state capital. 

What’s the connection, and why does this matter? 

The hard numbers from NZ – combined losses approaching $300m for AC36 – do much to explain why the government and Auckland City Council declined to raise their offer beyond $99m to host the next America’s Cup defense. Facing deficits of those proportions it can’t have been too difficult for them to walk away from Grant Dalton’s venue auction. 

But cutting Emirates Team New Zealand adrift from their Kiwi home so swiftly, and with hardly a backward glance, is a major shift for this fiercely parochial nation. It stands as conclusive proof (if any more were needed) that the Cup now has very little connection with the clubs and countries that ostensibly mount the challenges or defense. Kiwi fans feel abandoned, while the Royal New Zealand Yacht Squadron tags along behind ETNZ like an unwanted child.

The long-term outcome is that the  America’s Cup will become increasingly rootless and detached from its precious traditions. Marketed as a commercial commodity rather than a sporting event, the Cup must inevitably now be at the mercy of harsh economic forces. 

If, as may well happen, no genuinely appropriate city can see financial benefit from hosting the series, then its value as an event drops to zero. Individual sponsors might still wish to buy logo exposure on the boats and sails, but those deals are modest compared with the total costs of staging the Cup in its current hi-tech form. 

People who might think this scenario is just overblown doom-saying should ponder the IOC decision last Thursday to award the 2032 Olympics to Brisbane. 

The international honour of hosting the Games has been a sought-after prize for generations. The TV ratings were, until recently, stratospheric. Cities were prepared to spend billions on specialist infrastructure (everything from velodromes to white-water canoeing courses) just for the prestige of being an “Olympic city”.  

But has the world has finally come to its senses? Brisbane was the only real bidder for the 2032 Games, and the IOC even had to change its rules to accept the Queensland capital. The city itself doesn’t have the capacity to provide complete Olympic facilities so the Games went to the “region”.

It seems that the great urban centers of the world have finally realized that there is no enduring upside to the colossal costs of hosting the Olympics. Like the dinosaurs, the event has become too large (and expensive) for its own good. 

The America’s Cup may be in danger of heading down that same path to extinction. The cost of competing is so extreme that even the New York Yacht Club, probably the world’s wealthiest private sporting body, is planning to combine with the Stars+Stripes syndicate for AC37. 

Meanwhile, Emirates Team New Zealand are touting the event to cities they presumably hope might not yet have done the maths that show the combined rights fee and infrastructure cost is an outlay they are never likely to recover. Valencia recently admitted they are still paying off their AC debts from 2007 and 2010.

We are reminded of that telling 1960s anti-Vietnam slogan: “What if they gave a war and nobody came?”

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15 minutes ago, Editor said:

Marketed as a commercial commodity rather than a sporting event,

give me a break .

It was NEVER a sporting event .

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When it's on, I watch every minute many times over.  Next time I will watch it again, fascinated.  However, at the same time, I realise that it is a dinosaur, climate changing passed it's use-by date big business.  Just like the Olympics.

They can both fuck off.

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Who is the dipshit who did not do their research.

"Minor Australian state capital"!

If Brisbane was in the good ol USA,  then Brisbane is the fourth biggest city in the whole USA, just behind Chicago and ahead of Houston.

Of course you could not award the Olympics to those two cities.

Anyway, still don't want the Olympics in Brisbane.

 

Gun control does not work either in Brisbane

Gun death per 100 000 people:

Brisbane: 1.1

Chicago: 146.4

That will get people going!

 

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3 minutes ago, Livia said:

Who is the dipshit who did not do their research.

"Minor Australian state capital"!

In USA terms,  Brisbane is the fourth biggest city in the whole USA, just behind Chicago and ahead of Houston.

Of course you could not award the Olympics to those two cities.

Anyway, still don't want the Olympics in Brisbane.

 

Brisbane in the USA? "Would be the 4th Biggest city in the USA, if  that city was in that country."

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What do they expect when they hold a race and do not let anyone come to watch.

We San Franciscans were much more hospitable to the Kiwis than they were to us.

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But has the world has finally come to its senses? Brisbane was the only real bidder for the 2032 Games, and the IOC even had to change its rules to accept the Queensland capital. The city itself doesn’t have the capacity to provide complete Olympic facilities so the Games went to the “region”.

 

That part is to allow Australian Sailing to run the sailing at Hamilton island. Stupid.

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28 minutes ago, Livia said:

That part is to allow Australian Sailing to run the sailing at Hamilton island. Stupid.

Sailing will be turfed out by then anyway... ;)

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So this is the end is it.? :( It was fun while it lasted. :D 

Why don't they just turn it into a One Design Event.? TP52's or something.? Would be close racing that's for sure. As exciting as the boats are the racing wasn't most of the time. Whoever won the start won the race most of the time. We know the costs are prohibitive but without close racing why would you want to watch it? 

