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7 minutes ago, Ease the sheet. said:

Actually, it's not.

Rapist should have been on remand or at the least out on bail.

Well take it up with the sheriff and DA.  He was arrested in July  and obviously he was back in school this fall

He could have been out on bail. Because he is under age records are sealed. 

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So we are at a point where Ted Cruz is defending Nazi Salutes and "Heil Hitler" slogans directed at soccer moms who are on the local school boards, Karens yelling at children as they go to school, ban

Thanks, @The Joker for finding a non-clickbait source for the story.  Turns out, there was an immediate referral of the incident to the police by the school principal, and that the police investi

The school heard about the incident, and reported it to the police "within minutes" as required by law. The school was required by Title IX to consider the rights of the accused as well as the victim,

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Thanks, @The Joker for finding a non-clickbait source for the story. 

Turns out, there was an immediate referral of the incident to the police by the school principal, and that the police investigation immediately curtailed the ability of the school to conduct any investigation of its own. Furthermore, Title IX changes instituted by the Trump Administration MUST BE FOLLOWED in all investigations, and this includes a grievance process which greatly empowers the accused aggressor to resist and defend against he-said/she-said type complaints.

Seems this father should take out his anger against Betsy de Vos and the GOP at the polls. They are responsible for the delays and weak punishments which can be meted out.

"Loudoun County Public Schools is aware of the media and social media reports concerning alleged sexual assaults at two of our high school campuses. While LCPS takes student privacy seriously and cannot reveal details concerning the actions of any specific student, we do want to clarify our investigative process. Principals are legally required to report to the local law enforcement agency any act, including sexual assault, that may constitute a felony offense under Va. Code 22.1-279.3:1. That process was followed with respect to these allegations. Loudoun County Sheriff's Office was contacted within minutes of receiving the initial report on May 28. Once a matter has been reported to law enforcement, LCPS does not begin its investigation until law enforcement advises LCPS that it has completed the criminal investigation. To maintain the integrity of the criminal investigation, law enforcement requested that LCPS not interview students until their investigation is concluded. LCPS has cooperated and continues to cooperate with law enforcement.

Furthermore, LCPS is prohibited from disciplining any student without following the Title IX grievance process, which includes investigating complaints of sexual harassment and sexual assault. LCPS does impose interim measures to protect the safety of students involved in the original incident, deter retaliation, and preserve the integrity of the investigation and resolution process. LCPS has complied and continues to comply with its obligations under Title IX.

School Board members are typically not given details of disciplinary matters. The board may be obligated to consider long-term suspensions or expulsions and must ensure that students have not been deprived of due process. Consequently, members of the Loudoun County School Board were not aware of the specific details of this incident until it was reported in media outlets earlier this week.

 

So, in sum, the school board was unable to even confirm that an assault had taken place, because Betsy De Vos's rules have created the change Republicans wanted. The School imposed the maximum penalty they were allowed to impose, and transferred the student so his first victim didn't have to see him daily. Cries of "cover up" are misleading and an attempt to misinform everyone, since the Title IX process limited their ability to characterize the complaint as a sexual assault.

So, @The Joker please stop trying to misinform us.

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15 minutes ago, The Joker said:
21 minutes ago, Steam Flyer said:

And it's the school board's fault, not the police or the DA... huh

 

Yes they could have expelled him.  Instead they quietly transferred him to a different school.  
 

The DA was too busy personally prosecuting the father for a misdemeanor and demanding jail time on a disorderly conduct charge. 

You're truly fucked in the head.

It sounds like the police and the DA were not doing a good job but that doesn't make it the school board's fault. "They could have expelled him" ok great how is that going to make a difference when he was already breaking the rules the first time?

You are really going out on a limb... well, following the RWNJ spew out on a limb... to make this about evil libby-rulls and the bad education stuff. DEMOCRATS=BAD!!!

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1 hour ago, The Joker said:

That is not what Merrick’s memo said. get involved even if it’s not a federal crime    And you guys worried about Barr  

Garland's memorandum also says that the Justice Department will announce more efforts aimed at addressing the rise in "criminal conduct directed toward school personnel" in the days ahead. Those are expected to include:

  • The establishment of a task force to determine how federal enforcement tools can be used to prosecute crimes, and ways to assist local law enforcement in situations where threats of violence may not constitute federal crimes



By what standard should  the FBI get involved with a local board?  You actually believe that these parents are part of some national gang?    Wow that must be some good shit you are smoking. 

Yes, there are national agitators. Are you blind?

I bet you think the Tea Party was a grass roots spontaneous movement.

And yes, the Feds have gotten involved in MANY civil issues over the decades, when local police have not. That's the thing, when you're part of a federal system, the local police don't get to just ignore things they want to.

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20 minutes ago, phillysailor said:

Thanks, @The Joker for finding a non-clickbait source for the story. 

Turns out, there was an immediate referral of the incident to the police by the school principal, and that the police investigation immediately curtailed the ability of the school to conduct any investigation of its own. Furthermore, Title IX changes instituted by the Trump Administration MUST BE FOLLOWED in all investigations, and this includes a grievance process which greatly empowers the accused aggressor to resist and defend against he-said/she-said type complaints.

Seems this father should take out his anger against Betsy de Vos and the GOP at the polls. They are responsible for the delays and weak punishments which can be meted out.

"Loudoun County Public Schools is aware of the media and social media reports concerning alleged sexual assaults at two of our high school campuses. While LCPS takes student privacy seriously and cannot reveal details concerning the actions of any specific student, we do want to clarify our investigative process. Principals are legally required to report to the local law enforcement agency any act, including sexual assault, that may constitute a felony offense under Va. Code 22.1-279.3:1. That process was followed with respect to these allegations. Loudoun County Sheriff's Office was contacted within minutes of receiving the initial report on May 28. Once a matter has been reported to law enforcement, LCPS does not begin its investigation until law enforcement advises LCPS that it has completed the criminal investigation. To maintain the integrity of the criminal investigation, law enforcement requested that LCPS not interview students until their investigation is concluded. LCPS has cooperated and continues to cooperate with law enforcement.

Furthermore, LCPS is prohibited from disciplining any student without following the Title IX grievance process, which includes investigating complaints of sexual harassment and sexual assault. LCPS does impose interim measures to protect the safety of students involved in the original incident, deter retaliation, and preserve the integrity of the investigation and resolution process. LCPS has complied and continues to comply with its obligations under Title IX.

