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I live in a small harbor town on the CT coast. We are adjacent to a larger urban town.  The town is run by a board of selectmen and there is a very good sense of community. The population is 21,700.  4,600 are under the age of 12 so our vaccine eligible population is 17,100.

As at 8/18, 96% of our vaccine eligible residents had at least one shot , and 88% had both shots. This will reach 96% in about 2 weeks.

Here are the age group details

               1st shot    Fully Vaccinated

12-17     97.48%     87.72%
18-24     99+%        94.66%
25-44     85.77%     78.43%
45-64     95.38%     90.92%
65+        99+%        95.97%

I am particularly impressed by the 18-24 year old demographic setting an example to their community. They are 95% fully vaccinated and on their way to 100%.

This is a very American town with a real sense of community . Neighbors drop off home grown vegetables on your door step. The local primary care physicians know their patients by name .  The neighborhood patch forums are proud of our vaccination achievements. The town selectmen update the town covid website on a weekly basis. We have a fraction of the infection rate of the towns on either side of us. It feels safe on the high street and folks still wear masks in the grocery store. Covid is addressed locally.

How is your town doing?

 

 

 

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About 2.5% of health care workers in BC are now on unpaid leave because they are not vaccinated.   They will be terminated if not vaccinated by a certain date.   Our provincial health officer: 

IF the consumption in the US actually had anything to do about lack of consumption elsewhere, I'd agree with you. But like starving kids in Africa, whether Johnny finishes his veggies or not, that kid

I think the number for herd immunity  is going to turn out to be closer to 90%. Vaccinated. .No science on my part. Our little town is teaching that level and we have fraction of the cases of the town

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Since July 21st, 100% of our covid positive tests have been the Delta variant.  The Delta variant first appeared in the last week of May with one case, when most cases were Alpha. Alpha has completely disappeared .

In all of May and June, we only had 4 cases per month.  August so far ,we have already had 49 cases , an increase of 12.5x (all Delta). But still well below the 400 cases we had in a month pre-vaccine. 18 cases were under 12 years old., 15 were non-vaccinated adults. 16 were vaccinated adults.

Thus in August:   

15/1,986 unvaccinated people over the age of 12 tested positive for covid

16/15,146 vaccinated people tested positive

18/ 4,595 children under 12 tested positive.

We also have a daily report over the past trailing 7 days.  The information is detailed and transparent. 

 

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26 minutes ago, EYESAILOR said:

I live in a small harbor town on the CT coast. We are adjacent to a larger urban town.  The town is run by a board of selectmen and there is a very good sense of community. The population is 21,700.  4,600 are under the age of 12 so our vaccine eligible population is 17,100.

As at 8/18, 96% of our vaccine eligible residents had at least one shot , and 88% had both shots. This will reach 96% in about 2 weeks.

Here are the age group details

               1st shot    Fully Vaccinated

12-17     97.48%     87.72%
18-24     99+%        94.66%
25-44     85.77%     78.43%
45-64     95.38%     90.92%
65+        99+%        95.97%

I am particularly impressed by the 18-24 year old demographic setting an example to their community. They are 95% fully vaccinated and on their way to 100%.

This is a very American town with a real sense of community . Neighbors drop off home grown vegetables on your door step. The local primary care physicians know their patients by name .  The neighborhood patch forums are proud of our vaccination achievements. The town selectmen update the town covid website on a weekly basis. We have a fraction of the infection rate of the towns on either side of us. It feels safe on the high street and folks still wear masks in the grocery store. Covid is addressed locally.

How is your town doing?

 

 

 

 

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I dunno about the demographics, other than a much higher percentage of people over 65 are vaccinated. The overall percentage is 45% and it's creeping up slowly (about 2% a week) after being stalled for months.

But about 2/3 of people in public wear masks correctly, many stores are now demanding that people walking in wear masks.

Hospital is currently in OK shape, elective procedures are proceeding, beds available. The thing I worry about is the positive rate is going up, currently 12.5%

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11 minutes ago, Steam Flyer said:

I dunno about the demographics, other than a much higher percentage of people over 65 are vaccinated. The overall percentage is 45% and it's creeping up slowly (about 2% a week) after being stalled for months.

But about 2/3 of people in public wear masks correctly, many stores are now demanding that people walking in wear masks.

Hospital is currently in OK shape, elective procedures are proceeding, beds available. The thing I worry about is the positive rate is going up, currently 12.5%

- DSK

 

Our positivity rate got as low as 0.2% in June and has increased to 3.2% last week. It was 15.8% in April 2020 which was the peak of the pandemic for our town.

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Ugh, 40 per 100 k daily is a high number of cases.

That would be equivalent in our town to 270 cases a month.  We did have a 400 case month before vaccines but we do not ever want to go back to that again.  After 4 cases a month for May and June, returning to 50 feels like a backward step. 

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Central Island is really just a couple of small cities - Nanaimo and Duncan.  We are getting many cases and according to my health care professional wife our covid units are full of almost exclusively unvaccinated patients, a significant number of which are unvaccinated children.  The population of the central island is around 200K.  Things are somewhat worse now that when we had the original variants.  

This started when the government opened up travel between regions and provinces at the beginning of the summer.  The delta variant said 'thank-you very much' and found its way into the unvaccinated. 

I learned today that while grades 4-12 must be masked at school next month, the teachers are not required to be vaccinated.  WTF?  As a retired teacher this makes no sense to me.  As a parent I am glad I don't have young children going back to school - I think I would keep them home.

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1 hour ago, EYESAILOR said:

I live in a small harbor town on the CT coast. We are adjacent to a larger urban town.  The town is run by a board of selectmen and there is a very good sense of community. The population is 21,700.  4,600 are under the age of 12 so our vaccine eligible population is 17,100.

As at 8/18, 96% of our vaccine eligible residents had at least one shot , and 88% had both shots. This will reach 96% in about 2 weeks.

Here are the age group details

               1st shot    Fully Vaccinated

12-17     97.48%     87.72%
18-24     99+%        94.66%
25-44     85.77%     78.43%
45-64     95.38%     90.92%
65+        99+%        95.97%

I am particularly impressed by the 18-24 year old demographic setting an example to their community. They are 95% fully vaccinated and on their way to 100%.

This is a very American town with a real sense of community . Neighbors drop off home grown vegetables on your door step. The local primary care physicians know their patients by name .  The neighborhood patch forums are proud of our vaccination achievements. The town selectmen update the town covid website on a weekly basis. We have a fraction of the infection rate of the towns on either side of us. It feels safe on the high street and folks still wear masks in the grocery store. Covid is addressed locally.

How is your town doing?

 

 

 

Must be a lovely place  to live.

Could I ask what the demographic looks like in terms of education and income? 

