Cancel Culture, I feel bad for young kids these days.

[Burning Man 1,727]

43 minutes ago, justsomeguy! said:

I understand your rationale, but it's implementation would be undemocratic.

All citizens of legal age, in good legal standing should have the right to express themselves at the polls.

Even uneducated and/or brainwashed morons.

Yes, things may have turned out differently, but we'll never know for certain just how different.

But yet I'm betting that you do not believe that "All citizens of legal age, in good legal standing should have the right to keep and bear arms IAW the constitution".  Ammirite?

[Raz'r 5,194]

14 minutes ago, Burning Man said:

But yet I'm betting that you do not believe that "All citizens of legal age, in good legal standing should have the right to keep and bear arms IAW the constitution".  Ammirite?

but, they do.  Not sure why you think that's a gotcha.

[Burning Man 1,727]

39 minutes ago, Ishmael said:

I think the path to better government is to make it easier for everyone to vote. The reason many of these shitbags get into power is because the vote is restricted to fans of shitbags and mental midgets who are easily swayed by bullshit.

I don't completely disagree.  But I don't think the right to vote is as restricted to just right leaning morons.  There are plenty of uneducated and poorly informed folks on the left in the inner cities who vote based on what the party tells them them to.  Not all, but a pretty significant chunk of that demographic is as clueless to the issues and policies of the day and probably couldn't name a politician to save their lives unless it had a D behind their name.  I'm not even saying it's all their fault, it is just the way it is.  They are swayed by banner slogans such as "Defund the Po-LEECE" just as much as the rural folk are swayed by "MAGA".  It's just different sides of the same coin.  It's always been that way.  What's different now is that at least for the moment, unlike the R's, the D's don't seem to have some evil agenda of power and talibanization that has come about in the Grand Ol Party in recent decades.  I think the D's mean well, despite being often completely inept at getting legislation passed by their herd of cats.  But I think the R's have truly morphed into an org that has hidden and nefarious agendas and have become as skilled as the Nazi party once was to get people to go along with them.  If the Dem's could get their shit together and had a similar hidden agenda -it would not be all that hard to get their base on board to follow in lock step like the R's seem able to do.  I think the D's demographic is just as easily pliable and malleable as the current R base is.  But fortunately, in this specific context - the D's are so disjointed - they couldn't get laid in a whorehouse on 2 for 1 night. 

If the D's had any fucking sense, they would have already passed both of the infrastructure bills while they fleetingly have a majority.  Every day that goes by sees the chances of those bills passing dying an ugly death.  But I digress..... as that's an issue for another thread.  

[justsomeguy! 1,032]

4 minutes ago, Burning Man said:

But yet I'm betting that you do not believe that "All citizens of legal age, in good legal standing should have the right to keep and bear arms IAW the constitution".  Ammirite?

A false equivalency.

I certainly treat everyone as if they're strapped. 

 

 

[Burning Man 1,727]

27 minutes ago, AJ Oliver said:

R-word-ista

You just can't help yourself, can you OTP?

[learningJ24 532]

1 hour ago, Burning Man said:

I see where you're going with this and I don't completely disagree that the Far right fundie jesus people are increasingly becoming talibanized.  But I don't think they are the existential threat you make them out to be.  For one, they are well in the minority of the US population and are the minority of even christendom in the US.  The only reason the talibs are able to flourish despite being an incredible minority in their own country is because there is nothing to oppose them given a weak central gov't and a society that has never ever been a single country.  I believe a LOT of dominos would have to fall precisely in the right order for us to go down that path.  I'm not ruling it out, but it's unlikely.  Now that doesn't mean we should be complacent and not vigilant to the threat.  But I don't think that's going to happen.

Although..... as I type this and reflect back on our current trajectory..... I see a lot of those dominos falling.  States like TX imposing their will on the majority, further fracturing of our society, no sense of working towards the common good, the rejection of science and reason.  Hmmmm, I may have to rethink this whole thing......

From what I've been reading, I think you're seriously underestimating the threat.  Just because a RW Evangelical doesn't live in Elohim City, doesn't mean they're not a violent threat.  My seat of pants estimation would be about 20-25% of the population is predispositioned and are susceptible to radicalization.  It would be interesting to see a religious breakdown of the insurrectionists but my guess would be that the vast majority of them fall on the right hand side of the Christian Nationalist scale.  If you had gone to the article and looked at the statements and questions the R's where presenting to Ms Fulton, the extremism looks pretty evident. 

If Kevin Phillips, The Cousin's War, is right in his thesis that the English Civil War, American Revolution and American Civil War were fundamentally religious conflicts then this "Rise of the Confederacy" movement in politics presages more radicalization and violence (we're already seeing some increases in right wing attacks). 

