Ruminator 156 Posted August 7, 2021 Share Posted August 7, 2021 So after a lengthy absence (closing in on a decade) of posting to this illustrious anarchistic cloud-based diatribe, I notice that there seems to be no absence of pessimistic comments about some multihulls. I'm not saying that isn't without merit, as that is being discussed elsewhere. However, my point is where are the anarchists talking about their favorite multihulls? Yes, sprinkled here and there, you might find a gem of a comment; but scattered they are. So let’s hear from you hedonistic types anchored in remote shallow waters… So, I'll start. Although I am fond of the French Marsaudon Composites Group (TS/ORC whatever your favorite acronym is), I think others are in better position to comment on them. But their resume is impressive (I saw Mouse Trap once at Rob-the-Rich). So my first offering is the Stealth Design line out of Asia Catamarans. I like some of the subtleties that Alan and Roger put into their work. I particularly like how they don't spell out all of their features on the website (kind of a secret sauce thing to protect their IP). So you have to have a bit of a keen eye. One of the better ones I like is the completely retractable outboard system they have (no nacelle) that I’ve recently also noticed on a Schionning. And I do think the mast bulkhead geometry is unique, not your typical right-angle arrangement. They might not have originated these aspects in modern boats, but they are using them. Oh, yes and they are fast to boot! 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ProaSailor 674 Posted August 7, 2021 Share Posted August 7, 2021 36 minutes ago, Ruminator said: So my first offering is the Stealth Design line out of Asia Catamarans. But I heard here recently that their "Rudder connection system sucks.": Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Ruminator 156 Posted August 7, 2021 Author Share Posted August 7, 2021 Good point, thanks for bringing it up. A pointer/shortcut/link to a recent thread is always good too. Might be some more gems in the vast library contained here. 32 minutes ago, ProaSailor said: But I heard here recently that their "Rudder connection system sucks.": ... "On 8/4/2021 at 4:57 PM longly said: Yes, Asia catamarans. Very well concieved/built boats (expect for this one issue). Most have a fair bit of owner customization. They don't use this cross system any more (may have been just this boat) I'd buy on for myself." Cheers! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
martin 'hoff 1,005 Posted August 7, 2021 Share Posted August 7, 2021 Love Tres Simple. A TS-42 or a TS-5. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Ruminator 156 Posted August 7, 2021 Author Share Posted August 7, 2021 13 minutes ago, martin 'hoff said: Love Tres Simple. A TS-42 or a TS-5. Hard to argue with the successes on these hulls! What are your thoughts on the 57? Or would you prefer to withhold judgement until October (current published launch time frame)? Also, any thoughts on the new branding? I think everyone is currently on Holiday, but if anyone from Marsaudon reads this: "ORC branding is not your friend". Might just be me... probably is. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Mordoc 10 Posted August 8, 2021 Share Posted August 8, 2021 11 hours ago, ProaSailor said: But I heard here recently that their "Rudder connection system sucks.": They use a different (better) system for more than 7 years already. What I like about the Stealth cat is the high build quality, the new retractable outboard system with ‚3D plug’, and it is super light at just 3.5to (Stealth 13). These are designed for warmer climates (great ventilation), TS-42 and TS-5 more for the Atlantic circle. Both companies have a strong focus on racers. Let‘s not forget the Dazcats, but very expensive. Two Tillers vs. two wheels - I like both systems. One of the few things I don‘t like about the TS is the completely unprotected steering position (very wet) … and It can be painful doing business with french guys. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
plywoodboy 150 Posted August 8, 2021 Share Posted August 8, 2021 Great boats, great bang for buck due to cheaper Asian cost to build. Hard to compare with other boats because each boat is owner customised. I raced extensively on a recent boat and found many of the systems too light in the interest of speed. Lots of lashings, soft shackles, felt like string theory. The retractable outboard system was messy and helped cause a bit of damage to the boat when we couldn't get motors going fast enough when shit got real. But oh so comfortable to cruise/race, and in a blue water race doing 26.6 knots upwind double reefed with no jib in 35 knots of wind was pretty special. I would buy one in a heartbeat, with very specific demands. 5 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
