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A South African research paper released this month detailed a new variant of the COVID-19 virus, with scientists noting that it has "concerning constellations of mutations."

The research paper focused on the C.1.2 variant of SARS-CoV-2, which was first detected in May of this year. It descended from the C.1 variant of the virus, one of the variants that overtook South Africa earlier this year.

"C.1.2 is highly mutated beyond C.1 and all other [variants of concern] and [variants of interest] globally with between 44-59 mutations away from the original Wuhan Hu-1 virus," the researchers wrote.

"While the phenotypic characteristics and epidemiology of C.1.2 are being defined, it is important to highlight this lineage given its concerning constellations of mutations," they said.

This variant was first detected in the Mpumalanga and Gauteng provinces of South Africa. It has since been found in six of South Africa's nine provinces as well as in England, China, the Democratic Republic of the Congo, Mauritius, New Zealand, Portugal and Switzerland.

https://thehill.com/policy/international/569984-south-african-scientists-say-new-coronavirus-variant-has-concerning

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16 minutes ago, Kate short for Bob said:

Not if they are already Covid-19 recovered.  https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.08.24.21262415v1

Just under the title heading is this little gem:

This article is a preprint and has not been peer-reviewed [what does this mean?]. It reports new medical research that has yet to be evaluated and so should not be used to guide clinical practice.

 

How do you Covid recover? Well let's see, you catch Covid and possibly die,  but hey if you live....... you may be a lot more immune than taking a vaccine that will almost certainly prevent you from actually dying from the Covid exposure in the first instance.

Me, I think I'm good with taking the vaccine,  spinning the dice on death or greater Immunity...... not so much.

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7 hours ago, MaxHeadroom said:

This variant was first detected in the Mpumalanga and Gauteng provinces of South Africa. It has since been found in six of South Africa's nine provinces as well as in England, China, the Democratic Republic of the Congo, Mauritius, New Zealand, Portugal and Switzerland.

NZ only has the Delta strain as it was traced to a returning passenger from Australia - I call bullshit on this article

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1 hour ago, Kate short for Bob said:

Not if they are already Covid-19 recovered.  https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.08.24.21262415v1

Maybe.   I wouldn’t bet my life on one study.   Surviving is good.   Vaccine may or may not be better?   Days after infection may play a role.   Getting vaccinated after surviving also helps.    https://www.cdc.gov/media/releases/2021/s0806-vaccination-protection.html

The study of hundreds of Kentucky residents with previous infections through June 2021 found that those who were unvaccinated had 2.34 times the odds of reinfection compared with those who were fully vaccinated.  The findings suggest that among people who have had COVID-19 previously, getting fully vaccinated provides additional protection against reinfection.

 

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I know more people who have had covid twice than those who were vaccinated who got it. This makes me much more of an expert than Mikey.

And to the OP - no, not ready and not likely to be ready to do more than provide the giant petri dish.

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9 hours ago, MaxHeadroom said:

A South African research paper released this month detailed a new variant of the COVID-19 virus, with scientists noting that it has "concerning constellations of mutations."

The research paper focused on the C.1.2 variant of SARS-CoV-2, which was first detected in May of this year. It descended from the C.1 variant of the virus, one of the variants that overtook South Africa earlier this year.

"C.1.2 is highly mutated beyond C.1 and all other [variants of concern] and [variants of interest] globally with between 44-59 mutations away from the original Wuhan Hu-1 virus," the researchers wrote.

"While the phenotypic characteristics and epidemiology of C.1.2 are being defined, it is important to highlight this lineage given its concerning constellations of mutations," they said.

This variant was first detected in the Mpumalanga and Gauteng provinces of South Africa. It has since been found in six of South Africa's nine provinces as well as in England, China, the Democratic Republic of the Congo, Mauritius, New Zealand, Portugal and Switzerland.

https://thehill.com/policy/international/569984-south-african-scientists-say-new-coronavirus-variant-has-concerning

 

2 hours ago, Bill E Goat said:

NZ only has the Delta strain as it was traced to a returning passenger from Australia - I call bullshit on this article

New Zealand's border control has intercepted all of the variant's including the Delta, the Delta version outbreak came directly from Australia as you say but that does not refute the accuracy of the article.

