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1 minute ago, Sail4beer said:

Nope. Just about Cristo. LB is simply lubing C up to expose himself here in case you hadn’t noticed. And no, Mustang, this thread isn’t a disgrace. 

Now I'm confused!

So, this is just about Cristo?

 

 

The only disgrace is making this thread into an internet ego douche fight...

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We are and will continue to remain horrified at Rachel Holick's gut-wrenching story of sexual abuse at the hands of male collegiate sailors. We have contacted the International Collegiate Sailing

random? sailing anarchy is random? that's funny. if these people think they can just say and do nothing, then they are wrong. if they choose to ignore this, it will be at their own peril. we're going

I guess you'd have to ask Rachel that.  Send her this message: "Hi Rachel. We run North America's premier sailing web site and forum.  Our site contains thousands of photos of nude or nearly nude wome

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8 hours ago, LB 15 said:

If you hate this place so much

You are one of the worst misogynists in your hemisphere . . 

which is saying really a lot. 

You are one of the big-time anonymous cowards that pollute SA to hell and gone. 

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Well, this time Cristo showed one of the lowest possible bars he’s willing to cross to be relevant in a conversation. 
LB just spoke the truth. 
 

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On 9/2/2021 at 10:28 AM, Tronix said:

This is a response to all the guys on here (I notice no women) arguing that there is no clear relationship between the sexual content posted at at place like SA (or any media for that matter) and sexual violence. I am posting here a great literature review conducted by Silvia Galdi and Francesca Guizzo, both professors in developmental psychology.

https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s11199-020-01196-0

The review links out to a variety of other scientific literature and tangible studies and does a great job of "connecting the dots" for people who do not understand how sexually objectifying media follows several clear psychological pathways to harrassing and eventually violent behaviors. We all respond to media and we all consume media differently and so it stands to reason that not all people are going to behave the same in relation to the media in front of us. Just because YOU do not personally see these connections in your own life and behaviors does not mean they do not exist.

 

I also found myself thinking about a great book i recently read called "Outliers" by Malcolm Gladwell (a fantastic read). The book discussed how we become successful at something and what Gladwell calls his 10,000 hour rule (basically that it takes 10,000 hours of practice to become an expert at something). Gladwell discussed the biological process through which we train our brains an bodies over time. Your neural pathways are constructed of nerve cells which send their signals down long branches called axons. These axons are coated in a material called myelin which acts as a conductor/insulator. The more myelin on the axon, the faster and more easily the signal will travel. When we use a certain neural pathway repeatedly, the body learns that this is a preferred process and gradually begins to increase the myelin insulation around that cell. As time goes on, these increasingly myelinated pathways wire our brain to think or work a certain way as we repeatedly fall back on using the same neural pathways. This, to me is a great explanation as it relates to HOW sexual objectification in media effects people's thinking processes in the long run. By consuming that material consistently over time, people are wiring their brains to view women as objects or sub-human. When this takes place the brain no longer views women the same way. They become more expendable, and are viewed as objects or assets to be bought or sold or used with no intrinsic value outside of their objective good looks. This is not a black and white process but one that happens gradually over time and over a spectrum. It may not be how all men, or even most men think but we all too often excuse the men who DO think this way by constantly putting off the idea that these connections exist. Just because YOUR brain isn't wired this way doesn't mean that others is and we shield ourselves in a kind of bro-code solidarity that blows off inappropriate discussion as "locker room" talk meaning that very few people stand up to someone with these thoughts until they are already displaying a genuinely harassing or violent behavior. 

 

You may not like it but there is a clear, scientific, observable, and statistically quantifiable connection between media content that sexually trivializes and objectifies women and sexually harassing, and even sexually violent behavior. Now SA and other communities have the choice to decide what limits to place on this content KNOWING that these connections DO exist. Sexually explicit and objectifying media exists everywhere and people seeking it will nearly always be able to get access to it. Does that mean we shouldn't try? Should we maybe just hold ourselves to a higher standard because it's the right thing to do? 

