TPG 229 Posted October 18, 2021 Share Posted October 18, 2021 Spindrift 2 (sail for change) going on standby. Gitana on standby when she gets back from Transat Jaques Vabre (I'm guessing crew training on the trip back to France) 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
yl75 1,390 Posted October 24, 2021 Share Posted October 24, 2021 For Gitana, the probability that they come back from two transats without foils/rudders damage is quite low, but on their last attempt they started early January, so still some time for some repairs Quote Link to post Share on other sites
yl75 1,390 Posted October 24, 2021 Share Posted October 24, 2021 Maybe some ultim will have a shot on new York lizard point record on the way back from TJV, Gabart said this record is high on his list, what is the best season for it? More beginning spring? Edit: current one is from August 2009, bidegorry on bpV (now spindrift/sail for change) Quote Link to post Share on other sites
M26 103 Posted November 24, 2021 Share Posted November 24, 2021 Spindrift depart tomorow. whoa! 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Keith 1,516 Posted November 24, 2021 Share Posted November 24, 2021 https://spindrift-racing.com/jules-verne-trophee/ Tracker 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Schakel 262 Posted November 24, 2021 Share Posted November 24, 2021 Found the arrival of Gitana on Twitter: And Samatha Davies on the last stretch:| 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
yl75 1,390 Posted November 24, 2021 Share Posted November 24, 2021 Tracker link making good use of the window (ridiculous on spindrift site) : https://spindrift-racing.geovoile.com/tropheejulesverne/2021/tracker The window looks quite good ! (at +96 , the North Atlantic looks good) 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
yl75 1,390 Posted November 25, 2021 Share Posted November 25, 2021 They might not start today ... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
M26 103 Posted November 25, 2021 Share Posted November 25, 2021 false alarm sadly... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
yl75 1,390 Posted November 25, 2021 Share Posted November 25, 2021 I wonder on which part they think the window deteriorated, doldrums ? South Atlantic ? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Schakel 262 Posted November 25, 2021 Share Posted November 25, 2021 1 hour ago, yl75 said: They might not start today ... Bummer. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
yl75 1,390 Posted November 25, 2021 Share Posted November 25, 2021 Humm, they should have taken the risk methink Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Your Mom 1,087 Posted November 25, 2021 Share Posted November 25, 2021 I guess it partly depends on whether or not they'd be willing to kill an attempt 3 days out, return, and try again... Seems like a one-shot annual attempt is the usual plan... but if you're willing to give it a go, bail out, re-provision, and try again... then they could have gone out and made the decision on whether or not to proceed post-start. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
SCARECROW 735 Posted November 26, 2021 Share Posted November 26, 2021 5 hours ago, Your Mom said: I guess it partly depends on whether or not they'd be willing to kill an attempt 3 days out, return, and try again... Seems like a one-shot annual attempt is the usual plan... but if you're willing to give it a go, bail out, re-provision, and try again... then they could have gone out and made the decision on whether or not to proceed post-start. 3 days would be close to a record for them wouldn't it? 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Lakrass 174 Posted November 26, 2021 Share Posted November 26, 2021 I wonder if teams searching for this perfect windows are not actually missing some "average" windows which are developing into good ones. When looking for optimal forecast, they can only evolve negatively (or eventually keep up to their promises) but weather is not always according to forecast. Would be interesting to know the cost and if it is worth to start more attempts up to a point (like 3 days in), and give a chance to more windows. Surely the interesting parts are passing the doldrums and catch the proper wind system after to ride in the South and I doubt the prediction are that reliable from the start, but I might miss something only the teams know. Or they are trying to chase this elusive perfect window and ready to miss out to one which is good enough. Never really seen any insight during interview or articles (except the different codes, preparation and such; but not so much about the criteria for start). Quote Link to post Share on other sites