he b gb 262 Posted August 8, 2021 Share Posted August 8, 2021 More details please ^^^ especially about the 26.6 kts upwind!! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Ruminator 156 Posted August 8, 2021 Author Share Posted August 8, 2021 5 hours ago, steelmadesteamer said: I would prefer more "complex flavor", not just the boat appearance (design)! At least higher grade (better) construction materials + experienced/reliable Yard is what ALSO "must be served" to me! Sure this all together gives less choices, but final one goes much better balanced! With these criteria set, who meets this goal for you? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Ruminator 156 Posted August 8, 2021 Author Share Posted August 8, 2021 4 hours ago, plywoodboy said: felt like string theory. Both quite humorous and an illustrative comment! I presume that during said experiences the vessel was lightly loaded (?). And as such do you recall the bridge deck clearance? Thanks! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Max Rockatansky 920 Posted August 9, 2021 Share Posted August 9, 2021 Mojo… 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Ruminator 156 Posted August 9, 2021 Author Share Posted August 9, 2021 51 minutes ago, Max Rockatansky said: Mojo… Nice call. Great designer + great build team = great multihull. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Justaquickone 67 Posted August 9, 2021 Share Posted August 9, 2021 If I won the lottery a Banalus MC60sq would push all my buttons . Such a shame only 2 were produced . 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Ruminator 156 Posted August 9, 2021 Author Share Posted August 9, 2021 7 minutes ago, Justaquickone said: If I won the lottery a Banalus MC60sq would push all my buttons . Another good call. But don't lie to a fellow (if you won the lottery) that 90 would bear your name! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
hoektron 124 Posted August 10, 2021 Share Posted August 10, 2021 On 8/7/2021 at 2:24 PM, Ruminator said: I particularly like how they don't spell out all of their features on the website (kind of a secret sauce thing to protect their IP). Barf. Build quality at the factory is much more important than keeping some "ip" secret lol. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
MultiThom 262 Posted August 11, 2021 Share Posted August 11, 2021 Actual title response-my favorite flavor of multihull is a small trailerable trimaran set up for single handing. Something easy and quick to setup, points well to weather, roller furling jib and spinnaker, tow weight small enough for a typical SUV. Boomless and self tacking jib are a nice addition. 4 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Speng 14 Posted August 11, 2021 Share Posted August 11, 2021 On 8/8/2021 at 3:14 AM, Mordoc said: They use a different (better) system for more than 7 years already. What I like about the Stealth cat is the high build quality, the new retractable outboard system with ‚3D plug’, and it is super light at just 3.5to (Stealth 13). These are designed for warmer climates (great ventilation), TS-42 and TS-5 more for the Atlantic circle. Both companies have a strong focus on racers. Let‘s not forget the Dazcats, but very expensive. Two Tillers vs. two wheels - I like both systems. One of the few things I don‘t like about the TS is the completely unprotected steering position (very wet) … and It can be painful doing business with french guys. I think the TS/ORC boats are also oriented for the tropics as AFAIK the default is for a fabric rear to the bridgedeck same as the Asia Cats. I can see the idea but to me it is risky if you don't have watertight doors to the hulls as you could get water, criminals, bugs, or other invaders into the boat. I'm not sure if either have a Seawind style trifold door which I'm a big fan of as well. Both lines to me are pretty nice. You get a lot of customization, they're proven quick, they seem to be good value for the $$, they're both attractive to me. I prefer the transverse bunk orientation, the use of outboards of the Stealths I prefer the watertight doors of the TS42 The Stealths are amazingly light, I wonder what ISO Category they fall under? 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
longy 855 Posted August 11, 2021 Share Posted August 11, 2021 Stealth cats have a three panel door which folds up against the ceiling when full open. Very light, one person operation. In rough weather, door down, use either side opening door to get in/out. Don't know who used this system first. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
PIL66 - XL2 1,074 Posted August 16, 2021 Share Posted August 16, 2021 On 8/12/2021 at 2:33 AM, Speng said: I think the TS/ORC boats are also oriented for the tropics as AFAIK the default is for a fabric rear to the bridgedeck same as the Asia Cats. I can see the idea but to me it is risky if you don't have watertight doors to the hulls as you could get water, criminals, bugs, or other invaders into the boat. I'm not sure if either have a Seawind style trifold door which I'm a big fan of as well. Both lines to me are pretty nice. You get a lot of customization, they're proven quick, they seem to be good value for the $$, they're both attractive to me. I prefer the transverse bunk orientation, the use of outboards of the Stealths I prefer the watertight doors of the TS42 The Stealths are amazingly light, I wonder what ISO Category they fall under? Agree......but as said above they have a great hinge up door now......... throw in the Dazcats... and Schioning G series boats..... but bang for buck on a new boat would go to the Asia Cats If semi rich... TS5 for me Quote Link to post Share on other sites
unShirley 256 Posted August 16, 2021 Share Posted August 16, 2021 My first multihull was a Hobie 16. My first Trimaran was a Tremolino. I became a devoted Newick fan because that boat was so fun to sail. Sailing on two different Vals and a Tricia only deepened my devotion to all things Newick. I know that they are very old designs but, to me, they are classics that won't ever go out of style. 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Ruminator 156 Posted August 16, 2021 Author Share Posted August 16, 2021 Thus far no votes for GunBoat, HH, Chris White, etc. Interesting... 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