It isn’t so cut and dry as you would make it seem. There is lots of evidence to the contrary. https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/all-about-sex/201601/evidence-mounts-more-porn-less-sexual-assault

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On 8/31/2021 at 2:19 PM, Expat Canuck said:

The coach of each of the teams at the event should have held a meeting by now with the team members at the event, and asked if anyone has any information.

All the teams present should be barred from attending any more events until the perps have been identified.  That kind of pressure will out the guilty quickly.

How abour validating that this is real first, checking with local police for a report in that time frame ect, before a witch hunt starts?

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On 9/6/2021 at 2:00 PM, AJ Oliver said:

You are one of the worst misogynists in your hemisphere . . 

Am I?

On 9/6/2021 at 2:00 PM, AJ Oliver said:

which is saying really a lot. 

Not really, it is just you congratulating yourself again.

 

On 9/6/2021 at 2:00 PM, AJ Oliver said:

You are one of the big-time anonymous cowards that pollute SA to hell and gone.

I am neither 'Big time', nor anonymous old boy, however how about you take your never ending stalking of me elsewhere and let this discussion pan out.

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5 hours ago, ShortForBob said:

No he isn't by a long mile. (Meli)

So whom would y'all nominate ?? 

On SA at least my money is on LB, 

though that ignoramus @El Mariachi

is a very strong second. 

(Not to make light of the horrendous crime revealed in the OP . . ) 

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5 minutes ago, AJ Oliver said:

So whom would y'all nominate ?? 

On SA at least my money is on LB, 

though that ignoramus @El Mariachi

is a very strong second. 

(Not to make light of the horrendous crime revealed in the OP . . ) 

I ain't namin' no names. :ph34r:

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2 minutes ago, ShortForBob said:

I ain't namin' no names. :ph34r:

I am sure they are very grateful for being so empowered by you. 

Who the hell are you protecting ?? 

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9 minutes ago, AJ Oliver said:

So whom would y'all nominate ?? 

On SA at least my money is on LB, 

though that ignoramus @El Mariachi

is a very strong second. 

Unfortuneatly LB is just a political animal.  He loves the female leader in the next state (his party) even though she does look like a Bin Chicken and he hates the female leader in our state (not his party) because she talks funni apparently. 

Doensn't matter that she has saved us from the fucking virus and business is booming while the Bin Chicken's State is dying of the pox, no, he does not seem to rate results, just how they speak.

Really odd init?

But Boothy ... Boothy hates women in positions of power regardless of the party.  Oh and he keeps a lot of guzs cause he's scared of blacks, there is that, oh and he voted for Trump and now says he only voted for him so he didn't have to vote for a women.

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5 minutes ago, AJ Oliver said:

Bull pucky !!  How about if we do not make light of this horror ?? 

Then how about you stick to the topic and not turn a serious thread into a shit fight by calling out individuals. Hmmm?

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Now three months since the assault and no news of it ?? No police report ?? WTH ?? 

Has to be a cover-up. 

Those perps must have some powerful daddies looking out for them. 

I would respectfully ask Ms. H. to name the school from whence the slime slithered. 

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8 minutes ago, AJ Oliver said:

Now three months since the assault and no news of it ?? No police report ?? WTH ?? 

Has to be a cover-up. 

Those perps must have some powerful daddies looking out for them. 

I would respectfully ask Ms. H. to name the school from whence the slime slithered. 

FFS, You really have no idea how vengeful these men can be do you?

Ms Holick's done the hard yards.

Men know, Men call it out.

 

 

9 hours ago, P_Wop said:

I think this pretty well sums up some of the problem.

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3 minutes ago, JRC026 said:

AJ is one of the most progressive voices on here.
You tar him with a brush he does not deserve.
You, ShortforBob, are a simpleton and I now (should have long ago) added to my ignore list.

So sorry, I'll go back to the kitchen and make sammiches.

