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4 minutes ago, Tharsheblows said:

Also, I did not say that Sweden's death rate was great or that Sweden fared well. I merely stated that  "I believe he was questioning where you got the assumption that 0.27 percent of the population would die by implying that that number is higher than the death rate of Sweden"

That's correct.

If you look at excess deaths in Sweden over the period of the pandemic it is 2%.  Their strategy was touted by many as leading to a disaster.  That was when Sweden was about 20th on the global score card of deaths per population.

According to Worldometer it is now 50th.

Even without vaccination and assuming NZ would have the same excess mortality rate as Sweden the toll from Covid would be less than 1,000.

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I got my booster shot this morning and now totally understand the anti-vaxxers!  For starters, it took almost ten minutes from start to finish. I don’t have time for that. On top of that, it was free.

An excerpt from an excellent interview covering almost everything Covid https://www.houstonchronicle.com/news/houston-texas/health/article/covid-expert-ben-neuman-vaccines-can-beat-variant-16412468.ph

Got home to Florida from Maine Sunday night. Walked into the Publix supermarket pharmacy five minutes from our house this morning with our vax cards in hand, got our Pfizer boosters, and did our groce

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10 minutes ago, Tharsheblows said:

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Whether you like Sweden's strategy or not, it is true that they took less precautions than most of the first world countries

 Not even close to true.

Go and look on Sweden's own Ministry of Health web page, they authorized local institutions to decide on lockdowns for themselves and gave some guidelines on making the decision. Net result, Sweden had more lockdowns than the USA, -and- those lockdowns were effective because people complied readily.

What Sweden did NOT have: mobs of boneheads were not marching around with weapons threatening their local gov't.

- DSK

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18 hours ago, Terry Hollis said:

You must be living in la la land if you think the money that the Government is using to prop up business via wage subsidies is being spent on property investment. 

But @Terry Hollis you have been spruiking how well NZ's GDP is going when the stats show that it is being bolstered by property price inflation!!!!  So if the Quantitative Easing (QE) isn't driving that (theory says it is) what is?

18 hours ago, Terry Hollis said:

Some business will fail, as they have always done, and that will happen with or without the support of Government, specially in the travel and hospitality industries which has diminished just because we have a pandemic which discourages people from doing the things they used to do.

In record numbers in an economy you say is doing fantastic!!!  Economic reality isn't just affecting travel and hospitality industries.  

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5 minutes ago, Steam Flyer said:

Go and look on Sweden's own Ministry of Health web page, they authorized local institutions to decide on lockdowns for themselves and gave some guidelines on making the decision. Net result, Sweden had more lockdowns than the USA, -and- those lockdowns were effective because people complied readily.

 

Your data to support that supposition comes from where?

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3 minutes ago, Kate short for Bob said:
9 minutes ago, Steam Flyer said:

Go and look on Sweden's own Ministry of Health web page, they authorized local institutions to decide on lockdowns for themselves and gave some guidelines on making the decision. Net result, Sweden had more lockdowns than the USA, -and- those lockdowns were effective because people complied readily.

 

Your data to support that supposition comes from where?

I thought this was pretty obvious.

Or, keep repeating your RWNJ fables...

- DSK

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15 minutes ago, Steam Flyer said:

Go and look on Sweden's own Ministry of Health web page, they authorized local institutions to decide on lockdowns for themselves and gave some guidelines on making the decision. Net result, Sweden had more lockdowns than the USA, -and- those lockdowns were effective because people complied readily.

Where is the data to support your statement?

Sweden didn't close down schools and daycare for young children.  I would have thought that that was fundamental to your case for "effective" lockdowns.

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44 minutes ago, Kate short for Bob said:

Where is the data to support your statement?

Sweden didn't close down schools and daycare for young children.  I would have thought that that was fundamental to your case for "effective" lockdowns.

Moving the goalposts? How young is "young children." You said NO LOCKDOWNS in Sweden, now you're saying well yeah they did but not "schools and young children."

Look on Sweden's own health ministry web page, and get the facts.

Or keep repeating your favorite fairy tales, I don't really care.

- DSK

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4 minutes ago, Tharsheblows said:

 

For better or worse, it is absolutely true that Sweden imposed less Draconian measures than most first world countries.  Half the conversation about Sweden over the last few years has been criticizing them for being irresponsible for doing so. 

Sure, you can point to differences in culture and compliance behavior and hypothesize that that's the reason why they fared better than countries with more restrictive policies ...but such hypotheses are pretty hard to prove because there are probably many contributing factors.

Spin it how you want but the statement that: "Sweden imposed less Draconian measures than most first world countries and is in the middle of the pack as far a death rate compared to the rest of the European Economic Zone" is absolutely true.

