carcrash 506 Posted October 12, 2021 Share Posted October 12, 2021 There were two big reasons to add the sugar scoop. First, and by far the most important: Safety. While I could trivially reach up, grab a stanchion, and pull myself aboard one handed when I was a kid, my wife and I are no longer able to do that. We needed a way to self rescue. A swim step with a ladder that can be deployed from the water provides that. (I don't yet have photos of the swim step, but I will by the weekend). Second: Ease of getting into and out of a dinghy. The flared topsides made this harder than it might seem, and there were times at anchor where doing the dinghy-boat transfer was almost impossible. The possibly slightly improved performance, and the improved aesthetics, were minor reasons. Here is a video of the final product. I'll go through the entirety of the effort in subsequent posts. All work was done by Dennis Choate's crew at Diversified Composites (used to be called Dencho). The work was performed at Marina Shipyard in Long Beach CA. 1915355236_Scoop25c.MOV 1 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
carcrash 506 Posted October 12, 2021 Author Share Posted October 12, 2021 The lines of the hull were extended using horizontal strips screwed to the hull, and door skins (thin plywood). We will eliminate the old exhaust outlet for the long removed diesel. We will also eliminate the MOB tubes, which are a downflooding risk and unused. Your guess is as good as mine as to why one of these images is upside down. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
carcrash 506 Posted October 12, 2021 Author Share Posted October 12, 2021 Again, sorry about the weird image rotations... We had to cut 6" off the rudder just so we could pull it out to replace the rudder bearings with Jefe bearings. Details in another thread about the rudder. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
carcrash 506 Posted October 12, 2021 Author Share Posted October 12, 2021 The inside of the door skins gets a coating, as it is the female mold. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
carcrash 506 Posted October 12, 2021 Author Share Posted October 12, 2021 The temporary female mold has now been removed. The after edge of the scoop was created by using the existing transom as a mold. This provided the right curvature. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
carcrash 506 Posted October 12, 2021 Author Share Posted October 12, 2021 Cockpit drains are redirected to the aft end of the scoop. Eliminated exhaust for the long removed diesel. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
carcrash 506 Posted October 12, 2021 Author Share Posted October 12, 2021 The scoop has a few degrees of slope. We trimmed the platform to provide 36" x 36" of flat area. To avoid water pooling in the sugar scoop when heeled, underway, wedges are added. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
carcrash 506 Posted October 12, 2021 Author Share Posted October 12, 2021 The outside is getting faired and structurally connected to the outside of the hull. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
carcrash 506 Posted October 12, 2021 Author Share Posted October 12, 2021 The entire hull topsides are NEW gelcoat. Not paint. Sprayed on texture exactly matches the LP nonskid on deck. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
carcrash 506 Posted October 12, 2021 Author Share Posted October 12, 2021 The rudder is a bit higher aspect ratio now. We cut off 3" from the trailing edge to make the helm feel lighter. We did add the 6" back on, so the rudder is still nearly 7' deep. Certainly over 6' deep. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
carcrash 506 Posted October 12, 2021 Author Share Posted October 12, 2021 As we are launching 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
carcrash 506 Posted October 12, 2021 Author Share Posted October 12, 2021 Launched, and back in our slip at Cabrillo Beach Yacht Club. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
carcrash 506 Posted October 12, 2021 Author Share Posted October 12, 2021 Swim step pictures to come... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Will1073 102 Posted October 12, 2021 Share Posted October 12, 2021 Looks really good! Thanks for the all the photos of the job in progress. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Ron Swanson 54 Posted October 12, 2021 Share Posted October 12, 2021 Spectacular!!! Let us know if there are any performance differences, and how it changes life aboard. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