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I do no think we have to give up.

Reinstating simple rules such that the boat herself (and hopefully most of the crew), simply being able to required get over to the start line on her own bottom would correct a wide variety of problems?
 

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Been a tough watch for me starting in the middle events for the ACC boats.  When they went to cats in places I never go and some I never wanted to go and were televised on stations and in venues that simply are not available in North Louisiana, I lost touch.  I watched a few races of the last cup, but seemed to me, it was a race to the start line.  

Using a simpler boat, may make the folks enamored with the very latest technology unhappy, but...A race between boats is better than a non-race, because no one could afford to build

And, fixed venues, choose two of these four, Fremantle, Hawaii, Newport, The Solent.   

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Please please bring the AC to Hawaii.  We’ll hold the races off of Diamond Head in our usual 15-25 knot trades with our usual 3-5 foot close set swells. Which will mean that not a single AC boat designed since the 1970s could survive a single race.  They’ll actually have to make functional ocean-going sailboats.  Plus, the scenery will be terrific.

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It is high time for the olympics to be held at the same venue for decades.  One for summer, and one for winter.  Build the facilities once, and then maintain them.  The AC should do the same.  I know that this is over simplified, but other than an RC, marks and judges, what are the huge costs that the host city has to bear?  Private industry should handle marinas, hotel rooms, and other needs for the viewing public.  The cost is easier to bear if you know that it will be used more than once. 

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11 hours ago, Mid said:

It was NEVER a sporting event .

It's always been a sporting event.

The big fallacy is believing that anyone other than competitive sailors give a shit about it.  NOBODY outside our community is going to hunt for the AC in their TV listings, let alone pay to view it.

The marketing efforts - specifically, the quest to "find and monetize an audience" - are what has created the current fucked-up scenario.

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43 minutes ago, Snaggletooth said:

pearsonalley, I blamme Ernesto..........                    :)

Yeah, although Michael Fay and the fucktards at SDYC  in 1987-88 probably belong on the list, too.

Pretty steep slide from the 1987 Cup, which was arguably the most "popular" instance in the event's history, to the 1992 Cup which - despite a new class - was kind of a "so what" event.

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2 hours ago, sledracr said:

Yeah, although Michael Fay and the fucktards at SDYC  in 1987-88 probably belong on the list, too.

That clusterfuck of lawyers was the end of the AC AFAIAC.

It's been a circus sideshow ever since.

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I wasn't there, but having been in the action sports and event sponsorship field in the past, and having watched the various documentaries , I also tend to blame Michael Fay and the unstoppable lawyer ball he got rolling. The AC had arrived at a pretty good balance between tradition and occasionally changing the boat class. The 12 meters were obviously getting archaic but if they'd been able to seamlessly change from 12s to the IACC for example, it would have retained that continuity in the public mind. Continuity and tradition are the single most important factor in the long term viability of a sport. Fay and company just blew that all up and in retrospect, picked the worst possible time, as second tier sports were starting to struggle more with popularity and coverage in a fragmenting media market. 

It wouldn't be hard to cut huge costs out of the Olympics, mostly by removing the need to build single use venues which you then abandon. A lot of the other costs are associated with infrastructure the city needed anyway, like Vancouver's Canada LIne, that goes from downtown to the airport and Richmond. Now this line should have been built anyway and the fact it took an Olympics to get it done proves that we are a bunch of total rubes, but there it is.  When people talk about how disastrous the Olympics are they have to gloss over Vancouver, which all of the venues are heavily in use except perhaps the nordic ski jump. 

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16 hours ago, Editor said:

2032 Olympic Games to Brisbane, a minor Australian state capital. 

 

How is Brisbane minor compared to, say, Atlanta - home of the ‘96 games?   Besides which, the Olympics was never a money making scheme for the host city prior to LA games of 1984.  

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15 hours ago, Livia said:

 

Who is the dipshit who did not do their research.

"Minor Australian state capital"!

If Brisbane was in the good ol USA,  then Brisbane is the fourth biggest city in the whole USA, just behind Chicago and ahead of Houston.

 

 

Brisbane metro area has approx 2.6m people. 
 

Houston proper has about 2.3m

Houston metro has about 7m 

Chicago metro has 9.5m


I have been to Brisbane, it is a terrific place. It is kind of on the order of San Jose CA or Austin, TX.

It is NOT Chicago. Sorry.

Boston has less than a million people and about 5 million in Boston metro. Brisbane is no Boston. Boston repeatedly passed on competing for the Olympics because it would lose a ton of money, would permanently fuck up the whole city, and Boston doesn’t need the stupid ass corrupt Olympic “movement” to make it a legit world city.