You might take a look at 

Taking America Back for God , Perry and Whitehead

White too Long, Robert P. Jones

Taking a look at PRRI.org would help as well as it's a polling and research site. 

[Burning Man 1,727]

2 minutes ago, justsomeguy! said:

A false equivalency.

I certainly treat everyone as if they're strapped. 

 

 

Why is it a false equivalency?  

[Raz'r 5,194]

Just now, Burning Man said:

Why is it a false equivalency?  

It's not. Everyone(qualified) CAN buy a gun. Everyone(qualified) CAN vote.

both have some hurdles.

 

[learningJ24 532]

21 minutes ago, Burning Man said:

But yet I'm betting that you do not believe that "All citizens of legal age, in good legal standing should have the right to keep and bear arms IAW the constitution".  Ammirite?

Convicted felons?  That law is an artifact of Jim Crow. 

Also, like speech, it is not an unlimited right. 

[justsomeguy! 1,032]

6 minutes ago, Burning Man said:

Why is it a false equivalency?  

Your own words;

"...the voting booth doesn't go bang and kill a poll worker when you pull that lever." 

[Burning Man 1,727]

2 hours ago, justsomeguy! said:

2 hours ago, Burning Man said:

Why is it a false equivalency?  

Your own words;

"...the voting booth doesn't go bang and kill a poll worker when you pull that lever." 

OFFS, never mind.

 

[SloopJonB 12,608]

3 hours ago, Ishmael said:

I think the path to better government is to make it easier for everyone to vote. The reason many of these shitbags get into power is because the vote is restricted to fans of shitbags and mental midgets who are easily swayed by bullshit.

You're probably right but after watching America for the past 5 years I have to say I'm getting more and more sympathetic to the Idea of IQ testing voters.

I mean seriously - should this cretin be allowed to vote?

 

[roundthebuoys 1,004]

3 hours ago, Burning Man said:

But yet I'm betting that you do not believe that "All citizens of legal age, in good legal standing should have the right to keep and bear arms IAW the constitution".  Ammirite?

As long as they are confirmed members of a well regulated militia.

[Burning Man 1,727]

5 hours ago, roundthebuoys said:

As long as they are confirmed members of a well regulated militia.

That's easy.  THE PEOPLE are all confirmed members of a well regulated militia.  I presume you are one of THE PEOPLE too, right?

[roundthebuoys 1,004]

1 minute ago, Burning Man said:

That's easy.  THE PEOPLE are all confirmed members of a well regulated militia.  I presume you are one of THE PEOPLE too, right?

I never got a membership card or any gun training but sure.

[Burning Man 1,727]

10 minutes ago, roundthebuoys said:

I never got a membership card or any gun training but sure.

SS card.  What else ya need??

[Raz'r 5,194]

1 hour ago, Burning Man said:

SS card.  What else ya need??

Where’s my militia issued weapon?

[AJ Oliver 1,926]

10 hours ago, Burning Man said:

You just can't help yourself, can you OTP?

that is such crap . .  

I might as well accuse you of having two tricks - your admitted racism and your gunz nuttery 

What do those sorts of stupid accusations accomplish ??  Nada !! 

Try to engage with the concepts . .  . 

(I do respect you for promising to work on the racism thingy.) 

[Raz'r 5,194]

38 minutes ago, AJ Oliver said:

that is such crap . .  

I might as well accuse you of having two tricks - your admitted racism and your gunz nuttery 

What do those sorts of stupid accusations accomplish ??  Nada !! 

Try to engage with the concepts . .  . 

(I do respect you for promising to work on the racism thingy.) 

He has rape fantasies too.

[ShortForBob 2,956]

Right wing? Left Wing? Centerists? Conservative? Reactionary? Liberal?

this is a building with a wide body, a fat centre and two wings at the ends, one on the left, one on the right.

Think about it.

Neither conservatives or liberals are right or left wing.

 

[Ishmael 10,625]

That made no sense to me at all.

[Burning Man 1,727]

11 minutes ago, ShortForBob said:

this is a building with a wide body, a fat centre and two wings at the ends, one on the left, one on the right.

Are we talking politics or your body image?  

[Gouvernail 3,942]

1 hour ago, Burning Man said:

Are we talking politics or your body image?  

Huh?? What’s this “we” shit??  In now way have your posts in this thread  contributed a scintilla to an adult discussion. 

[00seven 428]

1 hour ago, Gouvernail said:

Huh?? What’s this “we” shit??  In now way have your posts in this thread  contributed a scintilla to an adult discussion. 

You idiot. STFU for Christ's sake. You're a troll, get the fuck out.