 

While there are many ways to measure and compare lock-downs, here is a bit about schools in Sweden that wouldn't be true about the US.

"Swedish preschools and schools for 6- to 16-year-olds have stayed open during the pandemic, with a few exceptions. The Public Health Agency of Sweden made the assessment that closing all schools in Sweden would not be a meaningful measure, based on an analysis of the situation in Sweden and possible consequences for the entire society."

Here is the link.

https://sweden.se/life/society/sweden-and-corona-in-brief

 

The statement about Sweden's lockdowns becomes false when examined as support for your premise, that lockdowns somehow don't work. If looked at in greater detail (which I actually have not done since much earlier this year, but what they did up to that time is still perfectly true), you see that local communities imposed total and complete lockdowns when they felt necessary.

I dunno why you RWNJs want to make a song and dance about schools & lockdowns now, I guess having had one set of facts that are contrary to your fairy tale shoved down your lying throats, you want to salvage something.

Fine. Sweden didn't lock down schools. Now do your end-zone dance and go get vaccinated.

- DSK

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5 minutes ago, Steam Flyer said:

Moving the goalposts? How young is "young children." You said NO LOCKDOWNS in Sweden, now you're saying well yeah they did but not "schools and young children."

Look on Sweden's own health ministry web page, and get the facts.

Or keep repeating your favorite fairy tales, I don't really care.

- DSK

I have looked at the https://www.folkhalsomyndigheten.se/the-public-health-agency-of-sweden/ frequently.

I've also looked at numerous sources of comparative data.  

Essentially your assertion isn't matched by the data.  

My reference to the schools not locking down is to try and ascertain what you deem to be a lockdown?  If schools and day care are open and parents are taking their kids to school/day care and still going to work it doesn't constitute much of a lockdown does it?

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On 10/7/2021 at 8:39 AM, Kate short for Bob said:

"Without some changes"!  Hell you have been the one saying how great the New Zealand economy was doing reapeating the BS from the Finance Minister while ignoring the fundamentals!  Record numbers of businesses going bust, GDP driven by printed money being spent on the non productive inflation of property prices and the purchase of motor vehicles.  Public and private debt levels increasing at record rates.

The chickens are coming home to roost now.  The reality is being felt by the rank and file.  All of which was predictable.

You must be living in la la land if you think the money that the Government is using to prop up business via wage subsidies is being spent on property investment. 

Wages continue to be spent by the vast majority of the population on the consumables needed to stay alive.

Some business will fail, as they have always done, and that will happen with or without the support of Government, specially in the travel and hospitality industries which has diminished just because we have a pandemic which discourages people from doing the things they used to do.

4 hours ago, Kate short for Bob said:

But @Terry Hollis you have been spruiking how well NZ's GDP is going when the stats show that it is being bolstered by property price inflation!!!!  So if the Quantitative Easing (QE) isn't driving that (theory says it is) what is?

In record numbers in an economy you say is doing fantastic!!!  Economic reality isn't just affecting travel and hospitality industries.  

The property market is driven by a shortage of housing combined with greedy speculators, it has nothing to do with the pandemic, it has been out of control long before the pandemic started. 

I stand by my statement that the wage subsidy has no effect on the property market, it helps employers to stay in business and it helps wage earners to continue their normal spending and keep other businesses alive, a win win for everyone.

I have never said that the economy is "fantastic!!!" that's your word, I avoid the use of superlatives as they contribute nothing to the facts as any professional knows. 

The economy is doing better than the economy of most countries as measured by the debt/GDP ratio.

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Got home to Florida from Maine Sunday night. Walked into the Publix supermarket pharmacy five minutes from our house this morning with our vax cards in hand, got our Pfizer boosters, and did our grocery shopping. Didn't even have to sign up online.

Easy Peasy.

Two more "elderly" Americans trying to be part of the solution, rather than part of the problem.

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Wife got 50mg Moderna booster yesterday, no sore arm like first dose and no one-day malaize like second shot. I got my 50mg Moderna booster today. Feeling good. Got flu shot in other arm for comparison. Both walk-in at Walmart, took about 30 minutes total.

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On 10/7/2021 at 9:01 PM, Terry Hollis said:

You must be living in la la land if you think the money that the Government is using to prop up business via wage subsidies is being spent on property investment. 

Wages continue to be spent by the vast majority of the population on the consumables needed to stay alive.

Some business will fail, as they have always done, and that will happen with or without the support of Government, specially in the travel and hospitality industries which has diminished just because we have a pandemic which discourages people from doing the things they used to do.