oldsurfer 180 Posted August 16, 2021 Share Posted August 16, 2021 On 8/11/2021 at 8:20 AM, MultiThom said: Actual title response-my favorite flavor of multihull is a small trailerable trimaran set up for single handing. Something easy and quick to setup, points well to weather, roller furling jib and spinnaker, tow weight small enough for a typical SUV. Boomless and self tacking jib are a nice addition. 2 hours ago, unShirley said: My first multihull was a Hobie 16. My first Trimaran was a Tremolino. I became a devoted Newick fan because that boat was so fun to sail. Sailing on two different Vals and a Tricia only deepened my devotion to all things Newick. I know that they are very old designs but, to me, they are classics that won't ever go out of style. MultiThom, I couldn't agree more about a trailerable tri. unShirley, Russell worked with Newick on different projects and Dick's Tremolino influence can be seen in Russell's small tri build. It is a very old design but, to me, it is a classic that won't ever go out of style. 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
MultiThom 262 Posted August 17, 2021 Share Posted August 17, 2021 A lighter boat makes for a more pleasurable sail on any multihull (well, OK, makes the chop harder to get through). Newicks are light for their length, Humdinger is light for its length. Amazing to do this "back then". Production multihulls seem to glom on the gelcoat for a "pretty" finish at the detriment for sailing enjoyment. Makes sense for production companies, they are selling toys and folks don't want ugly toys. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
vokstar 116 Posted August 17, 2021 Share Posted August 17, 2021 8 hours ago, Ruminator said: Thus far no votes for GunBoat, HH, Chris White, etc. Interesting... Was very surprised that GB48's weren't mentioned.. Especially since there is one for sale too. Not my boat so you don't get to see my norks. https://au.yachtworld.com/yacht/2008-gunboat-48-7930213/ Quote Link to post Share on other sites
F18 Sailor 327 Posted August 17, 2021 Share Posted August 17, 2021 11 hours ago, vokstar said: Was very surprised that GB48's weren't mentioned.. Especially since there is one for sale too. Not my boat so you don't get to see my norks. https://au.yachtworld.com/yacht/2008-gunboat-48-7930213/ There is plenty of love for the GB's, HH's and Chris White designs on these forums. They are all great boats in their own unique way. Unfortunately, most are out of the budget of even the moderately wealthy. The GB48 posted above is probably the closest to reality for the 1.5%, but still a pretty penny and in the "dream boat" category for most of us! 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
PIL66 - XL2 1,074 Posted August 17, 2021 Share Posted August 17, 2021 17 hours ago, vokstar said: Was very surprised that GB48's weren't mentioned.. Especially since there is one for sale too. Not my boat so you don't get to see my norks. https://au.yachtworld.com/yacht/2008-gunboat-48-7930213/ this GB is as good as it gets..... I felt the poster was talking about lower end ($500k - $1m) performance production boats like Asia Cats that are bordering on racer - cruiser .... BTW... GB's are arguably No. 1 ... HH has tried to be GB but they have had some serious build issues (de lam) and for me they are not as pretty.... Chris White are not in the same performance bracket..... I'd go cruising on 888 7 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
longy 855 Posted August 18, 2021 Share Posted August 18, 2021 Both SA built GB's I viewed getting worked on at Westerly (California) had 10's of de-lam repairs per hull. On boat was finished & sailed out of SA, the other was a hull& deck left unfinished when Gunboat SA went bust. Comments from most involved were these were common issues. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
PIL66 - XL2 1,074 Posted August 18, 2021 Share Posted August 18, 2021 Ok, I was not aware of these..... In saying all this, de-lam issues is a worry but they are building lightweight structures that are likely to get pushed harder than the average production cat in a regatta environment at times...... I will say it again.... these Stealth cats are excellent bang for buck 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
T sailor 90 Posted August 18, 2021 Share Posted August 18, 2021 So, what kind of pricing are the Stealth cats coming in at? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
longy 855 Posted August 18, 2021 Share Posted August 18, 2021 I had a part in bringing "GaleForce' (as seen in vid) to SoCal. Purchase price was mid 200K, shipping another 80K, upgrades/repairs once here about 30K. I have no idea what a new one costs. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
PIL66 - XL2 1,074 Posted August 19, 2021 Share Posted August 19, 2021 11 hours ago, T sailor said: So, what kind of pricing are the Stealth cats coming in at? Hold.... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Max Rockatansky 920 Posted August 19, 2021 Share Posted August 19, 2021 On 8/16/2021 at 5:06 PM, Ruminator said: Thus far no votes for GunBoat, HH, Chris White, etc. Interesting... Not sure about HH, but CW and GB both have fwd cockpits. No. The CW ( IIRC an A42) that I have been aboard didn’t appeal to me at all (interior layout sucked and didn’t like its anchor setup), and I’ve been aboard a couple GB at the Miami shows and didn’t like them either (things like lines run under panels, giant windows) Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Upp3 253 Posted August 20, 2021 Share Posted August 20, 2021 20 hours ago, Max Rockatansky said: Not sure about HH, but CW and GB both have fwd cockpits. No. Iirc HHs can have fwd cockpit or traditional aft helms. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Max Rockatansky 920 Posted August 20, 2021 Share Posted August 20, 2021 My issue with fwd pit is less the helm itself as the recess and opening to catch any green wave into which the boat may punch. Lotta new cats have similar ‘front porch;’ it is fashionable these days I guess 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