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46 minutes ago, Foiling Optimist said:

It wouldn't be hard to cut huge costs out of the Olympics, mostly by removing the need to build single use venues which you then abandon. 

Who or whatever decided that each Olympic city had to build brand new buildings and stadiums has gone a long way to kill whatever chance a sponsoring city/state/nation ever has any chance of financially surviving.  A fixed venue (or multiple fixed venues) and some SERIOUS cutting back on the number of sports, especially judged sports would bring the Olympics back into a positive financial state.  And, knowing the stadiums/event facilities are used regularly would provide the need to maintain them.  

Speaking of cutting back on extraneous sports, My neighbor was saying (bragging actually) just today that cheerleading is going to be an Olympic sport.  What’s next, thumbspining, tiddlywinks, how bout fart music? 

America’s cup.  It died when the SDYC did not have a pocket challenge on hand at the finish of the forth race in Fremantle.   

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The Olympics will be fine.   It has been getting too expensive for decades.    Starting after Rio, there has been a growing impetus to reduce cost and complexity. The number of events and number of competitors in Tokyo is less than Rio and will be down again in Paris. The Covid Olympics will hasten this impetus.  Sailing will bear some of this burden. The number of sailing events is down from a peak of 12 classes in Sydney to 10 classes today. It will likely be reduced after Paris. There were only 7 classes at LA/Long Beach.  Other sports will see similar reductions.    On the revenue side of the equation there will be a shift to younger, spectator relevant sports that preserve ratings.

"Oh Horror!" exclaim the Finn aficionados "But the tradition ?  The class that brought us greats like Elvstrom, Ainslie and Mankin!  What about the heavyweights?"    and the weightlifting and boxing will have more reductions. The 18 separate events that make up wrestling, greco roman and freestyle survived into Paris.....but really ? 18??????

The Olympics is too valuable a franchise and active leisure wear and sneakers are too massive a commercial segment for the Olympics to fade. If it gets in trouble it will be reorganized and better managed . It is just too great and too valuable as a brand.

In comparison, the AC has a small franchise value, It doesnt sell much and it doesnt draw many spectators.  Comparing the Olympics to the AC is like comparing Nike to Golden Goose.    The AC is all about spending a lot of money to win a very prestigious trophy. As long as money wants to win, there will be challenges.  If money loses interest, it will gather dust for a decade or so until money gets interested again.

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6 hours ago, BOKSAROX said:

It is high time for the olympics to be held at the same venue for decades.  One for summer, and one for winter.  Build the facilities once, and then maintain them.  The AC should do the same.  I know that this is over simplified, but other than an RC, marks and judges, what are the huge costs that the host city has to bear?  Private industry should handle marinas, hotel rooms, and other needs for the viewing public.  The cost is easier to bear if you know that it will be used more than once. 

How will the Olympic Board of Directors make their graft if the cities don't have to grease their palms?

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I have to say that we took a look at the broadcast last night. The women's skateboarding was incredibly underwhelming. 

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45 minutes ago, Santana20AE said:

some SERIOUS cutting back on the number of sports

I did karate for years. Karate should not be an Olympic sport. Neither should Judo, tae kwon do, sailing, curling, halfpipe, synchronized swimming, golf, skiing+shooting, any dancing, indoor bicycle riding in a circle, kayaking, sledding, surfing, equestrian, skateboarding etc etc etc. There should be like 25 events:

Running short distance

Running med distance

Running long distance 

Marathon

Jumping the highest

Jumping the farthest

Throwing spear

Throwing rock

Shooting arrow

Shooting gun

Lifting

Beat the fuck out of the other guy standing up

Beat the fuck out of the other guy on the ground

Swimming race, whatever stroke you want

Gymnastics (no dance bullshit)

Ice skating (no dance bullshit)

Skiing straight down the hill as fast as you fucking can

Ski jumping

Basketball

Arm wrestling 

Decathlon (who is best at the most shit)

Who can drink the most shots 

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There should be no Judged events, that would be an excellent start.

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There should be no events which have popular world championships, "grand slam" events, etc.

Rules out soccer, rugby, tennis, golf (WTF), boxing,.....

Keeps in throwing rocks, spears, running, swimming,decathalon, .....

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11 minutes ago, Raz'r said:

The women's skateboarding was incredibly underwhelming. 

Surfing too (on air right now). Two guys sitting in the water for half an hour waiting for the right wave.. Who said sailing on TV is boring?

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28 minutes ago, ojfd said:

 Who said sailing on TV is boring?

Pretty much everybody.

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6 minutes ago, TUBBY said:

Make that ANY activity!