The property market is driven by a shortage of housing combined with greedy speculators, it has nothing to do with the pandemic, it has been out of control long before the pandemic started. 

I stand by my statement that the wage subsidy has no effect on the property market, it helps employers to stay in business and it helps wage earners to continue their normal spending and keep other businesses alive, a win win for everyone.

I have never said that the economy is "fantastic!!!" that's your word, I avoid the use of superlatives as they contribute nothing to the facts as any professional knows. 

The economy is doing better than the economy of most countries as measured by the debt/GDP ratio.

Asset price inflation has been supercharged by ultra low interest rates 

other factors like available housing stock are also significant 

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1 hour ago, TheDragon said:

Wife got 50mg Moderna booster yesterday, no sore arm like first dose and no one-day malaize like second shot. I got my 50mg Moderna booster today. Feeling good. Got flu shot in other arm for comparison. Both walk-in at Walmart, took about 30 minutes total.

My wife got her's on Friday. Had a fever on Saturday and no energy to do anything. Mine was scheduled for tonight but I delayed it until Friday, since I have a busy work week and can't afford to be laid low.

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Mr. Eye got booster at 6.00pm today.   He is receiving ESPN from the chip in his left arm and is as happy as a clam.

I finally made my decision and will get a booster at 12 noon tomorrow.   I am under the age requirement but I qualify due to my work.

Mr. Eye made his decision in his usual science based manner. "If you are getting a booster, Im having one" based on his principal that we sink or swim together.  If he was not such a lovely man, I would punch him. 

He would rather die than read these threads.

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On 10/6/2021 at 6:00 PM, Gissie said:

True, not having that many deaths is a benefit. But how real is the number today with the changes in treatment and vaccination. 

The point I was trying to make is that at some point we need to stop living in total fear, that we need to stop believing we can save everybody. Our reaction of elimination was great at the beginning, but we need to come up with a plan to move on. As was pointed out recently with regards to our plan - hope is not a strategy.

Covid is endemic  

everyone on earth will contract Covid , just like everyone will contract the flu 

time to tone down the hysteria 

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9 minutes ago, slug zitski said:

Covid is endemic  

everyone on earth will contract Covid , just like everyone will contract the flu 

time to tone down the hysteria 

First of all, no.

Not everyone on Earth with contract covid. Realistic number between 75~95%

Secondly, if that >75% of everyone on Earth catches it within a 1 year time frame, hundreds of millions die and civilization is severely hampered if not grinding to a halt. If the pandemic is spread over 3 years (ideally more) then only a few million die and we continue on, hopefully smarter.

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My 96-yo WWII vet dad is poised to get his 5th shot next week.  As we told him at dinner tonight, he is conducting his own science experiment on himself.  He knows the risks, as a retired research pharmacologist.

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5 hours ago, Steam Flyer said:

Secondly, if that >75% of everyone on Earth catches it within a 1 year time frame, hundreds of millions die and civilization is severely hampered if not grinding to a halt.

So it will beat climate change to the punch. :lol:

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2 hours ago, Gissie said:

So it will beat climate change to the punch. :lol:

What happens when half of everybody is down, sick? Half the doctors, out... meaning that a LOT more people will die... half the cops, half the truck drivers bringing groceries into the cities...

This scenario started to play out on a small scale, in a few places. Apparently you weren't paying attention.

CoVid-19 is one of the historic plagues. I bet you don't know much about history, either.

- DSK

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10 hours ago, EYESAILOR said:

Mr. Eye got booster at 6.00pm today.   He is receiving ESPN from the chip in his left arm and is as happy as a clam.

I finally made my decision and will get a booster at 12 noon tomorrow.   I am under the age requirement but I qualify due to my work.

Mr. Eye made his decision in his usual science based manner. "If you are getting a booster, Im having one" based on his principal that we sink or swim together.  If he was not such a lovely man, I would punch him. 

He would rather die than read these threads.

He sounds like a smart man.

Did he have to pay extra to get ESPN via the booster nanochip? I'm only getting PBS and re-runs of Gilligan's Island on mine.

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10 hours ago, slug zitski said:

Covid is endemic  

everyone on earth will contract Covid , just like everyone will contract the flu 

time to tone down the hysteria 

We don't know if SARS Covid 2 will become globally endemic or not.. We are speculating. It partly depends on us and it partly depends on how the virus mutates.

 

 

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1 minute ago, accnick said:

He sounds like a smart man.

Did he have to pay extra to get ESPN via the booster nanochip? I'm only getting PBS and re-runs of Gilligan's Island on mine.

This morning he woke up with chills, a body ache and a headache. I left him with Tylenol and a thermos of hot lemon . 

He is a good man. I lucked out.