yl75 1,390 Posted November 26, 2021 Share Posted November 26, 2021 A bit more info : Basically they see the St Helena high too big and South, which would oblige them to go too far south, and in an area with a lot of ice. (but they could have spent more of the video to explain ...) Apparently Jean Yves Bernot is telling them this is not a good window. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Boink 838 Posted November 29, 2021 Share Posted November 29, 2021 Mind boggling to consider the interconnectedness of all of this...... Most cannot even fathom how critical the creation of accurate polars are nowdays. The associated cross over charts for sail selection and the capacity of a helmsman to stick to the criteria given by skipper and routeur. One feeds the other, and tiny Percentage gains or losses develop into non-forecastable errors. The video mentioned only one gybe to reach the Southern Ocean..... We have finally only recently seen the establishment of what is regarded a normal Azores high position and even more recently that the trades between Africa and the Carribbean have settled into what could be called familiar. JYB has to consider so many competing factors....... Tough job to make a Go/No Go call...... Something else keyboard warriors here might wish to consider is the impact of La Nina which has been declared by Australian BOM but not yet globally endorsed, along with Negative IOD and status of SAM. I would be fascinated to learn more on their impact for high latitude passages, and effects further afield than the regions who are directly impacted. I know that we are probably not having to dissuade/educate flat eathers in this forum..... (Well I certainly hope not) but the opportunity to spread knowledge about local effects being felt globally is rare and the speed that these planetary laps are now being done in, represents a golden opportunity to teach young and fertile minds about concepts that are otherwise often too overwhelming or too slow to comprehend...... Hope they get to go soon and teach us all LOTS. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
SCARECROW 735 Posted November 29, 2021 Share Posted November 29, 2021 The effect Of La Niña are easy to characterise. It will be like last years Vendee. Head winds, brick walls and drifters where you would normally expect a sleigh ride. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
yl75 1,390 Posted November 29, 2021 Share Posted November 29, 2021 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
yl75 1,390 Posted November 30, 2021 Share Posted November 30, 2021 tracker : https://spindrift-racing.geovoile.com/tropheejulesverne/2021/tracker 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
NZK 587 Posted November 30, 2021 Share Posted November 30, 2021 On 11/26/2021 at 11:37 AM, Lakrass said: I wonder if teams searching for this perfect windows are not actually missing some "average" windows which are developing into good ones. When looking for optimal forecast, they can only evolve negatively (or eventually keep up to their promises) but weather is not always according to forecast. Would be interesting to know the cost and if it is worth to start more attempts up to a point (like 3 days in), and give a chance to more windows. Surely the interesting parts are passing the doldrums and catch the proper wind system after to ride in the South and I doubt the prediction are that reliable from the start, but I might miss something only the teams know. Or they are trying to chase this elusive perfect window and ready to miss out to one which is good enough. Never really seen any insight during interview or articles (except the different codes, preparation and such; but not so much about the criteria for start). How do we think this might change once the Ultimes go back into Jules Verne mode? As foilers they theoretically have different forecast requirements to Spindrift - is it possible their efficiency gives them a broader window of conditions that are considered favourable? Or does just shift the parameters but maintain the same 'narrowness'...? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Son of a Sailor 113 Posted November 30, 2021 Share Posted November 30, 2021 Looks like they have the main ready to hoist 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
yl75 1,390 Posted November 30, 2021 Share Posted November 30, 2021 Published 4 hours ago ... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
TPG 229 Posted November 30, 2021 Author Share Posted November 30, 2021 And back to red Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Justaquickone 67 Posted November 30, 2021 Share Posted November 30, 2021 6 hours ago, Son of a Sailor said: Looks like they have the main ready to hoist Impressive amount of solar pannels . Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Trovão 624 Posted December 1, 2021 Share Posted December 1, 2021 On 11/30/2021 at 6:46 PM, Justaquickone said: Impressive amount of solar pannels . necessary on a boat intended to go 'round the marble without using fossil fuels... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
