Chobani Sailor 199 Posted December 21, 2021 Share Posted December 21, 2021 10 hours ago, shebeen said: The way the US sailGP team has improved from Rome Kirby to JS I'd be interested to see who it could be from the US. Surely it's got to be Goodie Goodie was spotted in Newport with a bunch of other team members a couple weeks ago when American Magic had a team meeting. They were hiding out in Middletown to be exact. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Chobani Sailor 199 Posted December 21, 2021 Share Posted December 21, 2021 13 hours ago, Stingray~ said: Disagree, I think TH is a good CEO and fully expect he will stay in charge but retire from his onboard grinding role. I also expect he will try to sign, or already has signed, one very hot helm... TH may be the face of American Magic, but he shouldn't be "running" the team. He ran it for AC36 and look at their results. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Stingray~ 2,280 Posted December 21, 2021 Share Posted December 21, 2021 2 hours ago, NeedAClew said: Isn't his wife American? Green card sufficed. And once you have a Green card (through long-term residency and/or employment and/or family) then you can apply for citizenship, which takes around 5 years? Am guessing shebeen’s quotes are by Slingsby, yes. Great find if so. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Stingray~ 2,280 Posted December 21, 2021 Share Posted December 21, 2021 1 hour ago, Chobani Sailor said: TH may be the face of American Magic, but he shouldn't be "running" the team. He ran it for AC36 and look at their results. Sure, they may need more of a ‘traditional’ CEO and COO (pro business types) - could understand that. But I do think they need both a better helm and (since TH is likely off the boat) a new strategist; they may also want to leave Goodie on wing trim. Those are the kind of decisions TH could add value on. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Stingray~ 2,280 Posted December 21, 2021 Share Posted December 21, 2021 9 hours ago, shebeen said: well there's also this guy. could see a bunch of aussie skippers scrapping it out Great find, I tried for a minute yesterday but gave up too quickly. https://www.insidesport.com.au/more-sport/news/tom-slingsby-421913 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
NeedAClew 1,786 Posted December 21, 2021 Share Posted December 21, 2021 41 minutes ago, Stingray~ said: And once you have a Green card (through long-term residency and/or employment and/or family) then you can apply for citizenship, which takes around 5 years? Am guessing shebeen’s quotes are by Slingsby, yes. Great find if so. I think nationality is satisfied by Green Card. Surprised if he got citizenship but in any event he sure identifies an Australian. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
The_Alchemist 1,433 Posted December 21, 2021 Share Posted December 21, 2021 34 minutes ago, Stingray~ said: Great find, I tried for a minute yesterday but gave up too quickly. https://www.insidesport.com.au/more-sport/news/tom-slingsby-421913 He has dual citizenship! That would be a great addition if AM got Slingsby to helm their boat!!!!!! and then rejoined NYYC. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Stingray~ 2,280 Posted December 21, 2021 Share Posted December 21, 2021 28 minutes ago, The_Alchemist said: He has dual citizenship! That would be a great addition if AM got Slingsby to helm their boat!!!!!! Slingsby is obviously the hottest hand out there, yes! If his only other citizenship besides AUS is USA then (while he may be worth a ship-ton of money on an open market) he may be willing to sign? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Sailbydate 3,613 Posted December 21, 2021 Share Posted December 21, 2021 So he does have the necessary paperwork. Could be real interesting. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Stingray~ 2,280 Posted December 21, 2021 Share Posted December 21, 2021 1 hour ago, Sailbydate said: So he does have the necessary paperwork. Could be real interesting. For AC34 and AC35 Slingsby was tactician, with JS on helm. There was debate here when OR fell behind in both about if TS should take over at helm but RC and whoever never did make that change. It's possible TS would be best-positioned again at tactician on an AC75? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
NeedAClew 1,786 Posted December 21, 2021 Share Posted December 21, 2021 Story I heard was RC wanted TS on helm last time but pitbull went whining to Larry and kept the wheel. And lost. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Stingray~ 2,280 Posted December 21, 2021 Share Posted December 21, 2021 27 minutes ago, NeedAClew said: Story I heard was RC wanted TS on helm last time but pitbull went whining to Larry and kept the wheel. And lost. Yes, I remember that rumor too but, like what TS said in the piece shebeen located, it was the way they sailed the boat that made the biggest difference in the turnaround. TS likely had big input into all that, without being on the helm. BA coming in late in SF (as basically a tactician, and the change possibly ordered by LE) seemed to be a difference-maker too, it's a critical position in the afterguard. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