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On 8/30/2021 at 10:16 PM, Navig8tor said:
On 8/30/2021 at 9:49 PM, Kate short for Bob said:

Not if they are already Covid-19 recovered.  https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.08.24.21262415v1

Just under the title heading is this little gem:

This article is a preprint and has not been peer-reviewed [what does this mean?]. It reports new medical research that has yet to be evaluated and so should not be used to guide clinical practice.

 

How do you Covid recover? Well let's see, you catch Covid and possibly die,  but hey if you live....... you may be a lot more immune than taking a vaccine that will almost certainly prevent you from actually dying from the Covid exposure in the first instance.

Me, I think I'm good with taking the vaccine,  spinning the dice on death or greater Immunity...... not so much.

Then, if you are depending on the immunity from recovery, you have odds somewhere between 10% down to slightly over 1%, that you will catch it AGAIN and it's likely to be more severe. Oh and within 6 months, that being the study period. The next six months, guess.

- DSK

 

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What incentive are we giving vaccine companies to develop a second generation vaccine?  Moderna and Pfizer have every reason to keep using their existing vaccine, as long as it has any efficacy, until somebody else comes out with a better product.   Why should they spend the money on approval for competition to their own guaranteed money maker?   

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Moderna is already developing variant specific vaccines and combo flu and covid vaccines. Competitive advantage. Markets. They can advertise on TV once FDA approved. 

Stock price went up btw when they did presser on combo shot. 

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6 hours ago, NeedAClew said:

Moderna is already developing variant specific vaccines and combo flu and covid vaccines. Competitive advantage. Markets. They can advertise on TV once FDA approved. 

Stock price went up btw when they did presser on combo shot. 

How many shares do you have?

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21 minutes ago, Wess said:

The final variant is called socialism.

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21 hours ago, Lark said:

What incentive are we giving vaccine companies to develop a second generation vaccine?  Moderna and Pfizer have every reason to keep using their existing vaccine, as long as it has any efficacy, until somebody else comes out with a better product.   Why should they spend the money on approval for competition to their own guaranteed money maker?   

Doubt if any of these guys need an incentive per se, they are well aware of how fast this can mutate, it will be in their best interests to be developing something to keep up with the variants so that they can continue to produce a vaccine or a booster that the public will want.

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On 9/9/2021 at 3:22 PM, NeedAClew said:

Moderna is already developing variant specific vaccines and combo flu and covid vaccines.

Good!  You can sign my ass up for that shit.

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On 9/10/2021 at 2:53 AM, Wess said:

The final variant is called socialism.

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5 hours ago, Wess said:

Zero concern. Did you get your booster yet?

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On 9/9/2021 at 6:18 PM, Lark said:

What incentive are we giving vaccine companies to develop a second generation vaccine?  Moderna and Pfizer have every reason to keep using their existing vaccine, as long as it has any efficacy, until somebody else comes out with a better product.   Why should they spend the money on approval for competition to their own guaranteed money maker?   

Every incentive.

If someone comes out with a better product, their sales evaporate. Pharma companies spend millions on research because they have to keep seeking to find better solutions. Moderna will be working feverishly to adapt their vaccine to be more effective vs Delta and to have fewer side effects.

Nobody (including the vaccinated) wants to see another variant which is significantly different from prior versions of covid.

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8 hours ago, EYESAILOR said:

Every incentive.

If someone comes out with a better product, their sales evaporate. Pharma companies spend millions on research because they have to keep seeking to find better solutions. Moderna will be working feverishly to adapt their vaccine to be more effective vs Delta and to have fewer side effects.

Nobody (including the vaccinated) wants to see another variant which is significantly different from prior versions of covid.

