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Depends.  I live in a little redneck town in North Florida that is Trump and DeathSentence country. A year and a half ago, folks around here thought the virus was a hoax meant to damage Him. They thou

These dumb fuckers are like "I'm going on a vent. Pray for a miracle " Bitch, the miracle was the vaccine you refused 

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Bullshitting has consequences…for the followers. 

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And then I see the disinfectant, where it knocks it out in one minute. And is there a way we can do something like that, by injection inside or almost a cleaning, because you see it gets in the lungs and it does a tremendous number on the lungs, so it’d be interesting to check that, so that you’re going to have to use medical doctors with, but it sounds interesting to me. So, we’ll see, but the whole concept of the light, the way it kills it in one minute. That’s pretty powerful.

https://www.sorryantivaxxer.com/post/johann-biacsics-65-kottingbrunn-at-self-employed-anti-vaxxer-dead-from-covid-and-stupidity
 

Look for the poem in the comments. 

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1 hour ago, Sol Rosenberg said:

Bullshitting has consequences…for the followers. 

https://www.sorryantivaxxer.com/post/johann-biacsics-65-kottingbrunn-at-self-employed-anti-vaxxer-dead-from-covid-and-stupidity
 

Look for the poem in the comments. 

there once was a lad called Johann

who said all vaxxed are smurfs

"No needle for me,

backside bleach it'll be,

I know it surely can't hurt."

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Of course, it's all President Biden's fault.

Red America has seen the highest rates of cases and deaths, and the lowest rate of vaccinations

It’s worth putting a fine point on a subject I raised earlier Monday: It is red America, Donald Trump-voting America, that has seen the worst effects of the pandemic. With divergent vaccination rates, with the unvaccinated population that’s most at risk being made up of Republicans at three times the rate of Democrats, that gap is poised to grow.

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4 hours ago, Bus Driver said:

Of course, it's all President Biden's fault.

Red America has seen the highest rates of cases and deaths, and the lowest rate of vaccinations

It’s worth putting a fine point on a subject I raised earlier Monday: It is red America, Donald Trump-voting America, that has seen the worst effects of the pandemic. With divergent vaccination rates, with the unvaccinated population that’s most at risk being made up of Republicans at three times the rate of Democrats, that gap is poised to grow.

Well... it wouldn't have happened like that if TFG had been reelected.

 

Would it?

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4 hours ago, SloopJonB said:

Well... it wouldn't have happened like that if TFG had been reelected.

 

Would it?

Actually, I think it would.

If TFG managed to stay in office, I don't see people who have availed themselves of the vaccine doing it differently.

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This morning's fake news reporting that according to Mark Meadows, the head dumbshit Trump, and his doctors knew he was positive with covid when holding several Whitehouse events and the first debate with Biden, prior to his hospitalizatiion.  Of course he lied for the "honor system" to attend the debate.

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32 minutes ago, Bus Driver said:

Actually, I think it would.

If TFG managed to stay in office, I don't see people who have availed themselves of the vaccine doing it differently.

If Trump had managed to stay in office, I think the vaccine would still be sitting in warehouses.

- DSK

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Just now, basketcase said:

When the hell has it been safe to take off your mask in the states? Theres almost twice as many active cases in New Mexico than there is in all of Canada.

My sister and her hubby are driving from Mexico to Canada for Christmas, they are shocked by the lack of masking in the USA. Nobody is wearing masks in Arizona, Nevada, Idaho...

 

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This AM was reminded of a scene in the movie Sgt York where Gary Cooper is explaining when you shoot don't aim at the first guy, you shoot the last guy - like when he would shoot turkeys - those in front don't know what is happening.  The anti-vaxers and anti-maskers are just like those turkeys. In this case even when the guy in the front goes down the rest just keep sticking their unmasked and unvaxxed heads up.