dg_sailingfan 70 Posted December 21, 2021 Share Posted December 21, 2021 27 minutes ago, Stingray~ said: For AC34 and AC35 Slingsby was tactician, with JS on helm. There was debate here when OR fell behind in both about if TS should take over at helm but RC and whoever never did make that change. It's possible TS would be best-positioned again at tactician on an AC75? Wrong, Ben was Tactician for OTUSA replacing Kostecki in AC34 and Singsby was the Strategist. The Combination of those 3 Spithill/Ainslie/Slingsby was obviously deadly good once everyone found their spot. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
NeedAClew 1,786 Posted December 21, 2021 Share Posted December 21, 2021 2 minutes ago, Stingray~ said: Yes, I remember that rumor too but, like what TS said in the piece shebeen located, it was the way they sailed the boat that made the biggest difference in the turnaround. TS likely had big input into all that, without being on the helm. BA coming in late in SF (as basically a tactician, and the change possibly ordered by LE) seemed to be a difference-maker too, it's a critical position in the afterguard. That was 34. I was talking about last time Oracle raced (and lost) ie 35 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Mr. Squirrel 120 Posted December 22, 2021 Share Posted December 22, 2021 On 12/21/2021 at 11:12 AM, Chobani Sailor said: TH may be the face of American Magic, but he shouldn't be "running" the team. He ran it for AC36 and look at their results. Which results? The first team to sail an AC75? The first team to sail their test mule? The first team to sail their V2 boat? The first team to beat ETNZ? Oh you mean the one crash that was as much DB's fault as anyone. As the leader he falls on his sword, but you are a moron if you think "their results" should be boiled down to one boat handling error. The team is moving forward and TH is leading the charge! And DD and HF are so mad at TH that he has been sailing on both of their boats this summer. Block Island on BM72 and the 52SS on QR. MS 5 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
shebeen 478 Posted December 22, 2021 Share Posted December 22, 2021 On 12/21/2021 at 8:18 PM, Stingray~ said: Great find, I tried for a minute yesterday but gave up too quickly. https://www.insidesport.com.au/more-sport/news/tom-slingsby-421913 Yup, that's him. Handling sailgp quite well currently. Cleaned up at moth world's. Rolex sailor of the year. Never helmed at AC. Not sailing Olympic circuit. No other viable US helm. No Australian AC team. I can't think of any reason why Tom slingsby would not take this job of it is on the table. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Stingray~ 2,280 Posted December 22, 2021 Share Posted December 22, 2021 10 minutes ago, shebeen said: I can't think of any reason why Tom Slingsby would not take this job of it is on the table. It's possible he has more lucrative opportunities, even in coming SailGP prospects, but yes - agreed this is a very-real possibility. Rumor is that TH approached JS too but he said he was already recommitted to LR; if that is true it at least shows intention by AM to aim high. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
NeedAClew 1,786 Posted December 22, 2021 Share Posted December 22, 2021 Also shows that American youth will continue to see they best not "aspire" to be AC helms. Continuing the great legacy of the last umpteen cups...was Peter Holmberg the last "US" helm? Maybe they can dream of grinding. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Stingray~ 2,280 Posted December 22, 2021 Share Posted December 22, 2021 20 minutes ago, NeedAClew said: Also shows that American youth will continue to see they best not "aspire" to be AC helms. Continuing the great legacy of the last umpteen cups...was Peter Holmberg the last "US" helm? Maybe they can dream of grinding. Tom competed in 2 AC's for USA and has an American mother. It's absolutely no problem for me, I know Americans with far more diverse accents and backgrounds. I did have hopes for Bora but lost track about what if anything he is sailing nowadays. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