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25 minutes ago, EYESAILOR said:

We don't know if SARS Covid 2 will become globally endemic or not.. We are speculating. It partly depends on us and it partly depends on how the virus mutates.

 

 

Africa is largely unvaccinated 

how will you eliminate Covid globally 

 

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25 minutes ago, slug zitski said:

Africa is largely unvaccinated 

how will you eliminate Covid globally 

 

Certain viruses still exist in regions such as Africa but have been eliminated elsewhere. they are not considered "globally endemic".  Other viruses have been eliminated everywhere and are considered "globally eradicated"

We have eliminated smallpox and polio from Africa through massive vaccination programs.  Smallpox is considered globally eradicated. Polio still exists in certain countries but is not considered globally endemic. It has, for example, been eradicated in the US.

Again I dont have a forecast for SARS Covid 2  but I do think it is in the best interest of developed nations to fund vaccination in Africa because unless it is contained in Africa, it will recur elsewhere.

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1 hour ago, EYESAILOR said:

Certain viruses still exist in regions such as Africa but have been eliminated elsewhere. they are not considered "globally endemic".  Other viruses have been eliminated everywhere and are considered "globally eradicated"

We have eliminated smallpox and polio from Africa through massive vaccination programs.  Smallpox is considered globally eradicated. Polio still exists in certain countries but is not considered globally endemic. It has, for example, been eradicated in the US.

Again I dont have a forecast for SARS Covid 2  but I do think it is in the best interest of developed nations to fund vaccination in Africa because unless it is contained in Africa, it will recur elsewhere.

The polio vaccine prevents infection , transmission and disease 

the Covid vaccine only prevents disease 

Covid is primarily a respiratory disease 

polio is primarily a gut disease 

the flu hasn’t been eradicated , Covid will not be eradicated 

the best that can be done is to protect vulnerable people from Covid , then let the rest get on with life 

 

 

 

 

 

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50 minutes ago, 666steve said:

What is it with this "Covid"?

 

The Spanish Flu lasted less than 2 years, then vanished...never to be seen again.

 

Ditto with the Asian Flu and Hong Kong Flus. Each killed millions of people, then vanished well inside 2 years. No vaccines required.

 

It seems our political masters have a plan when they state that "Covid" will be with us for many years.

I still get an annual shot for the "spanish flu" - or - at least it's follow on waves. 

 

What’s even more remarkable about the 1918 flu, say infectious disease experts, is that it never really went away. After infecting an estimated 500 million people worldwide in 1918 and 1919 (a third of the global population), the H1N1 strain that caused the Spanish flu receded into the background and stuck around as the regular seasonal flu.

But every so often, direct descendants of the 1918 flu combined with bird flu or swine flu to create powerful new pandemic strains, which is exactly what happened in 1957, 1968 and 2009. Those later flu outbreaks, all created in part by the 1918 virus, claimed millions of additional lives, earning the 1918 flu the odious title of “the mother of all pandemics.

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Okay, so my covid arm is as sore today as with the first shot, and I feel under the weather, but no fever as with the second shot. Flu arm is just slightly sore, as usual. I'm glad to get this booster as I hope to be travelling a lot for the next 12 months and don't want to risk covid in strange places.

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6 hours ago, Steam Flyer said:

What happens when half of everybody is down, sick? Half the doctors, out... meaning that a LOT more people will die... half the cops, half the truck drivers bringing groceries into the cities...

This scenario started to play out on a small scale, in a few places. Apparently you weren't paying attention.

CoVid-19 is one of the historic plagues. I bet you don't know much about history, either.

- DSK

And if the world's temperature rose 5 degrees in a year all hell would be let loose. So what, it hasn't and it won't so why should I bother losing sleep over it.

I may not know much about history, but you sure as fuck know lots about fairy tales. Hiding under your bed because the sky is falling.

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1 hour ago, Gissie said:

And if the world's temperature rose 5 degrees in a year all hell would be let loose. So what, it hasn't and it won't so why should I bother losing sleep over it.

I may not know much about history, but you sure as fuck know lots about fairy tales. Hiding under your bed because the sky is falling.

No, imbecile

The sky is not falling. A very contagious disease has killed a tremendous heaping metric shit-pile of people.

That's fine by you, right?

- DSK

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1 hour ago, Steam Flyer said:

No, imbecile

The sky is not falling. A very contagious disease has killed a tremendous heaping metric shit-pile of people.

That's fine by you, right?

- DSK

You went on about what would happen of >75% got the virus in a one year period. Who cares, it hasn't happened and is not going to happen. So fear monger away my dear, lose sleep about the impossible. No fucks given this end.