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Many Severe Covid-19 Survivors Go on to Die Within a Year, Study Finds

New research this week finds that people who are hospitalized with severe covid-19 but survive often pay a heavy price afterward. The study concluded that these survivors were more than twice as likely to die in the subsequent 12 months compared to people who had tested negative for the virus. This relatively increased risk of death was even higher for people under the age 65.

About 20% of the deaths among these patients post-infection were attributed to problems with either the respiratory or cardiovascular system, the authors noted, the areas of the body that tend to be affected directly by infection from the coronavirus. But it’s well known that the symptoms of severe covid are often the result of an overzealous immune response, one that can wreak havoc all throughout the body. And it’s this potential for widespread damage that is likely to blame for the majority of added deaths seen in these survivors.

 

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2 hours ago, hobie1616 said:

Many Severe Covid-19 Survivors Go on to Die Within a Year, Study Finds

New research this week finds that people who are hospitalized with severe covid-19 but survive often pay a heavy price afterward. The study concluded that these survivors were more than twice as likely to die in the subsequent 12 months compared to people who had tested negative for the virus. This relatively increased risk of death was even higher for people under the age 65.

About 20% of the deaths among these patients post-infection were attributed to problems with either the respiratory or cardiovascular system, the authors noted, the areas of the body that tend to be affected directly by infection from the coronavirus. But it’s well known that the symptoms of severe covid are often the result of an overzealous immune response, one that can wreak havoc all throughout the body. And it’s this potential for widespread damage that is likely to blame for the majority of added deaths seen in these survivors.

 

I didn't see the original research.  How did they correct for comorbidities?   Statistically the people that end up in hospital are more likely to have diabetes, hypertension, obesity, etc.   Therefore they were already at increased risk of death (or rehospitalization in the article linked by your link) then others of their same age group lacking those comorbidities.     

There was a study a while back showing firefighters that did 40 pushups on a test had a significantly reduced risk of heart disease over the next four years.   Doing 40 pushups didn't protect them but being healthy enough to do 40 pushups on demand was a prognostic test.   Being able to fight CoViD without ending up in a hospital is the push up test (Hopefully).   I really hope survivors don't face a long list of future health issues.  

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2 hours ago, hobie1616 said:

Many Severe Covid-19 Survivors Go on to Die Within a Year, Study Finds

New research this week finds that people who are hospitalized with severe covid-19 but survive often pay a heavy price afterward. The study concluded that these survivors were more than twice as likely to die in the subsequent 12 months compared to people who had tested negative for the virus. This relatively increased risk of death was even higher for people under the age 65.

About 20% of the deaths among these patients post-infection were attributed to problems with either the respiratory or cardiovascular system, the authors noted, the areas of the body that tend to be affected directly by infection from the coronavirus. But it’s well known that the symptoms of severe covid are often the result of an overzealous immune response, one that can wreak havoc all throughout the body. And it’s this potential for widespread damage that is likely to blame for the majority of added deaths seen in these survivors.

 

I've been saying since near the beginning that the true numbers will only be known after it's all over and the statisticians can come up with the numbers of "excess deaths" for the full term of the bug.

There have simply been too many errors and lies for current stats to be anything but an approximation.

One thing I feel certain of - the current reported death figures will be understated.

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3 minutes ago, SloopJonB said:

I've been saying since near the beginning that the true numbers will only be known after it's all over and the statisticians can come up with the numbers of "excess deaths" for the full term of the bug.

There have simply been too many errors and lies for current stats to be anything but an approximation.

One thing I feel certain of - the current reported death figures will be understated.

Well it certainly fits with TFG fudging the figures to look favourable.

You do need to be an especially special kind of asshole to play with figures that represent a human life that said, rather ironically he has killed a lot of stupid supporters.

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24 minutes ago, Lark said:

I didn't see the original research.  How did they correct for comorbidities?   Statistically the people that end up in hospital are more likely to have diabetes, hypertension, obesity, etc.   Therefore they were already at increased risk of death (or rehospitalization in the article linked by your link) then others of their same age group lacking those comorbidities.     