yoyo 248 Posted October 12, 2021 Share Posted October 12, 2021 Thanks for posting. Looks like the scoop should accomplish what you wanted. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Zonker 5,248 Posted October 12, 2021 Share Posted October 12, 2021 Yeah thanks for the documentation. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ahab in puget 17 Posted October 12, 2021 Share Posted October 12, 2021 looks good. Now you got an Olson 42 or there abouts. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Zonker 5,248 Posted October 12, 2021 Share Posted October 12, 2021 Well you sure don't tell the marina. It's still an Olson 40! 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ICP 0 Posted October 18, 2021 Share Posted October 18, 2021 Very cool project! Im curious about the rudder brining replacement. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
wingssail 40 Posted October 23, 2021 Share Posted October 23, 2021 David, What a beautiful job you and the team at Diversified Compositesare doing, the boat is georgous. Thanks for reaching out to us on the blog. Sorry, I don't know how to get back to you other than this. Obviously your ideas on what you want are completely in sync with our own, but your boat will be very fast, I fear you would come out the best of us on the race course. Paint job is terrific. Hope to see you in Mexico Fred Roswold, SV Wings 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Fiji Bitter 1,976 Posted October 23, 2021 Share Posted October 23, 2021 On 10/13/2021 at 10:08 AM, Zonker said: Well you sure don't tell the marina. It's still an Olson 40! I always register as 36ft, while my boat is 39ft including a 3ft scoop. At the end of a winter haulout and paint job in Canada, they came to measure all the boats for the new yard owners. Fearing some embarrasment and possible extra charges, I told them I just added the 3ft scoop. The guy asked if that would make the boat faster, and I said that I would certainly hope so, with a poker face! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
MiddayGun 354 Posted October 23, 2021 Share Posted October 23, 2021 Impressive! Do you have any details on how you sprayed the non skid? And how sticky it turned out? Thanks! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
carcrash 506 Posted October 24, 2021 Author Share Posted October 24, 2021 On 10/18/2021 at 3:36 PM, ICP said: Very cool project! Im curious about the rudder brining replacement. The helm feel is light air is clearly improved. I have not yet been in big seas. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
carcrash 506 Posted October 24, 2021 Author Share Posted October 24, 2021 On 10/23/2021 at 5:56 AM, MiddayGun said: Impressive! Do you have any details on how you sprayed the non skid? And how sticky it turned out? Thanks! Finco Fabrication (Steve Brown) sprayed the decks using Awlgrip, including spraying the Awlgrip proprietary non-skid additive for the grey areas of the deck. He did it about 4 years ago. It came out GREAT and continues to be GREAT today. It seems just the right amount of grip. Very happy with that deck paint job!! 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Alex W 342 Posted October 25, 2021 Share Posted October 25, 2021 How did you pick the length of the sugar scoop? It seems quite a bit longer than I’d expect, but there might be an advantage that isn’t clear to me. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
floater 696 Posted October 25, 2021 Share Posted October 25, 2021 being able to hold more than one person at a time seems like a big advantage. I was thinking of simply bolting on the widest swim step possible onto my transom simply to make it easier / more fun to get into and out of the water. dangling around on a one-at-a-time ladder works, sorta, but.. PS: love everything about this Olson 40.. definitely would love to see one of the Ed's retroboat features on it. and these blog posts on anarchy are really great. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
carcrash 506 Posted November 2, 2021 Author Share Posted November 2, 2021 On 10/24/2021 at 7:38 PM, Alex W said: How did you pick the length of the sugar scoop? It seems quite a bit longer than I’d expect, but there might be an advantage that isn’t clear to me. At first I was thinking about 1.5 feet, enough to easily sit on and drag one’s feet while sailing. But trying the action of climbing aboard, or helping someone climb aboard (MOB event) made a longer scoop seem safer. As it was being built, we tried it, and much preferred the longer scoop. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Rasputin22 3,505 Posted November 2, 2021 Share Posted November 2, 2021 Now we have the full poop on the scoop! Thanks Quote Link to post Share on other sites
El Borracho 2,636 Posted November 2, 2021 Share Posted November 2, 2021 49 minutes ago, Rasputin22 said: Now we have the full poop on the scoop! Thanks Did you mean scoop on the poop? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
solosailor 622 Posted November 2, 2021 Share Posted November 2, 2021 Why did they use Balsa ? Ugg. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
carcrash 506 Posted November 2, 2021 Author Share Posted November 2, 2021 Thanks Jim Kuhn! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Will1073 102 Posted November 4, 2021 Share Posted November 4, 2021 On 11/2/2021 at 3:46 PM, solosailor said: Why did they use Balsa ? Ugg. Matches the rest of the boat. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