This is turning into the revenge of the poor.  

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Pyrrhic victory. The rich and middle class are/will be paying billions in taxes for those shots. Or do the poor prefer to gouge more via getting free ICU care intubated for months? That'd show those nonpoor bastards!

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8 hours ago, NeedAClew said:

Pyrrhic victory. The rich and middle class are/will be paying billions in taxes for those shots. Or do the poor prefer to gouge more via getting free ICU care intubated for months? That'd show those nonpoor bastards!

The poor gouge more by asking for health care?

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16 hours ago, Kate short for Bob said:

How can you work to "have fewer side effects" if the underlying base technology mRNA is the cause?  

RNA and DNA are fundamental building blocks of life. 

 

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17 hours ago, Kate short for Bob said:

How can you work to "have fewer side effects" if the underlying base technology mRNA is the cause?  

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15 hours ago, Amati said:

This is turning into the revenge of the poor.  

The development of medical devices and pharmaceutical compounds requires lots of research, development and trials. Moderna and Bion Tech were both financed by investors who could take a high degree of risk by spreading capital across a range of novel research companies. Some failed and some succeeded.  Both of the leading vaccines were developed by relatively small innovative companies, not by governments or large corporations. Im not sure what the message is there but I am grateful such research is carried out. 

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4 hours ago, ShortForBob said:

The poor gouge more by asking for health care?

In America antivaxxing and antimasking is highly correlated with socioeconomic status. Those White Trumper/might make me sterile/take my Jesus given oxygen "people" tend not to be on the high end. They largely opposed Obamacare and universal insurance mandates.  

But here covid hospital care is paid for by taxpayers. So when an antivax piece of shit ends up running hundreds of thousands or a million in bills, it's free. And for the people he gave it to if they end up in hospital. 

Yes, gouging. Preventable costs.

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On 9/9/2021 at 3:18 PM, Lark said:

What incentive are we giving vaccine companies to develop a second generation vaccine?  Moderna and Pfizer have every reason to keep using their existing vaccine, as long as it has any efficacy, until somebody else comes out with a better product.   Why should they spend the money on approval for competition to their own guaranteed money maker?   

Pfizer is just the distributor, I'd bet you a large sum of cash that the developer of the vaccine is working hard on derivatives.

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22 hours ago, Kate short for Bob said:

How can you work to "have fewer side effects" if the underlying base technology mRNA is the cause?  

it's such a bummer when your immune system kicks into gear and produces anti-bodies. SUCH A BUMMER.

Take a couple paracetamol and a nap. 

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At least for now Delta is staying completely dominant in the US. I still hope this is our final variant, it's ability to spread without causing majorly more serious disease is impressive. The extreme difficulty New Zealand is having stopping all transmission of it is testimony to how infectious it is, and of course Australia lost the battle to eliminate it.

Just got back from a three weeks road trip to see the kids in Wyoming and Seattle, and friends in Calgary. Great trip. And bought tickets for the family for Panama for November and South Africa for December/January. Both are doing better than the USA at the moment. Hopefully we parents at least can get boosters before heading out.

 

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5 hours ago, TheDragon said:

Just got back from a three weeks road trip to see the kids in Wyoming and Seattle, and friends in Calgary. Great trip. And bought tickets for the family for Panama for November and South Africa for December/January.

Do you really think anyone cares about your travels?

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Yup, happily double vaccinated back in March, going to get a booster before Panama, living life essentially as before covid with just a few hassles like needing a covid test in time before each travel. Just hope the places I plan to sail to next year will open by then.

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At this stage, any further variants will be progeny of Delta.

During the FDA advisory panel meeting several of the panel members asked Pfizer why they had not designed a booster shot that had been amended to be more effective vs Delta .  They said that mRNA technology made adjusting the vaccine relatively straightforward.

Pfizer responded that when the vaccine has not waned it appears to remain effective vs Delta. Theyfelt a booster of the original vaccine would be sufficient to protect vs Delta.  Some of the panel members appeared unconvinced.