There was a study a while back showing firefighters that did 40 pushups on a test had a significantly reduced risk of heart disease over the next four years.   Doing 40 pushups didn't protect them but being healthy enough to do 40 pushups on demand was a prognostic test.   Being able to fight CoViD without ending up in a hospital is the push up test (Hopefully).   I really hope survivors don't face a long list of future health issues.  

Did you read the article?

'Nearly 14,000 patients in the same health care system were studied. These included 178 diagnosed with severe COVID-19 and 246 diagnosed with mild to moderate covid-19, as well as many others who tested negative for the virus but may have been sick for other reasons and received medical care in some way. Compared to covid-negative patients, and even after accounting for other factors like age and sex, those with severe covid were 2.5 times more likely to die in the next 12 months after their illness. Overall, just over 52% of severe covid patients died in a year’s time. There was no significant increased risk of mortality for mild to moderate cases, however.'

Of the severe 178 covid cases, just over 52% died over the next 12 months.

it doesn't specifically say all of the 52% somewhat recovered and then died later, but thats the sense I get from it.

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4 hours ago, Mike G said:

The guy that hid his own vaccination status has history to rewrite.

 

 

“Political language is designed to make lies sound truthful and murder respectable, and to give an appearance of solidity to pure wind. ”
 George Orwell

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21 minutes ago, dfw_sailor said:

Did you read the article?

'Nearly 14,000 patients in the same health care system were studied. These included 178 diagnosed with severe COVID-19 and 246 diagnosed with mild to moderate covid-19, as well as many others who tested negative for the virus but may have been sick for other reasons and received medical care in some way. Compared to covid-negative patients, and even after accounting for other factors like age and sex, those with severe covid were 2.5 times more likely to die in the next 12 months after their illness. Overall, just over 52% of severe covid patients died in a year’s time. There was no significant increased risk of mortality for mild to moderate cases, however.'

Of the severe 178 covid cases, just over 52% died over the next 12 months.

it doesn't specifically say all of the 52% somewhat recovered and then died later, but thats the sense I get from it.

I saw that, but not materials and methods on the original paper.    Yes, they matched by age, gender and looked at severity of CoViD.   As we know, the worse your health, the more likely you are to end up with severe CoViD.   Therefore the more likely you were to die or end up in hospital, even if you didn't have CoViD.   I'm not dismissing the virus.   I'm pointing out a weakness of the claim.   I'd like to know what the background death rate of hospital patients (Non CoViD) is within a year of live discharge.  I did find that 20% of medicare patients are rehospitalized within 4 weeks of discharge, without CoViD.    As Sloop said, excess deaths will be the best true indicator of CoViD fatalities.   That number may completely back the claim (93 or 52% of 178 died within the next year, presumably because they had CoViD).   

It may show some of those deaths were 'expected' deaths.    I've been too busy to track down recent data and think the CDC moved it.  In October it was possible to examine fatal breakthrough infections.   A large number were already 'expected deaths', people had CoViD and died, but the hospital did not attribute the death to CoViD but to other health problems.   Others died too soon, so they did die of CoViD, but were already on the 'slippery slope' (palliative radiation or something).   In other words, the vaccine isn't  perfect but doesn't suck as much as a brief glance of the data (presence or absence of virus and presence or absence of a pulse in vaccinated  people) might suggest.   The same phenomenon may be happening here.   

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I'm surprised that none of our anti-vaxxers didn't think of this.

Italian man tries to dodge Covid vaccine wearing fake arm

An Italian man is facing charges of fraud after turning up for his Covid-19 vaccine wearing a fake arm.

So determined was he to dodge the jab but still obtain a health pass, the anti-vaxxer may have paid hundreds of euros for the silicone prosthetic.

The bizarre episode at a vaccine hub in Biella, a town close to Turin in the northern Piedmont region, came a week after Italy announced measuresbarring unvaccinated people from a host of social, cultural and sporting activities.

