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1970's The lawsuit was based on evidence gathered by testers for the New York City Human Rights Division, which alleged that black people who went to Trump buildings were told there were no apartments available, while white people were offered units.

"We settled the suit with zero, with no admission of guilt." D. Trump
https://www.npr.org/2016/09/29/495955920/donald-trump-plagued-by-decades-old-housing-discrimination-case

 "When Donald and Ivana came to the casino, the bosses would order all the black people off the floor. It was the eighties, I was a teenager, but I remember it: they put us all in the back." Kip Brown. Trump Castle employee

  Trump was later fined $200,000 by the New Jersey Casino Control Commission for that act of racism.

1991  “Black guys counting my money! I hate it. The only kind of people I want counting my money are short guys that wear yarmulkes every day. … I think that the guy is lazy. And it’s probably not his fault, because laziness is a trait in blacks. It really is, I believe that. It’s not anything they can control.”

2011: Trump played a big role in pushing false rumors that Obama — the country’s first Black president — was not born in the US. He claimed to send investigators to Hawaii to look into Obama’s birth certificate

https://www.vox.com/2016/7/25/12270880/donald-trump-racist-racism-history

"When Mexico sends its people, they're not sending their best. They're not sending you. They're not sending you. They're sending people that have lots of problems, and they're bringing those problems with us. They're bringing drugs. They're bringing crime. They're rapists. And some, I assume, are good people."
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2017/06/16/theyre-rapists-presidents-trump-campaign-launch-speech-two-years-later-annotated/

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Trump supporters.

One of the better articles on what conservatism is and why it's going in destructive directions for a democratic republic. The T-Rumplicans really want to take the US back to the Gilded Age with it's

He knows that.  It's just a game he likes to play.  Many of them do that. Not worth your time to state the obvious to a disingenuous poster.

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9 minutes ago, jzk said:

I looked through your article and didn't see anything about a judgement.  Are you just making stuff up?

My use of the word "judgement" is inaccurate. 

He and his daddy were sued by the DOJ for discrimination.  They signed an agreement stipulating they would not discriminate based on race.  Just imagine what it takes to get sued by the DOJ and then signing something like that - if you weren't ALREADY discriminating.

I am confident you see that as more of that "total exoneration" he crowed about after the Mueller Report.  

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27 minutes ago, Bus Driver said:

My use of the word "judgement" is inaccurate. 

He and his daddy were sued by the DOJ for discrimination.  They signed an agreement stipulating they would not discriminate based on race.  Just imagine what it takes to get sued by the DOJ and then signing something like that - if you weren't ALREADY discriminating.

I am confident you see that as more of that "total exoneration" he crowed about after the Mueller Report.  

Yes, thank you.  The word "judgement" means a trier of fact found the allegations more likely than not to be true.  Being sued means, well, not much of anything.

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6 minutes ago, jzk said:

Yes, thank you.  The word "judgement" means a trier of fact found the allegations more likely than not to be true.  Being sued means, well, not much of anything.

Agreeing, in writing, to NOT discriminate based on race is a damned clear indication of a change in policy.

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1 minute ago, Bus Driver said:

Agreeing, in writing, to NOT discriminate based on race is a damned clear indication of a change in policy.

More likely it is a very low cost way of settling a lawsuit.  Still you are just speculating.  Joe Biden's opinion of black people came right out of his mouth countless times on video.  And it will keep coming too, because he is not completely in control of his faculties.  

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14 minutes ago, jzk said:

More likely it is a very low cost way of settling a lawsuit.  Still you are just speculating.  Joe Biden's opinion of black people came right out of his mouth countless times on video.  And it will keep coming too, because he is not completely in control of his faculties.  

His stutter is a well-known struggle he's faced for his entire life.  But, you'd rather mock him for it.

Meanwhile, you have a diaper-wearing, doddering old fool blurting out "I'm not even into golden showers" to defend.  Get to it.

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His stutter is a well-known struggle he's faced for his entire life.  But, you'd rather mock him for it.

Meanwhile, you have a diaper-wearing, doddering old fool blurting out "I'm not even into golden showers" to defend.  Get to it.

The thing about the stutter is that Biden is the enemy, so Good Americans know that they must take the fight to the enemy however possible. 

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Just now, Bus Driver said:

His stutter is a well-known struggle he's faced for his entire life.  But, you'd rather mock him for it.