fufkin 641 Posted August 20, 2021 Share Posted August 20, 2021 I like the helm set up on the Alibi 54. Articulating wheels/binnacles on port/starboard, each with three positions...outboard seated at the rail, standing middle position on deck, and inboard protected down on the cockpit floor (looking through the cabin). Balance cats seem to have gone for the articulating set up in some models, though with one wheel. One of the semi customized boats on the market beats some of the above mentioned in the looks department, at least to my eye. Their were 11 built, and most of the owners swapped the retractable rudders and the original electric engines for diesels. I also like the rather unique bow dinghy launching system, which clears up clutter from the stern, both giving people a well earned view at sundowners time and keeping the stern sexy for onlookers. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Ruminator 156 Posted August 21, 2021 Author Share Posted August 21, 2021 22 hours ago, fufkin said: I like the helm set up on the Alibi 54. A lot of good design aspects (probably before their time...) with the Alibi. Always wanted that forward tender nacelle to work, but I always thought it might a.) slam in rough seas and b.) be the 'terror' to disembark (even while sober). Love the hidey-hole hatch between the skippers berth and the saloon (as shown in that 2011 model that recently sold). In fact, that 2011 unit cleaned up nice and was really looking sharp! I always thought it humorous/interesting that certain folks associated with the Balance Catamaran Group claimed to have 'invented' the articulating binnacle for the multilocation helms, when obviously it was in the public domain long before Balance came to the market.... 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Ruminator 156 Posted August 21, 2021 Author Share Posted August 21, 2021 OK, let's stir the pot, then I'm off to enjoy some 'crispy' Southern Florida weather (outside, against my wishes, not on a boat, etc.) this Saturday afternoon. McConaghy Boats: moths, mono's and cats wooo-hooo baby! Or not wooo-hooo?... Since I never placed a price $$$ limit on your vision of a perfect multihull when I started this thread - what are the thoughts on McConaghy bigger cats? I really think the MC60 is perhaps the best looking cat with a fly bridge. Perhaps not perfect, but a very, very nice offering. Although I must admit the MC90 is the swagger. If they made that twin helm version in a 60-70ft version I buy it (after some inheritance or robbing a bank). Happy Weekend SA ruffians! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Airwick 245 Posted August 22, 2021 Share Posted August 22, 2021 3 hours ago, Ruminator said: I really think the MC60 is perhaps the best looking cat with a fly bridge. Differing opinions are great, it reeeeallly doesn't do it for me though, I would say I find it hideous! All the sharp bits sticking out and "stepped" lines really don't work for me! I find the GB68 to be the best looking big cat out there (no flybridge though but the 72 still looks good, especially if you lowered the gooseneck a couple of feet to only have standing headroom at the back). It would still look really clean if chopped of 6ft of bow and a couple feet from the back! The MC-90 looks a lot better... I always like the Alibi and it seems like it was ahead of its time when you look at the latest performance oriented cats out there, not sure how the tender storage would pan out in "real-life", but it seems like a neat solution. Curious how how much it would risk getting plowed through green water and ripped away (although maybe it just gets pushed up and "wedged in place", as long as it doesn't get swamped it's probably ok? I wondered if you could use the dinghy as an "outboard sled" as emergency propulsion (when the all electric system craps out...) I find the stern arrangement of the MC-60 really scary from a seaworthiness point of view though: there's a tender lift that is level with the aft deck and goes right up to the transom so there is literally nothing stopping a following breaking wave from slamming in the rear sliding doors and there is no stern sticking out to start lifting the back of the boat, and it's really not high above the water to start with! This dinghy is going to end up in the "living room" (with the wave that carried it) sooner rather than later either in heavy weather or just going through a bar/pass with following swell! 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
smj 38 Posted August 22, 2021 Share Posted August 22, 2021 Way under budget compared to most of the cats in this thread, but I’ve always had a fondness for Shuttleworth designs since seeing a new Tek 35 on our first cruise in 92. 9 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