After completing the bureaucratic formalities, including signing a consent form in front of a doctor, the man, aged 50, sat down and lifted up the sleeve of his shirt as he prepared for a health worker to administer the jab.

Initially, the health worker did not notice anything odd, as the silicone looked similar to skin. But after taking a closer look and touching the arm, the medic asked the man to take off his shirt. His plan foiled, the man, who has not been named, then tried to persuade the health worker to turn a blind eye.

“I felt offended as a professional,” Filippa Bua told La Repubblica. “The colour of the arm made me suspicious and so I asked the man to uncover the rest of his left arm. It was well made but it wasn’t the same colour.” The man said to her: “Would you have imagined that I’d have such a physique?”

She told La Stampa she could not see the man’s veins: “At first I thought I made a mistake, that it was a patient with an artificial arm.”

La Repubblica suggested that the incident might not have been a one-off, citing a recent message on social media that might have been written by the man in Biella.

The Twitter post featured a silicone male chest half-body suit, complete with fake arms and neck, that was on sale on Amazon for €488 (£416). Alongside the image was the message: “If I go with this, will they notice? Maybe beneath the silicone I’ll even put on some extra clothes to avoid the needle reaching my real arm.”

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On 12/2/2021 at 8:26 PM, Mike G said:

The guy that hid his own vaccination status has history to rewrite.

 

Obviously talking about himself, rushing to get vaxxed even though he was good having had the virus. Others didn't have a chance to rush under his "leadership" since the vaccine was hardly approved while he still was TG instead of TFG.

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Mastermind at work...

A man bragged he was ‘gonna be rich’ off fake coronavirus vaccine cards, prosecutors say. Then he got charged.

A 23-year-old Maryland man has been charged with purchasing and distributing fake coronavirus vaccine cards to enrich himself, according to a criminal complaint unsealed in federal court Friday.

The man, Amar Salim Shabazz, was allegedly not shy about his scheme, either.

“I SELL PROOF OF VACCINATION CARDS,” he commented under an Instagram post about bars and restaurants requiring guests to show proof of vaccination cards, the criminal complaint said.

In his private messages on the app, prosecutors alleged, he told another individual, “I’m gonna be rich.”

Instead of wealth, Shabazz is now facing up to 20 years behind bars on charges of mail fraud and obstruction of justice. Prosecutors accused him of purchasing over 600 fake coronavirus vaccine cards, advertising them on several social media platforms and distributing them through the U.S. mail. The criminal complaint includes examples of what the government says is Shabazz selling the cards at various price tags, from $60 to $70 to “$75 a pop.”

Shabazz was previously convicted on charges of possession of child porn. He was released from prison in April.

Shabazz allegedly continued to sell the fake cards until Oct. 1, when law enforcement executed search warrants in a basement he used. Among fake vaccination cards and receipts for UPS shipping payments, officers found handwritten notes titled “Things Im doing when I get out (updated),” “Different options,” and “SCAM Life/Legit.” One statement within the notes said, “buy guns from Dark web or [Company A] if for some reason I can’t get my gun liseance (sic).”

After the search, Shabazz allegedly researched how to delete his email and his account on the foreign marketplace website. He also Googled, per the criminal complaint, “fake covid19 cards penalties.”

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40 minutes ago, d'ranger said:

Among city of Houston employees the 2 groups with lowest vaccinations? Police and Fire. Anyone care to guess the leading cause of death in these groups since the pandemic?  Freedumb Rains.

I guess that's one way to get better cops. Let the dumb ones die off. The Venn diagram of RWNJ's and police unfortunately tend to be concentric circles. 

Never understood why the NJ's are so bad at math. They go on about 99% survival rates and other unfounded bullshit (It's more like 98.4% in the US)  not understanding that a 1% croakage rate is terribly high. (1% of Houston PD would be ~35 officers)

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18 hours ago, d'ranger said:

Among city of Houston employees the 2 groups with lowest vaccinations? Police and Fire. Anyone care to guess the leading cause of death in these groups since the pandemic?  Freedumb Rains.