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12 minutes ago, EYESAILOR said:

At this stage, any further variants will be progeny of Delta.

During the FDA advisory panel meeting several of the panel members asked Pfizer why they had not designed a booster shot that had been amended to be more effective vs Delta .  They said that mRNA technology made adjusting the vaccine relatively straightforward.

Pfizer responded that when the vaccine has not waned it appears to remain effective vs Delta. Theyfelt a booster of the original vaccine would be sufficient to protect vs Delta.  Some of the panel members appeared unconvinced.

Even if true, it's a lazy approach. Pfizer seems to be trying to milk their initial R&D investment to the fullest. There's now a real opportunity for Moderna to differentiate their vaccine with a true Delta-optimized booster.

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A bit of scientific prognosticating from Trevor Bedford below. The TLDR: 

1. the spike protein (specifically the S1 domain) is mutating extremely rapidly

2. mutation is happening primarily in partially immune individuals (presumably long-haulers, re-infections, and breakthrough infections)

3. so far the mutations are increasing fitness in the form of greater infectivity rather than towards antigenic drift that escapes immunity

4. as more of the population is vaccinated and/or infected, expect antigenic drift towards escape from immunity

5. post-pandemic, expect tailored annual covid vaccinations like the flu and 50K-100K deaths per year in the US (comparable to a bad flu season every year)

 

 

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That's a superb analysis. I did a lot of this kind of work on various genes and genomes in the past decade before I retired. The Dn/Ds ratio of 2 for the entire S1 spike protein gene is remarkably high. I never saw an entire gene with such a high ratio, only parts of genes. And he nicely confirms, as if we needed it, that the Delta variant is remarkably transmissable.

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The Bedford lab has been one of the most consistently correct and prescient sources of scientific info throughout the pandemic. They'd set up a surveillance infrastructure for the flu (Nextstrain) as an early warning system for the next pandemic (presuming it'd be influenza) but quickly pivoted to covid in January, 2020. I've been part of their high-frequency monitoring and testing studies and have been impressed with their methodology.

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4 hours ago, IStream said:

The Bedford lab has been one of the most consistently correct and prescient sources of scientific info throughout the pandemic. They'd set up a surveillance infrastructure for the flu (Nextstrain) as an early warning system for the next pandemic (presuming it'd be influenza) but quickly pivoted to covid in January, 2020. I've been part of their high-frequency monitoring and testing studies and have been impressed with their methodology.

Perhaps but are they purely genomic sequencers and data collators?  Or do they have an understanding of actual viral genetic evolution?  A growing number of scientists are saying that Covid-19 has reached its natural evolutionary end.

That's not to say a new strain (not variant) as in a completely new coronavirus may not emerge in the future.  Probably from a lab near you.

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47 minutes ago, Kate short for Bob said:

Covid-19 has reached its natural evolutionary end.

 

Someone doesn't understand the things he claims to understand.

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25 minutes ago, Raz'r said:

Someone doesn't understand the things he claims to understand.

And probably didn't watch the video or investigate the background of the principals involves. 

Mikey/Kate really gives science Ph.D.s a bad name. Thankfully, his elk is a small minority.

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1 hour ago, Raz'r said:

Someone doesn't understand the things he claims to understand.

Classic SA technique.  Clip a post to attribute a different meaning to the original post.  

1 hour ago, Kate short for Bob said:

Perhaps but are they purely genomic sequencers and data collators?  Or do they have an understanding of actual viral genetic evolution?  A growing number of scientists are saying that Covid-19 has reached its natural evolutionary end.

Do you disagree that there are scientists saying that Covid-19 Delta has reached a point where it doesn't have much room to evolve further?  It's fair to say that there is a split in the science on where the virus heads now.  But history says it will become more benign. 

Or do you prefer to preach a doom and gloom scenario?

