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We're in the market for a new (to us) boat and am sussing out options.  Sailing out of Sunshine Coast and surrounds, needs to be trailerable, fun and fast to sail (no 4ksb), easy to rig and shorthand, accommodate a family of 4 for cruising/overnighters, and able to competitively race in B2B and similar races.  Budget is ~$25k.

Current options are an Elliott 770 (very much a race boat atm so would need to stretch extra $$ to add get some comfort options for the family), or a Beale 780 which ticks most boxes but I'm wary about the fun factor, although they do rate better than a Ross 780 and a Clubman 8 so they can't be too dull.

Anything else I should consider?

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23 minutes ago, F18 Sailor said:

I’d look into something like the Corsair 24 or maybe a F-27, if you’re open to a multihull.

These are/were top of the list...until we get to the budget part, and then I'd have to at least double it unfortunately.  One day I will be able to afford one though!

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9 minutes ago, Torsten said:

These are/were top of the list...until we get to the budget part, and then I'd have to at least double it unfortunately.  One day I will be able to afford one though!

Gotcha. I found a Corsair 24 in the U.S within your budget on yachtworld, but the quick glance suggested another 10 boat bucks were needed to bring her into sailable condition.

Tough time to be boat shopping, the market is as hot as its ever been and logistics costs are up across the board. Good luck!

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25 minutes ago, Mid said:

scratch the accommodation .

Would love to!  Not sure my 7yo is confident enough to trim a kite yet though...

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2 minutes ago, Bill E Goat said:

Elliott 7, fast light with room for 4 and lots of class racing in QLD, for your budget you would get a top boat

Certainly in the running, but can you genuinely fit 4 in the cabin to sleep?  I know the 770 has a stretched 7 hull, but do they share the same size cabin?

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41 minutes ago, Torsten said:

Certainly in the running, but can you genuinely fit 4 in the cabin to sleep?  I know the 770 has a stretched 7 hull, but do they share the same size cabin?

Yep v berth and side berths and huge cockpit, its a bit like camping

770 has the same cabin 

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10 hours ago, F18 Sailor said:

I’d look into something like the Corsair 24 or maybe a F-27, if you’re open to a multihull.

For $25k???

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Rare, and often outa the $range, but the Elliott 7.4 is a great express cruiser... also support the E7, fantastic boat. 

 

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2 hours ago, ALL@SEA said:

Rare, and often outa the $range, but the Elliott 7.4 is a great express cruiser... also support the E7, fantastic boat. 

 

I've been chatting to a guy who has an E7.4 available for sale but I'm not completely au fait with the performance - is it a quick ride like its other Elliott siblings?

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2 hours ago, ALL@SEA said:

Rare, and often outa the $range, but the Elliott 7.4 is a great express cruiser... also support the E7, fantastic boat. 

 

 

24 minutes ago, Torsten said:

I've been chatting to a guy who has an E7.4 available for sale but I'm not completely au fait with the performance - is it a quick ride like its other Elliott siblings?

If you can find a E7.4 then go for it. They are a good all round boat and there isn't many around. The E7.4 "Denis the Menace" won the Bay to Bay overall a few times if I recall. 

 

If you want to go fast and race then a E7 or E780 is the way to go. If you are happy to race and cruise then the E7.40 is a good boat. 

 

The Ross 780 and the Clubman 8 is also a good options as well and there is few of them around as well. 

 

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8 hours ago, Torsten said:

I've been chatting to a guy who has an E7.4 available for sale but I'm not completely au fait with the performance - is it a quick ride like its other Elliott siblings?

I never sailed on a 7.4, but was on a 770 in a windy series where we got beaten every race by a 7.4. the power upwind more than made up for our downwind edge (though I seem to remember spending a lot of time on out ear!). Check out the Elliott 7.4 facebook page, they have a passionate following. 

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5 hours ago, huwp said:

You might want to revisit your budget if you are looking at a clubman or a r780

They're out of scope for that very reason.  The Beale I've been talking to has a lot of similarities to the R780 but at a lesser price.  Could be a goer

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On 8/3/2021 at 2:24 PM, ALL@SEA said:

Just saw this one, probably fits the bill, no prodder though. The 7.4 would be a stiffer, more family friendly boat without losing much in the way of performance.

 https://yachthub.com/list/yachts-for-sale/used/sail-monohulls/elliott-780/265383

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Thanks, I saw that one too and have been emailing the seller to find out more info.  Would certainly be keen if she had a prodder!

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On 7/30/2021 at 3:11 PM, Torsten said:

They're out of scope for that very reason.  The Beale I've been talking to has a lot of similarities to the R780 but at a lesser price.  Could be a goer

You will only get a really old Mk1 Ross 780 for 25k.  Lower headroom and closed transom. 

Your wants and budget don't match.

 

 

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Surprised the Young Rocket 780 hasn't been mentioned too.

We slept a crew of 4 on an Elliott 780 for a week at Hammo one year. The faster speed of the 780 and larger cockpit (with boom tent) more than makes up for the extra headroom forward on a 7.4

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14 minutes ago, bushsailor said:

Yes

Rocket 780 (especially the lightning 8 version) is a huge step up from a E 7 type in terms of usability.

Fast boat, just very tippy though due to the V shaped hull.

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13 hours ago, Jono said:

Surprised the Young Rocket 780 hasn't been mentioned too.

We slept a crew of 4 on an Elliott 780 for a week at Hammo one year. The faster speed of the 780 and larger cockpit (with boom tent) more than makes up for the extra headroom forward on a 7.4

How many slept & how many were simply passed out?