Umm, no.

Sex is the outstanding example proving you wrong.

Now, Olympic fucking (the real type rather than the usual political/business type) would get LOTS of eyeballs...

FKT

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21 minutes ago, Couta said:

Medals for the "women's" skate board went to two 13 year olds and a 16 year old......"they've trained their whole life for this!"

Like gymnastics.

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25 minutes ago, Couta said:

Medals for the "women's" skate board went to two 13 year olds and a 16 year old......"they've trained their whole life for this!"

Wait a minute.  I thought athletes under the age of 15 were not allowed?

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50 minutes ago, Raz'r said:

I have to say that we took a look at the broadcast last night. The women's skateboarding was incredibly underwhelming. 

A bit harsh perhaps?  I've really enjoyed the skateboarding.  I wish I'd of had the guts those kids are showing when I was that age!  And the sport seems to be without the battery hen/reeducation camp vibe of the gymnastics, skateboarders could be seen laughing and joking around.

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34 minutes ago, ojfd said:

Surfing too (on air right now). Two guys sitting in the water for half an hour waiting for the right wave.. Who said sailing on TV is boring?

The way they’re presenting sailing at these games is anything but boring. Excellent visuals, sure, the commentary could use a bit of oomph but I find it engrossing. Low level drone footage is outstanding and clii oh so ups of boat and sail trim action are brilliant. Hanging out to watch 49ers today!!

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Just now, SPORTSCAR said:

The way they’re presenting sailing at these games is anything but boring. Excellent visuals, sure, the commentary could use a bit of oomph but I find it engrossing. Low level drone footage is outstanding and clii oh so ups of boat and sail trim action are brilliant. Hanging out to watch 49ers today!!

Agreed!

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57 minutes ago, Raz'r said:

I have to say that we took a look at the broadcast last night. The women's skateboarding was incredibly underwhelming. 

Some of those ‘competitors’ were seriously giving Eddie the Eagle a run for his money.

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8 hours ago, The great unwashed said:

Please please bring the AC to Hawaii.  We’ll hold the races off of Diamond Head in our usual 15-25 knot trades with our usual 3-5 foot close set swells. Which will mean that not a single AC boat designed since the 1970s could survive a single race.  They’ll actually have to make functional ocean-going sailboats.  Plus, the scenery will be terrific.

Totally unfamiliar with the series in Fremantle, huh?

- DSK

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...one more thing. If its down to picking and choosing which events are gonna stay, women's pole vaulting has to be protected at all costs...

...and as for certain sports itching to get into the Olympics, there are so many deserving, dedicated disenfranchised athletes out there who would do anything just to represent there country in the sport they've dedicated there entire lives to, like these guys for instance...

 

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8 hours ago, The great unwashed said:

Please please bring the AC to Hawaii.  We’ll hold the races off of Diamond Head in our usual 15-25 knot trades with our usual 3-5 foot close set swells. Which will mean that not a single AC boat designed since the 1970s could survive a single race.  They’ll actually have to make functional ocean-going sailboats.  Plus, the scenery will be terrific.

You know they filmed a bunch of the sailing sequences for WIND off Oahu,  right?

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2 hours ago, SloopJonB said:

Like gymnastics.

My kid was in gymnastics, club level, was 15 hours a week when she was 7. My niece was a D1 scholarship gymnast, closer to 30 hours/week thru grade and HS. (Now a lawyer)

they were saying one of the finalists picked it up 2 years ago. Train in it for 10 and I would be more impressed. The kids who have Red Bull sponsorship are better than the finalists. 
 

I equate it to Olympic half pipe on the boards. Was interesting until the red-headed step kid  blew it up at another level. Now all the competitors are mind blowing in competency. They need a Red. 

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18 hours ago, Livia said:

If Brisbane was in the good ol USA,  then Brisbane is the fourth biggest city in the whole USA, just behind Chicago and ahead of Houston.

That's a stretch at best. Brisbane is roughly the size of the entire state of Connecticut with half the density. We have over 100 cities with population densities 10,000+/sq. mile, Brisbane clocks in at around 400. Not saying they can't put together a good Olympics, but it's kinda silly comparing them to US cities just based on population. 

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12 minutes ago, PB2207 said:

That's a stretch at best. Brisbane is roughly the size of the entire state of Connecticut with half the density. We have over 100 cities with population densities 10,000+/sq. mile, Brisbane clocks in at around 400. Not saying they can't put together a good Olympics, but it's kinda silly comparing them to US cities just based on population. 

Thank goodness the population density is only 400.