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47 minutes ago, ShortForBob said:

I'll go back to the kitchen and make sammiches.

cheese n vegemite please .

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On 9/4/2021 at 5:28 AM, Sol Rosenberg said:

I'm quite grown up, I assure you.  I take it very seriously when it is insinuated that posting pictures contributes to rape. Let's see the study that demonstrates the link. 

It's not really about all tit pics, It's the type of porn. 

What's posted here are tit pics, mostly  eyerollable but pretty harmless.

But if you don't think PORNOGRAPY (of the type some here have targeted me with via innocuous links), is harmless and doesn't contribute to sexual violence against women, your kidding yourself.

Anyone supporting that industry is contributing to rape culture.

I thing Ed's done a good thing here if people stayed on topic.

The issue is changing the culture by sending a heads up to sailing clubs and organisations that turning a blind eye to this behaviour will have consequences. And I'm pretty sure that some of those responsible for the reputation of their orgs are reading this, or at least some members of those orgs can bring it up at meetings. It's about getting the subject aired and hopefully scrutinising their own Org.

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5 minutes ago, El Mariachi said:

'Rape culture'? Are you fuking kidding us? Were you even on this planet a half century ago when Jack O'Neil came up with THIS innocuous ad?  Holy fukoly but it was a bit on the risque side  of things....but to my knowledge....I can't recall ever hearing a single chick in North America getting 'raped' after this ad came out. So are you making shit up as you go? Or is this just a Down Undies thing?....

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I see your literary comprehension hasn't improved.

That's a lovely image and in no way pornograhic.

The tit pics posted here aren't pornographic either 

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9 minutes ago, El Mariachi said:

'Rape culture'? Are you fuking kidding us? Were you even on this planet a half century ago when Jack O'Neil came up with THIS innocuous ad?  Holy fukoly but it was a bit on the risque side  of things....but to my knowledge....I can't recall ever hearing a single chick in North America getting 'raped' after this ad came out. So are you making shit up as you go? Or is this just a Down Undies thing?....

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This is the rape culture she's talking about...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sydney_gang_rapes

 

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18 minutes ago, El Mariachi said:

The fuk? Seriously? My bad, Kids....never heard of that one. Jeezis key rhyst......:(

Up for parole now and nobody wants it to happen.

I don't see this as cultural in the sailing world. The original topic of this thread is an aberration & not a reflection of sailing.

There wa a poster here that seemed a good guy and he ended banged up for chasing underage  girls. There was another guy that was offering cutsing experiences for female crew and there was a pile of women who signed up just to call the guy out as a sicko. Thread got deleted along with the guy. That was a mistake IMO. It should have stayed forever, maybe even pinned so people would know about the creep.

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Whatever the Editor hoped to accomplish with this thread has been thoroughly ruined by the typical idiots arguing about pornography or throwing insults at each other. Everything is always about them.  Good job.

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4 hours ago, Reference said:

the typical idiots arguing about pornography

I think it is useful to have discussions about the connection or lack thereof between porn and sexual violence, 

not to mention misogynistic blog posts that employ women's privates in an insulting fashion. 

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6 hours ago, AJ Oliver said:

I think it is useful to have discussions about the connection or lack thereof between porn and sexual violence, 

not to mention misogynistic blog posts that employ women's privates in an insulting fashion. 

So many cunts and dickforbrains, so little time.

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15 hours ago, ShortForBob said:

I see your literary comprehension hasn't improved.

That's a lovely image and in no way pornograhic.

The tit pics posted here aren't pornographic either 

I am not sure that is necessarily true. LOL.

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Now we are back to whether non-sailing discussions should take place on SA. They do at the YC bar. Should we go back to the pre-GA and PA days, when everything dumped into one forum...lots of good and bad things? I think it is pretty well set up, to allow each individual to decide what to look at...or not look at, or go someplace else entirely. In the event that those options don't work, the ignore function is a great feature. 