School Board members are typically not given details of disciplinary matters. The board may be obligated to consider long-term suspensions or expulsions and must ensure that students have not been deprived of due process. Consequently, members of the Loudoun County School Board were not aware of the specific details of this incident until it was reported in media outlets earlier this week.

 

So, in sum, the school board was unable to even confirm that an assault had taken place, because Betsy De Vos's rules have created the change Republicans wanted. The School imposed the maximum penalty they were allowed to impose, and transferred the student so his first victim didn't have to see him daily. Cries of "cover up" are misleading and an attempt to misinform everyone, since the Title IX process limited their ability to characterize the complaint as a sexual assault.

So, @The Joker please stop trying to misinform us.

Another thing TFG has fucked up. Our kids are now at more risk than before, from repeat offenders. 

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38 minutes ago, The Joker said:

Yes they could have expelled him.  Instead they quietly transferred him to a different school.  
 

 

Turns out that due to Betsy, the School Board could do neither. 

Thanks for finding yet-another-story that totally blows up in your face.

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2 hours ago, phillysailor said:

Thanks, @The Joker for finding a non-clickbait source for the story. 

Turns out, there was an immediate referral of the incident to the police by the school principal, and that the police investigation immediately curtailed the ability of the school to conduct any investigation of its own. Furthermore, Title IX changes instituted by the Trump Administration MUST BE FOLLOWED in all investigations, and this includes a grievance process which greatly empowers the accused aggressor to resist and defend against he-said/she-said type complaints.

Seems this father should take out his anger against Betsy de Vos and the GOP at the polls. They are responsible for the delays and weak punishments which can be meted out.

"Loudoun County Public Schools is aware of the media and social media reports concerning alleged sexual assaults at two of our high school campuses. While LCPS takes student privacy seriously and cannot reveal details concerning the actions of any specific student, we do want to clarify our investigative process. Principals are legally required to report to the local law enforcement agency any act, including sexual assault, that may constitute a felony offense under Va. Code 22.1-279.3:1. That process was followed with respect to these allegations. Loudoun County Sheriff's Office was contacted within minutes of receiving the initial report on May 28. Once a matter has been reported to law enforcement, LCPS does not begin its investigation until law enforcement advises LCPS that it has completed the criminal investigation. To maintain the integrity of the criminal investigation, law enforcement requested that LCPS not interview students until their investigation is concluded. LCPS has cooperated and continues to cooperate with law enforcement.

Furthermore, LCPS is prohibited from disciplining any student without following the Title IX grievance process, which includes investigating complaints of sexual harassment and sexual assault. LCPS does impose interim measures to protect the safety of students involved in the original incident, deter retaliation, and preserve the integrity of the investigation and resolution process. LCPS has complied and continues to comply with its obligations under Title IX.

School Board members are typically not given details of disciplinary matters. The board may be obligated to consider long-term suspensions or expulsions and must ensure that students have not been deprived of due process. Consequently, members of the Loudoun County School Board were not aware of the specific details of this incident until it was reported in media outlets earlier this week.

 

So, in sum, the school board was unable to even confirm that an assault had taken place, because Betsy De Vos's rules have created the change Republicans wanted. The School imposed the maximum penalty they were allowed to impose, and transferred the student so his first victim didn't have to see him daily. Cries of "cover up" are misleading and an attempt to misinform everyone, since the Title IX process limited their ability to characterize the complaint as a sexual assault.

So, @The Joker please stop trying to misinform us.

The police were called on the father because the school wanted to handle it internally.  If they notified the police why wasn’t the kid taken away by the police?  
 

That’s the CYA letter sent out by the district  lots of grey areas.  Like the board didn’t know the details.  Does not mean they did not know something happened in the school.  I’ve served on a school board it defies belief that they were completely oblivious when they made statement that their had never been a sexual assault in their bathroom.   Second it was the superintendent that made the initial claim that their were zero assaults at the board meeting in June.  Notice the CYA letter conveniently  leaves him out of the discussion.  There is no way the superintendent didn’t know each and every detail.  As he had to be involved in the transfer.  The implication Is kids can’t be suspended or expelled that’s complete crap.  In fact your bold portion states the board needs to be involved.  As to blaiming Betse Title  IX was put in place in 1972.  Nice try though 

Title IX is a federal civil rights law in the United States of America that was passed as part (Title IX) of the Education Amendments of 1972. It prohibits sex-based discrimination in any school or other education program that receives federal money.

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1 hour ago, Raz'r said:

Turns out that due to Betsy, the School Board could do neither. 

Thanks for finding yet-another-story that totally blows up in your face.

So Betsy was in charge back in 1972

Title IX is a federal civil rights law in the United States of America that was passed as part (Title IX) of the Education Amendments of 1972. It prohibits sex-based discrimination in any school or other education program that receives federal money. 

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1 hour ago, Raz'r said:

Yes, there are national agitators. Are you blind?

I bet you think the Tea Party was a grass roots spontaneous movement.

And yes, the Feds have gotten involved in MANY civil issues over the decades, when local police have not. That's the thing, when you're part of a federal system, the local police don't get to just ignore things they want to.

These are local school boards dealing with concerned local  parents.  For it to be driven nationally you must admit the policies being taught are being pushed under a national agenda

 


 

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1 hour ago, Raz'r said:

Another thing TFG has fucked up. Our kids are now at more risk than before, from repeat offenders. 

Donald Trump is the reason these boards are pushing teaching that a lot of people object too. Classic. 

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16 minutes ago, The Joker said:

Donald Trump is the reason these boards are pushing teaching that a lot of people object too. Classic. 

TFG is why folks are screaming at school boards, absolutely, and nice bury of the headline “Devos Policy let’s repeat rapist stay in school”

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14 minutes ago, Raz'r said:

TFG is why folks are screaming at school boards, absolutely, and nice bury of the headline “Devos Policy let’s repeat rapist stay in school”

Here is what Betsy actually changed. Much of it in response to schools expelling male students just on the word of an accuser. Think of the Duke Lacrosse hoax. 
Nothing I can find prohibits a school from taking disciplinary action only giving extra due process in the case of a sexual charge  

Philly spin. no actual quotes just innuendo and some swallow it. 