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Reading these comments makes me feel old. Here's a fun fact. Thirteen year old Rayssa Leal, who got silver in Women's Park, added about 4.6 million Instagram followers in the last 24 hours. It is abundantly clear that the reason there are judged sports in the Olympics is because they are more popular than the non-judged Olympic sports that don't already have major leagues championships. No judged sports, no Olympic TV contracts, no Olympics. 

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4 hours ago, fufkin said:

Some of those ‘competitors’ were seriously giving Eddie the Eagle a run for his money.

The Winter Olympics should have been shut down after Calgary in '88.

I mean really, after the Jamaican Bobsled team and Eddie the Eagle how could they ever be equaled? :lol:

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If the Olympics went back to the original ideals of Higher, Stronger, Faster there would be a lot of professional athletes and coaches looking for new jobs. 

2 hours ago, Amati said:

The mixed doubles ping pong final  (Japan vs China) was amazing.

But yes, Amati, completely agree.

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13 hours ago, The great unwashed said:

Please please bring the AC to Hawaii.  We’ll hold the races off of Diamond Head in our usual 15-25 knot trades with our usual 3-5 foot close set swells. Which will mean that not a single AC boat designed since the 1970s could survive a single race.  They’ll actually have to make functional ocean-going sailboats.  Plus, the scenery will be terrific.

Stars & Stripes seemed to go OK in 1987

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11 hours ago, Foiling Optimist said:

I wasn't there, but having been in the action sports and event sponsorship field in the past, and having watched the various documentaries , I also tend to blame Michael Fay and the unstoppable lawyer ball he got rolling. The AC had arrived at a pretty good balance between tradition and occasionally changing the boat class. The 12 meters were obviously getting archaic but if they'd been able to seamlessly change from 12s to the IACC for example, it would have retained that continuity in the public mind. Continuity and tradition are the single most important factor in the long term viability of a sport. Fay and company just blew that all up and in retrospect, picked the worst possible time, as second tier sports were starting to struggle more with popularity and coverage in a fragmenting media market. 

It wouldn't be hard to cut huge costs out of the Olympics, mostly by removing the need to build single use venues which you then abandon. A lot of the other costs are associated with infrastructure the city needed anyway, like Vancouver's Canada LIne, that goes from downtown to the airport and Richmond. Now this line should have been built anyway and the fact it took an Olympics to get it done proves that we are a bunch of total rubes, but there it is.  When people talk about how disastrous the Olympics are they have to gloss over Vancouver, which all of the venues are heavily in use except perhaps the nordic ski jump. 

If the goal is to reduce cost of the Olympics then remove all competition where the outcome is based solely on judged scoring and get rid of most team sports.

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7 hours ago, Amati said:

The mixed doubles ping pong final  (Japan vs China) was amazing.

Sure but imagine “Chariots of Fire” with ping pong. The Greeks of old did not carry a torch from Mount Olympus for ping pong. The Olympics is a bloated mess.

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I was just thinking about this as I was watching the barren Olympics coverage...the huge expensive venues empty....it took stoic resolve for Japan to put the skids on tourism and the influx of money that pays for a fraction of the costs to host.

 

Look to zombie states like Florida where politicians only believe in their own lies and money. They will host "uuuuge" expensive events while a pandemic rages on.

 

But make sure promoters have plenty of funnel cake, deepfried bacon vendors and country music..because the only people who will go are that crowd anyway. Might as well add monster sail boat demo derby to the AC....

All snark aside....as the covid wipes out the unvaccinated this fall and winter...we will emerge on the other side with a new respect for local and DIY....participating not spectating....

Small, local, friends and family.

Watch your local racing fleets grow.

Now that we live in time when one mutation could wipeout half the population in a year...people aren't waiting around for "tomorrow" or "someday".

Time for boat makers to stop making boats for mega rich racing cartels and start reviving and reworking sailing designs for the masses again.

I say this as I sit on a 41 year old 36 footer. Made 90 miles from my slip....

Try to find decent 30-36 footer used....or a new one that isnt stupid scary to own or sail because it is stupid fast and stupid expensive.

High tech high speed foiling ain't all that. People want to go slow safely (but a fast slow)

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1 hour ago, sailman said:

If the goal is to reduce cost of the Olympics then remove all competition where the outcome is based solely on judged scoring and get rid of most team sports.

I dunno about "reducing cost" but it's certain that the goal is entertainment, not competition.

Any "sport" that requires scoring by a panel of judges is a show, not a competition. "Yay, Mom the judge likes me best!"