PNW-LSJ 9 Posted November 29, 2021 Share Posted November 29, 2021 Very nice work! Might see what that would cost for our J40, good idea Quote Link to post Share on other sites
carcrash 506 Posted December 22, 2021 Author Share Posted December 22, 2021 A ton of fun riding on the sugar scoop. Little rooster tail in 6-8 knots of breeze... 1970807760_IMG_8851(2).mov Quote Link to post Share on other sites
carcrash 506 Posted December 22, 2021 Author Share Posted December 22, 2021 I love this boat! 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
allweather 70 Posted December 22, 2021 Share Posted December 22, 2021 Honestly, never really saw an Olsen before before coming here, and I agree that they're beautiful! And I like how your scoop fits into the picture. How long and how much money took this again? Looked so easy on the pictures but we all know how that goes. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
carcrash 506 Posted December 22, 2021 Author Share Posted December 22, 2021 99 days in the yard total. But most of that was redoing the hull gelcoat that turned out truly stunning. The transom was the first to start, and since it involved finish gelcoat and deck paint, was among the last thing finished. Transom labor including paint: 148 hours over 15 work days Materials approximately $2000. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
allweather 70 Posted December 22, 2021 Share Posted December 22, 2021 Nearly thought it astonishingly cheap, then realized that its just material cost plus work which yes, looks a lot more daunting. To great result though! And hull gelcoat is a lot of work too... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
carcrash 506 Posted December 22, 2021 Author Share Posted December 22, 2021 Gelcoat lasts decades, LP paint lasts years. So while the gelcoat was MUCH more expensive than LP paint, the result is spectacular, robust, and easy to repair. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
allweather 70 Posted December 23, 2021 Share Posted December 23, 2021 Well, can't really argue with that. I have polyurethane paint since 2012 and no issue, but also northern Europe with the boat only 7-9 months in the water. Damage repair is... Don't hit things Fixing some chafed through areas is painting over, wet sand and polish. So I have nothing more to compare to. No argument about the punishment gelcoat can take though. Tends to be thicker to begin with. On the flip side, I haven't polished gelcoat in years. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Monkey 2,378 Posted December 23, 2021 Share Posted December 23, 2021 1 hour ago, carcrash said: Gelcoat lasts decades, LP paint lasts years. So while the gelcoat was MUCH more expensive than LP paint, the result is spectacular, robust, and easy to repair. To each their own. I’m happy as can be with a painted boat. Far easier to patch up little dings than gel coat. On a cruiser, I can understand your choice. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Will1073 102 Posted December 23, 2021 Share Posted December 23, 2021 6 hours ago, carcrash said: 99 days in the yard total. But most of that was redoing the hull gelcoat that turned out truly stunning. The transom was the first to start, and since it involved finish gelcoat and deck paint, was among the last thing finished. Transom labor including paint: 148 hours over 15 work days Materials approximately $2000. I’m in the industry, they did really well. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Black Jack 584 Posted December 23, 2021 Share Posted December 23, 2021 She is very sexy! Do you have any empirical data on her improved performance? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
3to1 733 Posted December 23, 2021 Share Posted December 23, 2021 yea, I'd be happy with that. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gkny 26 Posted December 23, 2021 Share Posted December 23, 2021 Now all you need is the requisite orange Home Depot bucket with water parked on the scoop to keep the LB sea lions from sun bathing Quote Link to post Share on other sites
carcrash 506 Posted December 25, 2021 Author Share Posted December 25, 2021 On 12/23/2021 at 2:26 PM, gkny said: Now all you need is the requisite orange Home Depot bucket with water parked on the scoop to keep the LB sea lions from sun bathing I hope the swim ladder in the middle causes them to at least think about it for a bit. Unfortunately, Sea Lions are mammals, and are pretty clever. There is one in our marina, and he does bump the boat sometimes in the middle of the night, and seems to play with us as we walk down the docks. I sure don't want that enormous animal getting too confident around people, and us in particular!! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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