[Pertinacious Tom 1,930]

12 hours ago, roundthebuoys said:

As long as they are confirmed members of a well regulated militia.

I want to see the confirmation for Jack Miller, Dick Heller, and Otis McDonald.

Or see you admit you made that up and it's complete bullshit, either way.

[Pertinacious Tom 1,930]

4 hours ago, Raz'r said:

Where’s my militia issued weapon?

Read Miller. You're supposed to appear bearing arms supplied by YOURSELF.

Oddly, the colonists didn't depend on the British government to hold their guns. There was actually a big fight about this at Lexington and Concord.

[Pertinacious Tom 1,930]

15 hours ago, Raz'r said:

It's not. Everyone(qualified) CAN buy a gun. Everyone(qualified) CAN vote.

both have some hurdles.

 

One hurdle: whether the local sheriff thinks you're a fit person to own a gun.

Maybe we should have sheriffs decide if people can vote too? It's not like there's any problem with racist cops in this country.

The Socialist Rifle Association saw the problem with this...

Do you?

[ShortForBob 2,956]

6 hours ago, Ishmael said:

That made no sense to me at all.

Hmmm. Yes. I can see how it might be a tad abstruse

[loneshark64 1,188]

17 hours ago, SloopJonB said:

You're probably right but after watching America for the past 5 years I have to say I'm getting more and more sympathetic to the Idea of IQ testing voters.

I mean seriously - should this cretin be allowed to vote?

 

Unsolvable.

In every population (left wingers, right wingers, atheists, evangelicals etc) 50% of the people are below the median on intelligence. Pick any measure you want (IQ, SAT, peg board puzzle at Cracker Barrel…) and 50% of the population will be below the median, by definition.

And… IMHO the next 20% above that also don’t seem that bright. I am not in the top cohort intelligence-wise, I have worked with people who are and I know the difference. But I’m not in the bottom 70%.

The upshot is 70% of the population at large is too dumb to understand WTF the deal is, and so they are easily manipulated. 100 years ago a large portion of the 70% were probably smart enough. But now the world is technical and the tools of propaganda and mind control are too good.

Democracy has relied on the wisdom of the common man. Which, I think, is dead.

[justsomeguy! 1,032]

1 hour ago, ShortForBob said:

abstruse

Hey, that's literally a portmanteau.

[learningJ24 532]

4 minutes ago, loneshark64 said:

Unsolvable.

In every population (left wingers, right wingers, atheists, evangelicals etc) 50% of the people are below the median on intelligence. Pick any measure you want (IQ, SAT, peg board puzzle at Cracker Barrel…) and 50% of the population will be below the median, by definition.

And… IMHO the next 20% above that also don’t seem that bright. I am not in the top cohort intelligence-wise, I have worked with people who are and I know the difference. But I’m not in the bottom 70%.

The upshot is it seems to me that 70% of the population at large is too dumb to really understand WTF the deal is, and so they are easily manipulated. 100 years ago a large portion of the 70% were probably smart enough. But now the world is technical and the tools of propaganda and mind control are too good.

Democracy has relied on the wisdom of the common man. Which, I think, is dead.

I think it's a lot like the "wisdom" of the market, it depends on the numbers.  The issue, in my opinion, is that through the 438 cap, gerrymandering and various schemes to reduce or skew voter turnout, the system isn't working.  If, for example, the House membership was doubled the Electoral College would move closer to reflecting the will of the majority of voters or 100% opt out mail in voting in which the extremists will be offset by increased numbers of middlin' folks.  Not to mention public funding of campaigns in order to cancel the influence of dark money.

The average person just wants to be secure in their job and home, feed the kids and relax on the weekends; it's only us politicoholics that are so deeply immersed.  As an econ prof of my said one time when a bunch of us teachers were bemoaning "kids these days", "We're the weird ones. Most kids want to go to football games, party on the weekends and get laid while WE were the ones that were reading the text and other sources.  THEY are the normal ones.".

[loneshark64 1,188]

9 minutes ago, learningJ24 said:

I think it's a lot like the "wisdom" of the market, it depends on the numbers.  The issue, in my opinion, is that through the 438 cap, gerrymandering and various schemes to reduce or skew voter turnout, the system isn't working.  If, for example, the House membership was doubled the Electoral College would move closer to reflecting the will of the majority of voters or 100% opt out mail in voting in which the extremists will be offset by increased numbers of middlin' folks.  Not to mention public funding of campaigns in order to cancel the influence of dark money.

The average person just wants to be secure in their job and home, feed the kids and relax on the weekends; it's only us politicoholics that are so deeply immersed.  As an econ prof of my said one time when a bunch of us teachers were bemoaning "kids these days", "We're the weird ones. Most kids want to go to football games, party on the weekends and get laid while WE were the ones that were reading the text and other sources.  THEY are the normal ones.".