Education Secretary Betsy DeVos issued new guidelines Wednesday on how K-12 schools and universities should investigate and adjudicate cases of sexual assault and misconduct. The changes strengthen the rights of those accused of sexual assault, allowing them to see all evidence provided against them and to cross-examine their accusers. 

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39 minutes ago, The Joker said:

These are local school boards dealing with concerned local  parents.  For it to be driven nationally you must admit the policies being taught are being pushed under a national agenda
 

I thought we were talking about school rapists and how they are given inadequate punishments.

You and other so-called “conservatives” had a chance to impact your party’s influence on Title IX _changes_ when your representatives weakened laws passed by libbyruls under Obama.

Dojt go blaming Democrats for the impacts of Betsy and your pussy grabbing orangeman. This is their legacy.

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1 hour ago, The Joker said:

As to blaiming Betse Title  IX was put in place in 1972.  Nice try though 

Title IX is a federal civil rights law in the United States of America that was passed as part (Title IX) of the Education Amendments of 1972. It prohibits sex-based discrimination in any school or other education program that receives federal money.

from your own Brookings Institute quote above, "The short answer is that the law on which the federal government’s authority is based—Title IX of the Education Amendments of 1972—says nothing about sexual harassment. Indeed, the term did not come into common use until several years after Congress passed that little-noted amendment to an omnibus education bill."

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41 minutes ago, The Joker said:

Education Secretary Betsy DeVos issued new guidelines Wednesday on how K-12 schools and universities should investigate and adjudicate cases of sexual assault and misconduct. The changes strengthen the rights of those accused of sexual assault, allowing them to see all evidence provided against them and to cross-examine their accusers. 

As for this piece of hyperbole, you now see the actual impact of such rules. Because the school could not investigate a criminal matter until the police had concluded their investigation, and the grievance portion of Betsy's Title IX changes give rights to the accused to cross examine their accuser, and "Students and employees accused of misconduct must be presumed innocent until proven guilty. That means not only that schools bear the burden of proof in disciplinary hearings, but also that pre-hearing accommodations cannot place a heavier burden on the respondent than on the complainant."

It seems this father's concerns would have been better served by the previous administration's approach as detailed in your article, back in 2014...

"Underlying this effort was the contention that “one in five college women is sexually assaulted in college” as a consequence of campus culture. Assistant Secretary of Education for Civil Rights Russlynn Ali explained that OCR’s “new paradigm” for sexual harassment regulation was designed to “change the culture on the college campuses, and that is hugely important if we are to cure the epidemic of sexual violence.” As I explained in a previous Brookings brief and at greater length in my book, “The Transformation of Title IX,” this “new paradigm” replaced the courts’ focus on identifying and punishing the perpetrators of on-campus sexual misconduct with a much broader effort to change social attitudes and to mitigate the effects of sexual assault wherever it occurs.

The most controversial elements of OCR’s policy required schools to use the lenient “preponderance of the evidence” standard (“50% plus a feather”) in disciplinary hearings and discouraged live hearings and cross-examination. "

Under such circumstances, without need for in-person testimony and cross examination by plaintiffs, and only requiring a "preponderance of the evidence" indicating an assault had taken place, I'm sure the rapist in Loudon County would've been summarily expelled. 

As it is, Title IX changes prevent the school or the school board from even referring to the incident as a sexual assault until this process is complete. 

Thanks Betsy! And thank you, @The Joker for showing us once again how Republicans make changes whose impacts they then try to blame on libbyrul agendas. Such a bullshitter.

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13 hours ago, The Joker said:

They stated at a public hearing in June that there had never been any sexual assaults in their bathrooms.  The father of the 14 year old girl was told by a supporter of the bathroom policy that the assault never happened.

Was it reported to the school prior to this meeting?

Was it reported to the police prior to this meeting?

How much do you think a school can legally do with an assault accusation anyway?

This was/is a police matter, the school educates children.

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4 minutes ago, Ncik said:

Was it reported to the school prior to this meeting?

Was it reported to the police prior to this meeting?

How much do you think a school can legally do with an assault accusation anyway?

This was/is a police matter, the school educates children.

The school heard about the incident, and reported it to the police "within minutes" as required by law. The school was required by Title IX to consider the rights of the accused as well as the victim, but took steps to prevent further harm to the victim by transferring the accused rapist to another school. The school was limited in their ability to classify the incident as a sexual assault until an investigation was complete, and such an investigation requires a process which can only take place after the police have concluded their investigation...

Basically the school is stuck with defending the rights of accused rapists. And the father is being used by Reiich wingers to blame bathroom policies.

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4 minutes ago, Ncik said:

Was it reported to the school prior to this meeting?

yes read the multiple stories 

Was it reported to the police prior to this meeting?

yes again read the stories 

How much do you think a school can legally do with an assault accusation anyway?

sure as hell could have put him in remote learning 

This was/is a police matter, the school educates children.

bullshit schools are responsible for protecting their students  

 

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1 minute ago, phillysailor said:

The school heard about the incident, and reported it to the police "within minutes" as required by law. The school was required by Title IX to consider the rights of the accused as well as the victim, but took steps to prevent further harm to the victim by transferring the accused rapist to another school. The school was limited in their ability to classify the incident as a sexual assault until an investigation was complete, and such an investigation requires a process which can only take place after the police have concluded their investigation...  bullshit nothing says that 

Basically the school is stuck with defending the rights of accused rapists. And the father is being used by Reiich wingers to blame bathroom policies. 

You just are spinning it into something you want to believe.  There is nothing that prevents the school from taking steps to isolate the predator from other victims.  Kids are put in out of school suspension for a lot less than anal rape. 

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2 minutes ago, The Joker said:

bullshit schools are responsible for protecting their students  

...by involving the police, as appears to have happened.

Schools cannot arrest anyone.

Schools cannot bring criminal charges against anyone.

Sounds like the school did what they're supposed to do in such a situation.

Still don't know why this has anything to do with bathroom policies. Hell, the second alleged assault happened in a classroom.

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5 minutes ago, phillysailor said:

The school heard about the incident, and reported it to the police "within minutes" as required by law. The school was required by Title IX to consider the rights of the accused as well as the victim, but took steps to prevent further harm to the victim by transferring the accused rapist to another school. The school was limited in their ability to classify the incident as a sexual assault until an investigation was complete, and such an investigation requires a process which can only take place after the police have concluded their investigation...

Basically the school is stuck with defending the rights of accused rapists. And the father is being used by Reiich wingers to blame bathroom policies.