Meanwhile, you have a diaper-wearing, doddering old fool blurting out "I'm not even into golden showers" to defend.  Get to it.

Not true.  The difference between how Biden acts now and just 10 years ago is dramatic.  His decline is plain to see for anyone.  It doesn't mean he is a bad guy, but maybe it is past his time to be President.

The racism stuff makes him a bad guy.

Lot's to criticize Trump about.  Just very weak evidence that he is racist.  Maybe he is secretly a racist, but that is not enough to smear him as a racist.  Unless, of course, you don't really care about racism.  

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2 hours ago, Meat Wad said:

The question should really be:

"What is wrong with the Huan Race?"

Is that some south Asian tribe?

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3 hours ago, jzk said:

Not true.  The difference between how Biden acts now and just 10 years ago is dramatic.  His decline is plain to see for anyone.  It doesn't mean he is a bad guy, but maybe it is past his time to be President.

The racism stuff makes him a bad guy.

Lot's to criticize Trump about.  Just very weak evidence that he is racist.  Maybe he is secretly a racist, but that is not enough to smear him as a racist.  Unless, of course, you don't really care about racism.  

I love it when racist fucks like you deflect it to the other guy. It's so obvious yet you keep on. Of course Biden is now the racist and Trump may be. Secretly.

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9 minutes ago, pusslicker said:

I love it when racist fucks like you deflect it to the other guy. It's so obvious yet you keep on. Of course Biden is now the racist and Trump may be. Secretly.

Just about every white person born in the United States prior to 1972, and a great many born after, suffers in some way from being taught racism in some form or fashion, and has at some committed an act of racism. It may have been unintentional, but I have no doubt that it happened. For example, I learned and told many racist jokes when I was in elementary school. I thought they were funny at the time. I would be appalled to hear someone tell any of those jokes today.

How we deal with it going forward separates the racist from the non-racist. I'd say that Biden is doing a pretty good job. At least he is trying. TFG on the other hand is embracing it and pushing his racist followers to amp it up.

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Here's one of the things that is wrong with the USA...this from a guy who is pulling in a million a year from coal.

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The most powerful part of President Biden’s climate agenda — a program to rapidly replace the nation’s coal and gas-fired power plants with wind, solar and nuclear energy — will likely be dropped from the massive budget bill pending in Congress, according to congressional staffers and lobbyists familiar with the matter.

Senator Joe Manchin III, the Democrat from coal-rich West Virginia whose vote is crucial to passage of the bill, has told the White House that he strongly opposes the clean electricity program, according to three of those people. As a result, White House staffers are now rewriting the legislation without that climate provision, and are trying to cobble together a mix of other policies that could also cut emissions.

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/10/15/climate/clean-energy-program-manchin.html

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Basically, Money is the biggest failure of this country, How many Billions of dollars do you need? 

The middle class is falling apart, their the ones that pay all the taxes, and the best ones in debt .and it's our fault, From sportsman , sink a little white ball in a hole or throw, hit catch kick a ball  and we give you millions And the word actor says it all or give your money to churches to get into a fake fairies' land.

Here are 2 good video' explain some of it:

EXPOSED: These Rich Wall Street Billionaires Profit Off The Extreme Poverty They Caused! - YouTube

Why Is Everyone Quitting Their Jobs? - Getting Back To Normal-Ish | The Daily Show - YouTube

Why are we working so hard to buy the things we see on TV/Internet

To quote Robert Zimmerman "The Times are a changing"

 

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47 minutes ago, pusslicker said:

I love it when racist fucks like you deflect it to the other guy. It's so obvious yet you keep on. Of course Biden is now the racist and Trump may be. Secretly.

Thank you for making my point.

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24 minutes ago, Not for nothing said:

Basically, Money is the biggest failure of this country, How many Billions of dollars do you need? 

The middle class is falling apart, their the ones that pay all the taxes, and the best ones in debt .and it's our fault, From sportsman , sink a little white ball in a hole or throw, hit catch kick a ball  and we give you millions And the word actor says it all or give your money to churches to get into a fake fairies' land.