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3 hours ago, Rain Man said:

I learned today that while grades 4-12 must be masked at school next month, the teachers are not required to be vaccinated.  WTF?  As a retired teacher this makes no sense to me. 

Such is ever thus in a union environment.

Even health care workers are not yet required to be vaccinated and the BC Nurses Union only says that should the province bring in a mandatory vaccine order, it's members should obey it.  Which is a pretty vague position on the matter.

https://globalnews.ca/news/8087122/covid-19-growing-support-for-mandatory-vaccination-of-b-c-health-care-workers/

This item is dated Aug 4, so maybe things have changed in the interim.

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3 hours ago, ShortForBob said:

Must be a lovely place  to live.

Could I ask what the demographic looks like in terms of education and income? 

Overall, the residents have above average income per household compared to the state and the USA. 

The education levels are high with a  well ranked public high school

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Since I live in a village of about 20 people we don't rate separate statistics,  no one in the village has had Covid..

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The England vaccination take up rates.

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The overall the total take up is 87% 1 dose, 75% 2 doses so far, the Area, I live in has an average age of over 50, so the take up average  level is much higher. They have extended the issuing of jabs down to 12 years old if vulnerable to the covid, and are about to extend it to all from 12 years old.

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47 minutes ago, EYESAILOR said:

Overall, the residents have above average income per household compared to the state and the USA. 

The education levels are high with a  well ranked public high school

You seem to be in a good place, however are you able to explain to me as someone from the other  side of the world why universal free public education is the norm but universal free healthcare is seen as socialist !  Is it there is no money in private education but plenty in private medical care

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1 hour ago, Bill E Goat said:

You seem to be in a good place, however are you able to explain to me as someone from the other  side of the world why universal free public education is the norm but universal free healthcare is seen as socialist !  Is it there is no money in private education but plenty in private medical care

I’m going to try and avoid politics in this thread. I’m interested in how local communities are doing in the battle against Covid. 

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This pretty much sums up what is going on around here.  (Louisville, KY).   https://news.yahoo.com/kentucky-governor-says-hed-issue-231105633.html   Went into a restaurant last night to pick up my order and the place was crowded.  I was the ONLY one in the place with a mask!  Around here it is a real mixed bag.  Some stores/restaurants the workers wear masks and the plastic shields are still in place.   Others - it looks pre-pandemic.  

Why some of these legislatures hamstring people trying to do the right things is something I will never understand.  

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1 hour ago, EYESAILOR said:

I’m going to try and avoid politics in this thread. I’m interested in how local communities are doing in the battle against Covid. 

Appreciate it

Here in Sydney we didn't realise how virulent the Delta strain was and having had no cases for a while became complacent, when the PM said the vaccination rollout wasn't a race just showed how stupid/arrogant they were.  However the biggest problem is despite setting rules the outbreaks came from people not following them and spreading it everywhere.  Not sure what you can do about that

PM me with your thoughts on the other subject

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Numbers are climbing again. Local incidence is 57 (41 cases in 7 days), 63 for the region (729 cases in 7 days). 50 for the state and 72 for the nation.  50+ would result in increased measures but all politicians are most hesitant to do that, using any and all leeway to delay. Why? All of them have a serve case of election season....

There are no local vaccination numbers. The state is 67.4% single and 61.3% fully vaccinated. Nation wide 64.8% got a single dose and 59.9% are fully vaccinated. That is calculated against all age groups not just eligible ones. Fudged numbers would be 72.8 and 67.7%.

There is some age information for the vaccine:
60+: 85.6 - 83.7
18-59: 64.3 - 63.7
12+: 29.8 -19.5 (fast uptake, just got approved)

There is some discussion if the real vaccination numbers are higher because reporting by local doctors is shit. Not an unreasonable take. Unfortunately those revised numbers are mighty close to "Lets just count age 12+ that can actually get the vaccine." so I don't know what to make of them.

Local cfr is on the order of 2.13/2.23 (all time, against all cases/recovered). Right now 2.2% of the Covid patients are hospitalized, 2.4% of the in use ICU beds in the region are Covid.

Prognosis? If at all possible maximum delay until the end of next month. Chances are that once the federal election is done the hammer will come down. No need to get elected for a while and nobody want to be remembered for another lockdown.

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1 hour ago, Chasm said:

Numbers are climbing again. Local incidence is 57 (41 cases in 7 days), 63 for the region (729 cases in 7 days). 50 for the state and 72 for the nation.  50+ would result in increased measures but all politicians are most hesitant to do that, using any and all leeway to delay. Why? All of them have a serve case of election season....

There are no local vaccination numbers. The state is 67.4% single and 61.3% fully vaccinated. Nation wide 64.8% got a single dose and 59.9% are fully vaccinated. That is calculated against all age groups not just eligible ones. Fudged numbers would be 72.8 and 67.7%.

There is some age information for the vaccine:
60+: 85.6 - 83.7
18-59: 64.3 - 63.7
12+: 29.8 -19.5 (fast uptake, just got approved)

There is some discussion if the real vaccination numbers are higher because reporting by local doctors is shit. Not an unreasonable take. Unfortunately those revised numbers are mighty close to "Lets just count age 12+ that can actually get the vaccine." so I don't know what to make of them.

Local cfr is on the order of 2.13/2.23 (all time, against all cases/recovered). Right now 2.2% of the Covid patients are hospitalized, 2.4% of the in use ICU beds in the region are Covid.

Prognosis? If at all possible maximum delay until the end of next month. Chances are that once the federal election is done the hammer will come down. No need to get elected for a while and nobody want to be remembered for another lockdown.

Try and say something about where you are reporting from.......country, region, town?

Vaccination uptake seems to depends a great deal on the local community. Drive 15 miles down the road and the vaccination rate and infection rate is entirely different.  Thus , perhaps, we can learn from different communities.

Transparency and reporting is an important component of what is going on in our town.  There is a "town spirit" to try and make it a safer place. The youth vaccination rate is really impressive.

 

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I'm in west central (semirural) Ohio, we are lower then state averages.    

Our numbers, vaccine completed.   

                                     County         State

0-19 y                             7.2             13.5%

20-29y                           22               39.5 %

30-39y                           28              46.5

40-49y                           32               53%

50-59y                           47               61%

60-64y                           61.5             71%

65-69y                          70.5              79%

70-74y                            68                83.5%

75-79y                           76.                 79.5%             

80 + years                      70.5              77%

All ages:                        35.5%           47.5%

Cases last 2 weeks      471                338 / 100,000 people.

 

Hospital load:    Region (3 of 8)               Statewide

% Hosp beds                        8.7                                  7.8

% ICU beds                        12.3                                12.9  

% available Ventilators           8.1                                   7.7

Hospitalization incidence (heat map) is not easily available by county of residence.