PIL66 - XL2 1,074 Posted August 23, 2021 Share Posted August 23, 2021 I completely missed this Alibi 54.... It's could be my dream boat with some added features The dinghy solution doesn't work for me but the rest does Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Wess 3,036 Posted August 23, 2021 Share Posted August 23, 2021 Interesting that there are only cats noted. For the wife and I, at this stage in our life, while we used ti own cats, we have now picked a tri (over a cat). Love the tri. Would be hard to go back but as life changes its possible. But for now the tri has everything we want and nothing we don't. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Wess 3,036 Posted August 23, 2021 Share Posted August 23, 2021 5 hours ago, steelmadesteamer said: Starting with smaller dinghies and shifting to a larger cruising monos (together with changes in life), years later moving to cats and feeling totally happy with that, these days (and age) my thoughts are deeper and deeper ... on a tri! 1-2-...3 seems logical! There are a lot of benefits to tris, especially to the Corsairs. We have a big one and love it. Honestly don't think there is any other boat that can do what our tri can... * Fun and responsive to sail; does 20 knots plus * Sleeps 4 easily in two separate staterooms * Standing headroom, hot and cold pressure water, functional head and shower, nice galley (fridge and freezer) and salon. * Self sustaining and can live on hook indefinitely (until you run out of food) * When bored with the east coast, fold it up, put it on a trailer, and drive it to the west coast * Unsinkable * All in for under $200K The funny thing is we had a 7 figure budget for a new (to us) performance cruising catamaran. Turns out we needed far less money to have far more fun and function. 4 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
smj 38 Posted August 24, 2021 Share Posted August 24, 2021 5 hours ago, Wess said: There are a lot of benefits to tris, especially to the Corsairs. We have a big one and love it. Honestly don't think there is any other boat that can do what our tri can... * Fun and responsive to sail; does 20 knots plus * Sleeps 4 easily in two separate staterooms * Standing headroom, hot and cold pressure water, functional head and shower, nice galley (fridge and freezer) and salon. * Self sustaining and can live on hook indefinitely (until you run out of food) * When bored with the east coast, fold it up, put it on a trailer, and drive it to the west coast * Unsinkable * All in for under $200K The funny thing is we had a 7 figure budget for a new (to us) performance cruising catamaran. Turns out we needed far less money to have far more fun and function. You got me on the trailer ability but our all in was under $100k. Don’t get me wrong the trailer ability is something I frequently think about, especially during hurricane season! 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mpenman 180 Posted August 26, 2021 Share Posted August 26, 2021 On 8/17/2021 at 7:20 PM, PIL66 - XL2 said: GB's are arguably No. 1 ... HH has tried to be GB but they have had some serious build issues (de lam) and for me they are not as pretty.... Chris White are not in the same performance bracket..... Disagree with this post. The GB's have the most fan following because of the camaraderie amongst the various owners. I think that's a real positive for the brand. Some of the build quality has some hiccups, but the French built boats are adhering to quality IMHO. CW boats have the same camaraderie, they just don't make videos and post them. They're just out sailing and grinning. Two years ago you had 7 CW's leave outta Newport and sail to Bermuda. Good natured bantering followed everyone's arrival into port. I disagree on the performance bracket piece and here's why. Most of the times when I GB or an HH is turbo-up they've got folks manning the main and the jib. Do the same with a 57 and you'll get the same if not better performance. The fastest 57 out there is Cerulean because she's damn light, HEKLA most probably right behind her. I will tell you that the most important thing to watch on the performance side is hull layup, too much faring and the boat gets heavy quickly. For speed I'll take Skylark (72) over all. That boat is wicked quick. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Lowgroove 102 Posted August 27, 2021 Share Posted August 27, 2021 Some of my favourite boats in no particular order. Seacart 30 All thre Multi 50's Formula 40's This thing Venom Grainger 42 Black Marlin Morpheus Gunboat Paradox Extreme 40 8 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
PIL66 - XL2 1,074 Posted August 27, 2021 Share Posted August 27, 2021 @Lowgroove100% on all... but I will selfishly and shamelessly add this one 7 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Billy Bob 41 Posted August 27, 2021 Share Posted August 27, 2021 Still my favorite flavor! 22 years of togetherness! For an oldie she is still the boat of my dreams. 7 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Happy Wolf 0 Posted October 13, 2021 Share Posted October 13, 2021 I noticed that while quite a few bigger cats were mentioned, there seems to be a lack of bigger tris that are appealing to the audience. Anything out there in the performance cruising camp other than Finn and Venom ? Throw in the Rapido 60 … Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Happy Wolf 0 Posted October 13, 2021 Share Posted October 13, 2021 sorry, meant Shockwave not Venom as large tri … Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Laurent 2,002 Posted October 13, 2021 Share Posted October 13, 2021 On 8/7/2021 at 2:24 PM, Ruminator said: So after a lengthy absence (closing in on a decade) of posting to this illustrious anarchistic cloud-based diatribe, I notice that there seems to be no absence of pessimistic comments about some multihulls. I'm not saying that isn't without merit, as that is being discussed elsewhere. However, my point is where are the anarchists talking about their favorite multihulls? Yes, sprinkled here and there, you might find a gem of a comment; but scattered they are. So let’s hear from you hedonistic types anchored in remote shallow waters… So, I'll start. Although I am fond of the French Marsaudon Composites Group (TS/ORC whatever