yl75 1,390 Posted December 2, 2021 Share Posted December 2, 2021 Below JY Bernot says a bit more about the changes of plans, it is all about the South Atlantic : https://spindrift-racing.com/news/an-insight-into-green-codes/ And he also says that they have run simulations if they did go, and that the results are that indeed the decisions were right ! 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Fiji Bitter 1,976 Posted December 3, 2021 Share Posted December 3, 2021 (edited) Great interview, with good questions and clarifying answers. Bernot must be the oldest weather router in France, and still going strong at the sound of it. A bit surprising that he is so confident about long term forecasts, and says: ”reliable data runs for up to ten days and more!", and later "We can clearly see what’s going to happen in the South Atlantic eight days in advance." Of course it depends how he defines "reliable" and "clearly", and that must be where his real expertise and experience comes in. Quite fascinating really. He also says:"...from 1990-2000... it wasn’t possible to predict the weather beyond five days". Note that he says "predict"! In that period, when I asked him for a (free) 3 day forecast for Biscay, he said Force 6, maybe 7, and added "but beware, it is only a prediction, it could be more." Right he was, it was an 8, and a bit of struggle. The only time in all those years that a wave filled my cockpit, the wave and the young helmwoman actually, landing on the bottom but still holding the tiller, with a big . PS. Yes I know, must have told that story before... Edited December 3, 2021 by Fiji Bitter PS. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
yl75 1,390 Posted December 9, 2021 Share Posted December 9, 2021 No Jules Verne attempt for Gitana this year, they broke the daggerboard and its foil coming back : https://voilesetvoiliers.ouest-france.fr/course-au-large/trophee-jules-verne/pas-de-tentative-de-trophee-jules-verne-pour-le-maxi-edmond-de-rothschild-victime-d-une-avarie-a151f364-582d-11ec-9a47-41ee58d6a886 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
serialsailor 143 Posted December 9, 2021 Share Posted December 9, 2021 50.7 kts top speed and a 880nm/36.6kts 24-hour run in fake solo on the way back is pretty good! To bad they hit something... I'd love to have the stats on hitting UFOs. (1 hit in how many miles average). 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
serialsailor 143 Posted December 9, 2021 Share Posted December 9, 2021 Just now, serialsailor said: 50.7 kts top speed and a 880nm/36.6kts 24-hour run in fake solo on the way back is pretty good! To bad they hit something... I'd love to have the stats on hitting UFOs. (1 hit in how many miles average). BTW that is an "unofficial" 24h solo record (it was "fake solo" and no official recording setup on board)! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Boink 838 Posted December 10, 2021 Share Posted December 10, 2021 13 hours ago, serialsailor said: 50.7 kts top speed and a 880nm/36.6kts 24-hour run in fake solo on the way back is pretty good! To bad they hit something.... Absolutely hauling the Mail! Bear in mind too, Winter conditions with short daylight hours And he left on this return passage only 5 days after his Transat Jacques Vabre performance. I tip my hat to you Monsieur Caudrelier Yet again he has quietly reinforced his value. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Gorn FRANTIC!! 504 Posted December 10, 2021 Share Posted December 10, 2021 On 12/9/2021 at 10:16 PM, serialsailor said: 50.7 kts top speed and a 880nm/36.6kts 24-hour run in fake solo on the way back is pretty good! To bad they hit something... I'd love to have the stats on hitting UFOs. (1 hit in how many miles average). What exactly does "fake solo" mean? Charles did all the sailing but had support crew on board in case things started going pear shaped? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
yl75 1,390 Posted December 11, 2021 Share Posted December 11, 2021 16 hours ago, Gorn FRANTIC!! said: What exactly does "fake solo" mean? Charles did all the sailing but had support crew on board in case things started going pear shaped? Yes, in another Article, banque pop team manager is saying that Armel is planning for one or two transat in fake solo to prepare for the RdR 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Jean-Baptiste 351 Posted December 12, 2021 Share Posted December 12, 2021 https://voilesetvoiliers.ouest-france.fr/course-au-large/trophee-jules-verne/pas-de-tentative-de-trophee-jules-verne-pour-le-maxi-edmond-de-rothschild-victime-d-une-avarie-a151f364-582d-11ec-9a47-41ee58d6a886 Pfffttt very unfortunate, I was hoping to see them have a go. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
SCARECROW 735 Posted December 18, 2021 Share Posted December 18, 2021 On 12/11/2021 at 5:39 AM, Gorn FRANTIC!! said: What exactly does "fake solo" mean? Charles did all the sailing but had support crew on board in case things started going pear shaped? you've got to wear clothes in the tropics and share your wine but you still have to do all the work yourself. Kind of like being married. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
yl75 1,390 Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 Maybe a window after the 27th ? (at least the trades have recovered) Quote Link to post Share on other sites
vokstar 115 Posted February 1 Share Posted February 1 spindrift has knocked it on the head for the potential 2021 trophy. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
yl75 1,390 Posted February 1 Share Posted February 1 But they say they will have a go at it at the end of the year. (and that post analysis of the the two green codes showed they were right not to go, especially for the second one) Clearly the North Atlantic has been a mess almost the whole time for the trades this year. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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