COVID-19 Vaccination Dashboard | COVID-19 (ohio.gov)

 

                           

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1 hour ago, Lark said:

I'm in west central (semirural) Ohio, we are lower then state averages.    

Our numbers, vaccine completed.   

                                     County         State

0-19 y                             7.2             13.5%

20-29y                           22               39.5 %

30-39y                           28              46.5

40-49y                           32               53%

50-59y                           47               61%

60-64y                           61.5             71%

65-69y                          70.5              79%

70-74y                            68                83.5%

75-79y                           76.                 79.5%             

80 + years                      70.5              77%

All ages:                        35.5%           47.5%

Cases last 2 weeks      471                338 / 100,000 people.

 

Hospital load:    Region (3 of 8)               Statewide

% Hosp beds                        8.7                                  7.8

% ICU beds                        12.3                                12.9  

% available Ventilators           8.1                                   7.7

Hospitalization incidence (heat map) is not easily available by county of residence.

COVID-19 Vaccination Dashboard | COVID-19 (ohio.gov)

 

                           

What is the population of the county?  Why do you think vaccination rates are so low across the board?

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1 hour ago, EYESAILOR said:

Try and say something about where you are reporting from.......country, region, town?

Vaccination uptake seems to depends a great deal on the local community. Drive 15 miles down the road and the vaccination rate and infection rate is entirely different.  Thus , perhaps, we can learn from different communities.

Transparency and reporting is an important component of what is going on in our town.  There is a "town spirit" to try and make it a safer place. The youth vaccination rate is really impressive.

 

Sounds like homogeneous values.  As you said, higher on the income ad education levels. One town, not tale of two sets of values.  

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10 minutes ago, EYESAILOR said:

What is the population of the county?  Why do you think vaccination rates are so low across the board?

39,000 people.  Politics, social media consumption and education are the primary predictors.   I'm Jim Jordan's district.   Whether we selected him or he selected us, he's a staunch Trump ally and strongly anti mask.  Covid is overstated, cases are being falsely reported (last year), all the usual theories.   My county has a divergence in education and a fair number that commute to Columbus or Dayton.   County demographics are below average in most respects, though it may be edging up with remote working.   Several of the higher paid individuals work for the military industrial complex.   Some may have to enter the local USAF / Space Force base.   I don't know if they will be forced to vaccinate like active duty personal.   

My workplace is unable to enforce vaccine or mask mandates for the public nor personal, not because of the governor but because of the strong backlash.   I managed to be strict until the CDC issued their infamous relaxation this spring.   There is no putting that genie back in the bottle, I'm stuck waiting for our first positives.   In my workplace bonuses had minimal impact on vaccine decisions, I might have gotten one convert.   There is a nearly perfect correlation with vaccine status and education, less with mask status.   I also have a couple highly productive but vocal pro Trump pro gun pro freedom pro conspiracy employees that keep the water and tension nice and muddy.   When a relative of one died five days after vaccination from respiratory distress I was told it was from the vaccine and they had automatically tested him for CoViD before vaccinating him so they knew it wasn't the disease.   She should know something of delayed hypersensitivity reactions.   With theories like that, how can reality gain a foothold? 

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I live in a city of about 38,000 on the south coast of West Australia.  What's Covid? 

Other than a few cases in returned overseas travellers during the initial 6 week lockdown period last year we have not had ONE case in our community. 

Re our vaccination rate in our region it's at about 60% for 1st shot and heading towards 30% fully. Given our older demographic this is a higher vaccination than other regions in WA.

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6 hours ago, NeedAClew said:

Sounds like homogeneous values.  As you said, higher on the income ad education levels. One town, not tale of two sets of values.  

Except on the reservations.

Sure vaccination rates are higher in wealthy, well educated areas, that's a no brainer and no cause to pat oneself on the back.

It would be more productive IMHO, to be examining the differences in uptake across poorer and less educated demographics and try to reach the low vax places with some info to hand.  Could be culture and religion having some sway. Could be faith in local leaders, could be a lot of things.

 

 

 

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50 minutes ago, ShortForBob said:

Except on the reservations.

Sure vaccination rates are higher in wealthy, well educated areas, that's a no brainer and no cause to pat oneself on the back.

It would be more productive IMHO, to be examining the differences in uptake across poorer and less educated demographics and try to reach the low vax places with some info to hand.  Could be culture and religion having some sway. Could be faith in local leaders, could be a lot of things.

 

 

 

In rural America the local leaders are the problem, including many preachers.   The social media liars have much more influence though.  

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On 8/26/2021 at 7:43 PM, EYESAILOR said:

I live in a small harbor town on the CT coast. We are adjacent to a larger urban town.  The town is run by a board of selectmen and there is a very good sense of community. The population is 21,700.  4,600 are under the age of 12 so our vaccine eligible population is 17,100.

As at 8/18, 96% of our vaccine eligible residents had at least one shot , and 88% had both shots. This will reach 96% in about 2 weeks.

Here are the age group details

               1st shot    Fully Vaccinated

12-17     97.48%     87.72%
18-24     99+%        94.66%
25-44     85.77%     78.43%
45-64     95.38%     90.92%
65+        99+%        95.97%

I am particularly impressed by the 18-24 year old demographic setting an example to their community. They are 95% fully vaccinated and on their way to 100%.

This is a very American town with a real sense of community . Neighbors drop off home grown vegetables on your door step. The local primary care physicians know their patients by name .  The neighborhood patch forums are proud of our vaccination achievements. The town selectmen update the town covid website on a weekly basis. We have a fraction of the infection rate of the towns on either side of us. It feels safe on the high street and folks still wear masks in the grocery store. Covid is addressed locally.

How is your town doing?

 

 

 

All ages, ~75%, over 65, close to 90%, local anti vaxxers are having weekly demonstrations, and it’s frowned upon to ask about vaccination status.  Since indoor masking is just mandated again, more people wearing masks indoors, maybe 5% outdoors. Pretty sloppy though, lots of bozo nose. Anybody’s guess about tourists, the young here like to brag about going off island, and most cases have been brought to the island, however cases of people from off island who go off island to be treated don’t seem to be counted (much) here.  A few breakthrough cases.  Mainland hospitals are slammed.  Just got an order of NIOSH approved N95’s last week, considering clear face guards.  People out, unmasked,  running and biking seem to relish coming close.  Puff puff. Until recently, we were the best county in the state, but word got out, and we’ve lost that lead.  The bay looked like a marina for the couple of days before Canada opened, crowds all over the place, outside & inside unmasked.  Then poof, gone.  
 

https://www.doh.wa.gov/Emergencies/COVID19/DataDashboard

 


 

 

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21 hours ago, EYESAILOR said:

Try and say something about where you are reporting from.......country, region, town?