your favorite acronym is), I think others are in better position to comment on them. But their resume is impressive (I saw Mouse Trap once at Rob-the-Rich). So my first offering is the Stealth Design line out of Asia Catamarans. I like some of the subtleties that Alan and Roger put into their work. I particularly like how they don't spell out all of their features on the website (kind of a secret sauce thing to protect their IP). So you have to have a bit of a keen eye. One of the better ones I like is the completely retractable outboard system they have (no nacelle) that I’ve recently also noticed on a Schionning. And I do think the mast bulkhead geometry is unique, not your typical right-angle arrangement. They might not have originated these aspects in modern boats, but they are using them. Oh, yes and they are fast to boot! Can you give a bit more details on that outboard arrangement on the Stealth? It seems intriguing... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
[email protected] 426 Posted October 14, 2021 Share Posted October 14, 2021 There are a few photos of an Asia Cat (or 2) on the recently run St Helena Cup facebook page if you have time to kill... here's one, I did see one from astern too, but not sure which site. This one seemed to have simple slides with the OBs being raised vertically. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Ruminator 156 Posted October 14, 2021 Author Share Posted October 14, 2021 A couple of strings to pull here: 1. There is this video (a bit dry) but Alan talks about their "3D plug" and he starts to make some motions with his hands, but then never shows it or completely describes it either. Asia Catamarans - Interview with Alan Carwardine - Behind the Beams Ep5 - YouTube 2. I think longy perhaps has seen this feature (see his posts above). You might try sending him a PM. 3. I have also heard that some previous editions had a hull section similar to a bow thruster. The pic is of a Schionning, but like the Seawind tri-fold door - it's hard to know for sure who did it first. Strong cross-pollination in Oceania there seems to have been. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Ruminator 156 Posted October 14, 2021 Author Share Posted October 14, 2021 7 hours ago, Happy Wolf said: there seems to be a lack of bigger tris that are appealing to the audience. Kinda an open-ended statement. Are you looking for more examples? Or were you wanting to promote some examples or design features? If so, type away! BTW: Shockwave is a Marsaudon masterpiece, but Mr. Grainger's Venom is also rightfully excellent as well. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Keith 1,517 Posted October 14, 2021 Share Posted October 14, 2021 Amazing machine. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
kruiter 27 Posted October 14, 2021 Share Posted October 14, 2021 Still looking for the perfect multi for Hawaii's rough seas and strong winds. Started out on a Hobie 16, but that's just not something for the open ocean IMO. Was looking for a bigger cat, to get outside the reef, when I stumbled on my Horstmann 31 Tri. Lots right Lele for this location. Huge freeboard, huge reserve boyancy in the AMAs, tough as nails, inexpensive enough that you don't need a loan or any insurance other than what the state requires, and not too expensive for a slip, though since it is not folding, it cannot be just any slip. Big enough to camp if you want to, and big enough to go inter-island, though I doubt I would go further than that on it. Small enough to single hand easily. Downside: faster would be a lot better. Not just because fast is fun, but because I would really need a week to go Kauai and back. If that could truly be cut in half it could be done on a long weekend and become a ton more viable. Also, 31 feet is just enough for inter island, I think, but not long distance voyaging. If I could go just a bit bigger and a lot faster while remaining rough ocean capable it would be very appealing. I watching the development of the small Rapido with interest. But the big motivation would be extra speed, and I'm not sure I really believe I would see that much more speed. On the Horstmann I am often more limited by ocean conditions than anything else, so I am looking forward to finding out what the small Rapido can really do in rough seas. Not looking for folding because I try to get out once a week or so, and any extra time with setup and teardown would be a problem. I can start my motor, throw off the lines, be away from the dock in a few minutes, and sort out sail covers, bumpers etc while heading towards the channel. Would not want to give that up. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
longy 855 Posted October 14, 2021 Share Posted October 14, 2021 Alan/Stealth has done several different installs that I am aware of. On the smaller boats, outb'd is on tracksrunning across stern step. Slide aft, than rotate down. On the 13m model, install like the Schionning - vertical in an hull well, with a hull close off panel attached to the bottom of the motor. My client wanted a instant use/less hassle option, his boat has Yanmar's with saildrives Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Dave_S 1 Posted December 22, 2021 Share Posted December 22, 2021 On 10/14/2021 at 10:37 AM, Ruminator said: Do you have a link to this video. Thanks Dave Quote Link to post Share on other sites