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20 hours ago, Lurker305 said:

None of the male naval academy sailors who competed at coed nationals have appeared on techscore competing in a fall regatta yet. Considering they won two national championships……you would think they would be sailing

At least 1 graduated.  Interesting though.  Also interesting when you consider what the potential profile of the perpetrators is in the context of the sadistic allegations... 

But yeah, where is Scot "Sharon Green: Show us your tits!" Tempesta w/ his update to this story?!

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10 minutes ago, M@AYC said:

At least 1 graduated.  Interesting though.  Also interesting when you consider what the potential profile of the perpetrators is in the context of the sadistic allegations... 

But yeah, where is Scot "Sharon Green: Show us your tits!" Tempesta w/ his update to this story?!

Maybe there is no update?

It could be there is a police investigation that is not yet ready to be made public.

It could be various powers did various things to sweep this under the rug.

It could be that the victim has made no more statements to anyone about anything and doesn't plan to.

 

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On 9/21/2021 at 5:15 PM, Lurker305 said:

None of the male naval academy sailors who competed at coed nationals have appeared on techscore competing in a fall regatta yet. Considering they won two national championships……you would think they would be sailing

Looks like most of them sailed in the MAISA match race championship last weekend and won the regatta.

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On 9/21/2021 at 4:15 PM, Lurker305 said:

None of the male naval academy sailors who competed at coed nationals have appeared on techscore competing in a fall regatta yet. Considering they won two national championships……you would think they would be sailing

 

On 9/28/2021 at 4:53 PM, RI_sailr said:

Looks like most of them sailed in the MAISA match race championship last weekend and won the regatta.

Jeez, can we not speculate without evidence about one of the 18 teams that was at the event? I don't think Techscore is going to solve the case. I get that we want answers but do we want to be the r/findbostonbombers of sailing?

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1 hour ago, kent_island_sailor said:

Yes, it is.  It is one of the barriers to attracting more women into sailing.  Long ago I had a female crew member, also a good friend, who pointed out some misogyny that I was practicing on my boat without being aware I was doing it - it was a real wake-up call and helped me clean up my act as skipper.  We all need this.

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Something seems pretty off with this story.  Clearly the Editor's sense of urgency cooled. 

Was there any kind of formal investigation by any group?  

Did any shoe drop anywhere?  

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24 minutes ago, bluelaser2 said:

Something seems pretty off with this story.  Clearly the Editor's sense of urgency cooled. 

Was there any kind of formal investigation by any group?  

Did any shoe drop anywhere?  

Why do you think any investigation would be public information?

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If anybody wants to find out if there is an ongoing investigation call the local PD and see if they won't comment on an ongoing investigation.

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Why do you think any investigation would be public information?

Because when an infamous crime is alleged to have occurred, local law-enforcement will almost always confirm or deny at least the existence of an investigation, if -obviously- not the particulars.

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3 hours ago, bluelaser2 said:
 

Why do you think any investigation would be public information?

Because when an infamous crime is alleged to have occurred, local law-enforcement will almost always confirm or deny at least the existence of an investigation, if -obviously- not the particulars.

You said it - almost always.

 

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On 8/31/2021 at 2:10 PM, Editor said:

. we are attempting to obtain the police report, but that too has run into a brick wall. 

Was the brick wall because there was no police report ?

maybe something other than what was originally reported happened?

Who knows?

Should we still ban everyone who participated in the regatta from competing in college sailing until the culprits are found?
 

 

 

 

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7 hours ago, worthless said:

Was the brick wall because there was no police report ?

maybe something other than what was originally reported happened?

Who knows?

Should we still ban everyone who participated in the regatta from competing in college sailing until the culprits are found?
 

 

 

 

Yes, and anybody else we don't like too.

I think there are a few fascist anti-fascists on these forums who would be willing to compile an enemies list of people who are not in compliance with their our theology, if they have not already started one.

I'm already in compliance, right here in Brainerd.

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