Vaccination uptake seems to depends a great deal on the local community. Drive 15 miles down the road and the vaccination rate and infection rate is entirely different.  Thus , perhaps, we can learn from different communities.

Transparency and reporting is an important component of what is going on in our town.  There is a "town spirit" to try and make it a safer place. The youth vaccination rate is really impressive.

 

USA, Washington State, San Juan County, San Juan Island. ~ 7000 permanent residents, ~17,000+ folks visiting during the season, using their island places, tourism. boaters, aviation. (Check out the link two posts above) We’ve been compared to the Hamptons as a parallel.  More people are using their properties year round now to work remotely or escape higher population density. Housing prices going up at an astonishing rate. Oldest and youngest are most vaccinated.  Hard to tell if folks from slammed states are coming here, vaccinated, to escape the lunacy of those places, or coming here to live unmasked, unvaccinated and free.  Even harder to judge folks from overseas. The vaccinated are more comfortable around those of us who are masked outside to also wear a mask outside, and let us know they are vaccinated.  There’s also a lot of staring at the ground, avoiding eye contact, outright verbal hostility, silent treatment, or loudly mocking those of us being careful with the people they are walking with before or after they pass.  We still wave at most people or say hi when we’re on walks- trying to break the ice, so to speak.  The strangest thing are couples walking, one wearing a mask, the other not, looking and acting belligerent.  Finding vaccinated people to socialize with who are happily willing to distance outside 10-12 feet is getting easier, but it still feels a bit risky, given the vague ‘advise’ concerning the Delta variant. (A thousand times more infectious?  WTF does that mean in practical terms?) The dearth of real info about all of this is maddening.  For example, if you can smell cigarette smoke from a coughing individual, what else of their breath are you breathing?  
 

https://www.healthline.com/health-news/can-secondhand-smoke-transmit-the-novel-coronavirus

 

https://asm.org/Articles/2021/July/How-Dangerous-is-the-Delta-Variant-B-1-617-2

 

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On 8/27/2021 at 5:59 PM, EYESAILOR said:

Transparency and reporting is an important component of what is going on in our town.  There is a "town spirit" to try and make it a safer place. The youth vaccination rate is really impressive.

Teenagers are not stupid and the next school year is starting. They can see what is going on around them and the distinct lack of mitigation measures in schools. Unsurprisingly there is only minimal interest to find out if they are really less likely to get/suffer from (long) Covid.
Looks like school vaccinations are coming back in Germany. Some states announced them, biggest hurdle in mine seems to be politics around reserving a large block of vaccine. - While there are ~12 million unused doses in the system. So some schools organize a day trip to the nearest vaccination center for anyone interested instead..,  ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

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Population  +/- 130K

Since the start of covid 203 cases,186 flown in & 15 local transmission. Vax rate 60%+

2 currently hospitalised, no deaths

Lockdown last week for 3 days after a an infected visitor flew in and got loose in taxis, ride share, shops etc before detection. All clear now, no masks, no restrictions.

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On 8/27/2021 at 10:44 PM, Bill E Goat said:

Appreciate it

Here in Sydney we didn't realise how virulent the Delta strain was and having had no cases for a while became complacent, when the PM said the vaccination rollout wasn't a race just showed how stupid/arrogant they were.  However the biggest problem is despite setting rules the outbreaks came from people not following them and spreading it everywhere.  Not sure what you can do about that

PM me with your thoughts on the other subject

Based on the evidence presented in this thread, it is encouraging to see that Oz vaccinations is rapidly catching up to the US and UK, despite starting much later. It also shows that without getting the vax numbers very high (50-60% isn't going to cut it), there is still the very real risk of bad outcomes for societies from covid.

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7 hours ago, Ncik said:

Based on the evidence presented in this thread, it is encouraging to see that Oz vaccinations is rapidly catching up to the US and UK, despite starting much later. It also shows that without getting the vax numbers very high (50-60% isn't going to cut it), there is still the very real risk of bad outcomes for societies from covid.

I think the number for herd immunity  is going to turn out to be closer to 90%. Vaccinated. .No science on my part. Our little town is teaching that level and we have fraction of the cases of the towns on either side of us.

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13 hours ago, EYESAILOR said:

I think the number for herd immunity  is going to turn out to be closer to 90%. Vaccinated. .No science on my part. Our little town is teaching that level and we have fraction of the cases of the towns on either side of us.

And that will be 90% concurrently immune. The early adopters will be falling off the immunity train after 6-8 months if the latest research is accurate. Is your town getting boosters yet?

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On 9/6/2021 at 7:48 PM, Ncik said:

And that will be 90% concurrently immune. The early adopters will be falling off the immunity train after 6-8 months if the latest research is accurate. Is your town getting boosters yet?

No and I am past 8 months.   

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2 minutes ago, EYESAILOR said:

No and I am past 8 months.   

We are at 7 months now, and intend to aggressively pursue boosters when we get home to FL next month. 

That is, provided there is anything left of Florida.

We are both over 70, and Pfizered.

We have been in Maine since May, but want to wait until after we drive home in case we have side effects this time. None before.

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Toronto - population about 3m and extremely diverse.

Eligible is anyone born 2009 or earlier.

83% with one shot, 77% fully vaccinated.  These numbers match the provincial percentages.

149 new cases today, with about 75% of them unvaccinated.

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About the same here in BC:

As of Wednesday, 85.2 per cent of eligible people 12 and older in B.C. have received their first dose of a COVID-19 vaccine and

77.7 per cent have received a second dose.

It does look like having a vaccine might be helpful keeping you out of the hospital. The statistic below doesn't even tell the whole story. Older people, even with 2 doses, are more likely to be hospitalized. The rates are worse for the young, unvaccinated.

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By the running trail today, 2 unmasked kids about 7 or 8 were selling lemonade and cookies. 

Parents not there, but obviously they had help setting up, making cookies, sign. 

 42 new cases today in county. On border of 2 zip codes, with 5.5 and 7.8 percent positivity rates.

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I live in a small town of about 10 Million, called "Los Angeles".  I say "About" as they think there are upwards of 3 million "Undocumented" residents.  We've had 1.5 Million "Reported" cases.  I say "Reported" as I know most go unreported, such as mine.  When I got it, I got tested on the downswing, and got reported as "Indeterminate"!  I would guess that they're off by a factor of 3 or 4 or 8!  Statewide, they report 48.8 Million doses given.  But, since they really don't know how many people are here, they can't give a true percentage of those that are vaccinated.  My guess its that there are closer to 5 million "Undocumented" residents in the state!  They play a Spanish Language vaccination add on my local AM station.  Its an English language station that's News and Talk, mostly on a Conservative side.  I don't think that any Beaners listen to this station!  I took a few years of Spanish in high school.  I can't understand WTF they are saying!  I know the radio station just plays it because they are paid to.  Why are they wasting their fucking money on this?  Every Monday, the statistical report has a disclaimer that "Due to shortage of weekend staff, these reports may not be accurate"!  The DOG ate my homework!  