Here are 2 good video' explain some of it:

EXPOSED: These Rich Wall Street Billionaires Profit Off The Extreme Poverty They Caused! - YouTube

Why Is Everyone Quitting Their Jobs? - Getting Back To Normal-Ish | The Daily Show - YouTube

Why are we working so hard to buy the things we see on TV/Internet

To quote Robert Zimmerman "The Times are a changing"

 

 

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25 minutes ago, Not for nothing said:

Basically, Money is the biggest failure of this country, How many Billions of dollars do you need? 

The middle class is falling apart, their the ones that pay all the taxes, and the best ones in debt .and it's our fault, From sportsman , sink a little white ball in a hole or throw, hit catch kick a ball  and we give you millions And the word actor says it all or give your money to churches to get into a fake fairies' land.

Here are 2 good video' explain some of it:

EXPOSED: These Rich Wall Street Billionaires Profit Off The Extreme Poverty They Caused! - YouTube

Why Is Everyone Quitting Their Jobs? - Getting Back To Normal-Ish | The Daily Show - YouTube

Why are we working so hard to buy the things we see on TV/Internet

To quote Robert Zimmerman "The Times are a changing"

 

 

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38 minutes ago, jzk said:

 

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Interesting , The one thing in your charts I found interesting was "  Adjusted Gross Income", so is I guess that's after deductions? also Capitals gains is much lower then Income taxes .

The point I was trying to make was in what is wrong in the USA is basic GREED , or how I can screw my fellow country men out of a dollar, where it's their own workers or the customer.

It would be nice if our elected politicians, would do the best for their voters ,not the super PAC's or the  corporations  

Here a dated video 2012, that spells out what's wrong with our country, and nothing has changed

"America is not the greatest country in the world anymore" - The Newsroom 2012 - SUBTITLES - YouTube

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1 hour ago, jzk said:

 

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That chart is based on income. Not wealth. Makes a huge difference. Congressional lobbyist’s and tax accounting magic. If only the lower classes could compete with the rigged  system. 

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1 hour ago, jzk said:

That chart is based on income. Not wealth. Makes a huge difference. Congressional lobbyist’s and tax accounting magic. If only the lower classes could compete with the rigged  system. 

Well, it's essentially a bar graph in pretty colors that PROVES the rich should have their taxes lowered.

So you know it's bullshit from the start. You can fool some of the people ALL the time.

- DSK

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Ya know, Americans have no idea how good they have it.

That's the real problem.

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On 10/11/2021 at 11:19 AM, Burning Man said:

Good. Little shits like that need to be beaten to death for trying to kill others.  The mob just saved the taxpayers a fuck load of $$ and time. 
 

Good riddance to trash. I have zero fucks to give here. 

Hmm, I was about to ask if this happened in a shithole inhabited by the downtrodden uneducated and feral.

Seems like the law of the mob is not confined to the above.

That's worrying.

As for what's wrong with America.

It's nothing that you can point to over the last decade or even the last 100 years.

Every new world country has a  "modern history". Different administrations, different laws, different application and enforcement of those laws, different cultures inputting their own morals and idea's about what their "local" patch should look like.

That history defined the future.

The path for modern America, Canada, New Zealand, Australia was chartered by whoever was in charge at the beginning of their modern history.

The only substantial difference I can see between the above is that modern America began when those in charge were from a more brutal, frightened and Authoritarian time.

And you revolted and altered that path.

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2 hours ago, Keith said:

Ya know, Americans have no idea how good they have it.

That's the real problem.

I am the first to admit that I am spoiled beyond belief - but at least I admit it. 

I'll just bet you have it pretty cushy too  . . 

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3 hours ago, Keith said:

Ya know, Americans have no idea how good they have it.

That's the real problem.

Nah, that's half the problem, the other half is those that have a good idea of how bad they have it.

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2 hours ago, ShortForBob said:
6 hours ago, Keith said:

Ya know, Americans have no idea how good they have it.

That's the real problem.

Nah, that's half the problem, the other half is those that have a good idea of how bad they have it.

I thought our problem was know-nothing ferriners who want to "fix" us.

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36 minutes ago, Excoded Tom said:

I thought our problem was know-nothing ferriners who want to "fix" us.

See, have Americans ever understood the concept of impartial observers.

Or non vested interest for hat matter.

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9 hours ago, Not for nothing said:

Interesting , The one thing in your charts I found interesting was "  Adjusted Gross Income", so is I guess that's after deductions? also Capitals gains is much lower then Income taxes .

The point I was trying to make was in what is wrong in the USA is basic GREED , or how I can screw my fellow country men out of a dollar, where it's their own workers or the customer.