Yes. Fully agree, with the exception that the will of the voter works if the voters understand what they are voting about. We have a vote coming up on Nov 2 in Maine about an electric power grid project that (a) almost nobody understands, and (b) advocates/opponents have spent $70M in dark money to bombard the airwaves and social media with bullshit. “The People” will vote what their version of Facebook tells them. That’s just one issue. On a National scale it’s insanity and out of control. I am not optimistic. I don’t think it will be possible to go back.

[learningJ24 532]

1 minute ago, loneshark64 said:

Yes. Fully agree, with the exception that the will of the voter works if the voters understand what they are voting about. We have a vote coming up on Nov 2 in Maine about an electric power grid project that (a) almost nobody understands, and (b) advocates/opponents have spent $70M in dark money to bombard the airwaves and social media with bullshit. That’s just one issue. On a National scale it’s insanity and out of control. I am not optimistic. I don’t think it will be possible to go back.

I am because we've proven that it's possible to go back.  We came back from the uncontrolled predatory capitalism of the late 19th century with the Progressive Movement (Republicans when they had a conscience). We came back from the fiscal irresponsibility and unleashed racism of the '20's with the New Deal and the Great Society. Came back from NeoCon militarism and anti-muslim sentiment by electing a president with a name like Barak Hussein Obama.  Not to mention the ACA.  We have and can still come back, it's just going to be messy.

[Raz'r 5,194]

Not sure how we got to guns (ok, that’s easy, Tom showed up) or voting but has anyone noticed the Xtian cancel culture and popular media? When’s the last time an American teen boy was able to see a female human breast on the big screen? They can watch all the free porn they want on their phones, but it’s the end of the world  to see a nipple at the movies.

[loneshark64 1,188]

1 minute ago, Raz'r said:

Not sure how we got to guns (ok, that’s easy, Tom showed up) or voting but has anyone noticed the Xtian cancel culture and popular media? When’s the last time an American teen boy was able to see a female human breast on the big screen? They can watch all the free porn they want on their phones, but it’s the end of the world  to see a nipple at the movies.

It is kind of ridiculous that it a kid goes to a rated R movie they might not get in, and the movies go to a lot of trouble to make sure a PG-13 doesn’t have a hint of a nipple, but the kid can just whip out the phone and see all manner of human body parts doing all manner of things.

[Ishmael 10,625]

1 hour ago, loneshark64 said:

It is kind of ridiculous that it a kid goes to a rated R movie they might not get in, and the movies go to a lot of trouble to make sure a PG-13 doesn’t have a hint of a nipple, but the kid can just whip out the phone and see all manner of human body parts doing all manner of things.

No nipples, but bodies being shot, stabbed, or blown up is perfectly acceptable. That's a pretty fucked-up culture.

[SloopJonB 12,608]

11 hours ago, Ishmael said:

That made no sense to me at all.

Whaddya want?

It was Shorty.

[SloopJonB 12,608]

3 hours ago, loneshark64 said:

Unsolvable.

In every population (left wingers, right wingers, atheists, evangelicals etc) 50% of the people are below the median on intelligence. Pick any measure you want (IQ, SAT, peg board puzzle at Cracker Barrel…) and 50% of the population will be below the median, by definition.

And… IMHO the next 20% above that also don’t seem that bright. I am not in the top cohort intelligence-wise, I have worked with people who are and I know the difference. But I’m not in the bottom 70%.

Carlin had that scoped.

"Think of how dumb the average person is and then realize that half of them are dumber than that".

 

[SloopJonB 12,608]

2 hours ago, loneshark64 said:

It is kind of ridiculous that it a kid goes to a rated R movie they might not get in, and the movies go to a lot of trouble to make sure a PG-13 doesn’t have a hint of a nipple, but the kid can just whip out the phone and see all manner of human body parts doing all manner of things.

America has always had that strange Puritan thing going on about sex. Would you have to take your socks off to count the number of times a dick has been shown in a mainstream movie?

[roundthebuoys 1,004]

9 hours ago, Excoded Tom said:

I want to see the confirmation for Jack Miller, Dick Heller, and Otis McDonald.

Or see you admit you made that up and it's complete bullshit, either way.

Admit that the 2A says well regulated militia?

[Saorsa 48]

14 minutes ago, roundthebuoys said:

Admit that the 2A says well regulated militia?

It sure does even if you don't understand the militia or regulated.

[SloopJonB 12,608]

35 minutes ago, Saorsa said:

49 minutes ago, roundthebuoys said:

Admit that the 2A says well regulated militia?