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Endless bullshit from Kate, a constant source of drivel. Just take a look at the amazing diversity of viral evolution studies the Bedford lab has published in the past few years, and if you are too lazy to do so just look at the first slide of the presentation.

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Just now, TheDragon said:

Endless bullshit from Kate, a constant source of drivel. Just take a look at the amazing diversity of viral evolution studies the Bedford lab has published in the past few years, and if you are too lazy to do so just look at the first slide of the presentation.

So you are in the doom and gloom group as well?

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1 minute ago, Kate short for Bob said:

Classic SA technique.  Clip a post to attribute a different meaning to the original post.

Do you disagree that there are scientists saying that Covid-19 Delta has reached a point where it doesn't have much room to evolve further?

Or do you prefer to preach a doom and gloom scenario?

There are scientists saying all kinds of things that may or may not be correct. The question is what the most credible voices say.

if “most credible” means “whoever says what I want to hear” to you, you could well have had a high-ranking job in the late, unlamented  US presidential administration.

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18 minutes ago, Kate short for Bob said:

Classic SA technique.  Clip a post to attribute a different meaning to the original post.  

Do you disagree that there are scientists saying that Covid-19 Delta has reached a point where it doesn't have much room to evolve further?  It's fair to say that there is a split in the science on where the virus heads now.  But history says it will become more benign. 

Or do you prefer to preach a doom and gloom scenario?

Do you have a cite, or is it just "scientists"?

 

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23 hours ago, TheDragon said:

Oops, someone down south just woke up and started posting shit again.

Your amazing bunch of scientists at NextStrain haven't been very good at locating the BeforeStrains have they?

At the end of the day they are just data collector's.

When are you selling your Pzifer shares?

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1 hour ago, Kate short for Bob said:

Your amazing bunch of scientists at NextStrain haven't been very good at locating the BeforeStrains have they?

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On 9/15/2021 at 7:33 AM, random. said:

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Hey, some people know valid science when they see it, and some understand the need to be skeptical of manipulated solutions, right?

"...and COVID-19 came along with its suspect origins and manipulated solutions..."

--Richard Gage. (start about 18 minutes in)

Your hero seems to agree with Cliff.

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I’m betting delta outcompetes it for some time yet. Still lots of folks to be infected with delta.

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On 8/31/2021 at 11:00 AM, Navig8tor said:

Well if you thought D was bad, this one could thin the antivax herd significantly.

Actually it is the vaxxed that are at most risk.

The mRNA jabs flooded their immune systems with very specific antibodies that will only react to the spike protein in the original Wuhan flu.

 

The unvaxxed will have normal immune systems that are dominated by non specific antibodies that can recognise fragments of many viruses.

 

Edit - just saw Maxheadrooms post that confirms this..

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7 minutes ago, 666steve said:

Actually it is the vaxxed that are at most risk.

The mRNA jabs flooded their immune systems with very specific antibodies that will only react to the spike protein in the original Wuhan flu.

 

The unvaxxed will have normal immune systems that are dominated by non specific antibodies that can recognise fragments of many viruses.

 

Edit - just saw Maxheadrooms post that confirms this..

There is so much wrong with this one wonders where to start.   Let's avoid the time waste and leave it with the following:  there are 3 unsupported statements here

1) vaxxed are most at risk from new variants

2) mRNA antibodies from current vaccines only work for a specific covid variant

3) immune systems of the unvaxxed work better than the vaxxed against new variants

Please provide peer-reviewed research from reputable journals that support these statements, or STFU. 

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24 minutes ago, Rain Man said:

There is so much wrong with this one wonders where to start.   Let's avoid the time waste and leave it with the following:  there are 3 unsupported statements here

1) vaxxed are most at risk from new variants

2) mRNA antibodies from current vaccines only work for a specific covid variant

3) immune systems of the unvaxxed work better than the vaxxed against new variants

Please provide peer-reviewed research from reputable journals that support these statements, or STFU. 