It would be nice if our elected politicians, would do the best for their voters ,not the super PAC's or the  corporations  

Here a dated video 2012, that spells out what's wrong with our country, and nothing has changed

"America is not the greatest country in the world anymore" - The Newsroom 2012 - SUBTITLES - YouTube

It's also reporting "income tax" rather than the associated payroll taxes that workers pay.  What fun it would be if the top quintile had all the same "withholdings" taken out of their gross revenues and had to apply for refunds.  I ran across reference one time that stated somewhere in the 99% range of all payroll taxes are collected while only around 65% of none payroll was.  Voluntary reporting isn't as effective.

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Just now, Steam Flyer said:

In political terminology, libertarians are a lot closer to know-nothings than ferriners are.

Didn't you know that?

- DSK

Heh. This from a guy who didn't even know how the only Libertarian ever to serve in Congress voted on Trump's impeachment? Interested in the subject, just not enough to become informed on it.

  

On 4/7/2020 at 6:34 AM, Excoded Tom said:
On 4/6/2020 at 10:06 AM, Steam Flyer said:
On 4/6/2020 at 7:29 AM, Steganographic Tom said:

You mean like Justin Amash?

How did he vote on impeachment?

- DSK

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He voted to impeach Trump, just like any other Trumpalo.

If you know less than a know-nothing, what does that make you?

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On 10/10/2021 at 8:24 PM, Steam Flyer said:

Yeah well, it's not justifiable as self-defense, is it? What is your legal position here... "He pissed me off so bad, he just needed killin'." And the court says, "Ok, fine, no prob."

Killing people is heavily frowned on in a polite society. Revenge killing is for barbarians.

- DSK

 

Polite society?

https://www.saturdaydownsouth.com/sports/alabama-mobile-high-school-football-stadium-cleared-after-gunshot-injuries-2021/

 

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16 minutes ago, Ishmael said:

Who is stupid enough to vote for clowns like this? Besides Republicans, I mean.

 

As a NC voter ... apologies to the world for this backwardness. I'm doing what I can.

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22 minutes ago, Ishmael said:

Who is stupid enough to vote for clowns like this? Besides Republicans, I mean.

 

I wonder, do they have have disabled ramps in hell or is it hell because there are no disabled ramps?

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1 hour ago, Ishmael said:

Who is stupid enough to vote for clowns like this? Besides Republicans, I mean.

 

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As a NC voter ... apologies to the world for this backwardness. I'm doing what I can.

He's from the other end of the state from us. Although God knows my own Congresscritter is nobody to write home about. I am hoping he'll be a one-and-done.

- DSK

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1 hour ago, Ishmael said:

Who is stupid enough to vote for clowns like this? Besides Republicans, I mean.

 

Seizing every Chinese asset in America is going to be a bit of a challenge.  It is basically the column that balances the trade deficit with China.

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24/7 media that no longer reports the news with an occasional "announced editorial" at the end of the segment. Now every news story is an editorial. Sadly, no one notices the difference anymore.

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The continued buy in of "sides" to a political issue. The only sides that should matter are "We The People". Pitting us against one another for the last 150 years or so, has been remarkably successful, so don't expect them to change on their own.

3.

The constant barrage of "Racism". While it exists in all human beings to varying degrees, mostly it's Classism that is creating inequality. Classism that is be sold as racism to keep us busy hating each other.

 

This list has about another 6-7 points. Ones that don't having us attacking each other (by each other. I mean "We The People"). But instead, focusing on finding common ground to resolve the rapidly increasing decline of the USA

 

 

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What is wrong with the USA?!?

a misguided belief that having the worlds strongest military means you can piss on whomever you choose 

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Carl Sagan, 25 years ago, shortly before he died.

“I have a foreboding of an America in my children’s or grandchildren’s time – when the United States is a service and information economy; when nearly all the key manufacturing industries have slipped away to other countries; when awesome technological powers are in the hands of a very few, and no one representing the public interest can even grasp the issues; when the people have lost the ability to set their own agendas or knowledgeably question those in authority; when, clutching our crystals and nervously consulting our horoscopes, our critical faculties in decline, unable to distinguish between what feels good and what’s true, we slide, almost without noticing, back into superstition and darkness.