It sure does even if you don't understand the militia or regulated.

And what gun nut does?

[ShortForBob 2,956]

8 hours ago, justsomeguy! said:

Hey, that's literally a portmanteau.

Good word innit :)

[roundthebuoys 1,004]

3 hours ago, Saorsa said:

It sure does even if you don't understand the militia or regulated.

Well regulated is certainly not a foreign language, it's pretty fucking clear.  And when Proud Bois, 1%rs and the rest call themselves a militia, I take them at their word.

[Burning Man 1,727]

16 hours ago, Gouvernail said:

Huh?? What’s this “we” shit??  In now way have your posts in this thread  contributed a scintilla to an adult discussion. 

Disagree.  There's been a least one scintilla and maybe a smidge or so as well.  

[Burning Man 1,727]

9 hours ago, loneshark64 said:

Unsolvable.

In every population (left wingers, right wingers, atheists, evangelicals etc) 50% of the people are below the median on intelligence. Pick any measure you want (IQ, SAT, peg board puzzle at Cracker Barrel…) and 50% of the population will be below the median, by definition.

And… IMHO the next 20% above that also don’t seem that bright. I am not in the top cohort intelligence-wise, I have worked with people who are and I know the difference. But I’m not in the bottom 70%.

The upshot is 70% of the population at large is too dumb to understand WTF the deal is, and so they are easily manipulated. 100 years ago a large portion of the 70% were probably smart enough. But now the world is technical and the tools of propaganda and mind control are too good.

Democracy has relied on the wisdom of the common man. Which, I think, is dead.

You've got a point.  Plus we now have internet porn.  Who's got time for understanding the vagaries and nuances of politics?

[Burning Man 1,727]

7 hours ago, Ishmael said:

No nipples, but bodies being shot, stabbed, or blown up is perfectly acceptable. That's a pretty fucked-up culture.

You mean the Canadian culture?  When last I was in Montreal, I recall all the same violent movies playing there that were in the US.  

[loneshark64 1,188]

27 minutes ago, Burning Man said:

You've got a point.  Plus we now have internet porn.  Who's got time for understanding the vagaries and nuances of politics?

[Pertinacious Tom 1,930]

9 hours ago, Raz'r said:

Not sure how we got to guns (ok, that’s easy, Jeff brought it up, jsg, 3:1, roundthebouys and I replied, then Tom showed up)

FIFY.

 

4 hours ago, roundthebuoys said:

14 hours ago, Excoded Tom said:

I want to see the confirmation for Jack Miller, Dick Heller, and Otis McDonald.

Or see you admit you made that up and it's complete bullshit, either way.

Admit that the 2A says well regulated militia?

Or just ask a silly question and continue to deny that it applies to the people. It does, which is why you ignored the first part of my post.

[Ishmael 10,625]

43 minutes ago, Burning Man said:

You mean the Canadian culture?  When last I was in Montreal, I recall all the same violent movies playing there that were in the US.  

That's the American culture that crawls in here. Canada has a somewhat different attitude overall.

[ShortForBob 2,956]

Here's an idea.

to the OP

 I feel bad for young kids these days.

I've edited it to conceal the source. Without looking, consider the content.

XXX has passed an education law aimed at reducing the pressures of excessive homework and intensive after-school tutoring, media say.

Parents are being asked to ensure their children have reasonable time for rest and exercise, and do not spend too much time online.

In August XXX banned written exams for 6-7 year olds.

They warned at the time that students' physical and mental health was being harmed.

In the last year xxx has also introduced a number of measures aimed at moderating children's "addiction" to the internet and popular culture.

The latest measure was passed on Saturday.

 

Full details of the law have not yet been published, but media reports suggest it encourages parents to nurture their children's morals, intellectual development and social habits.

Local government will be responsible for implementation, such as providing funding for "enriching extra-curricular activities".

The law received a mixed reaction on social media sites , with some users praising the drive for good parenting while others questioned whether local authorities or the parents themselves would be up to the task.

" I work 8-6, 6 days a week, when I come home at night I still need to carry out family education?" one user asked

In July, xxx stripped online tutoring firms operating in the country of the ability to make a profit from teaching core subjects.

 

The new guidelines also restricted foreign investment in the industry and disrupted the private tutoring sector which was worth around $120bn (£87bn) before the overhaul.

At the time, the move was seen as authorities trying to ease the financial pressures of raising children.

Education inequality is also a problem - more affluent parents are willing to spend thousands to get their children into top schools.

 

[Steam Flyer 8,431]

37 minutes ago, ShortForBob said:

Here's an idea.

to the OP

 I feel bad for young kids these days.

