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3 hours ago, EYESAILOR said:

What was it they used to say about British cars?

Why do the British drink warm beer?                                                          Because Lucas makes the refrigeration.

Nevertheless if you ask my husband (a complete car nut) which are the top 5 cars he would own if money were no object, the top two are British , the third is Italian, the fourth is German (and he owns it) and the fifth is French.

If you ask me to identify the best looking racing dinghy in the world, it would be the Merlin Rocket.

They may be tinkerers but when they get it right, they really get it right.

As to the Sunfish. It is a POS that is perfect for dragging up on the beach and proof that people will race anything including Mirror Dinghies.

It has always amused me how fate will hand us a dinghy where the design mandate had nothing to do with racing.....and we race it and buy thousands. Then when a designer sits down to build a purpose built race boat....we switch off.  Its a fickle business !

As to the Pornstar?  They will likely bring a few over in containers. Some will look at videos on line. Some single men and a few married men will try her out on their own. But they are not going to introduce her to their friends or bring her home to meet the family.

Wow.  I love your logic.

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The English sail where others don't, damp sponges, washing up bowls, open sewers and places where the run horses when the tide is out.  The best sailboats for these venues are very likely not so good

Yeah. She was only after his Sunfish!

I think you are missing out that for many its simply not what they want to do. I have plenty of sea miles on both trapeze and sliding seat boats. Too difficult as in not competent is generally not the

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3 hours ago, Daniel Holman said:

Sunfishes are cool! Like many old boats if you sail one where everything is broken then it will affect your enjoyment!

I will always love you for designing a boat i totally love , the D-zero . 
 

BUT after the comment’ sunfishes are cool ‘. I now rate you lower than iGRF :P

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Hmm, what is cool? When, for example, it comes to celebrity rock star owners the Sunfish scores the biggest fish in the pond...

 

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6 hours ago, JimC said:

Hmm, what is cool? When, for example, it comes to celebrity rock star owners the Sunfish scores the biggest fish in the pond...

 

The Queen? Donald Trump? Morgan Freeman? Who…

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23 hours ago, RobbieB said:

I think D.O.A would have been a better name for this one.

Anything is better than PortStar...

How, just how did that name make it out of the room after it was first mentioned?

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9 minutes ago, Liquid said:

Anything is better than PortStar...

How, just how did that name make it out of the room after it was first mentioned?

One can only think that it was a room full of people who’s first language wasn’t English :D

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1 hour ago, Steve Clark said:

Barrack Obama.

Even to a European, that’s cool .  I take back every thing I have said about sunfish  :D

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4 hours ago, Martin T said:

Paul McCartney takes a dingy out for a sail during an afternoon at sea |  Daily Mail Online

Paul wooed both his second and third wives by taking them for a sail on a Sunfish. Do not underestimate the Sunfish!
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Err I love Paul , he is just a nice human being. But this choice of second wife was not good . # gold digger # bunny boiler . :D 

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22 minutes ago, Xeon said:

Err I love Paul , he is just a nice human being. But this choice of second wife was not good . # gold digger # bunny boiler . :D 

Yeah. She was only after his Sunfish!

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3 minutes ago, tillerman said:

Yeah. She was only after his Sunfish!

Lol . She wanted half his total life time  fortune . She ended up with 10% of the amount he offered her in the first place . :D

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1 minute ago, Xeon said:

Lol . She wanted half his total life time  fortune . She ended up with 10% of the amount he offered her in the first place . :D

Yeah, but he kept the Sunfish which is what really matters.

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10 minutes ago, tillerman said:

Yeah, but he kept the Sunfish which is what really matters.

But that’s like winning a turd . It’s something you didn’t want in the first place :D

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23 hours ago, JimC said:

Hmm, what is cool? When, for example, it comes to celebrity rock star owners the Sunfish scores the biggest fish in the pond...

 

I like the car specific BBC top gear criteria. Maybe a bit pom centric.

Basically, if you turned up to take Kristin Scott Thomas out on a date in any given car, how would she judge you. Would she get in, would she walk away.

I think it holds true for dinghies. Take Kristin Scott Thomas out in a slightly patinated but fully functional sunfish, she is in the bag. Small cockpit low boom not trying too hard you'll be in there like swimwear, just look at Macca.

Same for patinated but functional Hobie 16 I would imagine.

Turn up with something brand new with branded drinks bottles and calibration strips, she walks straight back up the beach.

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1 minute ago, Daniel Holman said:

Ta

 

On 3/3/2022 at 11:48 PM, Xeon said:

I will always love you for designing a boat i totally love , the D-zero . 
 

BUT after the comment’ sunfishes are cool ‘. I now rate you lower than iGRF :P

Full disclosure - don't tell anyone least of all him but I think GRF is cool. Not too many f*cks given. Blissfully free from the ravages of political correctness.

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2 hours ago, Daniel Holman said:

 

Full disclosure - don't tell anyone least of all him but I think GRF is cool. Not too many f*cks given. Blissfully free from the ravages of political correctness.

1) Most people the quote ‘ political correctness’ have no idea what it really means. 
2) Re grf there is a BIG difference between’ not giving a [email protected]@k ‘ and being a total arse and being unnecessary cruel and rude. 
Every says says he is ok in real life, which makes him a total TROLL and a Coward . Because he won’t say the things he says on line in person . I know this as I offered to meet him in person so he could repeat what he had said to me  to my face, he couldn’t back peddle fast enough . Lol 

I only have one rule online. I will not post anything I wouldn’t say to that persons face.