MultiThom 262 Posted December 22, 2021 Share Posted December 22, 2021 On 10/13/2021 at 7:52 PM, kruiter said: Still looking for the perfect multi for Hawaii's rough seas and strong winds. Started out on a Hobie 16, but that's just not something for the open ocean IMO. Was looking for a bigger cat, to get outside the reef, when I stumbled on my Horstmann 31 Tri. Lots right Lele for this location. Huge freeboard, huge reserve boyancy in the AMAs, tough as nails, inexpensive enough that you don't need a loan or any insurance other than what the state requires, and not too expensive for a slip, though since it is not folding, it cannot be just any slip. Big enough to camp if you want to, and big enough to go inter-island, though I doubt I would go further than that on it. Small enough to single hand easily. Downside: faster would be a lot better. ... Not looking for folding because I try to get out once a week or so, and any extra time with setup and teardown would be a problem. I can start my motor, throw off the lines, be away from the dock in a few minutes, and sort out sail covers, bumpers etc while heading towards the channel. Would not want to give that up. Might want to reconsider folding. Everything you describe above is still do'able with an F31 or bigger; motoring out of the slip and unfolding is pretty easy and still do'able while you motor down the channel--yah you lose a lot of storage from the Horstman but you gain about 5 kts or more. It'll save you in slip fees but cost a lot more to get into and insure (but the Rapido would be even more $$$). Additional benefit is you can pull out on your own to do bottom work when you need new bottom paint. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mpenman 180 Posted December 22, 2021 Share Posted December 22, 2021 Built at Aquidneck Custom. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Ruminator 156 Posted December 23, 2021 Author Share Posted December 23, 2021 On 12/22/2021 at 8:26 AM, Dave_S said: Do you have a link to this video. Thanks Dave Schionning Cosmos 1100 for sale - YouTube 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Ruminator 156 Posted December 23, 2021 Author Share Posted December 23, 2021 22 hours ago, mpenman said: Built at Aquidneck Custom. Now you're just teasing us! Seriously, that has to be a great ride. Do you have any sailing pictures? And for the $64,000 question: how was it like working with Aquidneck? Cheers! 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
23feet 34 Posted December 23, 2021 Share Posted December 23, 2021 For those of more modest means, I offer my Tiki 21. Like all Wharrams, it will take you anywhere in complete discomfort. Fair winds James Wharram 10 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mpenman 180 Posted December 24, 2021 Share Posted December 24, 2021 23 hours ago, Ruminator said: Now you're just teasing us! Seriously, that has to be a great ride. Do you have any sailing pictures? And for the $64,000 question: how was it like working with Aquidneck? Cheers! Ruminator, This is the second of the Atlantic 72's, but with galley up. I'll start a separate thread one of these days. Boat sails like a dream. Hit the water sans mast at 29,500lbs and with the rig from offshore and with cruising stuff onboard, we're sitting about 1/2 to 3/4 of an inch high on the DWL. I'm sure once the wife gets serious, we'll put another 1100lbs of stuff on and she'll be sitting just perfect. Aquidneck IMHO are one of, if not the best option, to build a boat like this. Their workmanship is off the charts incredible. What's different about this boat over all my others is the stiffness. We have very large forward windows (tempered glass) and they don't even move relative to the frame. Only our second sail on the boat was Newport to South Carolina. We throttled back a fair as the weather was kinda lumpy outta Newport with gusts to 40knts and some confused seas around Cape May. Once I dial her in, 300+ days are gone be easily done in cruising mode. She's a beast disguised as a cruising boat. 4 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mpenman 180 Posted December 24, 2021 Share Posted December 24, 2021 22 hours ago, 23feet said: For those of more modest means, I offer my Tiki 21. Like all Wharrams, it will take you anywhere in complete discomfort. Fair winds James Wharram That's pretty funny right there. Comfort is a peculiar thing, it means different things to different people. Some consider roughing it when the icemaker is non-functional, where others, like me, consider marinas to be roughing it. Great picture. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
eastern motors 162 Posted December 24, 2021 Share Posted December 24, 2021 Thoughts? 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
MultiThom 262 Posted December 25, 2021 Share Posted December 25, 2021 2 hours ago, eastern motors said: Thoughts? Whenever I see a cat this size I ask, what makes it better than a seawind 1190? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Russell Brown 1,240 Posted December 25, 2021 Share Posted December 25, 2021 18 minutes ago, MultiThom said: Whenever I see a cat this size I ask, what makes it better than a seawind 1190? Did you look at the video? Besides being a bit of a pregnant guppy, it looks like a proper sailboat, one that could actually go upwind in chop and wind and be relatively quick. It's not my style, but lot's of cool details for a production boat. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
D Wayne G 161 Posted December 25, 2021 Share Posted December 25, 2021 I thought you were going a bit soft Russell but I agree. That is a pretty cool boat. Merry Christmas. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