Houston is not my go to place for intelligent discussion.

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6 hours ago, Cal20sailor said:

Houston is not my go to place for intelligent discussion.

I recall a story about Houston in a car mag back in the 90's.

They were testing a Volvo and determined that the exhaust gasses were cleaner than the air in the intake tract.

The city was so polluted that driving the car there was actually cleaning the air.

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35 minutes ago, SloopJonB said:

I recall a story about Houston in a car mag back in the 90's.

They were testing a Volvo and determined that the exhaust gasses were cleaner than the air in the intake tract.

The city was so polluted that driving the car there was actually cleaning the air.

A colleague was staying in a Houston hotel.   Looked down from the nth floor and saw a dead body in the street in front of the hotel.  At least it was in the street until some good samaritan stopped, pulled the body to the side of the road, got back in their car and drove away.  

People = road kill.

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4 hours ago, SloopJonB said:

I recall a story about Houston in a car mag back in the 90's.

They were testing a Volvo and determined that the exhaust gasses were cleaner than the air in the intake tract.

The city was so polluted that driving the car there was actually cleaning the air.

You've obviously never been to Mexico City.

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7 hours ago, Rain Man said:

A colleague was staying in a Houston hotel.   Looked down from the nth floor and saw a dead body in the street in front of the hotel.  At least it was in the street until some good samaritan stopped, pulled the body to the side of the road, got back in their car and drove away.  

People = road kill.

Did he check for a wallet? 

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2 hours ago, Venom said:

So this gets you all triggered up?

This is more Herman Cain Award material than cause for being triggered up. The hint should have been that it's posted in a 17-page thread called Dead Dumbshits.

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1 hour ago, Olsonist said:

This is more Herman Cain Award material than cause for being triggered up. The hint should have been that it's posted in a 17-page thread called Dead Dumbshits.

Remember you're talking to a Live Dumbshit.

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There are no problems, just opportunities...

As covid persists, nurses are leaving staff jobs — and tripling their salaries as travelers

Wanderlust, and the money to fund it, made Alex Stow’s decision easy. After working a couple of years in an intensive care unit, he signed up to be a travel nurse, tripling his pay to about $95 an hour by agreeing to help short-staffed hospitals around the country for 13 weeks at a time.

“Travel” proved a bit of a misnomer. His current assignment is in Traverse City, Mich., only a few hours from his old full-time job in Lansing — close enough that he still works per diem shifts at his previous hospital.

Now Stow, 25, is buying a truck and a camper and preparing to hit the road. He’ll work where he wants and take time off to see the country between nursing assignments.

“As soon as I found out that was a thing, I thought, ‘That’s got my name written all over it,’ ” said Stow, who agreed to discuss his new work life if the hospitals were not named.

If 2020 was the year travel nursing took off, with 35 percent growth over the pre-pandemic year of 2019, this year has propelled it to new heights, with an additional 40 percent growth expected, according to an independent analyst of the health-care workforce.

The continued pandemic; an aging, burned out and retiring nurse workforce; the return of hospital services that were shut down last year; and a shortage of foreign recruits and nursing students have combined to make travel nursing one of the most critical and sensitive issues in health care.

“Of all the things that keep CEOs of hospitals up at night, this is the key one,” said Chip Kahn, president and chief executive officer of the Federation of American Hospitals, which represents about 1,000 for-profit facilities.

Hospitals accuse the travel companies of price gouging. The companies say they are responding to the laws of supply and demand in an increasingly mobile work environment. Nurses’ unions say there would be no shortage if nurses were adequately paid and afforded better working conditions.

The one area of agreement is that health-care staffing is suffering from fundamental problems that must be addressed for some measure of balance and efficiency to return.

“We need a better way to think about how we oversee and distribute and monitor the supply of our health-care workforce,” said Bianca K. Frogner, director of the Center for Health Workforce Studies at the University of Washington School of Medicine. “We don’t have any kind of centralized workforce commission in this country.”