So I will say again , Sunfish are [email protected]@t and grf is a [email protected]@t .:D

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3 hours ago, Xeon said:

1) Most people the quote ‘ political correctness’ have no idea what it really means. 
2) Re grf there is a BIG difference between’ not giving a [email protected]@k ‘ and being a total arse and being unnecessary cruel and rude. 
Every says says he is ok in real life, which makes him a total TROLL and a Coward . Because he won’t say the things he says on line in person . I know this as I offered to meet him in person so he could repeat what he had said to me  to my face, he couldn’t back peddle fast enough . Lol 

I only have one rule online. I will not post anything I wouldn’t say to that persons face.

So I will say again , Sunfish are [email protected]@t and grf is a [email protected]@t .:D

I accept he is a niche taste. A very small niche. Sunfish - now thats another matter!

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45 minutes ago, Daniel Holman said:

I accept he is a niche taste. A very small niche. Sunfish - now thats another matter!

Very niche, a little like Scat and necrophilia lol. .

I will give you that , compared to grf a Sunfish is a design classic :D

 

Joking apart , seriously what are your thoughts on LP new offering ? 
TBH to me it’s looks better in the flesh than I was expecting. But that was quite a low bar . 

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I wonder if anyone had the opportunity to really confirm the weight of it at the Dinghy Show. I never saw any PortStar Sailing here at Setubal.. and TBH the design doesn't look as much as the picture I shared here.

I asked at the sailing club ( SailLaser center ) if they will have any to test and they told that they are expecting to have 2 boats by the end of the month, so I am very keen to test it. 

 I would like to know how it does sailing against an Aero, Laser or a D one.

 

I still doubt of the wings system.. everyone will want to have the wings spread for better performance.. I wouldn't ride a Ferrari with the engine limited to 50hp...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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On 3/5/2022 at 7:31 PM, POR151 said:

I still doubt of the wings system.. everyone will want to have the wings spread for better performance.. I wouldn't ride a Ferrari with the engine limited to 50hp...

When weight equalisation was fashionable in the UK in the late 90s there didn't seem to be a major problem with people wanting to sail with minimum lead and max wings, at least at class events. But it was policed and people kept their eyes on their competitors. 

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On 3/5/2022 at 2:31 PM, POR151 said:

I wonder if anyone had the opportunity to really confirm the weight of it at the Dinghy Show. I never saw any PortStar Sailing here at Setubal.. and TBH the design doesn't look as much as the picture I shared here.

I asked at the sailing club ( SailLaser center ) if they will have any to test and they told that they are expecting to have 2 boats by the end of the month, so I am very keen to test it. 

 I would like to know how it does sailing against an Aero, Laser or a D one.

 

I still doubt of the wings system.. everyone will want to have the wings spread for better performance.. I wouldn't ride a Ferrari with the engine limited to 50hp...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Seen a boat yet?

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Another month has rolled by, has anyone sailed one or even seen one on the water yet ? 

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It's on my list .......just need a change to try it.

Have 2 x Laser EPS (don't ask) and a foiler. The EPS is great fun and damn fast (not many boats that keep up with me). If this thing points better I am in (broad and down it will be fast anyway). Sail looks better. I use a better after market sail on the EPS (standard sail is not bad btw, just outdated.... a good modern sail does help).

The EPS (with 9,5m) is a fun boat (but try 25+ knots with the 8,5m...... wow). This looks like a better version of it.

Portstar: "seats" are bigger than the EPS (looks like it is easier to sit in front). The back extends better (easier to hike in strong winds). Hull, no idea..... let's see. Sail: 8.5m max, but lighter and better (just comparing with the EPS).

 

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5 minutes ago, prettig said:

It's on my list .......just need a change to try it.

Have 2 x Laser EPS (don't ask) and a foiler. The EPS is great fun and damn fast (not many boats that keep up with me). If this thing points better I am in (broad en down it will be fast anyway). Sail looks better. I use a better after market sail on the EPS (standard sail is not bad btw, just outdated.... a good modern sail does help).

The EPS (with 9,5m) is a fun boat (but try 25+ knots with the 8,5m...... wow). This looks like a better version of it.

Portstar: "seats" are bigger than the EPS (looks like it is easier to sit in front). The back extends better (easier to hike in strong winds). Hull, no idea..... let's see. Sail: 8.5m max, but lighter and better (just comparing with the EPS).

 

It’s definitely a better version of a EPS, but will it still have the same strengths and weaknesses. Fast in straight line but slow to roll tack because of the wings . 

Think I will stay with my better version of a Laser TBH. :D

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You do not roll tack an EPS (it will really slow you down), just roll a bit and tack (it just needs speed). It is not a standard Laser (you have to sail it differently).Portstar (or any other boat with wings) will be the same.

I am just really curious on how the hull will perform, guess we have to wait for the first video's.

 

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1 hour ago, prettig said:

You do not roll tack an EPS (it will really slow you down), just roll a bit and tack (it just needs speed). It is not a standard Laser (you have to sail it differently).Portstar (or any other boat with wings) will be the same.

I am just really curious on how the hull will perform, guess we have to wait for the first video's.

 

I know you don’t roll tack a EPS thats my point .:D 

Thats why they never took off in the uk , a lot of people sail on small bits of water and the ability to roll tack is a must.

TBH it’s looks like you might just be able to roll tack the pornstar on flat water as it looks like it has a lot more freeboard than than the EPS. 

That do you think ? 

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22 hours ago, Xeon said:

I know you don’t roll tack a EPS thats my point .:D 

Thats why they never took off in the uk , a lot of people sail on small bits of water and the ability to roll tack is a must.

TBH it’s looks like you might just be able to roll tack the pornstar on flat water as it looks like it has a lot more freeboard than than the EPS. 

That do you think ? 

Your right, it has indeed more freeboard and the boards are flat (maybe they cut better through the water). The EPS is quite a bit lower and the freeboards are bulkier (they don't cut). Looks like you can get a lot more angle. Hope they start making some video's.

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