They notified the police.  But never called an ambulance for the victim. 
The dad took her to the hospital. 

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3 minutes ago, Ncik said:

Was it reported to the school prior to this meeting?

Was it reported to the police prior to this meeting?

How much do you think a school can legally do with an assault accusation anyway?

This was/is a police matter, the school educates children.

Sadly, not so much anymore.

 "Social media" and the internet in general now "educate" our children.

 It's kind of like having the candy store owner, the local drug dealer, and the pedophile neighbor of old, teaching your kids today.

Teachers have been largely demoted to the role of baby sitter, and as such, spend a large part of their day acting as a referee, and "child minder".

Teachers used to be educators, role models, heroes, and icons. Now, from what I hear from my neighborhood children, they are largely regarded as dimwitted authority figures who's only role is to get the kid out of class at the end of the day.

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1 minute ago, The Joker said:

There is nothing that prevents the school from taking steps to isolate the predator from other victims.

Did this not happen? That would certainly be a concern if it hadn't. But the fact the alleged perp was in another school sounds like he was moved, probably after some due-process.

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6 minutes ago, Ncik said:
9 minutes ago, The Joker said:

There is nothing that prevents the school from taking steps to isolate the predator from other victims.

Did this not happen? That would certainly be a concern if it hadn't. But the fact the alleged perp was in another school sounds like he was moved, probably after some due-process.

Consider that Shitstain's new laws about how schools have to treat accused rapists, it would seem likely that the school was constrained in what it could do.

But Joker and his elk still blame the dadgum libby-rulls

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12 minutes ago, Mrleft8 said:

Sadly, not so much anymore.

 "Social media" and the internet in general now "educate" our children.

 It's kind of like having the candy store owner, the local drug dealer, and the pedophile neighbor of old, teaching your kids today.

Teachers have been largely demoted to the role of baby sitter, and as such, spend a large part of their day acting as a referee, and "child minder".

Teachers used to be educators, role models, heroes, and icons. Now, from what I hear from my neighborhood children, they are largely regarded as dimwitted authority figures who's only role is to get the kid out of class at the end of the day.

Well the school is supposed to educate our kids, and certainly not go around arresting them.

We all feel for the victims and families though, the wheels of justice can turn slowly. I'm still surprised there aren't more convicted nincom-coup-ers.

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19 minutes ago, phillysailor said:

The school heard about the incident, and reported it to the police "within minutes" as required by law. The school was required by Title IX to consider the rights of the accused as well as the victim, but took steps to prevent further harm to the victim by transferring the accused rapist to another school. The school was limited in their ability to classify the incident as a sexual assault until an investigation was complete, and such an investigation requires a process which can only take place after the police have concluded their investigation...

Basically the school is stuck with defending the rights of accused rapists. And the father is being used by Reiich wingers to blame bathroom policies.

What better way to train future supreme court judges?

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Well the school is supposed to educate our kids, and certainly not go around arresting them.

So this is what "arrested development" means? Sounds like the perp should have been in a psych ward, not a school.

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4 minutes ago, The Joker said:

The school was limited in their ability to classify the incident as a sexual assault until an investigation was complete, and such an investigation requires a process which can only take place after the police have concluded their investigation...  bullshit nothing says that 

From the CBS article you referenced:

Once a matter has been reported to law enforcement, LCPS does not begin its investigation until law enforcement advises LCPS that it has completed the criminal investigation. To maintain the integrity of the criminal investigation, law enforcement requested that LCPS not interview students until their investigation is concluded. LCPS has cooperated and continues to cooperate with law enforcement.

 

How could the school confirm a sexual assault had taken place? They were unable to perform an investigation and were hampered by rules designed to protect the defendant.

If the school board stated that a sexual assault had taken place they would be giving official credence to the plaintiff's claim, which is specifically prohibited by Title IX changes. The rapist could then sue the board for damages, especially if the board did so in an official forum like a meeting open to the public.

Vote Republican to protect the good people on both sides of sexual assault, and blame Democrats for anything and everything that happens. 

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24 minutes ago, phillysailor said:

From the CBS article you referenced:

Once a matter has been reported to law enforcement, LCPS does not begin its investigation until law enforcement advises LCPS that it has completed the criminal investigation. To maintain the integrity of the criminal investigation, law enforcement requested that LCPS not interview students until their investigation is concluded. LCPS has cooperated and continues to cooperate with law enforcement.

 

How could the school confirm a sexual assault had taken place? They were unable to perform an investigation and were hampered by rules designed to protect the defendant.

If the school board stated that a sexual assault had taken place they would be giving official credence to the plaintiff's claim, which is specifically prohibited by Title IX changes. The rapist could then sue the board for damages, especially if the board did so in an official forum like a meeting open to the public.

Vote Republican to protect the good people on both sides of sexual assault, and blame Democrats for anything and everything that happens. 

Wrong again you are the only one making this a Dem  vs GOP story.  I’m making it about two young girls, their families and the school district. The school knew about it and they reported it to their safety officer which is not exactly the same as calling the police, but it gives them wiggle room that they technically notified the police.
The police flat out state they do not control discipline or where a student is placed.  That is left up to the school district. 
 As usual your hatred of republicans is revealed in how you are desperately trying to spin this.  
Let’s say I agree with you that the board needed to stay silent about specifics, but they took it a step further claiming at a hearing in front of the victims parents that there had never been an assault in any school bathroom.  They fucking flat out lied as there is zero chance the superintendent was not in the loop with the police investigation. 
Don’t look now but WAPO is on the oh shit what went down here.   
I’ll use your standard please produce a reputable source that blames what happened on Betsy Devos. 
Wapo

The sheriff’s office said that because both alleged assaults involve juvenile suspects, the office would not confirm that the same youth is charged in both.

In its statement, the office noted it “is not involved in school discipline (nor the placement of students).”

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1 hour ago, The Joker said:

They notified the police.  But never called an ambulance for the victim. 
The dad took her to the hospital. 

Dance, little buddy, dance. What other misdirection will you try next?

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3 minutes ago, Raz'r said:

Dance, little buddy, dance. What other misdirection will you try next?

I hope you don’t have a daughter.  Because having a father that thinks it’s no big deal to get anal raped because it reflects badly on his political beliefs is pretty sick. Dance little buddy indeed. 