This,

666Steve, Your quote of me dated August 31 has little relevance considering the number of variants cropping up since, but then using my quote to support your view without a cite  support or STFU one other question are you a wof sock?

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1 hour ago, Rain Man said:

There is so much wrong with this one wonders where to start.   Let's avoid the time waste and leave it with the following:  there are 3 unsupported statements here

1) vaxxed are most at risk from new variants

2) mRNA antibodies from current vaccines only work for a specific covid variant

3) immune systems of the unvaxxed work better than the vaxxed against new variants

Please provide peer-reviewed research from reputable journals that support these statements, or STFU. 

I'll start with a Nobel Laureate virologist:

 

https://telanganatoday.com/mass-vaccination-during-pandemic-historical-blunder-nobel-laureate

 

Yes, I know the MSM went into full attack mode and claimed to have debunked him, but we are starting to see ADE and increased infection rates amongst the double jabbed.

 

Geert is basically "Mr Vaccine" . He says the same thing. Mass vaccination with a "leaky" vaccine during a pandemic is really, really stupid.

 

https://fos-sa.org/2021/09/10/the-last-post-by-geert-vanden-bossche-dvm-phd/

 

Here's Geert's arguments in an easy to understand video:

 

https://rumble.com/vl5il4-vaccine-disaster-ahead.html?fbclid=IwAR3GWpsffoAGDpTOSQIw4nUyg7VWp58N1oBlFOzo8dPvaLprFIx6rByZ6xA

 

I know these aren't the "peer reviewed" articles you demanded, but then you can't produce peer reviewed articles on the long term effects of the jabs either.

 

 

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1 hour ago, Navig8tor said:

This,

666Steve, Your quote of me dated August 31 has little relevance considering the number of variants cropping up since, but then using my quote to support your view without a cite  support or STFU one other question are you a wof sock?

Sorry . didn't see the date.  It's great you recognise this is a rapidly changing situation. 

Infection rates in double vaxxed in the UK are taking off. The next month will be telling.

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1 hour ago, 666steve said:

I'll start with a Nobel Laureate virologist:

 

https://telanganatoday.com/mass-vaccination-during-pandemic-historical-blunder-nobel-laureate

 

Yes, I know the MSM went into full attack mode and claimed to have debunked him, but we are starting to see ADE and increased infection rates amongst the double jabbed.

 

Geert is basically "Mr Vaccine" . He says the same thing. Mass vaccination with a "leaky" vaccine during a pandemic is really, really stupid.

 

https://fos-sa.org/2021/09/10/the-last-post-by-geert-vanden-bossche-dvm-phd/

 

Here's Geert's arguments in an easy to understand video:

 

https://rumble.com/vl5il4-vaccine-disaster-ahead.html?fbclid=IwAR3GWpsffoAGDpTOSQIw4nUyg7VWp58N1oBlFOzo8dPvaLprFIx6rByZ6xA

 

I know these aren't the "peer reviewed" articles you demanded, but then you can't produce peer reviewed articles on the long term effects of the jabs either.

 

 

 

It is generally not worth responding to opinion pieces.  Like assholes..... 

But here you go:  Polio.  Next?

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3 hours ago, 666steve said:

Actually it is the vaxxed that are at most risk.

The mRNA jabs flooded their immune systems with very specific antibodies that will only react to the spike protein in the original Wuhan flu.

 

The unvaxxed will have normal immune systems that are dominated by non specific antibodies that can recognise fragments of many viruses.

 

Edit - just saw Maxheadrooms post that confirms this..

Interesting theory. What happened to the rest of the vaccinated persons immune systems?

Unless you can back up your theory with a decent citation, I call bullshit.

Vaxxed - Normal immune system + vaccine

Unvaxxed - Normal immune system

 

Also, the vaccines appear to give good, but varying, protection against all the variants to date, not just the original as you state.

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1 hour ago, 666steve said:

Sorry . didn't see the date.  It's great you recognise this is a rapidly changing situation. 

Infection rates in double vaxxed in the UK are taking off. The next month will be telling.