 

They make me wear a mask as I enter the restaurant, but then I can take it off to eat and drink.  Do I have to wear it on the way out?  If I don't, are they going to kick me out?  Most of the restaurants in my area that are still open are barely hanging on.  Their food cost have risen, their labor pool has evaporated, many received large fines for not following "Protocol".  Governor Hairgel and Company have raised the Minimum Wage to well beyond what the restaurants can afford ($15/Hr!).  Obama mandated that the workers be given Heath Insurance.  But, even with this, they are getting more money on "Unemployment" than working!  How the FUCK are we going to afford a $40 Happy Meal at McDonalds for our kids?  Since President Scarecrow (The One without a Brain) took office, my gas prices have almost doubled!   

My Mayor ( Mr. Yogapantz) hasn't been heard from in months, since the Scarecrow nominated him for Ambassador to India.  It might be due to the fact that it takes over 16 week to renew a Passport?!  

So I would have to say, my town is FUCKED!  

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Hard to find detailed statistics for Tasmania (Pop 541,071) let alone it’s southern regions. Tasmania has had a total of 235 Covid cases and 13 deaths overall since the start of the pandemic. The last death was in April last year, and all but one death was in the NW of the state. Haven’t had a Covid case in months. We have had only one local lockdown, March/April last year.

A Delta outbreak, even remotely proportional to Sydney would overwhelm out state health system, which historically (deliberately) teeters on the edge in any case.

Everyone we know, including us, are already double vaxxed, mostly AZ.

 

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12 hours ago, silent bob said:

I live in a small town of about 10 Million, called "Los Angeles".  I say "About" as they think there are upwards of 3 million "Undocumented" residents.  We've had 1.5 Million "Reported" cases.  I say "Reported" as I know most go unreported, such as mine.  When I got it, I got tested on the downswing, and got reported as "Indeterminate"!  I would guess that they're off by a factor of 3 or 4 or 8!  Statewide, they report 48.8 Million doses given.  But, since they really don't know how many people are here, they can't give a true percentage of those that are vaccinated.  My guess its that there are closer to 5 million "Undocumented" residents in the state!  They play a Spanish Language vaccination add on my local AM station.  Its an English language station that's News and Talk, mostly on a Conservative side.  I don't think that any Beaners listen to this station!  I took a few years of Spanish in high school.  I can't understand WTF they are saying!  I know the radio station just plays it because they are paid to.  Why are they wasting their fucking money on this?  Every Monday, the statistical report has a disclaimer that "Due to shortage of weekend staff, these reports may not be accurate"!  The DOG ate my homework!  

 

They make me wear a mask as I enter the restaurant, but then I can take it off to eat and drink.  Do I have to wear it on the way out?  If I don't, are they going to kick me out?  Most of the restaurants in my area that are still open are barely hanging on.  Their food cost have risen, their labor pool has evaporated, many received large fines for not following "Protocol".  Governor Hairgel and Company have raised the Minimum Wage to well beyond what the restaurants can afford ($15/Hr!).  Obama mandated that the workers be given Heath Insurance.  But, even with this, they are getting more money on "Unemployment" than working!  How the FUCK are we going to afford a $40 Happy Meal at McDonalds for our kids?  Since President Scarecrow (The One without a Brain) took office, my gas prices have almost doubled!   

My Mayor ( Mr. Yogapantz) hasn't been heard from in months, since the Scarecrow nominated him for Ambassador to India.  It might be due to the fact that it takes over 16 week to renew a Passport?!  

So I would have to say, my town is FUCKED!  

So the rational, logical, conclusion is: you should vote for the candidate who vows to fuck it up even more

- DSK

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Quick update from my town on the CT coast.  Vaccination rate continues to climb. Excluding <12s who cannot be vaccinated, we are solidly in the 90s. The town is approx 50% Republican/ Democrat with town selectmen evenly divided. The recommendation to get vaccinated is unanimous. No political divide at all. Interestingly last 2 weeks, all of our cases are people (or family member) who commute out of town for work. There has been almost no internal community spread. That is probably a coincidence than anything else.  The 10% who are not vaccinated represented 70% of cases over the prior week. We get this weeks update today.  All cases are Delta. Everyone I know who has tested positve were double vaxxed, so clearly it is breaking through but it is still much safer to be vaxxed.  We know there are people who have decided not to get vaccinated but they are a very small minority

  

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Toronto, base population 2.2M, 5M if you look at the greater Toronto Area. Ontario is just shy of 85% first dose and 79% fully dosed for qualified people.

We just introduced "passport" requirements that will kick in two weeks hence, this is driving some of the resistant to get shot up so they can dine indoors and use gyms and night clubs.

Some Ethnic minority regions of the city have the lowest and slowest uptake rates on vaccine, generally being affluent seems to correlate to getting the jab quickly and without protest. They have also had the highest rates of infection the entire time due to living conditions and generally being on the front line in service jobs for a substantial proportion of those communities. Resistance to the vaccines in those communities has been for a wide variety of reasons. Availability is not one of them. they have been the focus of very targeted campaigns with clinics, pop-ups, mobile clinics etc since day one. Other minority regions have very high uptake. there are almost no barriers to getting a jab in this City, you don't even really need ID and in ten minutes you could get one.

That having been said there was a fun article the other day indicating the most likely to be hesitant or a denier in Canada is is in fact a 46 year old Liberal (Equivilant to democrat) voting woman in Canada. The demographics of deniers and refusers track to a broad spectrum of people, sexes, ages, political persuasion. Slightly peaking on the extreme ends (both left and right) of the political spectrum. Our resistors are made up of a representative sample of the population across the board.

Canada was slow out of the gate getting the vaccine supply, but once it was available the uptake was fast and strong. Canadians generally are community oriented and see it as a duty as much as anything to get it to protect their neighbors and family. They score high on neuroticism as well.

We have a gently building fourth wave but it'll pick up speed with schools opening and colder weather on the horizon. Masks are generally required in congregate settings indoors.

At this point everyone just wants it to be over and if that means Bill Gates controlling us with 5G chips, we'll take it so we can get back to Hockey.

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Here in Kitsap County things are not so good. County population is 275K. Hospitals are getting overloaded, masking is haphazard, and despite the high vaccination rate, Covid is at the highest level since the pandemic began.

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Harris County, in Texas (basically the Houston area) is struggling. Only one indicator is met; the 14 days trend of new cases is decreasing. Everything else looks pretty grim.