 

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10 hours ago, SloopJonB said:
16 hours ago, The_Real_XYZ said:

It's hell because it will be full of very surprised evangelicals

FTFY

I dunno about "surprised" but the Baptists will be very happy as long as there are some Methodists there in hell with them.

The Methodists will be happy as long as there are a few Catholics.

And both, along with the various evangelicals that call themselves whatever, will be very happy as long as there are some black people in hell with them.

- DSK

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20 hours ago, Ishmael said:

Who is stupid enough to vote for clowns like this? Besides Republicans, I mean.

 

To be honest. Fauci lied from the start. If he had told Ding Dong Ping that masks were not needed when he really knew they were, Ping would have Fauci in prison never to be heard from again.

But in the USA, you can lie and be rewarded for it. The Virus spread exponentially at the beginning because Fauci lied to everyone.

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3 minutes ago, Meat Wad said:

To be honest. Fauci lied from the start. If he had told Ding Dong Ping that masks were not needed when he really knew they were, Ping would have Fauci in prison never to be heard from again.

But in the USA, you can lie and be rewarded for it. The Virus spread exponentially at the beginning because Fauci lied to everyone.

You need new bullshit. That one's been done to death.

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That which is wrong with the USA  is Republican greed, selfishness, and racism. 

if we could exterminate all the Republicanism  we could have a much better country 

 

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2 minutes ago, Gouvernail said:

That which is wrong with the USA  is Republican greed, selfishness, and racism. 

if we could exterminate all the Republicanism  we could have a much better country 

 

i'd add selective morality as well. 

e.g. throw any non GOP in the clink for mj, while the GOP honchos in florida have blow parties with barely legal girls (not always), with .the GOP seniors turning a blind eye (boys will be boys, kavanaugh, gaetz et al) 

 

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21 hours ago, Ishmael said:

Who is stupid enough to vote for clowns like this? Besides Republicans, I mean.

 

Districts which can only vote for the R must accept whatever their primary puts up in front of them, even the self-admitted mentally disabled.  

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Madison_Cawthorn

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During the fall 2016 semester, Cawthorn attended Patrick Henry College, studying political science, but earned mostly D grades and dropped out. He said his grades were low primarily because his injuries had interfered with his ability to learn.[8] Cawthorn said in a deposition, "You know, suffering from a brain injury after the accident definitely I think it slowed my brain down a little bit. Made me less intelligent. 

 

 

 

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51 minutes ago, Meat Wad said:

To be honest. Fauci lied from the start. If he had told Ding Dong Ping that masks were not needed when he really knew they were, Ping would have Fauci in prison never to be heard from again.

But in the USA, you can lie and be rewarded for it. The Virus spread exponentially at the beginning because Fauci lied to everyone.

Of course he did.

I admire how he carefully concealed his true agenda with a life time in public service and medicine. The elite bastard. 

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50 minutes ago, Meat Wad said:

To be honest. Fauci

Pissed off TFG by failing to lie for him, remember TFG stating 15 cases then it’ll be zero……yeah right.

And how many times did Fauci directly contradict the bullshit being uttered by TFG on the podium, in any other potential dictatorship he would have disappeared, thank God he didn’t.

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1 hour ago, Mark K said:

Districts which can only vote for the R must accept whatever their primary puts up in front of them, even the self-admitted mentally disabled.  

 

You can just strike that part, they are mentally disabled by default.

 

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1 hour ago, Meat Wad said:

To be honest. Fauci lied from the start. If he had told Ding Dong Ping that masks were not needed when he really knew they were, Ping would have Fauci in prison never to be heard from again.

But in the USA, you can lie and be rewarded for it. The Virus spread exponentially at the beginning because Fauci lied to everyone.

 

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1 hour ago, Meat Wad said:

To be honest. Fauci lied from the start. If he had told Ding Dong Ping that masks were not needed when he really knew they were, Ping would have Fauci in prison never to be heard from again.

But in the USA, you can lie and be rewarded for it. The Virus spread exponentially at the beginning because Fauci lied to everyone.

You lie badly, so no reward for you!

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2 hours ago, Mark K said:

Districts which can only vote for the R must accept whatever their primary puts up in front of them, even the self-admitted mentally disabled.  

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Madison_Cawthorn

Well it appears he was absolutely right.

Self awareness is good.