NeedAClew 1,786 Posted December 23, 2021 Share Posted December 23, 2021 3 minutes ago, Stingray~ said: Tom competed in 2 AC's for USA and has an American mother. It's absolutely no problem for me, I know Americans with far more diverse accents and backgrounds. I did have hopes for Bora buy lost track about what if anything he is sailing nowadays. It's not a "problem" having a multinational team. It's a problem that the US lost the "prize" for US kids to aspire to because the Team USA had hardly any on it and thus no "AC experience" when that's needed. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Stingray~ 2,280 Posted December 23, 2021 Share Posted December 23, 2021 6 minutes ago, NeedAClew said: It's not a "problem" having a multinational team. It's a problem that the US lost the "prize" for US kids to aspire to because the Team USA had hardly any on it and thus no "AC experience" when that's needed. US kids will have the option to aspire to this too. The WAC and YAC should also help. All good. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
NeedAClew 1,786 Posted December 23, 2021 Share Posted December 23, 2021 14 minutes ago, Stingray~ said: US kids will have the option to aspire to this too. The WAC and YAC should also help. All good. Lost a couple of generations there. Thanks Larry. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Stingray~ 2,280 Posted December 23, 2021 Share Posted December 23, 2021 31 minutes ago, NeedAClew said: Lost a couple of generations there. Thanks Larry. LE is who introduced a YAC and Red Bull is who sponsored it through 2 AC cycles. LE's SailGP is also who is gradually promoting females into that series with, according to one of the AUS females this weekend, a 'big' announcement coming soon on that front. There are plenty of ways to critisize LE but his generosity towards sailing definitely deserves a very $B big kudo. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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dogwatch 1,318 Posted December 23, 2021 Share Posted December 23, 2021 2 hours ago, Mr. Squirrel said: Oh you mean the one crash that was as much DB's fault as anyone. As the leader he falls on his sword, but you are a moron if you think "their results" should be boiled down to one boat handling error. The team is moving forward and TH is leading the charge! Rose tinted specs. Their results in the CSS were shiite before the crash. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Stingray~ 2,280 Posted December 23, 2021 Share Posted December 23, 2021 15 minutes ago, dogwatch said: Rose tinted specs. Their results in the CSS were shiite before the crash. AM's results may well have been due in part to the lower-range than the typical/forecasted conditions that eventuated, ie: compared to the 14kt-18knts range they had designed and optimized for. Botin being signed by ARB for AC37 does make AM's prospects a touch more unpredictable this time. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
NeedAClew 1,786 Posted December 23, 2021 Share Posted December 23, 2021 1 hour ago, Stingray~ said: LE is who introduced a YAC and Red Bull is who sponsored it through 2 AC cycles. LE's SailGP is also who is gradually promoting females into that series with, according to one of the AUS females this weekend, a 'big' announcement coming soon on that front. There are plenty of ways to critisize LE but his generosity towards sailing definitely deserves a very $B big kudo. But how many up and coming American sailors were on his AC boats? It was OTAUS in 2013 and you know it. There was no path onto AC boats despite his beneficence. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
NeedAClew 1,786 Posted December 23, 2021 Share Posted December 23, 2021 1 hour ago, Stingray~ said: "Yeah, yeah I know you should have replaced Jimmy in Bermuda but he's such a noodge and I was getting tired of the politics. See? This is even better and you can drive. I won't cut off the stipend for a few years." San Francisco May 2019 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
shebeen 478 Posted December 23, 2021 Share Posted December 23, 2021 4 hours ago, Stingray~ said: LE is who introduced a YAC and Red Bull is who sponsored it through 2 AC cycles. LE's SailGP is also who is gradually promoting females into that series with, according to one of the AUS females this weekend, a 'big' announcement coming soon on that front. There are plenty of ways to critisize LE but his generosity towards sailing definitely deserves a very $B big kudo. (Italics)Not to mention BOR having both JS and TS on the afterguard, who else has supported ginger sailors more? 