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Houston is one of the medical research centers and hospitals hubs of not only the US, but the world, with world class hospitals specialized in cancer treatment, cardio-vascular diseases, etc. Nevertheless, the hospitals are currently overwhelmed.

More than 40% of ICU beds are occupied by COVID patients. Nearly 15% of regular beds are occupied by COVID patients. It is nearly as bad as 14 months ago, before we had a vaccine. Knowing that about 95% of the COVID patients in ICU are unvaccinated, if everybody had taken the shot, that 40% ICU bed occupancy would be down to... about 2% to 4%.

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Today September 10, 2021, South Carolina had the highest number of deaths (99) since the pandemic began. During the entre pandemic the Governor has never closed the State or implemented any mask mandates.  Current vaccine numbers less than 50% One local hospital is dealing with an overload of Covid patients. The hospital is urging everyone to get the vaccine and wear a mask. Yet today they sponsored a 6K race with no masks and no social distancing.  People were all up under one another. It makes no sense. 

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Who was that masked man? Said almost nobody anywhere - the Lone d'ranger.   Laurent and I are in the same area - last week a close friend's elderly dad had to go to the hospital - 8 hours later got him off the gurney onto a bed - he needed to be in ICU and none were available.  He died yesterday.

fuck covid and all the selfish entitled maskless anti-vaxxers keeping it alive and killing them at the same time.

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9 hours ago, d&#x27;ranger said:

Who was that masked man? Said almost nobody anywhere - the Lone d'ranger.   Laurent and I are in the same area - last week a close friend's elderly dad had to go to the hospital - 8 hours later got him off the gurney onto a bed - he needed to be in ICU and none were available.  He died yesterday.

fuck covid and all the selfish entitled maskless anti-vaxxers keeping it alive and killing them at the same time.

Was the elderly man vaccinated ?

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28 minutes ago, slug zitski said:

Was the elderly man vaccinated ?

Wasn't covid - do you ever have anything worthwhile to post?

edit: covid related only because half the ICU beds here are occupied by covid patients who aren't in for a day or 2 or so.

  Best friends next door neighbor was 3 months the 1st time, a few days the 2nd and then he died. That's the problem here - it's how many and how long - I hope that helps you gain some understanding of the situation. Not holding my breath.

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My county is not doing well, cases are approaching our winter high. This despite being a university town with all students and staff fully vaccinated. BUT the county includes large rural areas dominated by anti-vaxers, who are now ending up in hospital. We have a consistently high positivity rate of around 8%.

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My niece caught covid a couple of weeks ago, but she had been vaccinated so there were very few symptoms. She only found out because she flew to Greece and was tested there, she was clear  before the flight.  She the first person  I actually know that has had covid.  That because we consistently have have a very low covid figures. 

Our numbers have been climbing for the last eight weeks during the school summer holidays, we are in a tourist area, and the most likely people not to wear a mask in a supermarket are tourists.

Now it's down to more elderly visitors to the area, mask wearing will be much higher.

That being said I'm taking repeated tests this week coming, we are off to visit my parents, I've not seen them for nearly 2 years due to covid. They have successfully avoided the covid despite living in a high covid area, we are not driving the 400 miles to take it to them..

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21% of our town's population (4,595) are 11 and under and are ineligible for the vaccine.

96.9% of the eligible population have had at least 1 jab. At least 89.4% have been fully vaccinated with both jabs (I have had both jabs but only recorded as partially vaccinated due to VAMS mess up). 

Vaccination by age group, 12-17 99.8% , 18-24 99+%, 25-44 86.4%  , 45-64 96.1% 65+ 99+%

We had 23 cases last week. 6 were 11 and under. Thus 17 cases were vaccine eligible. All cases were Delta (and have been since August 20) 8 were fully vaccinated. 3 were not vaccinated. 6 declined to answer.    The number of break though cases has increased.

 

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32 minutes ago, EYESAILOR said:

21% of our town's population (4,595) are 11 and under and are ineligible for the vaccine.

96.9% of the eligible population have had at least 1 jab. At least 89.4% have been fully vaccinated with both jabs (I have had both jabs but only recorded as partially vaccinated due to VAMS mess up). 

Vaccination by age group, 12-17 99.8% , 18-24 99+%, 25-44 86.4%  , 45-64 96.1% 65+ 99+%

We had 23 cases last week. 6 were 11 and under. Thus 17 cases were vaccine eligible. All cases were Delta (and have been since August 20) 8 were fully vaccinated. 3 were not vaccinated. 6 declined to answer.    The number of break though cases has increased.

You have a tiny population to work with, Auckland with 1,470,100 and the primary entry point for travelers and goods for the whole of New Zealand's 5,000,000 has a more difficult problem.

A week ago it looked like we would be able to lower the restrictions from level 4 to level 3 in a few days but it is clear that that wont happen now because some cases cannot be linked to a source.

At least we have been able to ease restrictions to level 2 for New Zealand outside Auckland and only one death for this surge.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/126356560/covid19-prime-minister-jacinda-ardern-fixated-on-mystery-delta-cases-ahead-of-alert-level-announcement

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9 minutes ago, Terry Hollis said:

You have a tiny population to work with, Auckland with 1,470,100 and the primary entry point for travelers and goods for the whole of New Zealand's 5,000,000 has a more difficult problem.

 

We are immediately adjacent to the West with a town with a population of 130,000 and to the East with  a town of 89,000. The town to the East has 73% vaccination rate and 84 cases last week and 2 deaths under 60.

The key take away is that Delta is highly infectious and is infecting vaccinated people, albeit at a lower rate than unvaccinated.

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Just checked the local figures, 

Total population 104552, people, adults and children, of which, 77,756 two doses, and another, 6000 ish, have had one dose.

12% of the total population is under 12, so 12,456 except for special case are ineligible for vaccination.

12456+83388=1008840 so slightly under 4000 have not  been vaccinated at all. That's about 3.5% of the eligible population.

Of that there are 19 in hospital, and 2 on ventilators. 

That's about 0.02% of the population in hospital.

 

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| September 12, 2021 1:00 AM

U.S. CORONAVIRUS CASES

TOTAL: 40,920,379

DEATHS: 659,675

(coronavirus.jhu.edu)

RECOVERED: 31,857,877

(worldometers.info)

IDAHO

DISTRICT — CASES, DEATHS

Panhandle — 31,482, 379

North Central — 12,665, 138

Southwest — 42,190, 518

Central — 68,308, 585

South Central — 27,329, 311

Southeastern — 20,036, 265

Eastern — 31,567, 276

TOTAL — 233,577, 2,472

FULLY VACCINATED — 750,553

BONNER COUNTY

TOTAL CASES: 4,166

NEW CASES: 61

ACTIVE : 672

NO LONGER MONITORED: 3,494

7-DAY AVERAGE: 49.4

DEATHS: 52

PANHANDLE HEALTH DISTRICT

50,768

VACCINATIONS (65+)

34,923

% POPULATION VACCINATED

45.09%

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1 hour ago, The Q said:

Just checked the local figures, 

Total population 104552, people, adults and children, of which, 77,756 two doses, and another, 6000 ish, have had one dose.