Stow’s hourly pay is near the median of $99 an hour for critical-care travel nurses at the moment, according to Barry Asin, president of Staffing Industry Analysts, a research firm that focuses on the contingent workforce.

But a quick search turns up ads for even higher pay: $9,486 per week for ICU nurses by Aya Healthcare, one of the industry leaders; nurses with cardiovascular experience can make even more. Travel companies also may offer a full slate of benefits, and some pay nurses a bonus to refer other nurses to them.

The highest pay is going to nurses with experience in specialized hospital units such as the various types of ICUs, those willing to move to remote locations for weeks or months and those willing to respond immediately to emergency needs, people in the industry said. Demand for other health-care workers, such as respiratory technicians, also continues unabated.

In contrast, a full-time registered staff nurse earns an average of just less than $74,000 per year, according to a 2018 report from the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services. About 2.6 million nurses worked in hospital settings in 2018, according to the government.

The travel-nurse market, which Asin said could accommodate well over 100,000 such staff this year, had more than 40,000 vacancies in October, according to his data. Companies continue to recruit staff nurses to become travelers. Especially for younger and older nurses, who aren’t tied to homes or families, the money and travel can be an attractive proposition.

“If people can go somewhere else and earn a year’s salary in three or four months, they will,” said Karen Donelan, a professor of health policy at Brandeis University who follows nurse staffing issues. “But they’re walking into high-covid zones. So this is a risk-reward scenario.”

U.S. hospitals have faced periodic nurse shortages for years, and demand was high even before the pandemic, fueled by aging patients and more people with insurance, said Bart Valdez, chief executive officer of Ingenovis Health, which currently has 6,000 travel nurses, including Stow, at hospitals across the country. The arrival of the omicron variant may put more people in U.S. hospitals with covid-19.

The average age of a nurse is 50 and ICU nurses are older — an aging workforce edging toward retirement. The number of nurses needed to replace them has been limited by a shortage of faculty in nursing schools, said Akin Demehin, director of policy for the American Hospital Association, which represents nonprofit hospitals.

Hospitals are again offering elective surgeries and procedures that were canceled during the first year of the pandemic, putting more pressure on nursing staff. The flow of foreign nurses into the U.S. was all but shut off by the pandemic and is not close to normal, Kahn of the Federation of American Hospitals said.

Then came the pandemic-fueled “great resignation” that has created labor shortages across the United States. In health care alone, 534,000 people left their jobs in August, according to the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics. Some left for other jobs, but others simply quit or retired. In long-term care, such as nursing homes and assisted-living facilities, 400,000 health-care personnel have left since the pandemic began, Frogner said.

“2020 was the year of ‘Everyone to the barricades, let’s solve this national problem’,” Asin said. “And 2021 is the year of ‘If this is what it’s going to be like, I’ve got to reevaluate my life.’ ”

As covid-19 cases spiked in their areas, hospitals also have hired per diem nurses and retired nurses. In some particularly dire cases, the government sent in military and public health personnel. Massachusetts announced last month that hospitals there will reduce non-urgent procedures because of rising covid cases and staff shortages.

The nation’s largest nurses union maintains that hospitals are suffering the consequences of the just-in-time staffing model they created to cut costs by keeping the number of full-time staff nurses as small as possible.

“This current staffing crisis is one of the hospital industry’s making,” Deborah Burger, president of National Nurses United, said in a written statement. “They need to take a long hard look at how their treatment of permanent staff and exploitation of the nursing ethos has inevitably led to this unsustainable model of staffing hospitals.”

In the current crisis, these conditions have led to charges that travel companies are gouging hospitals. If there are staff shortages, hospitals must close beds. Four members of Congress last month asked Jeffrey Zients, the White House’s covid-19 response team coordinator, to look at the issue, and in February the American Hospital Association complained to the Federal Trade Commission.