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22 hours ago, d'ranger said:

The Trigger word for today is

Woke Shitlib defends raping a fourteen year old.

FIFY  :ph34r:

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16 minutes ago, The Joker said:

Wrong again you are the only one making this a Dem  vs GOP story.  I’m making it about two young girls, their families and the school district. The school knew about it and they reported it to their safety officer which is not exactly the same as calling the police, but it gives them wiggle room that they technically notified the police.
The police flat out state they do not control discipline or where a student is placed.  That is left up to the school district. 
 As usual your hatred of republicans is revealed in how you are desperately trying to spin this.  
Let’s say I agree with you that the board needed to stay silent about specifics, but they took it a step further claiming at a hearing in front of the victims parents that there had never been an assault in any school bathroom.  They fucking flat out lied as there is zero chance the superintendent was not in the loop with the police investigation. 
Don’t look now but WAPO is on the oh shit what went down here.   
I’ll use your standard please produce a reputable source that blames what happened on Betsy Devos. 
Wapo

The sheriff’s office said that because both alleged assaults involve juvenile suspects, the office would not confirm that the same youth is charged in both.

In its statement, the office noted it “is not involved in school discipline (nor the placement of students).”

So, Betsy really screwed the pooch is what you’re saying, by tying the hands of the schools. And YOU specifically stated it was political up thread. 
 

Sometimes I wonder if you’re a false flag plant, here to make Republicans look like stupid assholes, but no one could be that stupid on purpose.

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14 minutes ago, The Joker said:

Still waiting on CNN interesting that they were on top of the story when it looked bad for the parents and when the bathroom policy was passed, but two girls raped  as Raz’r would say meh 

 

Meeting June 22 CNN June 24

Policy passed 8/11.  Reported 8/12.

Kids get raped every day. Only when you think there is something political about it, do you post it here.

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Kids get raped every day. Only when you think there is something political about it, do you post it here.

Yes you are correct, kid got raped because of shitlib policy while the father was arrested for speaking out. But hey kids get raped everyday so obviously nothing to see here. :ph34r:

 

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So, @The Jokerstarts the thread with a reiich wing spin on an alleged rape case claiming that woke school officials were engaged in a coverup to protect transgendered bathroom policy.

And now he is complaining that discussing changes to Title IX limiting school officials’ ability to deal harshly within campus sexual harass and assault is too political.

7 hours ago, The Joker said:

Wrong again you are the only one making this a Dem  vs GOP story.  I’m making it about two young girls, their families and the school district.

Cant take the heat? Stay out of the kitchen. Acknowledging your hypocrisy is the first step, ma chérie.

Bet he deletes the thread before he apologizes. That’s the thing about Republicans… they won’t take ownership for their own goofs, they just blame Democrats for all problems and bemoan society’s lack of personal responsibility. 

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8 hours ago, The Joker said:

Wrong again you are the only one making this a Dem  vs GOP story. ...

Do you genuinely believe that anybody else is stupid enough to genuinely believe this? Your very first sentence was to place the blame on the school board, subtext a LIBERAL school board (one concerned about gender/bathroom issues).

You push DEMOCRAT=BAD

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"There is nothing that prevents the school from taking steps to isolate the predator from other victims. "

In real life, there is.  The laws preventing schools from isolating spec ed students without due process, justifiably in light of decades of past abuses, are quite restrictive and make suing the district easy for parents as well as punishing for the district.  IF the attacker was spec ed, and the district would be prevented from revealing this, then the mandate of 'least restrictive" placement of the accused would be in effect.  I sat in on meetings one time where everyone in the room EXCEPT the student's mother agreed the student was too violent to be in public school but, due to the spec ed laws, we had to enroll him although he had bitten his mother's cheek off the day before.  The district had to hire a minder to watch only that kid due to his past history and his habit of stripping to run down the halls yelling.  He lasted 3 weeks before picking up his minder and dropping him on a water fountain resulting in back injuries that put him out of work. 

Sounds like the school was put in an impossible place, can't investigate due to the police investigation, can't remove the kid from the district IF he was spec ed (that he was still there points to that case), can't talk to the public due to privacy restrictions...  It appears that the line between coverup and restriction is pretty fuzzy with the district erring on the side of not talking. 

Another anomaly that looks odd is that, although the accuse went to the hospital and presumably a rape kit was used, the PD waited so long to act.  If the accusation was credible and the physical evidence present, IDEA (spec ed law) would not have protected the accused. The delay seems odd.

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2 hours ago, phillysailor said:

So, @The Jokerstarts the thread with a reiich wing spin on an alleged rape case claiming that woke school officials were engaged in a coverup to protect transgendered bathroom policy.

And now he is complaining that discussing changes to Title IX limiting school officials’ ability to deal harshly within campus sexual harass and assault is too political.

Cant take the heat? Stay out of the kitchen. Acknowledging your hypocrisy is the first step, ma chérie.

Bet he deletes the thread before he apologizes. That’s the thing about Republicans… they won’t take ownership for their own goofs, they just blame Democrats for all problems and bemoan society’s lack of personal responsibility. 

Fuck you I've never deleted a thread or a post for that matter.  You have a vivid imagination.  This thread was not started as a spin on an alleged rape case.  It was about the cover up. The rape happened in May.  The investigation took a few weeks. The Boy was arrested, charged and has a court date this month.  
The superintendent and the board did cover up what happened by telling parents in June that there had NEVER been any sexual assault in Any school bathroom.   

First You claimed Betsy created. Title IX.   Turns out that was wrong 

Then you twisted to she made changes to it.  
 

I posted the changes nothing stops the school from disciplining a student.   The sheriff stated that they have no say in what the school does.   The kid got let out of Juvi  detention over the summer.  Then the superintendent rather than keeping the kid out of school moved him to a different school and he assaulted a second girl.   

MY OP is factual and the truth is coming out.  Why the Fuck do I need to apologize.  What proof have you offered that it was not a cover up.  
You are a poor excuse of a human down playing the sexual assaults of two young girls to continue your vendetta against Republicans. 
 

My posts on the story has very little to do with Dems vs Rep it’s parents against the school district.  

seems like the media has it down correctly Plenty of others have the same story   Perhaps you could provide some cites for the word salad claims you keep making   Or get the fuck out of the kitchen. 

Newsweek
Several parents have demanded that Loudoun County school board's superintendent resign over allegations that the school district covered up two sexual assaults alleged to have occurred on school grounds.