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The cost of these boats and facilities are insane. I liked Ted Turner’s reply years ago addressing this. Lets sail (production) one designs. I watched the last America’s cup. Its just a drag race. Not even a spinnaker reaching leg. Yes gear breaks, rudder cables snag ( Charlie Morgan’s Heritage). I have always been enamored going slow. Less than 10 knots speed over water. Slow was so exciting. Unless the wind is zilch, sail the boat. Dont have wind “windows” of great than 5 Knots but less than 25 knots. Hey 35 knots wind just starts getting exciting in a J-22

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19 hours ago, The great unwashed said:

Please please bring the AC to Hawaii.  We’ll hold the races off of Diamond Head in our usual 15-25 knot trades with our usual 3-5 foot close set swells. Which will mean that not a single AC boat designed since the 1970s could survive a single race.  They’ll actually have to make functional ocean-going sailboats.  Plus, the scenery will be terrific.

THIS!

And make the boats SAIL to Hawaii from wherever the challenger's club is and make Hawaii based boats sail to LA and back.

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12 hours ago, Fleetwood said:

There should be no events which have popular world championships, "grand slam" events, etc.

Rules out soccer, rugby, tennis, golf (WTF), boxing,.....

Keeps in throwing rocks, spears, running, swimming,decathalon, .....

Bicycling is another example with many, many national and international races already on the calendar.  This year a handful of TDF riders actually left the race early to head for the Olympics.  The problem is it brings nothing new or interesting to the table.

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1 hour ago, Steam Flyer said:

I dunno about "reducing cost" but it's certain that the goal is entertainment, not competition.

Any "sport" that requires scoring by a panel of judges is a show, not a competition. "Yay, Mom the judge likes me best!"

- DSK

And it's a huge Ten from the Russian judge....

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1 hour ago, kent_island_sailor said:

THIS!

And make the boats SAIL to Hawaii from wherever the challenger's club is and make Hawaii based boats sail to LA and back.

Actually, you could give them the choice to either sail from their club (not in Hawaii), or sail from LA or San Fran (Hawaii Clubs, and anyone that wants to).  Takes out the "I have to sail farther" than you did factor...

Then you need to institute a decade long nationality requirement.  If the Cup is every 4 years, then being a resident for 10 means you largely stop all this jumping around by Barker, Spithill, Dickson, etc, etc...

Finally, you have to pick a class of boats (Like the 52s) that are an active class that has been in place for at least the last 9 years, with class rules unchanged for the last 5 years (not saying the 52s meet those requirements) to keep AC from driving the class rules to only suit the upcoming AC race...

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On 7/26/2021 at 12:44 AM, Livia said:

Who is the dipshit who did not do their research.

<<snip>>

Gun death per 100 000 people:

Brisbane: 1.1

Chicago: 146.4

Interesting. What is the difference between those 2 cities?

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and, if all this happens, it ain't the AC anymore...

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4 hours ago, sailman said:

If the goal is to reduce cost of the Olympics then remove all competition where the outcome is based solely on judged scoring and get rid of most team sports.

They don't want to reduce cost, they want to increase revenue.

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3 hours ago, Steam Flyer said:

I dunno about "reducing cost" but it's certain that the goal is entertainment, not competition.

Any "sport" that requires scoring by a panel of judges is a show, not a competition. "Yay, Mom the judge likes me best!"

- DSK

Even swimming has judges.  Freestyle even!

 

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11 hours ago, shanghaisailor said:

If the Olympics went back to the original ideals of Higher, Stronger, Faster there would be a lot of professional athletes and coaches looking for new jobs. 

But yes, Amati, completely agree.

IIRR, the original Olympic movement was at least in part a corinthian alternative to professionalism in sport.  
 

I think Hunter Thompson had a quip about pros….:rolleyes:

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2 hours ago, Trovão said:

and, if all this happens, it ain't the AC anymore...

If only they’d go back to sailing around an island?  In spotty wind and a bunch of tide.  B)

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1 hour ago, Amati said:

Even swimming has judges.  Freestyle even!

 

This is officiating, as in "did a rule get broken" vice judging to determine a "subjective" score based on how well the judges believe a performer did.

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Yachting is a dead art.  Sailing has a little life with kites & kayaks.  AC should run like classic auto racing.  Bring the old warhorses, or new warhorse like boats, around the course in yachting style.  That's what people want to see.  Not terminators pushing buttons on giant Jet-Skis.  Nothing looks fast on TV anyway.  

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20 hours ago, loneshark64 said:

I did karate for years. Karate should not be an Olympic sport. Neither should Judo, tae kwon do, sailing, curling, halfpipe, synchronized swimming, golf, skiing+shooting, any dancing, indoor bicycle riding in a circle, kayaking, sledding, surfing, equestrian, skateboarding etc etc etc. There should be like 25 events:

Running short distance

Running med distance

Running long distance 

Marathon

Jumping the highest

Jumping the farthest

Throwing spear

Throwing rock

Shooting arrow

Shooting gun

Lifting

Beat the fuck out of the other guy standing up

Beat the fuck out of the other guy on the ground

Swimming race, whatever stroke you want

Gymnastics (no dance bullshit)

Ice skating (no dance bullshit)

Skiing straight down the hill as fast as you fucking can

Ski jumping

Basketball

Arm wrestling 

Decathlon (who is best at the most shit)

Who can drink the most shots 

What about Pornhubbing?