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3 hours ago, Meat Wad said:

To be honest. Fauci lied from the start. If he had told Ding Dong Ping that masks were not needed when he really knew they were, Ping would have Fauci in prison never to be heard from again.

But in the USA, you can lie and be rewarded for it. The Virus spread exponentially at the beginning because Fauci lied to everyone.

Are you trying to unseat Vermin from his position atop the "Stupidest Poster Here" podium?

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2 hours ago, SloopJonB said:

Are you trying to unseat Vermin from his position atop the "Stupidest Poster Here" podium?

More like his seat in the effluent jacuzi

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On 10/15/2021 at 6:44 AM, Steam Flyer said:

They're just symptoms.

The real illness is the people who keep on voting for them

- DSK

Wrong.  The people voting for them are also symptoms.  You still haven't ID'd the root cause.  Keep trying.

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On 10/15/2021 at 6:48 PM, Not for nothing said:

It would be nice if our elected politicians, would do the best for their voters ,not the super PAC's or the  corporations  

 

I personally think this ^^ is the biggest issue that is wrong with our country.  Almost Every ill stems from $$ in politics.  Yes, I know $$ and politics have always gone hand in hand.  But it has never been so openly greedy.  I felt like politicians still cared about issues and their constituents, even when lining their pockets.  They tried to at least spread the wealth a bit, rather than keep it all to themselves.  

It may be counter-intuitive, but the removal of pork from spending bills and pols needing to be beholden to their party for funding might have been the final straw in elected pols saying fuck it - I can do it on my own, I don't need no steenking RNC/DNC to tell me what to do.  

Hence why Nancy is no longer able to effectively herd her cats.  Just saying.

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One of the other things that is wrong with 'Murica is that the concept of social media "influencers" is actually a big deal.  Who the fuck are these people and why should we care?

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49 minutes ago, Burning Man said:

I personally think this ^^ is the biggest issue that is wrong with our country.  Almost Every ill stems from $$ in politics. 

we live on a delicate rock floating thru space , and all politicians/corporations are worried about in some fiat money, well when the this rock can't support life any more what will money buy?

Here's a video that shows now fragile we are; I find it relaxing and scary at the same time, turn up the volume to hears the fury of our rock!

Live Now: Volcano Eruption on La Palma, Canary Islands - YouTube

   

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Speaking as one who knows, a grade of "D" in Poly Sigh 

indicates that one is about at the intellectual level of a garden succulent   . . 

Except that our succulents are better looking .  . 

During the fall 2016 semester, Cawthorn attended Patrick Henry College, studying political science, but earned mostly D grades and dropped out.

Bunny Rabbit Succulents Are Here to Make You Incredibly Hoppy

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Maybe someone can explain this article:

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/10/18/us/coronavirus-public-health.html

Why Public Health Faces a Crisis Across the U.S.  An examination of hundreds of health departments around the country shows that the nation may be less prepared for the next pandemic than it was for the current one.

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Many, particularly in conservative circles, have increasingly embraced individual rights over collective responsibilities, a trend that Dr. Rosner said is undercutting the notion of a social contract in which people work together to achieve a greater good.

“It’s a depressing moment,” he said. “What makes a society if you can’t even get together around keeping your people healthy?”

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The article describes in detail all the steps being taken to undermine, eliminate or just plain threaten public health officials.   I am gobsmacked by this article.   

Indeed, what is wrong with the USA? 

 

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7 minutes ago, Bugsy said:

Maybe someone can explain this article:

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/10/18/us/coronavirus-public-health.html

Why Public Health Faces a Crisis Across the U.S.  An examination of hundreds of health departments around the country shows that the nation may be less prepared for the next pandemic than it was for the current one.

The article describes in detail all the steps being taken to undermine, eliminate or just plain threaten public health officials.   I am gobsmacked by this article.   

Indeed, what is wrong with the USA? 

 

Once the Best Americans experienced the windfall of this pandemic, we lost the motivation to avoid the next one. They aren’t the ones dying from it. 

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40 minutes ago, Bugsy said:

Maybe someone can explain this article:

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/10/18/us/coronavirus-public-health.html

Why Public Health Faces a Crisis Across the U.S.  An examination of hundreds of health departments around the country shows that the nation may be less prepared for the next pandemic than it was for the current one.

...

Many, particularly in conservative circles, have increasingly embraced individual rights over collective responsibilities, a trend that Dr. Rosner said is undercutting the notion of a social contract in which people work together to achieve a greater good.