FOX

ASHBURN, Va. – More than 60 concerned parents, students and residents spoke at the Loudoun County School Board meeting Tuesday evening, with many demanding the resignation of Loudoun County Superintendent Scott Ziegler in the wake of allegations that the school district covered up two alleged sexual assaults.

Parents attended the school board meeting with signs urging Ziegler to resign.

 

 

 

 

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1 hour ago, The Joker said:

Fuck you I've never deleted a thread or a post for that matter.  You have a vivid imagination.  This thread was not started as a spin on an alleged rape case.  It was about the cover up. The rape happened in May.  The investigation took a few weeks. The Boy was arrested, charged and has a court date this month.  
The superintendent and the board did cover up what happened by telling parents in June that there had NEVER been any sexual assault in Any school bathroom.   

First You claimed Betsy created. Title IX.   Turns out that was wrong 

Then you twisted to she made changes to it.  
 

I posted the changes nothing stops the school from disciplining a student.   The sheriff stated that they have no say in what the school does.   The kid got let out of Juvi  detention over the summer.  Then the superintendent rather than keeping the kid out of school moved him to a different school and he assaulted a second girl.   

MY OP is factual and the truth is coming out.  Why the Fuck do I need to apologize.  What proof have you offered that it was not a cover up.  
You are a poor excuse of a human down playing the sexual assaults of two young girls to continue your vendetta against Republicans. 
 

My posts on the story has very little to do with Dems vs Rep it’s parents against the school district.  

seems like the media has it down correctly Plenty of others have the same story   Perhaps you could provide some cites for the word salad claims you keep making   Or get the fuck out of the kitchen. 

Newsweek
Several parents have demanded that Loudoun County school board's superintendent resign over allegations that the school district covered up two sexual assaults alleged to have occurred on school grounds.

FOX

ASHBURN, Va. – More than 60 concerned parents, students and residents spoke at the Loudoun County School Board meeting Tuesday evening, with many demanding the resignation of Loudoun County Superintendent Scott Ziegler in the wake of allegations that the school district covered up two alleged sexual assaults.

Parents attended the school board meeting with signs urging Ziegler to resign.

 

 

 

 

With the ignorant reporting and incendiary bullshit you've posted here, of course people are going to protest the school administrators.

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9 minutes ago, Ease the sheet. said:

With the ignorant reporting and incendiary bullshit you've posted here, of course people are going to protest the school administrators.

It’s only Ignorant reporting because you don’t like the message.  Oh well you are not alone on this site.  
and you have that exactly backwards.  The stories are because the parents are outraged over the cover up.  I agree it is incendiary to read what happened to that 14 year old girl.  Most would incensed  that a teen girl was anal raped in her school bathroom and then the added anger that her school covered it up which allowed the perpetrator to do it again.

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6 minutes ago, The Joker said:

It’s only Ignorant reporting because you don’t like the message.  Oh well you are not alone on this site.  
and you have that exactly backwards.  The stories are because the parents are outraged over the cover up.  I agree it is incendiary to read what happened to that 14 year old girl.  Most would incensed  that a teen girl was anal raped in her school bathroom and then the added anger that her school covered it up which allowed the perpetrator to do it again.

The coverup is indeed a big issue.

So is the lack of police action.

And who the fuck sends their son to school in a skirt?

 

There's a lot more to this story than even your pea brain could hope for.

I'll be waiting for the final report!

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10 minutes ago, The Joker said:

It’s only Ignorant reporting because you don’t like the message.  Oh well you are not alone on this site.  
and you have that exactly backwards.  The stories are because the parents are outraged over the cover up.  I agree it is incendiary to read what happened to that 14 year old girl.  Most would incensed  that a teen girl was anal raped in her school bathroom and then the added anger that her school covered it up which allowed the perpetrator to do it again.

Which is all bullshit. Why are you making shit up? Oh yeah, to defend Betsy

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30 minutes ago, Raz'r said:

Which is all bullshit. Why are you making shit up? Oh yeah, to defend Betsy

Everything I've posted is backed up by cites,  running around in circles screaming you are making shit up is not a constructive argument.  Love the dog Whistle of Betsie   Please provide an a credited cite that shows the actions Betsy instituted that required the school board to cover up the rape.   Still waiting on Philly to provide a single cite  maybe you can do better.  

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47 minutes ago, Ease the sheet. said:

The coverup is indeed a big issue. We Agree

So is the lack of police action.  Plenty of police action the case was opened as soon as the dad reported it providing a positive hospital rape kit. Then an investigated arrests and charges, court date is this month.  Second arrest for second assault. 

And who the fuck sends their son to school in a skirt?

Not anything wrong with that.  Why do you think it is?

There's a lot more to this story than even your pea brain could hope for. Probably and it will reflect even worse on the school district

I'll be waiting for the final report!  Unless that report is buried

Clearly you have made zero effort to read the cites provided or even do your own research  It's so much easier to throw insults.  Well you are proof that ignorance can be cured, but stupidity is forever.

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6 minutes ago, The Joker said:

Everything I've posted is backed up by cites,  running around in circles screaming you are making shit up is not a constructive argument.  Love the dog Whistle of Betsie   Please provide an a credited cite that shows the actions Betsy instituted that required the school board to cover up the rape.   Still waiting on Philly to provide a single cite  maybe you can do better.  

Philly posted the rules. Sorry it's above your reading level...

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In case some of you cannot figure it out, the fact is that cover-ups by school districts happen all the time, 

but hardly any make national news. 

@The Joker posted that "cite" for one reason only - because it reflected badly on MAY HAVE BEEN a trans person, and it happened in a bathroom. 

Turning people against each other for political gain 

What slime the R-word's are 

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1 hour ago, The Joker said:

It’s only Ignorant reporting because you don’t like the message. ..

No

You constantly push the snowflake-victim message, poor you assaulted and belittled at every turn by those darn meanie libby-rulls. But you post a constant stream of lies and heavily distorted... not slanted, not biased, outright fuckin' bullshit... that is a spew of hatred towards Democrats, gays, liberals, progressives, and anybody who doesn't also hate them beyond rationality.

Consider this: If you didn't fucking lie so much, people wouldn't think you're a liar. Like Trump.

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2 hours ago, Raz'r said:

Philly posted the rules. Sorry it's above your reading level...