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1 hour ago, bluelaser2 said:

Yachting is a dead art.  Sailing has a little life with kites & kayaks.  AC should run like classic auto racing.  Bring the old warhorses, or new warhorse like boats, around the course in yachting style.  That's what people want to see.  Not terminators pushing buttons on giant Jet-Skis.  Nothing looks fast on TV anyway.  

Personally I think the AC is shit, sailing is a relative speed sport that involves coordinated crew work, sail changes, human beings reading the wind and water while playing a huge game of nautical chess. 

Going for speed and glitz is the same as going for silicon tits, impressive but ultimately a statement of how affected by fashion you are. As a sailor the last AC had nothing for me, Burling has the personality of a Turnip, Jimmy had his balls cut off so there's no rivalry going like in F1. The boats were as dull as fuck with a team of hamsters pumping oil and effectively two smurfs sailing them....

The IACC boats were much more interesting to me as a sailor, but theres the rub- sailing is a fucking boring sport to watch unless you are into it. They are trying to make it into NASCAR or something and it will never get there so fuck the AC

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3 hours ago, Crash said:

This is officiating, as in "did a rule get broken" vice judging to determine a "subjective" score based on how well the judges believe a performer did.

Having ‘enjoyed’ biased officiating myself (among them a call by the uncle of a competitor that was later proven wrong by photography, for all the good that did),  I’ll have to disagree with you on this one- it’s all subjective unless you have instant recall, and even then…..

For example, last night, I think it was, an Olympic swimmer went past the underwater limit marker, and it was not called, even though it was replayed on NBC’s broadcast.  

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6 hours ago, Crash said:

Actually, you could give them the choice to either sail from their club (not in Hawaii), or sail from LA or San Fran (Hawaii Clubs, and anyone that wants to).  Takes out the "I have to sail farther" than you did factor...

Then you need to institute a decade long nationality requirement.  If the Cup is every 4 years, then being a resident for 10 means you largely stop all this jumping around by Barker, Spithill, Dickson, etc, etc...

Finally, you have to pick a class of boats (Like the 52s) that are an active class that has been in place for at least the last 9 years, with class rules unchanged for the last 5 years (not saying the 52s meet those requirements) to keep AC from driving the class rules to only suit the upcoming AC race...

That would work. Back in the day NYYC really used this rule to their advantage, boats built to cross oceans showed up to race boats built just strong enough to go 25 miles from Newport and back in summer winds.

Americas Cup:

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Weird contraption not really sure what the fuck it is supposed to be, but I am not really interested in what it does:

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I am not much of a sailboat racing fan, but the events I love have a couple things in common. Big personalities, gamesmanship, nationalism, high standards of sportsmanship. Also zinc oxide, blow dried haircuts, Sperrys and Ray Bans. Foiling, helmet mics and flight controllers do nothing for me. 2F970C70-C9D1-4652-A13C-C3C37DD89F9F.jpeg.023aa32e509439978dc72613c2ebaa2d.jpeg

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Olympics:

  1. restrict it to only the events held at Olympia by the ancient Greeks.  Dump all the rest, including sailing.
  2. Require all competitors and officials to stay in tents.  That will cut out the luxury-seekers.
  3. Ban all coaches, team medics etc from the Olympic village, and ban competitors from phones and internet etc until after their last event.
  4. Ban all advertising from the venues.

America's Cup:

  1. Ban all sponsors.  It was more fun when the Cup was fought out between rich feckers rather than big corporates.
  2. Bring back the 12-metres.  They are ridiculous boats, but they work well for the AC: slow, fragile, need a team of apes.
  3. Require all boats to be built of aluminium, so that they can be recycled
  4. Make all crew wear blazers and ties at all times, to maximise the absurdity.
  5. Require that skippers be certifiably insane.  The AC was most fun when the skippers were bonkers megalomaniacs

 

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3 hours ago, Amati said:

Having ‘enjoyed’ biased officiating myself (among them a call by the uncle of a competitor that was later proven wrong by photography, for all the good that did),  I’ll have to disagree with you on this one- it’s all subjective unless you have instant recall, and even then…..

For example, last night, I think it was, an Olympic swimmer went past the underwater limit marker, and it was not called, even though it was replayed on NBC’s broadcast.  