I've edited it to conceal the source. Without looking, consider the content.

XXX has passed an education law aimed at reducing the pressures of excessive homework and intensive after-school tutoring, media say.

Parents are being asked to ensure their children have reasonable time for rest and exercise, and do not spend too much time online.

In August XXX banned written exams for 6-7 year olds.

They warned at the time that students' physical and mental health was being harmed.

In the last year xxx has also introduced a number of measures aimed at moderating children's "addiction" to the internet and popular culture.

The latest measure was passed on Saturday.

 

Full details of the law have not yet been published, but media reports suggest it encourages parents to nurture their children's morals, intellectual development and social habits.

Local government will be responsible for implementation, such as providing funding for "enriching extra-curricular activities".

The law received a mixed reaction on social media sites , with some users praising the drive for good parenting while others questioned whether local authorities or the parents themselves would be up to the task.

" I work 8-6, 6 days a week, when I come home at night I still need to carry out family education?" one user asked

In July, xxx stripped online tutoring firms operating in the country of the ability to make a profit from teaching core subjects.

 

The new guidelines also restricted foreign investment in the industry and disrupted the private tutoring sector which was worth around $120bn (£87bn) before the overhaul.

At the time, the move was seen as authorities trying to ease the financial pressures of raising children.

Education inequality is also a problem - more affluent parents are willing to spend thousands to get their children into top schools.

 

Maybe we need one-design education for kids. Keep it fair, reduce the advantage of the fat wallets.

- DSK

[learningJ24 532]

10 minutes ago, Steam Flyer said:

Maybe we need one-design education for kids. Keep it fair, reduce the advantage of the fat wallets.

- DSK

How about dump "local control"? It doesn't seem to be providing the results wanted. Except for MY kids!

[ShortForBob 2,956]

44 minutes ago, Steam Flyer said:

Maybe we need one-design education for kids. Keep it fair, reduce the advantage of the fat wallets.

- DSK

Absolutely.

For societies that ostensibly promote merit based success, the number of people that fight tooth and claw to pay for advantage  for their own children to get ahead of the pack, regardless of that childs ability, is tragic.

[roundthebuoys 1,004]

2 hours ago, Excoded Tom said:

FIFY.

 

Or just ask a silly question and continue to deny that it applies to the people. It does, which is why you ignored the first part of my post.

What's well regulated about... people?  And why didn't they just say "people"?

[Saorsa 48]

4 hours ago, roundthebuoys said:

Well regulated is certainly not a foreign language, it's pretty fucking clear.  And when Proud Bois, 1%rs and the rest call themselves a militia, I take them at their word.

Really.  Then you do understand that the regulated is based on regulation which is getting the militia to act as an army when called to arms.  The militia was every able bodied man and a few women who wanted to serve.  We really need to include all the women now and begin military training as a part of the middle school curriculum.

[AJ Oliver 1,926]

7 minutes ago, Saorsa said:

The militia was every able bodied man and a few women

Mostly organized for the purpose of terrorizing black folks , , 

https://truthout.org/articles/the-second-amendment-was-ratified-to-preserve-slavery/

[Burning Man 1,727]

3 hours ago, Ishmael said:

4 hours ago, Burning Man said:

You mean the Canadian culture?  When last I was in Montreal, I recall all the same violent movies playing there that were in the US.  

That's the American culture that crawls in here. Canada has a somewhat different attitude overall.

Oh BS!  Are you telling me that Canada would not show John Wick, Dirty Harry, or any of the other Violent movies if we didn't hold you down and force you to watch it??

African-American.... please.

[Burning Man 1,727]

2 hours ago, Steam Flyer said:

Maybe we need one-design education for kids. Keep it fair, reduce the advantage of the fat wallets.

- DSK

Yeah, good luck with that.

[Raz'r 5,194]

4 hours ago, Burning Man said:

You mean the Canadian culture?  When last I was in Montreal, I recall all the same violent movies playing there that were in the US.  

They don’t have a problem with the nipple. 

[Raz'r 5,194]

49 minutes ago, Saorsa said:

Really.  Then you do understand that the regulated is based on regulation which is getting the militia to act as an army when called to arms.  The militia was every able bodied man and a few women who wanted to serve.  We really need to include all the women now and begin military training as a part of the middle school curriculum.

You think the wealthy want the general populace trained on how to kill them? Really?

[AJ Oliver 1,926]

@Steam Flyerwrote  ".. Keep it fair, reduce the advantage of the fat wallets." 

To their credit, Amherst just abolished legacy admissions . . i.e., affirmative action for rich white yoot 

Amherst College announced Wednesday that it is eliminating the preference it has granted in admissions to legacy applicants since the 1920s. Currently, 11 percent of Amherst students are legacies.