He posted a letter from the school district which I provided in MY CITE  Do you really think they would say gee we fucked up which led to another young girl being assaulted? 

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1 hour ago, AJ Oliver said:

In case some of you cannot figure it out, the fact is that cover-ups by school districts happen all the time, 

but hardly any make national news. 

@The Joker posted that "cite" for one reason only - because it reflected badly on MAY HAVE BEEN a trans person, and it happened in a bathroom. 

Turning people against each other for political gain 

What slime the R-word's are 

I normally ignore you but you are a Liar I’ve never made it about the gender or bathroom only showed why it was the motive for the school board lying to the public.
It reflects badly on the school district.  
 

You and others are soooo concerned that it makes your party look bad that you are trying to create an issue that I never cared about    In fact I’ve posted the opposite  

I condemn  the rapist regardless of gender.  
 

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8 minutes ago, The Joker said:

He posted a letter from the school district which I provided in MY CITE  Do you really think they would say gee we fucked up which led to another young girl being assaulted? 

Their hands were tied. The cops had it and the school is forced to "assume innocent."  It was political, cause too many boys were being nailed for sex assault. Maybe we should change Betsy's rules?

Come on now, what do you think? Was it a bad rule? Should we change it?

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25 minutes ago, Raz'r said:

Their hands were tied. The cops had it and the school is forced to "assume innocent."  It was political, cause too many boys were being nailed for sex assault. Maybe we should change Betsy's rules?

Come on now, what do you think? Was it a bad rule? Should we change it?

No the school does not have to assume innocence that was Philly’s spin I posted the actual charges.  The old rule allowed expulsion on an anonymous claim.   Now the school has to give the accused access to the charges.   The police are on record that they play no part in Discipline.  Put the first rape aside Why did they put him into a second school?  Why not an in-home suspension with remote learning?  That system is certainly in place.  Schools have had kids arrested and suspended for not wearing a mask, but anal rape is not enough of a concern. 

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11 minutes ago, The Joker said:

No the school does not have to assume innocence that was Philly’s spin I posted the actual charges.  The old rule allowed expulsion on an anonymous claim.   Now the school has to give the accused access to the charges.   The police are on record that they play no part in Discipline.  Put the first rape aside Why did they put him into a second school?  Why not an in-home suspension with remote learning?  That system is certainly in place.  Schools have had kids arrested and suspended for not wearing a mask, but anal rape is not enough of a concern. 

I get the sense you’d be less outraged if this was vaginal rape.  Jeffreaux has a similar problem.

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3 minutes ago, Fakenews said:

I get the sense you’d be less outraged if this was vaginal rape.  Jeffreaux has a similar problem.


The goalposts will keep moving so the outrage level stays high.

Ignore is your friend.

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45 minutes ago, The Joker said:

I normally ignore you but you are a Liar

Yeah, thanks for doing that . .  

But you still have not answered why THAT PARTICULAR instance of school misfeasance was worth posting . . 

????????????????????????   

And how do you know what the motive was ??  Answer: You don't 

48 minutes ago, The Joker said:

the gender or bathroom only showed why it was the motive for the school board lying

 

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1 hour ago, The Joker said:

No the school does not have to assume innocence that was Philly’s spin I posted the actual charges.  The old rule allowed expulsion on an anonymous claim.   Now the school has to give the accused access to the charges.   The police are on record that they play no part in Discipline.  Put the first rape aside Why did they put him into a second school?  Why not an in-home suspension with remote learning?  That system is certainly in place.  Schools have had kids arrested and suspended for not wearing a mask, but anal rape is not enough of a concern. 

Why do you keep bringing up the police? Of course the police don’t own school discipline. The school can’t discipline until the police finish their investigation. Call it the Betsy Rule. Do you want to change it yet?

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3 minutes ago, Raz'r said:

Why do you keep bringing up the police? Of course the police don’t own school discipline. The school can’t discipline until the police finish their investigation. Call it the Betsy Rule. Do you want to change it yet?

Bullshit.  Just because a poster made that claim there has yet to be an actual cite.  So again Show that rule in a CITE. 
Because schools suspend and expel kids all the time regardless of what the police are investigating. 

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Ok I just read the title IX guidelines FOR High schools and it actually is exactly opposite  from the BULLSHIT Philly was spinning.  It is all about protecting the victim. He was looking at the college guidelines.  What a bunch of sheep  

High schools and Title IX

  • Schools must respond when harassment occurs “in the school’s education or activity programs,” which would include athletic programs. Once a district’s response obligations are triggered, the Title IX coordinator must promptly contact the complainant to discuss supportive measures, consider the complainant’s wishes regarding supportive measures, and explain the process for filing a formal complaint.
  • The new regulations expressly recognize the legal rights of parents and guardians to act on behalf of students in Title IX matters. Parents or guardians of K-12 students are permitted to file complaints on their behalf and require parental notification of complaints against their children. Ultimately, the parents or guardians of students may make decisions regarding appropriate supportive measures or whether to file or withdraw a formal complaint.
  • School districts are required to offer and provide “supportive measures” to students, with or without a formal complaint. Supportive measures may include counseling, contact restrictions and modifications of class schedules to name a few. Additionally, districts must follow a grievance process before imposing any discipline or non-supportive measures against the respondent.

School district administrators and leaders should consider the following steps as an outline of some things that need to be done in order to meet the requirements of the new Title IX regulations

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3 minutes ago, The Joker said:

Ok I just read the title IX guidelines for High schools and it actually is exactly opposite  from the BULLSHIT Philly was spinning.  What a bunch of sheep  

High schools and Title IX

Your own damn cite, jesus, learn to read man. 

 

Additionally, districts must follow a grievance process before imposing any discipline or non-supportive measures against the respondent.

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On 10/13/2021 at 2:52 PM, phillysailor said:

Note, there has been a long history of rape culture being denied and minimized on campus, and who can forget Betty De Vos' efforts to reverse the impact Obama-era rules had on schools reporting on-campus sexual violence?

"When Ms. DeVos announced in 2017 that she was rescinding the Obama-era guidance, she said she would give schools, from kindergarten to college, regulations with the force of law that balanced those rights. Her final rules, which she called a “historic” break from the “kangaroo courts” of the past, take effect Aug. 14.

This is my first post in this thread, and I was talking about rule “changes” which give more protections for defendants in these cases, complete with quotes and citations. 