Amati,

There is no doubt that either biased or poor officiating can impact the results of the game (as it were).  But to me, a sport has an "objective score."  Score more baskets, more goals, swim faster, etc.  Art is judged to be really good, or not as good.  That is not to say that judged events don't require great athleticism, as many do.  But like ballet, which while it requires a great deal of athletic ability is not a "sport" neither (IMHO) are "sports" such as skateboarding, snowboarding, or gymnastics.  There is no objective scoring.  It's not how fast you go, or how many goals you make, so to me it's not a sport.

Its simplistic, I know.  And it would mean less people watch, so less television interest....so it will never happen...

Crash

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The only true Olympic sports are track and field, contestants stripped naked except for an olive wreath and a penis gourd. Also men only between 18 and 25 with a Grindr account

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3 minutes ago, TwoLegged said:

The Irish bid for cork to be the venue for this circus is sadly still alive, and being backed by the govt. :(

Loads of public money to be spent wrecking the area to make it fit for a ridiculous circus, while ordinary people will be squeezed out.

See https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/munster/arid-40346039.html 

It is really a sad fact the local, regional and higher governments are played off each with the net result giving cash to businesses.  I know it can't be stoped but I dream about it in my country if a law was passed that made it illegal to give tax breaks, incentives and all the other bull shit to companies.  The cresendo in the USA was when Amazon was playing the entire country against each other, city against city.   If everybody just said no then the playing field would be even and the best city, venue, would win, which is they way it should be.    Sorry for the rant.  Carry on.

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33 minutes ago, robalex117 said:

It is really a sad fact the local, regional and higher governments are played off each with the net result giving cash to businesses.  I know it can't be stoped but I dream about it in my country if a law was passed that made it illegal to give tax breaks, incentives and all the other bull shit to companies.  The cresendo in the USA was when Amazon was playing the entire country against each other, city against city.   If everybody just said no then the playing field would be even and the best city, venue, would win, which is they way it should be.    Sorry for the rant.  Carry on.

You our rite......     thissis howe AOC made a name foire herselfe.  Seh stopte the $2,000,000,000 tax creditte that NYC wase geareng up to gifte Jeff Bezose so he coude bringe some lowe payeng jobbs to LIC.

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On 7/26/2021 at 7:30 PM, IPLore said:

The Olympics will be fine.   It has been getting too expensive for decades.    Starting after Rio, there has been a growing impetus to reduce cost and complexity. The number of events and number of competitors in Tokyo is less than Rio and will be down again in Paris. The Covid Olympics will hasten this impetus.  Sailing will bear some of this burden. The number of sailing events is down from a peak of 12 classes in Sydney to 10 classes today. It will likely be reduced after Paris. There were only 7 classes at LA/Long Beach.  Other sports will see similar reductions.    On the revenue side of the equation there will be a shift to younger, spectator relevant sports that preserve ratings.

"Oh Horror!" exclaim the Finn aficionados "But the tradition ?  The class that brought us greats like Elvstrom, Ainslie and Mankin!  What about the heavyweights?"    and the weightlifting and boxing will have more reductions. The 18 separate events that make up wrestling, greco roman and freestyle survived into Paris.....but really ? 18??????

The Olympics is too valuable a franchise and active leisure wear and sneakers are too massive a commercial segment for the Olympics to fade. If it gets in trouble it will be reorganized and better managed . It is just too great and too valuable as a brand.

In comparison, the AC has a small franchise value, It doesnt sell much and it doesnt draw many spectators.  Comparing the Olympics to the AC is like comparing Nike to Golden Goose.    The AC is all about spending a lot of money to win a very prestigious trophy. As long as money wants to win, there will be challenges.  If money loses interest, it will gather dust for a decade or so until money gets interested again.

I suspect that the Olympics will go through a massive revamp post Tokyo.

It is a valuable franchise but it is in real trouble and because its leadership is prestigious rather than meritocratic, it may take time for the ship to change direction.

The facts are that viewership is down by 56% since London in 2012.

That is a horrendous decline.

The value of the TV rights will decline a lot and that will affect the IOC and all the sports associations including World Sailing which is already essentia;;y bankrupt.

 

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On 7/28/2021 at 7:54 PM, IPLore said:

I suspect that the Olympics will go through a massive revamp post Tokyo.

The revamp will be faster and more massive if the professional grafters in charge hire professional entertainers to advise them. Those know that sailing is not viable.
The games, however, will survive while there's money for grafters.

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Ahh The olympics, soooo much infrastructure projects and Taxpayer funded return to work concreting jobs...What state wouldnt enjoy that.

 

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AC foiling is as close to sailing as Formula 1 Grand prix is to your local shitbox derby.