“The rates that are being paid and the amounts the nurses are making are frequently out of line with physicians,” Kahn said. “Those companies that have those nurses are in a position to gouge and leverage. I don’t think that can continue forever.”

Hospitals have been able to use government covid relief funds to pay some of their expenses, but that may not always be the case, said the American Hospital Association’s Demehin.

Valdez of Ingenovis Health responded that “if you need the nurses to support patients and you need them there immediately, you’re going to have to pay to get them there, because they have so many different opportunities. It’s a high number, I recognize that. But it’s a higher cost not to get the services to the patients.”

Stow said he occasionally sees the conflict firsthand when he is working side by side with staff nurses, performing the same tasks for vastly greater pay.

“With any population of people you’ll get a couple here and there … They might show it a little bit and they might treat you a little differently,” he said.

“I think most of the nurses that you work with, they realize we’re not what caused this. We’re, as of right now, kind of a Band-Aid for the situation.”

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24 minutes ago, Venom said:

Obviously that would be cause for calibration and chest pounding by the usual triggered shitlibs that troll this site. 

Yes, if these Dumbshits want to get Dead in order to own disgusting liberals such as myself then we do think that is cause for some calibration and that indeed it needs some form of recognition so that they will have not choked out their remaining minutes in intensive care in vain, pleading for their lives.  But if it makes you feel any better, they'll be partying with Jesus before the day is done.

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24 minutes ago, Olsonist said:

Yes, if these Dumbshits want to get Dead in order to own disgusting liberals such as myself then we do think that is cause for some calibration and that indeed it needs some form of recognition so that they will have not choked out their remaining minutes in intensive care in vain, pleading for their lives.  But if it makes you feel any better, they'll be partying with Jesus before the day is done.

 

Please don't quote Venom and the other RWNJ Trolls; I now have 9 of them on "ignore", most ever.....

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37 minutes ago, Sol Rosenberg said:

Pretty. Pretty dumb. 

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I'd say it's time to get a scan to check for brain activity,  but her baseline is so low how would they determine if the hypoxia damaged her brain?

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As much as I can feel Schadenfruede. We are far past the point where we can shame these people. I have lost a close family member to an anti-truther. I have a few more that resist the truth. All we can do is treat them like infants and not let them eat mental rat poison. Dying by respiratory failure does not sound like fun. Yes, I have heard first hand stories.

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10 minutes ago, chum said:

Fuck you too dumbshit. You guys laugh while people die. It's real funny.

Using anal horse paste to stop a virus is real funny. And it has such a great track record. But you're a mechanic. Have you tried using it for 'lubricating' your filly?

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2 minutes ago, chum said:

Fuck you too dumbshit. You guys laugh while people die. It's real funny.

Well, they won't take the basic medical advice, and I'd rather not cry for them. Dumbasses. 

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22 minutes ago, chum said:

Can we talk about all these dead dumbshits who made the pandemic so much worse in the beginning? More than 3 to 1.

I would postulate that because the vaccine is available now, and not then, they had a much greater impact on the death rate, especially considering the leaky vaccine we have today.

 

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How much of that initial surge occurred in NY and NJ, when COVID came in from Europe? 

You know, when The Former Guy was trying to ban travel from Asia?  Except for Americans.

When far less was understood about the virus and its lethality.  Except for the President.  He knew about and chose to lie about it to the American people.

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1 minute ago, chum said:

You tell me? Don't come to me with your wondering, find out for yourself. I have an idea that it won't account for the more than 3 to 1 spread, and that you won't be able to accurately filter whatever you find either. Give it a shot.

You know god-damned well those blue states got hammered, early on.  And, you know why.

But, you want to pretend it's a mystery.

Comparing the red-state pandemic response now to blue states in early 2020 is dishonest

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44 minutes ago, chum said:

Can we talk about all these dead dumbshits who made the pandemic so much worse in the beginning? More than 3 to 1.