“It’s a depressing moment,” he said. “What makes a society if you can’t even get together around keeping your people healthy?”

...

The article describes in detail all the steps being taken to undermine, eliminate or just plain threaten public health officials.   I am gobsmacked by this article.   

Indeed, what is wrong with the USA? 

 

The problem is that the politicians seem to demand to be the ones to force "collective responsibilities" on everyone.

I always get a little antsy when someone starts using "collective" in almost any context.  The definitions are always rather one sided.

 

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30 minutes ago, Saorsa said:

The problem is that the politicians seem to demand to be the ones to force "collective responsibilities" on everyone.

I always get a little antsy when someone starts using "collective" in almost any context.  The definitions are always rather one sided.

 

Right, cause if there is a nation of 340 million, everyone going it on their own is best. May only the strong survive. And time to stop wasting money on the older folks, we can cancel SS and Medicare. Buncha takers.

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33 minutes ago, Saorsa said:

The problem is that the politicians seem to demand to be the ones to force "collective responsibilities" on everyone.

I always get a little antsy when someone starts using "collective" in almost any context.  The definitions are always rather one sided.

 

Personally,  I think the trepidation flows from a creeping definition of health, not some general fear of collective responsibility. 

The Republicans couch their authoritarian leanings under the umbrella of 'safety'.  They see 'health' as the Democratic mirror image.  

In a binary world, it makes sense.  

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50 minutes ago, BeSafe said:

Personally,  I think the trepidation flows from a creeping definition of health, not some general fear of collective responsibility. 

The Republicans couch their authoritarian leanings under the umbrella of 'safety'.  They see 'health' as the Democratic mirror image.  

In a binary world, it makes sense.  

Could be more that the public is being convinced that "We, The People" and "The Government" are somehow different.  Reagan's 'Government is the problem" started driving the wedge between the people and their elected government, without pointing out that if government shrinks another entity expands to pick up the dropped reins.  If we're unhappy about Amazon, Facebook, Bank of America.... having so much power, blame Ronnie and his acolytes.

 

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16 hours ago, Gouvernail said:

The Republican religion of money is harming America 

Do you seriously think that is an R only religion?  They may be different denominations, but Rs and Ds absolutely pray to the same god.  

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14 hours ago, BeSafe said:

Personally,  I think the trepidation flows from a creeping definition of health, not some general fear of collective responsibility. 

The Republicans couch their authoritarian leanings under the umbrella of 'safety'.  They see 'health' as the Democratic mirror image.  

In a binary world, it makes sense.  

Given the actual numbers that everyone wants to ignore I would suggest that the increasing number of Democrats ignoring the mandates they demand for others is rank hypocrisy.

Republicans demanding no mandates and Democrats demanding mandates are both wrong.

the things you need to think of when creating a law are

Is this law necessary.  Is this law enforceable.  What precedent does this law create.

If you go to Japan or China you will see thousands wearing masks.  Neither country has a law requiring it.  It has, over the years, been accepted as a sign of social responsibility.  There was NO collective decision by politicians to force this on the citizens.  Since wearing masks is common a government need only give a reason (like a pandemic) and ask that masks be worn when necessary to increase their use.

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14 hours ago, learningJ24 said:

Could be more that the public is being convinced that "We, The People" and "The Government" are somehow different.  Reagan's 'Government is the problem" started driving the wedge between the people and their elected government, without pointing out that if government shrinks another entity expands to pick up the dropped reins.  If we're unhappy about Amazon, Facebook, Bank of America.... having so much power, blame Ronnie and his acolytes.

 

Nope, I would blame it on folks who believe in a "two party system" and froze the size of the house of representatives at 435 regardless of population growth.  That instantly created a political elite and gave them a nice place to be fed by lobbyists.

In 1929 the Permanent Apportionment Act became law. It permanently set the maximum number of representatives at 435. In addition, the law determined a procedure for automatically reapportioning House seats after each census.

The 1920 census showed a population of 106,021,537.  Each representative served 243K people.

The 1930 census showed a population of 122,775,046.  Each representative served 282K people.

The 2020 census showed us a population of about 330 million.  Each representative "serves" about 760K people.

The result of those numbers are that the representative serve none of the people, they serve the interest of the parties.