12% of the total population is under 12, so 12,456 except for special case are ineligible for vaccination.

12456+83388=1008840 so slightly under 4000 have not  been vaccinated at all. That's about 3.5% of the eligible population.

Of that there are 19 in hospital, and 2 on ventilators. 

That's about 0.02% of the population in hospital.

 

And the ones in the hospital …are they vaccinated ?

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Unfortunately the local figures for that are not available, but the current figures nationally, are if you've had both jabs, it's 96 % effective against hospitalisation. So 4 in a hundred  or out of our 20 in hospital, it's likely one will have had both doses the rest unvaccinated.

The under 24s are now 2/3s of admissions, the least likely group of those eligible to be vaccinated,  just under half of those, are under 12s Who haven't yet had the chance of vaccination.

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5 hours ago, The Q said:

Unfortunately the local figures for that are not available, but the current figures nationally, are if you've had both jabs, it's 96 % effective against hospitalisation. So 4 in a hundred  or out of our 20 in hospital, it's likely one will have had both doses the rest unvaccinated.

The under 24s are now 2/3s of admissions, the least likely group of those eligible to be vaccinated,  just under half of those, are under 12s Who haven't yet had the chance of vaccination.

Bad info …

The vaccine is only 55 percent effective at preventing severe disease   for those over 65 

https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/israeli-doctors-find-severe-covid-19-breakthrough-cases-mostly-older-sicker-2021-08-20/

 

“ Israel's Health Ministry raised new alarm this week with a report showing the effectiveness against severe disease of the Pfizer vaccine, developed with Germany's BioNTech, appeared to have dropped from more than 90% to 55% in people age 65 and up who received their second jab in January.”

“ In the UK, about 35% of the people hospitalized with a Delta case in recent weeks had received two doses of a COVID-19 vaccine. “

 

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6 minutes ago, slug zitski said:

Bad info …

The vaccine is only 55 percent effective at preventing severe disease   for those over 65 

https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/israeli-doctors-find-severe-covid-19-breakthrough-cases-mostly-older-sicker-2021-08-20/

 

“ Israel's Health Ministry raised new alarm this week with a report showing the effectiveness against severe disease of the Pfizer vaccine, developed with Germany's BioNTech, appeared to have dropped from more than 90% to 55% in people age 65 and up who received their second jab in January.”

“ In the UK, about 35% of the people hospitalized with a Delta case in recent weeks had received two doses of a COVID-19 vaccine. “

 

What is the base line number for vaccinated individuals?  Let’s say that it’s 50/50 between vaxxed and unvaccinated. That would mean that it’s 2 to 1 that an unvaxxed will be hospitalized. But since the number of vaxxed is greater than 5/50 the chances of an unvaccinated ending up hospitalized is even greater.

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CDC report just released a US study covering hundreds of thousands of cases shows likelihood of symptomatic infection in 4.5X greater for unvaccinated, hospitalization is 10X greater for unvaccinated, and deaths are 11X higher for unvaccinated. I'm happy to be fully vaccinated for seven months, and socialize freely with fellow vaccinated friends, but agree that soon us boomers will happily want a third shot. Currently traveling all over the US and Canada for three weeks, visiting family in Seattle and now climbing friends in Calgary. Life is good.

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53 minutes ago, Gangbusters said:

What is the base line number for vaccinated individuals?  Let’s say that it’s 50/50 between vaxxed and unvaccinated. That would mean that it’s 2 to 1 that an unvaxxed will be hospitalized. But since the number of vaxxed is greater than 5/50 the chances of an unvaccinated ending up hospitalized is even greater.

I never implied that vaccination was not worthwhile … only that quoted numbers are incorrect 

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21 minutes ago, TheDragon said:

CDC report just released a US study covering hundreds of thousands of cases shows likelihood of symptomatic infection in 4.5X greater for unvaccinated, hospitalization is 10X greater for unvaccinated, and deaths are 11X higher for unvaccinated. I'm happy to be fully vaccinated for seven months, and socialize freely with fellow vaccinated friends, but agree that soon us boomers will happily want a third shot. Currently traveling all over the US and Canada for three weeks, visiting family in Seattle and now climbing friends in Calgary. Life is good.

The real numbers are a bit more than twice as steep, AFAIK the reports indicate that every vaxxed covid fatality was a person with co-morbidities. Given equal states of health, the numbers I've seen are that an unvaxxed person is 25X more likely to be hospitalized and ? times more likely to die of it.

- DSK

 

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1 hour ago, Gangbusters said:

What is the base line number for vaccinated individuals?  Let’s say that it’s 50/50 between vaxxed and unvaccinated. That would mean that it’s 2 to 1 that an unvaxxed will be hospitalized. But since the number of vaxxed is greater than 5/50 the chances of an unvaccinated ending up hospitalized is even greater.

The effectivity of the vax wearing off over time is also at play. January vax was 8-9 months ago, which I thought was pushing the limits of Pfizer vax.

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22 minutes ago, Steam Flyer said:

The real numbers are a bit more than twice as steep, AFAIK the reports indicate that every vaxxed covid fatality was a person with co-morbidities. Given equal states of health, the numbers I've seen are that an unvaxxed person is 25X more likely to be hospitalized and ? times more likely to die of it.

- DSK

 

I think those numbers are correct. Our small county hospital is full of COVID patients, 6 of them on ventilators. As someone said, let's hope you don't have a medical emergency right now, because un-vaccinated COVID patients are taking up every bed in the hospital. So sad, and honestly, so stupid.

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17 minutes ago, Steam Flyer said:

The real numbers are a bit more than twice as steep, AFAIK the reports indicate that every vaxxed covid fatality was a person with co-morbidities. Given equal states of health, the numbers I've seen are that an unvaxxed person is 25X more likely to be hospitalized and ? times more likely to die of it.

- DSK

 

Before vaccines persons over 65 had a 90 percent chance of recovery 

 

Just now, Israel Hands said:

I think those numbers are correct. Our small county hospital is full of COVID patients, 6 of them on ventilators. As someone said, let's hope you don't have a medical emergency right now, because un-vaccinated COVID patients are taking up every bed in the hospital. So sad, and honestly, so stupid.