eastern motors 162 Posted December 25, 2021 Share Posted December 25, 2021 16 hours ago, MultiThom said: Whenever I see a cat this size I ask, what makes it better than a seawind 1190? The claimed displacement is less than half. So I don't think these boats are competitors. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Russell Brown 1,240 Posted December 25, 2021 Share Posted December 25, 2021 10 hours ago, D Wayne G said: I thought you were going a bit soft Russell but I agree. That is a pretty cool boat. Merry Christmas. Soft, or soft in the head? My feet have finally warmed up. Merry Christmas! It's snowing here. 6 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
MultiThom 262 Posted December 25, 2021 Share Posted December 25, 2021 5 hours ago, eastern motors said: The claimed displacement is less than half. So I don't think these boats are competitors. Thanks, so presumably it's better than the Seawind in light breeze and acceleration. Another thing it does better is travel to where you are since it is a boat in a box and can be delivered via container (assuming you can get a container in these times). Better is subjective and depends on what you want to use the boat for. It would probably make a good racer. What I want in a boat is easy sailhanding since I'll likely be alone (reefing, mainsail hoisting, self tacking, roller furling jib and spin) and comfortable stateroom, nice galley and easy parking and mooring and anchoring and reliable secondary power and reliable autopilot. I do like a boat that points well and can do 300 mile days if the wind is good. Anything under a million $US since that's all I can afford in a new toy. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
eastern motors 162 Posted December 26, 2021 Share Posted December 26, 2021 It's 3-4ft shorter and open top. Is that the biggest Seawind you can get for a million? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
MultiThom 262 Posted December 26, 2021 Share Posted December 26, 2021 54 minutes ago, eastern motors said: It's 3-4ft shorter and open top. Is that the biggest Seawind you can get for a million? Nah, the 1190 sport just seems to be setup for what i want in a boat for single handing. Costs about the same as the IC36. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Ruminator 156 Posted December 26, 2021 Author Share Posted December 26, 2021 On 12/24/2021 at 10:37 AM, mpenman said: This is the second of the Atlantic 72's, but with galley up. I'll start a separate thread one of these days. Boat sails like a dream. When the time is right, I'll hold you to the promise of sharing some photos! In the meantime; enjoy!! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Max Rockatansky 920 Posted January 5 Share Posted January 5 On 12/24/2021 at 6:01 PM, eastern motors said: Thoughts? IMO it’s a TRT but better-thought-out. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Redreuben 109 Posted January 5 Share Posted January 5 This would do me, big enough for company small enough to single hand and it likes it rough. Chamberlain Cirrro. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
karst 19 Posted January 5 Share Posted January 5 5 hours ago, steelmadesteamer said: There is even bigger - 40ft open - trailerable cat also can be carried in 2x40' sea containers. Ability to simplify cat transportation to chosen destination was exactly what the Owner asked from designer/engineers. Built in the Netherlands. Claim to sail @ 75% of wind speed. Any guess on cost? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Russell Brown 1,240 Posted January 5 Share Posted January 5 3 hours ago, Redreuben said: This would do me, big enough for company small enough to single hand and it likes it rough. Chamberlain Cirrro. I saw some of those in Australia and liked them. Are there better photos? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Redreuben 109 Posted January 5 Share Posted January 5 5 hours ago, Russell Brown said: I saw some of those in Australia and liked them. Are there better photos? https://www.boatdesign.net/threads/trimarans-30-to-50.56377/ Quote Link to post Share on other sites
vokstar 116 Posted January 29 Share Posted January 29 This is an interesting looking thing, not necessarily my bag, but does look a GB 55/7, although predates them and is designed by M&M, unlike the GB 55/7 that was done by Neil Irens. https://au.yachtworld.com/yacht/2007-morrelli-$-melvin-50-8197844/ Quote Link to post Share on other sites
MultiThom 262 Posted January 29 Share Posted January 29 54 minutes ago, vokstar said: This is an interesting looking thing, not necessarily my bag, but does look a GB 55/7, although predates them and is designed by M&M, unlike the GB 55/7 that was done by Neil Irens. https://au.yachtworld.com/yacht/2007-morrelli-$-melvin-50-8197844/ Nice advertisement. I always like advo that accents the sailing controls and spends just a little time on the berthing and galley. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Lars Schrøder d 13 18 Posted January 29 Share Posted January 29 I'll go for a-cat - simple, no need for crew, cheap, capable of doing +20 knots upwind! 4 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
PIL66 - XL2 1,074 Posted February 23 Share Posted February 23 Any one know more about this...? I like it I think https://www.yachtworld.com/boats-for-sale/make-corthinx/model-blue-saga-45/ Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Justaquickone 67 Posted February 23 Share Posted February 23 On 1/29/2022 at 1:31 PM, vokstar said: This is an interesting looking thing, not necessarily my bag, but does look a GB 55/7, although predates them and is designed by M&M, unlike the GB 55/7 that was done by Neil Irens. https://au.yachtworld.com/yacht/2007-morrelli-$-melvin-50-8197844/ I was liking it until I saw the wheel and cluster of clutch's in the cabin . 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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