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Ha. One night was the overnight race. Then I actually ended up in the staff quarters as the week progressed with one of the Barefoot Bar staff. She was far nicer than a wet kite.

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if you really don,t want to scare the shit out of your family while sailing don't touch elliotts or ross or clubman. too expensive anyway. a more sedate ride is a noelex, apart from  that trimarans, but again too expensive.

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The Ross 780 has two rig options.

The cruising rig has a shorter mast.  Great option if you do not want to race or scare the ladies.

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On 8/3/2021 at 2:24 PM, ALL@SEA said:

Just saw this one, probably fits the bill, no prodder though. The 7.4 would be a stiffer, more family friendly boat without losing much in the way of performance.

 https://yachthub.com/list/yachts-for-sale/used/sail-monohulls/elliott-780/265383

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Are all E780s made the same?  Aside from the model differences, and mk1/mk2, are they all of a decent build quality?  This one doesn't have any race pedigree so am a little wary...

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1 hour ago, Torsten said:

Are all E780s made the same?  Aside from the model differences, and mk1/mk2, are they all of a decent build quality?  This one doesn't have any race pedigree so am a little wary...

Nah, check out the Elliott 780 facebook page, there's a huge diversity in construction from carbon to wood. I've never heard of a 'bad' one though.

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I'm with Rodlaser on this one. Torsten have you had a sail on an Elliot yet. They can be a handful. if racing you do need a good experienced crew and that can be the biggest issue. Their is a reason Noelex 25's are considered the premier trailer sailer in OZ for a racer cruiser.

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47 minutes ago, neilmac said:

I'm with Rodlaser on this one. Torsten have you had a sail on an Elliot yet. They can be a handful. if racing you do need a good experienced crew and that can be the biggest issue. Their is a reason Noelex 25's are considered the premier trailer sailer in OZ for a racer cruiser.

For cruising I was planning to run smaller headies and a pin top/cut down main, whilst racing would be with experienced crew.

Not a fan of the Noelex, either in looks or performance.  I want a boat that looks good, has the the option of being able to go fast(er), and not be stuck with a generic trailer sailer.  Surely there are other boats out there that fit the criteria?!

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Any trailer yacht should be thought of as a big dinghy, no matter whether it is a Noelex, Ross or Elliott.

That is, where your bodies are when sailing is critical for safety and enjoyment and sheet trim will kill or enhance the experience.

If Torsten is comfortable sailing any dinghy - Laser or Hobie, any TY can be mananged.

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On 8/9/2021 at 5:15 PM, rodlaser said:

if you really don,t want to scare the shit out of your family while sailing don't touch elliotts or ross or clubman. too expensive anyway. a more sedate ride is a noelex, apart from  that trimarans, but again too expensive.

A Noelex will scare the shit out of your car ! 
 

all the elliots mentioned are very well balanced and easy to sail . And you can’t beat open transoms and wide cockpits for cruising .

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17 hours ago, HILLY said:

As you are on the Sunshine Coast, and travelling interstate, (and getting back home), is a shitfight at the moment, have you had a look at this Lidgard 26, ad says its in Mooloolaba..

 https://www.boatsonline.com.au/boats-for-sale/used/trailer-boats/lidgard-26-refurbished-2018/259750

Looks good in the ad.  For the price, can't help thinking there is something not obvious there.

And a boat that light ... 1995, Mmmmm.  Yep that's what it would be worth, less than half a good Ross 780.

 

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20 hours ago, random. said:

Looks good in the ad.  For the price, can't help thinking there is something not obvious there.

And a boat that light ... 1995, Mmmmm.  Yep that's what it would be worth, less than half a good Ross 780.

 

I agree, it looks great

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On 8/21/2021 at 12:15 AM, HILLY said:

As you are on the Sunshine Coast, and travelling interstate, (and getting back home), is a shitfight at the moment, have you had a look at this Lidgard 26, ad says its in Mooloolaba..

 https://www.boatsonline.com.au/boats-for-sale/used/trailer-boats/lidgard-26-refurbished-2018/259750

 

On 8/21/2021 at 5:53 PM, random. said:

Looks good in the ad.  For the price, can't help thinking there is something not obvious there.

And a boat that light ... 1995, Mmmmm.  Yep that's what it would be worth, less than half a good Ross 780.

 

Yeah looks good, am waiting to hear back on it.  Seems almost too well priced?

There seems to be a few very different Lidgard 26 models out there, anyone know more about these ones?

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depending on your desired cross over between sport boat and family cruiser / mini yacht.  Have a look at the Masrm 720, Sonata 6.7 or Sonata 760 sport.  Basically trailerable versions of successful late 80s JOG boats and can punch above their weight when well sailed.

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At a guess it looks like Gary? Lidgards take on the Elliott / Young780 and the Dibley 8m - later vintage than the first 2.

Note the ring frames in the interior. Much better than a bulkhead or post.

Pricing not unreasonable. It is a bit of an orphan, and peole get scared of that. And it's not a screaming fast downwind boat which is all the rage now.

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4 hours ago, SCARECROW said:

depending on your desired cross over between sport boat and family cruiser / mini yacht.  Have a look at the Masrm 720, Sonata 6.7 or Sonata 760 sport.  Basically trailerable versions of successful late 80s JOG boats and can punch above their weight when well sailed.

A Adams 8 is also another consideration. Although the cabin is small they were designed to keep up with the 32ft in Sydney Harbour and can match against bigger yachts. 

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The Ross 780 for sale in Goolwa South Aus is an older one that’s been fully refurbished, has a wardrobe of sails and fits your budget, it was nearly mine but I went for headroom and a seperate head for the boss so got an RL28. The RL28 is raced in South Aus, they are not super fast but they are comfortable

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