[Ishmael 10,625]

1 hour ago, Burning Man said:

Oh BS!  Are you telling me that Canada would not show John Wick, Dirty Harry, or any of the other Violent movies if we didn't hold you down and force you to watch it??

African-American.... please.

If you had lived here for the last 50 years you might know what I'm talking about. But I doubt it.

[SloopJonB 12,608]

3 hours ago, Saorsa said:

Really.  Then you do understand that the regulated is based on regulation which is getting the militia to act as an army when called to arms.  The militia was every able bodied man and a few women who wanted to serve.  We really need to include all the women now and begin military training as a part of the middle school curriculum.

Yeah - the U.S. definitely needs to boost its militarism.

[ShortForBob 2,956]

3 hours ago, AJ Oliver said:

@Steam Flyerwrote  ".. Keep it fair, reduce the advantage of the fat wallets." 

To their credit, Amherst just abolished legacy admissions . . i.e., affirmative action for rich white yoot 

Amherst College announced Wednesday that it is eliminating the preference it has granted in admissions to legacy applicants since the 1920s. Currently, 11 percent of Amherst students are legacies.

Triffic. that makes room for a few more that can afford 80,000 PA

 

[Fah Kiew Tu 3,237]

16 hours ago, Ishmael said:

No nipples, but bodies being shot, stabbed, or blown up is perfectly acceptable. That's a pretty fucked-up culture.

This. I do NOT watch violent movies. Don't find them in the least appealing.

FKT

[Pertinacious Tom 1,930]

7 hours ago, roundthebuoys said:

9 hours ago, Excoded Tom said:

FIFY.

 

Or just ask a silly question and continue to deny that it applies to the people. It does, which is why you ignored the first part of my post.

What's well regulated about... people?  And why didn't they just say "people"?

I asked you first, so answer.

What is well regulated about Jack Miller, Dick Heller, and Otis McDonald?

And they did just say "the people" but in a part of the amendment that is never read by TeamD/grabby types.

[SloopJonB 12,608]

7 hours ago, Fah Kiew Tu said:

This. I do NOT watch violent movies. Don't find them in the least appealing.

FKT

You don't like seeing Clint Eastwood having his day made?

 

Personally, the movies I like best are generally about things I don't or won't experience in real life.

[roundthebuoys 1,004]

14 hours ago, Saorsa said:

Really.  Then you do understand that the regulated is based on regulation which is getting the militia to act as an army when called to arms.  The militia was every able bodied man and a few women who wanted to serve.  We really need to include all the women now and begin military training as a part of the middle school curriculum.

OK, war mongering Boomer.  Let the fear go man.  The oft cited militias of 2021 are the enemy of our democracy.  It's 2021, not 1812.

[learningJ24 532]

12 minutes ago, roundthebuoys said:

OK, war mongering Boomer.  Let the fear go man.  The oft cited militias of 2021 are the enemy of our democracy.  It's 2021, not 1812.

In the same way that the Founders considered a standing military the greatest threat to the republic, it's becoming obvious that the modern "militia' (in it's actual rather than theoretical sense) is the greatest current threat to the republic.

[Burning Man 1,727]

15 hours ago, Raz'r said:

They don’t have a problem with the nipple. 

I don't have a problem with the nipple either.  Been to plenty of topless beaches in Europe.  Meh.

But the nipple is not what we're talking about.  The nipple, or lack thereof, doesn't contribute to causing young men to murder people.  Try to stay on subject.  It's a fast moving game here, keep up.

[Raz'r 5,194]

1 minute ago, Burning Man said:

I don't have a problem with the nipple either.  Been to plenty of topless beaches in Europe.  Meh.

But the nipple is not what we're talking about.  The nipple, or lack thereof, doesn't contribute to causing young men to murder people.  Try to stay on subject.  It's a fast moving game here, keep up.

Cancel culture, it’s the rights MO. Not sure why this is about gunz. Oh yeah, you brought it up. Again

[Burning Man 1,727]

2 hours ago, roundthebuoys said:

OK, war mongering Boomer.  Let the fear go man.  The oft cited militias of 2021 are the enemy of our democracy.  It's 2021, not 1812.

I agree with you about them being the threat.   But I think you are confusing terms.  Just because they call themselves A militia, doesn't they are THE militia.  It doesn't matter what they call themselves, it's matters what they do and say.  I think the proper terms for those groups are seditionists and insurrectionists.  They do not invalidate the FF's concept that the body of THE PEOPLE are the militia the 2nd refers to. 