As for what has happened, sure lots have died, it is a bummer on a world wide scale. Will it cause me to lose sleep over it, no way dearie. What is the point of worrying yourself to death over something you can not change. Do what you can to protect yourself and get on with shit.

Whimper under the bed about how life is just so unfair as much as you desire if it makes you think it helps. The reality, as I often told my kids, life is not meant to be fair. Life is just life, it is up to you to decide how to live it. Choices and responsibility is what makes life. Personally I want to get what I can out of my remaining years, being a pussy is not part of that. Worrying about shit I can not change, not on my radar in the slightest.

I can sleep well in the knowledge that people like you will do more than enough worrying and bleating to make up for my missing bit. Thanks for your service dearie.

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3 hours ago, Raz'r said:

 

What’s even more remarkable about the 1918 flu, say infectious disease experts, is that it never really went away. ...the H1N1 strain that caused the Spanish flu ...stuck around as the regular seasonal flu.

But every so often, direct descendants of the 1918 flu combined with bird flu or swine flu to create powerful new pandemic strains, which is exactly what happened in 1957, 1968 and 2009.

You didn't quote your source, but it was History.com , and sadly not entirely accurate.

The 1957 flu was indeed a terrible flu pandemic but it was not a direct descendant of the H1N1 spanish flu virus.  It was a novel virus , that originated in China (sound familiar?) in late 1956. China did not alert the rest of the world (sound familiar?) and it was not until it arrived in Hong Kong and Singapore in March/April that the world was alerted to the threat.

It arrived in the US and the UK in June 1957 (this was all before air travel was common place) .  The US owes a debt of gratitude to Maurice Hillman who identified the H2N2 virus before it arrived, developed a vaccine which was then widely adopted and contained the epidemic with a fraction of the loss of life that might otherwise have been expected. The vaccine was sent to the UK arriving shortly before Mr. Eye's oldest brother was born, and helped curtail the epidemic in the UK. It was an era when the public citizens of the USA trusted science and worked with not against their public health servants. As a result the US portion of the pandemic was over by early 1958.

1968 was a descendant of H2N2 .

2009 was indeed a resurfacing of a descendant of the Spanish flu and frankly caught us napping.   Older people (over 60) had better immunity than people under 60, which indicates that they had developed immunity several decades earlier. Current vaccines , and seasonal flu exposure over the previous 40-50 years did not provide immunity.

 

 

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4 hours ago, TheDragon said:

Okay, so my covid arm is as sore today as with the first shot, and I feel under the weather, but no fever as with the second shot. Flu arm is just slightly sore, as usual. I'm glad to get this booster as I hope to be travelling a lot for the next 12 months and don't want to risk covid in strange places.

Stay well Dragon!

Tylenol is your friend and plenty of water.

Water= The wonder drug that the FDA has never granted an EUA or Approval :)

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I received my booster shot at 12.00 noon yesterday. 

I have 3 lines on my vaccine card.  I am super woman, ultra resistant to the virus. 

I took some time to decide.  Its a good feeling.

 

 

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15 minutes ago, EYESAILOR said:

I received my booster shot at 12.00 noon yesterday. 

I have 3 lines on my vaccine card.  I am super woman, ultra resistant to the virus. 

I took some time to decide.  Its a good feeling.

 

 

Welcome to the club.

Two weeks yesterday since we had our boosters. Went in yesterday and got the quadrivalent flu vaccine. They offered that to us when we got our Covid boosters, but we decide to wait so we could isolate any side effects to one or the other of the vaccines.

It is dead simple here in FL to get either/both. We walked into the local Publix pharmacy (our regular  place for prescriptions) with no appointments, and were done in both cases in 15 minutes or less.

It was dramatically easier than the Hunger Games we had to play in January to get the first Covid vaccination.

Maybe it will become like the yearly flu vaccine. I have no problem with that, as long as the nanobots don't interfere with my wifi.

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15 hours ago, EYESAILOR said:

Stay well Dragon!

Tylenol is your friend and plenty of water.

Water= The wonder drug that the FDA has never granted an EUA or Approval :)

Thanks! Back to normal today, yesterday lacked energy and generally laid around all day. Much the same effects as my second shot. And yes, I need to drink more water each day, in part to forestall more kidney stones.

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16 hours ago, EYESAILOR said:

You didn't quote your source, but it was History.com , and sadly not entirely accurate.

The 1957 flu was indeed a terrible flu pandemic but it was not a direct descendant of the H1N1 spanish flu virus.  It was a novel virus , that originated in China (sound familiar?) in late 1956. China did not alert the rest of the world (sound familiar?) and it was not until it arrived in Hong Kong and Singapore in March/April that the world was alerted to the threat.