How many of the patients on ventilators were vaccinated 

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1 minute ago, slug zitski said:

Before vaccines persons over 65 had a 90 percent chance of recovery 

If the overall mortality before vaccines was 2%, maybe this number was correct, or maybe it was worse. It's still like playing Russian Roulette - a shitty proposition.

I don't think any of the people currently on vents were vaccinated. We are having this extended mortality event because stupid people refused to get vaccinated. Never mind that we all got vaccinated for everything when we were kids without questioning it.

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9 minutes ago, slug zitski said:

Before vaccines persons over 65 had a 90 percent chance of recovery   ...

Not in places where the hospital was overwhelmed, or ran out of oxygen.

If allowed to run it's natural course, such as places in India and Africa, the mortality rate is looking at 12 ~ 15%. About like playing Russian Roulette with an 8-shot revolver.

- DSK

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12 minutes ago, Israel Hands said:

If the overall mortality before vaccines was 2%, maybe this number was correct, or maybe it was worse. It's still like playing Russian Roulette - a shitty proposition.

I don't think any of the people currently on vents were vaccinated. We are having this extended mortality event because stupid people refused to get vaccinated. Never mind that we all got vaccinated for everything when we were kids without questioning it.

Quoted numbers in the press are always out of context 

you got vaccinated as a child because the  disease would kill you 

Covid does not kill children 

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7 hours ago, slug zitski said:

Bad info …

The vaccine is only 55 percent effective at preventing severe disease   for those over 65 

https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/israeli-doctors-find-severe-covid-19-breakthrough-cases-mostly-older-sicker-2021-08-20/

 

“ Israel's Health Ministry raised new alarm this week with a report showing the effectiveness against severe disease of the Pfizer vaccine, developed with Germany's BioNTech, appeared to have dropped from more than 90% to 55% in people age 65 and up who received their second jab in January.”

 

 

Quoting Israels figures against the UK's is a bit pointless, Israel were way ahead in vaccinating everyone and are now way ahead on dropping down the other side of effectiveness. (until boosters are issued).

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7 hours ago, Israel Hands said:

Th good news is that overall in the US, it appears that the rate of new infections is dropping. But let's wait 2 weeks and see what football games do to the rate.

We were watching the Seahawks vs the Colts this am, and turned it off mid 2nd quarter even though the new Hawks offensive coach was doing cool things - the whole thing looked like a giant superspreader party.  :blink:  Creeped us out.  

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My municipality is doing quite well for Melbourne.

Population 110,000

31 active cases, no new cases today.

couple of potential exposure sites, one in a gym, one in a building site.

Inner south of the city, 48.3% fully vaccinated, 73.6% one shot. 5.6% weekly increase,

 

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5 hours ago, The Q said:
12 hours ago, slug zitski said:

Bad info …

The vaccine is only 55 percent effective at preventing severe disease   for those over 65 

https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/israeli-doctors-find-severe-covid-19-breakthrough-cases-mostly-older-sicker-2021-08-20/

 

“ Israel's Health Ministry raised new alarm this week with a report showing the effectiveness against severe disease of the Pfizer vaccine, developed with Germany's BioNTech, appeared to have dropped from more than 90% to 55% in people age 65 and up who received their second jab in January.”

 

Quoting Israels figures against the UK's is a bit pointless, Israel were way ahead in vaccinating everyone and are now way ahead on dropping down the other side of effectiveness. (until boosters are issued).

 

More fear-mongering screeching... this is based on the much higher percentage of vaxxed population in Israel.

Think: in a hypothetical population of 100% vaxxed people, their hospitalization rate will be 100% vaxxed.... omigod the sky is falling!!

WTF sluggo, you sometimes post sense about sailing but this is really stupid bullshit.

- DSK

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30 minutes ago, Steam Flyer said:

 

More fear-mongering screeching... this is based on the much higher percentage of vaxxed population in Israel.

Think: in a hypothetical population of 100% vaxxed people, their hospitalization rate will be 100% vaxxed.... omigod the sky is falling!!

WTF sluggo, you sometimes post sense about sailing but this is really stupid bullshit.

- DSK

And I have a very low opinion of you   And your forum contributions 

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Latest UK national figures. Since the start of double jabbed people, 1.2 percent of those who have died within 28 days of contracting covid were double jabbed..

And

Two doses of the Pfizer/BioNTech or Oxford/AstraZeneca vaccine are estimated to be 96% and 92% effective against hospitalisation with the Delta variant, respectively

Coronavirus (COVID-19) latest insights - Office for National Statistics (ons.gov.uk)

 

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13 hours ago, Israel Hands said:

If the overall mortality before vaccines was 2%, maybe this number was correct, or maybe it was worse. It's still like playing Russian Roulette - a shitty proposition.

I don't think any of the people currently on vents were vaccinated. We are having this extended mortality event because stupid people refused to get vaccinated. Never mind that we all got vaccinated for everything when we were kids without questioning it.

Or maybe it’s a morality play without catharsis, and a deus ex machina, to complicate this metaphor, while available, is still offstage?  Although the hero does have the flaw of disbelief going for him/her.  Take a mask from the ancient gallery and walk on down the hall……

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10 hours ago, slug zitski said:

And I have a very low opinion of you   And your forum contributions 

That just shows that your poor judgement extends to more than just medical science. I've poured more seawater out of my shoes than you've sailed over.

- DSK

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Finally got to see some local vax rates for my area. Not doing too badly at least on first doses.

 

NAME // POPULATION 16-PLUS (ONS) // FIRST DOSES (16-PLUS) // NOT JABBED (16-PLUS) // POPULATION AGED 12-15 (ONS) 

Wokingham // 136970 // 130165 // 6805 // 9448 
Reading // 126383 // 116136 // 10247 // 7655 

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29000 cases, 421 deaths, 10% test positivity rate.

59% vaccination rate over the age of 12. 87% over the age of 65.

county population is about 200,000

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Canada’s Florida,  Alberta has finally come to conclusion that, yes this COVID stuff is real. 
their hospitals are so full of COVID patients, that they have to ship people out to other provinces. Hello Alberta, time to wake the fuck up and smell the coffee. 

 

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Yesterday the local paper reported deaths were down, "but not zero."

Florida's system for dealing with COVID seems to be let the virus take the vulnerable and hope you're not one of them.  The drop in deaths may be signaling the coming of herd immunity.

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8 hours ago, Jules said:

Yesterday the paper reported deaths were down, "but not zero."

Florida's system for dealing with COVID seems to be let the virus take the vulnerable and hope you're not one of them.  The drop in deaths may be signaling the coming of herd immunity.

In other words, whole buncha people died, a lotta people alive are recovered or got vaxxed. Maybe the rest are fewer and farther between so it takrs longer to find an azctive spreader. 

Sounds great.  Magic Mountain here we come! 

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