As to the "well regulated" bit - we've been over this 1000x here.  If you read the FF's own writings on the subject as they try to explain and make their case for the new Constitution - they themselves say a well regulated (as in trained and disciplined) is the goal, but even they acknowledge it's unlikely to be achievable.  And again, for the 1001x, the word "regulated" meant something completely different in 1789 than is does today.  It did not mean "Well restricted".  It meant "well trained and disciplined".  But they made it very clear in the Federalist papers that while that was the goal, the time, cost and effort would be unlikely to be achievable without wrecking the nascent economy.  

[Burning Man 1,727]

10 minutes ago, Raz'r said:

Cancel culture, it’s the rights MO. Not sure why this is about gunz. Oh yeah, you brought it up. Again

What does the nipple have to do with Cancel Culture?

[Burning Man 1,727]

18 hours ago, ShortForBob said:

18 hours ago, Steam Flyer said:

Maybe we need one-design education for kids. Keep it fair, reduce the advantage of the fat wallets.

- DSK

Absolutely.

For societies that ostensibly promote merit based success, the number of people that fight tooth and claw to pay for advantage  for their own children to get ahead of the pack, regardless of that childs ability, is tragic.

Yeah, that's the ticket.  Dumb everyone down to the lowest common denominator so Little Johnny can feel good about himself and have plenty of other dumb kids around him to make him think he's above average when he's not.  Even in a strict OD fleet, there are still the good sailors at the front, a bunch in the middle struggling for clear air, and the ones at the back who get lapped because they are a clown show trying to get their kite up and down.  It is and always will be this way.  

[Steam Flyer 8,431]

9 minutes ago, Burning Man said:

Yeah, that's the ticket.  Dumb everyone down to the lowest common denominator so Little Johnny can feel good about himself and have plenty of other dumb kids around him to make him think he's above average when he's not.  Even in a strict OD fleet, there are still the good sailors at the front, a bunch in the middle struggling for clear air, and the ones at the back who get lapped because they are a clown show trying to get their kite up and down.  It is and always will be this way.  

Yep

So, let's go ahead and set up our whole system around rich kids getting everything, education, jobs, leadership, more wealth; and poor kids get shit on at every turn and have no hope of anything better.

After all, it's always going to be that way. Might as well be open and honest about it.

- DSK

[Burning Man 1,727]

9 minutes ago, Steam Flyer said:

Yep

So, let's go ahead and set up our whole system around rich kids getting everything, education, jobs, leadership, more wealth; and poor kids get shit on at every turn and have no hope of anything better.

After all, it's always going to be that way. Might as well be open and honest about it.

- DSK

Sure, that's a binary way to look at it.  OR..... let the rich kids do what rich kids do, but give the poor kids the opportunity to excel as well.  Opportunity being the key word here.  No one is guaranteed to be happy, they just need to be able to pursue happiness.  If they don't pursue it, then that's fine too.  The world will always need ditch diggers and walmart stock boys.  

[Raz'r 5,194]

38 minutes ago, Burning Man said:

What does the nipple have to do with Cancel Culture?

If you can’t see how the republicans run their culture wars, I can’t help you

[SloopJonB 12,608]

2 hours ago, learningJ24 said:

In the same way that the Founders considered a standing military the greatest threat to the republic, it's becoming obvious that the modern "militia' (in it's actual rather than theoretical sense) is the greatest current threat to the republic.

Not really - those childish fools are irrelevant. They may cause a few incidents but those will be lost in the general level of gun mayhem.

The greatest threat to America is the Dunning-Kruger effect.

[Burning Man 1,727]

6 minutes ago, Raz'r said:

If you can’t see how the republicans run their culture wars, I can’t help you

Oh I see it and am well aware of it.  But I'm pretty sure that showing a nipple in a movie is not part of it.  That horse has long left the barn.  And Tipper wasn't even a Republican.

I am also well aware of the left's culture wars as well.  If you can't see it, I can't help you either.  

[Not My Real Name 3,596]

1 hour ago, Burning Man said:

Yeah, that's the ticket.  Dumb everyone down to the lowest common denominator so Little Johnny can feel good about himself and have plenty of other dumb kids around him to make him think he's above average when he's not.  Even in a strict OD fleet, there are still the good sailors at the front, a bunch in the middle struggling for clear air, and the ones at the back who get lapped because they are a clown show trying to get their kite up and down.  It is and always will be this way.  

Yes, but in a strict OD fleet you can't simply buy your way to the podium. But you can get a leg up.

Most of the best sailors are not poor kids who walked onto the sport and had talent, they're the kids of affluent sailors who have been sent to Jr. sailing programs, coaching clinics, etc. etc. And there's a difference between a stiff, new boat and a 30 year old beater, even if you keep up on the bottom prep and sails and stay within the rules.