It arrived in the US and the UK in June 1957 (this was all before air travel was common place) .  The US owes a debt of gratitude to Maurice Hillman who identified the H2N2 virus before it arrived, developed a vaccine which was then widely adopted and contained the epidemic with a fraction of the loss of life that might otherwise have been expected. The vaccine was sent to the UK arriving shortly before Mr. Eye's oldest brother was born, and helped curtail the epidemic in the UK. It was an era when the public citizens of the USA trusted science and worked with not against their public health servants. As a result the US portion of the pandemic was over by early 1958.

1968 was a descendant of H2N2 .

2009 was indeed a resurfacing of a descendant of the Spanish flu and frankly caught us napping.   Older people (over 60) had better immunity than people under 60, which indicates that they had developed immunity several decades earlier. Current vaccines , and seasonal flu exposure over the previous 40-50 years did not provide immunity.

 

 

When I read sentences like “fraction of the loss of life that would have been otherwise expected” ( or something to that effect), I realize that economics is not the only dismal science.  Life in the Gravity Well…

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Went in to urgent care in Manchester VT for a heart scare this past Sunday, turned out to be nothing but while there I grabbed my Moderna booster and a flu shot. Had same soreness in arm, and as of this morning had a fraction of the spaciness and general malaise that kept me in bed for 24 hours after shot #2. So far so good. I do have these scales starting to grow at the base of my skull…good thing the kid likes lizards!

Oh and my Verizon iPhone is working amazingly well. Signal just seems a little stronger. 

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3 minutes ago, MR.CLEAN said:

Went in to urgent care in Manchester VT for a heart scare this past Sunday, turned out to be nothing but while there I grabbed my Moderna booster and a flu shot. Had same soreness in arm, and as of this morning had a fraction of the spaciness and general malaise that kept me in bed for 24 hours after shot #2. So far so good. I do have these scales starting to grow at the base of my skull…good thing the kid likes lizards!

Oh and my Verizon iPhone is working amazingly well. Signal just seems a little stronger. 

We live the next island over from one of Bill Gates’ houses.  It is common knowledge amongst the vaccinated here that we all collectively feel better when he is in residence.  

(Did I say that right, Bill?). 

;)

Sorry to hear about the heart scare.  

 

 

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Went in for the boost yesterday, but funny thing, they had recently opened it up for "drive in" appointments. I had a regular appointment, so didn't think about it. 3 hour wait. They've changed back to appointment only, so will reschedule.  Funny how if you require an appointment, they don't get as many folks as they want, and when they open it up, there's a crush.

 

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3 hours ago, accnick said:

Welcome to the club.

Two weeks yesterday since we had our boosters. Went in yesterday and got the quadrivalent flu vaccine. They offered that to us when we got our Covid boosters, but we decide to wait so we could isolate any side effects to one or the other of the vaccines.

It is dead simple here in FL to get either/both. We walked into the local Publix pharmacy (our regular  place for prescriptions) with no appointments, and were done in both cases in 15 minutes or less.

It was dramatically easier than the Hunger Games we had to play in January to get the first Covid vaccination.

Maybe it will become like the yearly flu vaccine. I have no problem with that, as long as the nanobots don't interfere with my wifi.

Did you start growing a tail yet?

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Last week boosters were only available for those who had Pfizer, this week it's open so getting mine this afternoon - by appointment, the good news is no waiting around.  If you never hear from me again that might be why.  Because it will make me smarter, better looking and wealthy so I will have a better group to hang with.

Prolly be back tomorrow.

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5 hours ago, EYESAILOR said:

I received my booster shot at 12.00 noon yesterday. 

I have 3 lines on my vaccine card.  I am super woman, ultra resistant to the virus. 

I took some time to decide.  Its a good feeling.

 

 

Literally no side effects. Still nothing, 24 hours later. I had covid booster in one arm and flu in the other.   Mr Eye felt out of sorts for a full 48 hours and still had a headache and body ache when I left for work this am.

I reassured him , that his was a better indication, because his strong reaction shows that he developed a lot of anti bodies from his first regimen. His anti bodies are all upset and up in arms as they recognise the nasty spike proteins again.  The complete indifference that my antibodies have shown to the booster shot means they are either AWOL or indifferent.   I also had no reaction at all to my second shot and wondered at the time whether it was a dose or a misplaced placebo. 

However the improved reception for the Disney Channel seems to indicate that I have the real thing.

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18 hours ago, SCARECROW said:

Shot no. 3 in 2 hours time.  Can those who have had it confirm that 3.0 offers better 5G reception than 1.0 and 2.0?  I've been very disappointed to date and actually had to use the TV remote last night.