I would postulate that because the vaccine is available now, and not then, they had a much greater impact on the death rate, especially considering the leaky vaccine we have today.

 

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It's too bad that discussions of international airport locations, demographics of political affiliation, and population density as a factor of viral spread go right over the head of people like chum.

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6 minutes ago, chum said:

I don't watch Tucker Carlson. I can count the episodes I have on one hand.

You continue to mock, scorn and pass blatant disinformation about a perfectly viable alternative to your unknown concoction that you have to have stuck in yourself repeatedly because of your advanced age and your concoctions limitations. There are many more of us that aren't in the old boomer demographic for whom it is not necessary, but being forced on. I'm tired of it. Next they're coming for my kids. Yeah I'm pissed.

 

Aspirin is well studied and a perfectly viable alternative to the covid vaccine as well. It's proven as effective as Ivermectin. What else we got? 

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14 minutes ago, chum said:

Its an oral paste you uninformed piece of shit. The animal formulation is not the topic of study.

Today I learned that Ivermectin comes in oral paste too.             image.png.901d425fb67034f2701890361a101948.png

Ivermectin! It tastes good and it's good for you! Talk to your equine veterinarian today!

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2 minutes ago, Olsonist said:

Today I learned that Ivermectin comes in oral paste too.             image.png.901d425fb67034f2701890361a101948.png

Ivermectin! It tastes good and it's good for you! Talk to your equine veterinarian today!

Remember to take it out of the box before eating it! Many people don't understand this complicated modern packaging.

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29 minutes ago, chum said:

Ok bullshitter, just keep shooting yourself up.

Want to have a go at the endgame question?

The endgame was to keep people alive by supplying a readily-available and universally-funded vaccine. The problem is that the stupids were fed a pack of likes by people who could profit off of their stupidity. Now you have over 1300 people dying every day in your country, and at least half of those are completely unnecessary.

But that's not what I was commenting about. The graph you posted, with which you inferred that democrats or democrat-run states were somehow responsible for the bulk of deaths early in Covid just because the blue line was bigger. That was a giant whataboutism (what about when the democrat states were worse off?) which shows that you either don't understand - or don't care - that early Covid was more quickly spread in areas that have higher population density for bloody obvious reasons. I choose to think that you don't care (as opposed to you not understanding) because I have trouble believing anybody to be that stupid. And if you don't care, then it means you were just posting the graph to score political points on an internet forum. But I could be wrong.

So which is it? Are you actually that stupid? Or is this just your sad little attempt to own the libs?

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17 minutes ago, chum said:

Got a cite for the comparison? I have no idea. So much disinformation here.

It's my very own comparison. Both are used effectively by millions of people, every year. Both are safe when taken in the correct dose. Both are equally proven to help treat covid (meaning, there is no proof of treatment efficacy for either.)

So - Aspirin = Ivermectin!  Why do you dismiss Aspirin!?!

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13 minutes ago, Nice! said:

The endgame was to keep people alive by supplying a readily-available and universally-funded vaccine. The problem is that the stupids were fed a pack of likes by people who could profit off of their stupidity. Now you have over 1300 people dying every day in your country, and at least half of those are completely unnecessary.

But that's not what I was commenting about. The graph you posted, to which you inferred that democrats or democrat-run states were somehow responsible for the bulk of deaths early in Covid just because the blue line was bigger. That was a giant whataboutism (what about when the democrat states were worse off?) which shows that you either don't understand - or don't care - that early Covid was more quickly spread in areas that have higher population density for bloody obvious reasons. I choose to think that you don't care (as opposed to you not understanding) because I have trouble believing anybody to be that stupid. And if you don't care, then it means you were just posting the graph to score political points on an internet forum. But I could be wrong.

So which is it? Are you actually that stupid? Or is this just your sad little attempt to own the libs?

Alex, I'll take #1 for the win. as Eva dent - I used to believe it was #2 (fitting, I know) but the quoted shit was changed my mind.

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