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After all this discussion over the last few years I the media and places like this there isn’t any real evidence that suggests M11 boats  (hulls) are faster.  
 

No one seems to addressing the real issue in the class of inboard job sheeting. The last few years have seen a significant number of boats move their job sheeting systems onboard. This requires some significant hardware changes and new sails. 
 

This generally impact of this change is the ability for these boats to sail higher upwind - a very useful trait off the start line and in close boat on boat situations on the beats. 
 

At this point we have two types of Etchells. To stay competitive one needs to spend time and money to make changes to a one design boat. 
 

This change is a lot more performance enhancing than a new hull and really makes a mockery of the OD concept. That fact that all the top guys are doing it and most of the class leadership tend to be from the pointy end they don’t doesn’t seem realise that they are creating a 2 tier fleet.  Those with inboard sheeting and those without. 
 

When is this going to be addressed or does the class not care?

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Never met an owner yet that didn't want to improve his boat.

With one design classes this can be a little more thought provoking,  many have a very one eyed way if "interpreting" what they think,  (or they think someone told them),  what the rule is.

Then there are those who think that all is fair until you get caught & then you blame someone else.

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On 8/14/2021 at 11:45 PM, Inshallah said:

After all this discussion over the last few years I the media and places like this there isn’t any real evidence that suggests M11 boats  (hulls) are faster.  
 

No one seems to addressing the real issue in the class of inboard job sheeting. The last few years have seen a significant number of boats move their job sheeting systems onboard. This requires some significant hardware changes and new sails. 
 

This generally impact of this change is the ability for these boats to sail higher upwind - a very useful trait off the start line and in close boat on boat situations on the beats. 
 

At this point we have two types of Etchells. To stay competitive one needs to spend time and money to make changes to a one design boat. 
 

This change is a lot more performance enhancing than a new hull and really makes a mockery of the OD concept. That fact that all the top guys are doing it and most of the class leadership tend to be from the pointy end they don’t doesn’t seem realise that they are creating a 2 tier fleet.  Those with inboard sheeting and those without. 
 

When is this going to be addressed or does the class not care?

I have an early 1000's series boat that has the dog system on it. Did the work myself and didn't cost much more than than the new harken gear and the Dog mouldings. big difference between jib sheeting system's and mould 11 mess. 

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9 hours ago, Broseidon said:

I have an early 1000's series boat that has the dog system on it. Did the work myself and didn't cost much more than than the new harken gear and the Dog mouldings. big difference between jib sheeting system's and mould 11 mess. 

Seems that the jib sheeting matter is within the rules also.  Quite a different kettle of fish.

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4 hours ago, Recidivist said:

Seems that the jib sheeting matter is within the rules also.  Quite a different kettle of fish.

yes - within the rules, but is it good for the class? The mould 11 boats are within the rules as well - they all measure! The issue is with the mould not being legal.

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32 minutes ago, Inshallah said:

yes - within the rules, but is it good for the class? The mould 11 boats are within the rules as well - they all measure! The issue is with the mould not being legal.

So you did not read what your fleet captain sent you then!

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Oops none of them are legal

https://www.sail-world.com/news/242634/Etchells-–-Which-one-is-the-cheater-boat-now

Imagine then the surprise when it was recently discovered that the very same question now exists in respect of the US and UK moulds, better known as moulds #8 and #10. As with Mould 11, it would appear there is no historical evidence that any Etchells mould has ever been approved by World Sailing (ISAF). My, my. Under the same ruling, unmercifully handed down by the International Class governing body in March, it would now seem that no Etchells from the three current builders is actually an Etchells.

Letter-to-IECA_30-Sep-2021.pdf

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On 10/9/2021 at 3:37 AM, Bill E Goat said:

Oops none of them are legal

https://www.sail-world.com/news/242634/Etchells-–-Which-one-is-the-cheater-boat-now

Imagine then the surprise when it was recently discovered that the very same question now exists in respect of the US and UK moulds, better known as moulds #8 and #10. As with Mould 11, it would appear there is no historical evidence that any Etchells mould has ever been approved by World Sailing (ISAF). My, my. Under the same ruling, unmercifully handed down by the International Class governing body in March, it would now seem that no Etchells from the three current builders is actually an Etchells.

Letter-to-IECA_30-Sep-2021.pdf 137.26 kB · 12 downloads

Under researched article based on information from some pretty biased individuals.... World Sailing and IECA release statement yesterday in regards to that article. Only place where this is a massive issue is Australia. North American and UK fleets remain strong with some decent COVID turnouts at events. 

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7 hours ago, Broseidon said:

Under researched article based on information from some pretty biased individuals.... World Sailing and IECA release statement yesterday in regards to that article. Only place where this is a massive issue is Australia. North American and UK fleets remain strong with some decent COVID turnouts at events. 

Any link

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6 hours ago, Broseidon said:

Sail-World has since removed the article. 

In other words “fake news”  aimed at distracting from the real dishonesty.

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World Sailing has issued a statement stating that the moulds 8 and 10 that were queried by the Australian Journalist are legal, turns out the Journalist forgot to check his facts, maybe time he had a desk job

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On 8/6/2021 at 10:33 AM, Stumps said:

So the Class decides to build a new mould 10 years ago
Plug built – World Sailing International Measurer says OK
Mould built – World Sailing International Measurer says OK
Prototype built – World Sailing International Measurer says OK
Lots of boats built - World Sailing International Measurer certifies, Australian Sailing certifies, World Sailing issues plaques and collects lots of fees
8 years go by
Australians dominate 2019 Worlds with lumpy, bumpy hulls against the speed shopped US boats
US sailors not happy, opposition builders see an opportunity
Ooo! We can’t find a piece of paper in World Sailing archives! What luck 
Oooo! Now we can destroy all mould 11 boats and the mould and the Australian Etchells scene – they're too strong anyway
Boats still measure easily, bugger
Ooooo! We’ll change the measurement rules without consulting the members or World Sailing.  We got ‘em now, whoopy.  We’re from the US and Cowes, we rule, we know how to win at all cost, to hell with the Class, owners and members and what's best for members, our domination must continue
Where’ssssss World Sailing?  Hiding in the back room of that plush office in London or maybe having a good time in Tokyo to pay the bills?
Etchells – great Class, great racing, appalling leadership
Cross fingers that real Etchells sailors win through 

So did you work on the mould itself or just bought one of the boats?

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On 8/15/2021 at 1:45 PM, Inshallah said:

This generally impact of this change is the ability for these boats to sail higher upwind - a very useful trait off the start line and in close boat on boat situations on the beats.

Have you just completed 'sailing 101'?

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