I cannot confirm because I only have a 4G brain. I am waiting to upgrade to 5G when prices come down.

In the meantime I  subscribed for HULU while at the clinic and the colors and sharpness on Euphoria are much better after the booster shot. The only downside is that you have to listen to a public service announcement from Bill Gates before the series starts and some political ads between episodes. It could be worse, I understand the Pfizer booster comes with endless loops of a video of Trump getting vaccinated and Biden announcing his booster program before the FDA approved it..   

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On 10/26/2021 at 9:49 AM, 666steve said:

What is it with this "Covid"?

 

The Spanish Flu lasted less than 2 years, then vanished...never to be seen again.

 

Ditto with the Asian Flu and Hong Kong Flus. Each killed millions of people, then vanished well inside 2 years. No vaccines required.

 

It seems our political masters have a plan when they state that "Covid" will be with us for many years.

Only the truly paranoid believe that this pandemic is a political manipulation.  Get some help.  

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BC announced a booster program for the general population yesterday - we already had one for vulnerable individuals.  I will be eligible in January and will definitely be getting it.  A few weeks later I may travel to somewhere warm to get away from the stuff in my screen name. 

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38 minutes ago, EYESAILOR said:

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However the improved reception for the Disney Channel seems to indicate that I have the real thing.

I've run up quite a winning streak on my neighbor's kids Playstation. It's almost like I can control the fighters on the screen just by thi..... umm, no that can't be it

And the third eyeball on the stalk growing out my forehead has really come in handy, too

- DSK

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23 minutes ago, EYESAILOR said:

Oh there is a lot you can learn from the Disney Channell

Is that where you were taught as a medical professional to assess whether a medical treatment was necessary before dispensing it?  For example did you get your blood tested for antibody levels to determine if you needed a booster shot?

Are you booked in for your fourth shot yet?  I note some on here have been able to get 5 shots so I guess they will be going for their 6th free shot at Walmart.

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1 hour ago, Kate short for Bob said:

Is that where you were taught as a medical professional to assess whether a medical treatment was necessary before dispensing it?  For example did you get your blood tested for antibody levels to determine if you needed a booster shot?

Are you booked in for your fourth shot yet?  I note some on here have been able to get 5 shots so I guess they will be going for their 6th free shot at Walmart.

KSFB, please lay out your plan for getting out of this mess and “Sweden” is not a plan.

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2 hours ago, Kate short for Bob said:

... I note some on here have been able to get 5 shots so I guess they will be going for their 6th free shot at Walmart.

I note that you are still telling untruths, because the actual truth makes you look like an idiot.

Pro Tip- you're not doing a heck of a lot better with lies

- DSK

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1 hour ago, cyclone said:

Third shot at 9 am. Shoulder is sore. Waiting to receive total consciousness.

2:15pm. A bit of a twinge right now. Maybe some buzzing in the fillings as they align to be a new antenna.

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25 minutes ago, Raz'r said:

2:15pm. A bit of a twinge right now. Maybe some buzzing in the fillings as they align to be a new antenna.

The capabilities of the booster are truly amazing once you figure out how to use them all . I am writing this very post, nowhere near a keyboard ... or a computer for that matter or a smart phone.  Bill Gates has truly excelled himself this time and my Apple watch is obsolete Oven on .400 convention heat    oops sorry about that still havent quite figured out how to ...incoming call .... Oh Dear, where is the mute function.

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9 hours ago, MR.CLEAN said:

Went in to urgent care in Manchester VT for a heart scare this past Sunday, turned out to be nothing but while there I grabbed my Moderna booster and a flu shot. Had same soreness in arm, and as of this morning had a fraction of the spaciness and general malaise that kept me in bed for 24 hours after shot #2. So far so good. I do have these scales starting to grow at the base of my skull…good thing the kid likes lizards!

Oh and my Verizon iPhone is working amazingly well. Signal just seems a little stronger. 

You are well under 65 and last time I checked a solo practice commercial lawyer was not a profession at high risk of exposure. Are you immuno-compromised or do you just want to be on the safe side and think the FDA is being too conservative? :)

Is Mer double vaxed?

You've always had a big heart. Take care of it. 

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Didn’t think about it much, my brain wasn’t working that well after four hours In a hospital bed. Mer said “why don’t you ask for a vaccine while you’re there” and I said to medic Larry “wife said I should ask for vaccine”. Few minutes later they stuck it in. 

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3 minutes ago, MR.CLEAN said:

Didn’t think about it much, my brain wasn’t working that well after four hours In a hospital bed. Mer said “why don’t you ask for a vaccine while you’re there” and I said to medic Larry “wife said I should ask for vaccine”. Few minutes later they stuck it in. 