Like most of the anti-vaxxers here, you struggle with math.  Simple question - if the population is 100% vaxxed, there will still be breakthrough cases.  What percentage of the cases will be vaxxed? 

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2 hours ago, Rain Man said:

Like most of the anti-vaxxers here, you struggle with math.  Simple question - if the population is 100% vaxxed, there will still be breakthrough cases.  What percentage of the cases will be vaxxed? 

Uh huh..

 

https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/health/health-problems/super-cold-thousands-across-uk-come-down-with-worst-cold-ever/news-story/986aa70c7ae9f8585033a5e65503d574

 

“Many of the symptoms of Covid-19 are now the same as a regular cold, especially for people who have received two doses of the vaccine, making it hard to tell the difference.”

 

The jabs mess with your immune system...now people are getting slammed by the common cold.

 

Go read those links again this is exactly what they said would happen 

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In case anyone wants to look deeper than a single sentence.

https://www.science.org/content/blog-post/antibody-dependent-enhancement-and-coronavirus-vaccines

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That is the opposite of what you would expect if ADE were happening. Remember, the bad thing about antibody-dependent enhancement is that it leads to more severe disease when you're exposed again to the pathogen (or when you're exposed after being vaccinated for it). And we're just not seeing that. At all. We are, and I am very, very happy to be able to say this, seeing exactly the reverse. 

 

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What is it with New Zealand and these nutcases? First KSFB and now 666S.

Just take a brief look at who is going to hospital and dying in the UK, US, Australia, and even NZ. Big hint, it is not the vaccinated.

Here's another one, and she was even more of a nutcase.

https://www.sorryantivaxxer.com/post/dr-radmila-smiljanic-md-66-uzice-serbia-doctor-of-medicine-anti-vaxxer-dead-from-covid

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8 hours ago, Rain Man said:

Like most of the anti-vaxxers here, you struggle with math.  Simple question - if the population is 100% vaxxed, there will still be breakthrough cases.  What percentage of the cases will be vaxxed? 

They seem to struggle mightily with this question. 

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6 hours ago, 666steve said:

Uh huh..

 

https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/health/health-problems/super-cold-thousands-across-uk-come-down-with-worst-cold-ever/news-story/986aa70c7ae9f8585033a5e65503d574

 

“Many of the symptoms of Covid-19 are now the same as a regular cold, especially for people who have received two doses of the vaccine, making it hard to tell the difference.”

 

The jabs mess with your immune system...now people are getting slammed by the common cold.

 

Go read those links again this is exactly what they said would happen 

Simple question Steve.

If a population is 100% vaxxed, what % of the people with breakthrough cases are vaxxed? 

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12 hours ago, 666steve said:

Actually it is the vaxxed that are at most risk. ... ...

Edit - just saw Maxheadrooms post that confirms this..

Completely false

The article referenced in Max Headroom's post was speculation... do you know what that means?

- DSK

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Here’s an interesting article that might amuse- granted it’s about the flu, but since a flu based approach to COVID in NZ has been pretty effective, shows the power of public health measures (masking, hand washing, social distancing etc).  Add effective vaccines?

But no.  There are too many anti mask, anti vax, anti hand washing, huggy bear press the flesh, gotta be intimate in a crowd types…

https://www.statnews.com/2021/06/02/pandemic-upside-flu-virus-became-less-diverse-simplifying-task-of-making-flu-shots/

there’s also a piece in Nature Magazine to the same effect, but I cant get it to paste here.  Paywall….


 

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1 hour ago, Raz'r said:

Simple question Steve.

If a population is 100% vaxxed, what % of the  cases are vaxxed? 

KSFB has still got his calculator out and trying to do the math on that one. 

I can tell you that in that scenario, there will not be a single case of covid reported from an unvaccinated individual. 

Simarily in 666's perfect world where nobody is vaccinated, the vaccine will prove to be 100% effective.  Lies, damned lies and statistics! 

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