And still, @The Jokeris accusing me of no cites, and claiming BdVos created Title IX, when my next post clearly says “changes” to Title IX which reversed Obama era changes.

My point was, and remains, that Republicans have given defendants greater rights and have hampered schools’ ability to take punitive actions against suspected rapists, and they are attempting to deflect blame when their mistakes impact their own people.

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Your own damn cite, jesus, learn to read man. 

 

Additionally, districts must follow a grievance process before imposing any discipline or non-supportive measures against the respondent.

Correct nothing fucking prevented them from applying discipline. Just that they needed to follow the process.  That they create.  Nothing to do with the police 

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21 hours ago, phillysailor said:

Turns out, there was an immediate referral of the incident to the police by the school principal, and that the police investigation immediately curtailed the ability of the school to conduct any investigation of its own. Furthermore, Title IX changes instituted by the Trump Administration MUST BE FOLLOWED in all investigations, and this includes a grievance process which greatly empowers the accused aggressor to resist and defend against he-said/she-said type complaints.

 

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4 minutes ago, phillysailor said:

This is my first post in this thread, and I was talking about rule “changes” which give more protections for defendants in these cases, complete with quotes and citations. 

And still, @The Jokeris accusing me of no cites, and claiming BdVos created Title IX, when my next post clearly says “changes” to Title IX which reversed Obama era changes.

My point was, and remains, that Republicans have given defendants greater rights and have hampered schools’ ability to take punitive actions against suspected rapists, and they are attempting to deflect blame when their mistakes impact their own people.

This girl was not in college.   Title IX has different rules when dealing with minors in high School.  

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Not arguing.  Do you know who creates the grievance process.  Here is a hint the school district.  Nothing repeat nothing has anything to do with the police investigation.  Their hands were not tied as you claim. 

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This girl was not in college.   Title IX has different rules when dealing with minors in high School. 

Yes, and still there is a process which allows each student to receive the other student’s statement and request specific quest results answered, a cross-examination by mail, as it were.

Until the police allow the school to allow this process to occur, the school is unable to pass judgement on the incident: it’s alleged this and “innocent until proven guilty” that.

Under Obama-era rules, just a preponderance, “50% plus a feather” from your Brookings article, would’ve sufficed to allow the school to expel.

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Not arguing.  Do you know who creates the grievance process.  Here is a hint the school district.  Nothing repeat nothing has anything to do with the police investigation.  Their hands were not tied as you claim. 

Their options are limited by Title IX . I guess you didn’t read your own citation. Why did you bother referencing it?

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1 minute ago, The Joker said:

Correct nothing fucking prevented them from applying discipline. Just that they needed to follow the process.  That they create.  Nothing to do with the police 

They did! They have to assume innocence until the police complete their investigation(that's their fucking process!)! Jesus man, move on. You're embarrassing.  They literally could not do anything to the alleged perpetrator than they did to the complainant. So, I suppose they could have expelled him, but then they would have had to expell her, as well.  Still liking the Betsy rule?

 

Here's more for your reading pleasure:

 Students and employees accused of misconduct must be presumed innocent until proven guilty. That means not only that schools bear the burden of proof in disciplinary hearings, but also that pre-hearing accommodations cannot place a heavier burden on the respondent than on the complainant.

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2 minutes ago, phillysailor said:

Their options are limited by Title IX . I guess you didn’t read your own citation. Why did you bother referencing it?

The boy has a reading comprehension problem. 

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1 minute ago, phillysailor said:

Yes, and still there is a process which allows each student to receive the other student’s statement and request specific quest results answered, a cross-examination by mail, as it were.

Until the police allow the school to allow this process to occur, the school is unable to pass judgement on the incident: it’s alleged this and “innocent until proven guilty” that.

Under Obama-era rules, just a preponderance, “50% plus a feather” from your Brookings article, would’ve sufficed to allow the school to expel.

The kid had already been arrested and charged.  High schools do not operate under innocent until proven guilty.  They do not hold trials when applying discipline.  They can suspend pretty much on a whim.  When they decided to put him in a different school they had more than enough to suspend him.  The whole changes to Title IX is a red herring.  

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4 minutes ago, phillysailor said:

Their options are limited by Title IX . I guess you didn’t read your own citation. Why did you bother referencing it?

Show the part. 

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1 minute ago, The Joker said:

The kid had already been arrested and charged.  High schools do not operate under innocent until proven guilty.  They do not hold trials when applying discipline.  They can suspend pretty much on a whim.  When they decided to put him in a different school they had more than enough to suspend him.  The whole changes to Title IX is a red herring.  

You, sir, are incorrect. Title IX ties their hands for sex charges.

Spitting in the lunchline? Not so much.

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2 minutes ago, The Joker said:

The kid had already been arrested and charged.  High schools do not operate under innocent until proven guilty.  They do not hold trials when applying discipline.  They can suspend pretty much on a whim.  When they decided to put him in a different school they had more than enough to suspend him.  The whole changes to Title IX is a red herring.  

innocent until proven guilty. Forget that part?   Charged is not guilt.

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7 minutes ago, phillysailor said:

Yes, and still there is a process which allows each student to receive the other student’s statement and request specific quest results answered, a cross-examination by mail, as it were.

Until the police allow the school to allow this process to occur, the school is unable to pass judgement on the incident: it’s alleged this and “innocent until proven guilty” that.

Under Obama-era rules, just a preponderance, “50% plus a feather” from your Brookings article, would’ve sufficed to allow the school to expel.

Provide the cite from the law for the bolded 

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6 minutes ago, Raz'r said:

They did! They have to assume innocence until the police complete their investigation(that's their fucking process!)! Jesus man, move on. You're embarrassing.  They literally could not do anything to the alleged perpetrator than they did to the complainant. So, I suppose they could have expelled him, but then they would have had to expell her, as well.  Still liking the Betsy rule?

 

Here's more for your reading pleasure:

 Students and employees accused of misconduct must be presumed innocent until proven guilty. That means not only that schools bear the burden of proof in disciplinary hearings, but also that pre-hearing accommodations cannot place a heavier burden on the respondent than on the complainant.

Reading pleasure includes a cite Show the cite from the actual high school guidelines that states the above 

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3 minutes ago, Raz'r said:

You, sir, are incorrect. Title IX ties their hands for sex charges.

Spitting in the lunchline? Not so much.

No it fucking doesn’t. It simply requires a grievance policy be followed. 

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