I have always liked Mer. I still do.

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We still haven't started booster shots in NZ. Seems our scientists need to test it and research it properly before they can let it be used on us Kiwis. Seems we have a different physiology to all other humans, so need to be very careful.

Plus maybe we have a badder version of it. Our leader has told us that our version is 'tricky' and that it 'hunts down the unvaccinated'. 

Anyway, be nice if they could follow the science a bit quicker, my booster is due in 3 weeks.

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15 minutes ago, Gissie said:

We still haven't started booster shots in NZ. Seems our scientists need to test it and research it properly before they can let it be used on us Kiwis. Seems we have a different physiology to all other humans, so need to be very careful.

Plus maybe we have a badder version of it. Our leader has told us that our version is 'tricky' and that it 'hunts down the unvaccinated'. 

Anyway, be nice if they could follow the science a bit quicker, my booster is due in 3 weeks.

They need to adjust the booster for magnetic dip, you're south of the equator

- DSK

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15 hours ago, Gissie said:

We still haven't started booster shots in NZ. Seems our scientists need to test it and research it properly before they can let it be used on us Kiwis. Seems we have a different physiology to all other humans, so need to be very careful.

Plus maybe we have a badder version of it. Our leader has told us that our version is 'tricky' and that it 'hunts down the unvaccinated'. 

Anyway, be nice if they could follow the science a bit quicker, my booster is due in 3 weeks.

You have plenty of time for the booster.

Mine was just under 9 months since my second dose

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As forum members relate their experience it would be helpful if they could distinguish between a "third dose" and a "booster" shot.

The third dose is the same size dosage as the first two. So in Moderna's case that would be a 50mg dose.  It is primarily administered to immuno compromised.  Although some who sought a booster before it was approved by the FDA would actually have received a third dose.

The booster shot is smaller than the first 2 doses. In Moderna's case, it is 25 mg, half the dosage of the original vaccine doses.

The science to determine the size of the booster dose?  I'm guessing they went off their phase 2 trials and decided to conduct the booster trial with a half size booster just to see how it worked.  Its an evolving process, and dose sizes will never be a precise science (everybody is different size, immune response etc) but the main objective is to be small enough to be safe and large enough to be effective.   

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4 minutes ago, EYESAILOR said:

As forum members relate their experience it would be helpful if they could distinguish between a "third dose" and a "booster" shot.

The third dose is the same size dosage as the first two. So in Moderna's case that would be a 50mg dose.  It is primarily administered to immuno compromised.  Although some who sought a booster before it was approved by the FDA would actually have received a third dose.

The booster shot is smaller than the first 2 doses. In Moderna's case, it is 25 mg, half the dosage of the original vaccine doses.

The science to determine the size of the booster dose?  I'm guessing they went off their phase 2 trials and decided to conduct the booster trial with a half size booster just to see how it worked.  Its an evolving process, and dose sizes will never be a precise science (everybody is different size, immune response etc) but the main objective is to be small enough to be safe and large enough to be effective.   

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2021/10/12/dr_peter_hotez_the_two_mrna_vaccines_were_always_going_to_be_three-dose.html

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3 minutes ago, Amati said:

He is guessing. he doesn't know.  It is more likely that the protection after the booster will last longer than the original shots, but the duration will only be discovered by monitoring antibody and T cell levels. That is being done by both Pfizer and Moderna . Pfizer published a preprint. Moderna hasnt published but made an announcement. An independent study observed that Moderna appears to be lasting slightly longer than Pfizer ...but  IMHO it is just statistical noise at this point. 

 

I got to listen to  Professor Akiko Iwasaki   talking about duration a week or so back.  It was interesting hearing about the difference between active immunity and passive immunity.....and "immunologic memory"  and innate responses and adaptive responses (which seems to partially explain why different people respond in different ways to the vaccine in the first 48 hours but may have the same long term response) .   

Anyway, we dont know yet how long the second round of immunity will last.   

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Just now, EYESAILOR said:

He is guessing. he doesn't know.  It is more likely that the protection after the booster will last longer than the original shots, but the duration will only be discovered by monitoring antibody and T cell levels. That is being done by both Pfizer and Moderna . Pfizer published a preprint. Moderna hasnt published but made an announcement. An independent study observed that Moderna appears to be lasting slightly longer than Pfizer ...but  IMHO it is just statistical noise at this point. 

Just as you are.

This pre-print research from Sweden is interesting.

https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=3949410

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4 minutes ago, Kate short for Bob said:

You guess a lot!

There is a thin line between a deduction and an educated guess.

But its better to be honest.

You are somewhat prone to making statements as if they are facts, when in fact they are at best a guess. 

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