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15 hours ago, BeSafe said:

Personally,  I think the trepidation flows from a creeping definition of health, not some general fear of collective responsibility. 

 

True.  Folks seem to think that we can eliminate viruses like they were a snail darter.

Fact is nature provides us with plenty of ways to die one of which will ultimately succeed.

You do have a responsibility to maintain your own health and fitness.  If you don't, it comes sooner.

Colin Powell's death is headlined as COVID. 

Powell was 84 years old and suffering from Parkinson's Disease and Multiple Myeloma.   Vaccines are not particularly effective in Myeloma patients.  https://www.nature.com/articles/s41375-021-01354-7 if you are interested.

From https://ascopubs.org/doi/10.1200/JCO.2009.25.2114

Age is associated with higher ISS stage and is an important risk factor for early mortality. Survival declined continuously by each decade from age 50 to age ≥ 80 from more than 6 to less than 3 years. The average of years of life lost in patients with myeloma is higher than in many other cancers and amounts to more than 30 years in patients younger than 40 years old but decreases to less than 5 years in patients age 80 years or older.

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2 hours ago, Saorsa said:

Nope, I would blame it on folks who believe in a "two party system" and froze the size of the house of representatives at 435 regardless of population growth.  That instantly created a political elite and gave them a nice place to be fed by lobbyists.

In 1929 the Permanent Apportionment Act became law. It permanently set the maximum number of representatives at 435. In addition, the law determined a procedure for automatically reapportioning House seats after each census.

The 1920 census showed a population of 106,021,537.  Each representative served 243K people.

The 1930 census showed a population of 122,775,046.  Each representative served 282K people.

The 2020 census showed us a population of about 330 million.  Each representative "serves" about 760K people.

The result of those numbers are that the representative serve none of the people, they serve the interest of the parties.

Here, I would agree with you.  Were the size of the House doubled, gerrymandering would become more difficult (hopefully) reducing minority rule and would expand the Electoral College to shift influence back to the population.  

As for the two party system, what is the natural 3rd party? We have a rural/urban split, pro/anti-government split, black/white split, fundamentalist v mainline split, where's the lane for a 3rd or 4th?  Even anti-Trump Republicans can't get enough traction to move the needle.  I'm afraid that, while the issues have graduations between them, the American people are mostly bi-polar.

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45 minutes ago, learningJ24 said:

As for the two party system, what is the natural 3rd party?

Simply for the purpose of comparison, Canada is represented by five parties in our House of Commons:

1. Liberals. 

2. Conservatives. 

3. NDP (left of liberals, a place where Bernie Sanders would feel at home). 

4. BQ (all elected from Quebec - a regional party). 

5.  Greens. 

So your options for a third party in this instance can be ideological (NDP, Green) or regional (BQ).   What if, for example, all the West Coast representatives got together and said "we are only interested in what is good for the West Coast" regardless of ideology?  

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2 hours ago, learningJ24 said:

Here, I would agree with you.  Were the size of the House doubled, gerrymandering would become more difficult (hopefully) reducing minority rule and would expand the Electoral College to shift influence back to the population.  

As for the two party system, what is the natural 3rd party? We have a rural/urban split, pro/anti-government split, black/white split, fundamentalist v mainline split, where's the lane for a 3rd or 4th?  Even anti-Trump Republicans can't get enough traction to move the needle.  I'm afraid that, while the issues have graduations between them, the American people are mostly bi-polar.

Nope, we need more than double.  We need to establish the size of the house by some fixed number ofcitizens.  Make it 100K to bring us back to about the 1920 level.  If we only based it on registered voters we'd be at 1683 representatives.  Double that to about 3300  if you go by total populattion.  A bit less if you go by citizenship.

That's an awful lot of folks to fit into DC so, you make them actually  live within their constituency.

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Correct me if I'm wrong but aren't you a parliamentary system?  Having a separately elected Executive changes our outlook.  Also, our history of the major parties either adopting the platform of a growing third party or dying on a hill of it's choosing is imbedded.  Finally, our system has the regional interests building coalitions within the party rather than within the Congress. The history of our expansion across the continent has been one where particular regions have provided the majority of the immigrants who carried their belief systems with them.  David Woodard American Nations makes a well documented case for this by studying the county by county voting records for the country.  This explains why the West Coast and the New England coast are so similar as well as the Solid South.  The ideologies are baked into the regionally based political blocks. 

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