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Chobani Sailor 199 Posted December 23, 2021 Share Posted December 23, 2021 15 hours ago, Mr. Squirrel said: Which results? The first team to sail an AC75? The first team to sail their test mule? The first team to sail their V2 boat? The first team to beat ETNZ? Oh you mean the one crash that was as much DB's fault as anyone. As the leader he falls on his sword, but you are a moron if you think "their results" should be boiled down to one boat handling error. The team is moving forward and TH is leading the charge! And DD and HF are so mad at TH that he has been sailing on both of their boats this summer. Block Island on BM72 and the 52SS on QR. MS You may enjoy working with TH, but I have a lot of connections from that team. There is a reason they came in last place, there is a reason the Commodore was vocal on the dumping of AM so quickly, there is a reason that the Alinghi team has tons of American Magic team members on it including the lead designers and key production personnel. It was apparently a shitshow because it was so poorly run by TH. People were anxious to disassociate themselves. Plain and simple, if TH was a great leader he would have removed himself from being a grinder. He was the weak link on the boat. Rewatch the the Christmas race against ETNZ - you can see ETNZ had pre-race problems with their boat. When the racing counted they got slaughtered. Sailing BM72 in Block Island against a bunch of tiny little boats. That's like a D1 football team playing against high school teams. Is that the only way TH can win nowadays? When they sail against other 72s they don't do well. AM is going to be the weakest team in AC37 if TH is running the show. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Forourselves 1,691 Posted December 23, 2021 Share Posted December 23, 2021 People need to stop using the crash as an excuse. They got leapfrogged by INEOS and LR before the crash even happened. They should've slaughtered INEOS in that first RR1 match, but they got slaughtered. Then they had an opportunity to bounce back against LR, who lets be honest, was very much on the ropes themselves at that time, in RR1 race 3, and got beaten again. Then they had another race against INEOS that they lost. Then the crash happened. But they still had opportunities to get back on track afterward, but had a nightmare semi final. Including their last race against Team NZ in the ACWS, they lost 4 races in a row, then crashed, sat out a couple of weeks, then lost another 4 in a row. The AM campaign was poor. They made all the same mistakes Team NZ made in 2013. Dean at least, was part of that. They should've learned from San Fran, but they didn't. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Chobani Sailor 199 Posted December 23, 2021 Share Posted December 23, 2021 44 minutes ago, Forourselves said: People need to stop using the crash as an excuse. They got leapfrogged by INEOS and LR before the crash even happened. They should've slaughtered INEOS in that first RR1 match, but they got slaughtered. Then they had an opportunity to bounce back against LR, who lets be honest, was very much on the ropes themselves at that time, in RR1 race 3, and got beaten again. Then they had another race against INEOS that they lost. Then the crash happened. But they still had opportunities to get back on track afterward, but had a nightmare semi final. Including their last race against Team NZ in the ACWS, they lost 4 races in a row, then crashed, sat out a couple of weeks, then lost another 4 in a row. The AM campaign was poor. They made all the same mistakes Team NZ made in 2013. Dean at least, was part of that. They should've learned from San Fran, but they didn't. Very well articulated. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Sailbydate 3,613 Posted December 23, 2021 Share Posted December 23, 2021 17 hours ago, NeedAClew said: 'noodge' Had to look that one up, Clew. Well done. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Terry Hollis 441 Posted December 26, 2021 Share Posted December 26, 2021 On 12/23/2021 at 11:19 AM, Mr. Squirrel said: Oh you mean the one crash that was as much DB's fault as anyone. As the leader he falls on his sword, but you are a moron if you think "their results" should be boiled down to one boat handling error. The team is moving forward and TH is leading the charge! It was not the boat handling error that finished them, it was bad structural design, the other teams had similar "handling errors" and the able to continue sailing. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
enigmatically2 1,483 Posted December 26, 2021 Share Posted December 26, 2021 1 hour ago, Terry Hollis said: It was not the boat handling error that finished them, it was bad structural design, the other teams had similar "handling errors" and the able to continue sailing. You cannot possibly conclude that because other boats had similar handling errors in similar conditions and survived that it was a structural design issue. Anyone who has raced competitively will have know almost identical errors in as close as can be judges the same conditions with totally different outcomes. And I don't recall anyone else doing anything else remotely similar anyway 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
dg_sailingfan 70 Posted December 26, 2021 Share Posted December 26, 2021 On 12/23/2021 at 7:06 PM, Chobani Sailor said: Very well articulated. Indeed! Frankly, I think American Magic, given the Brits poor Christmas showing, were underestimating them. That was their biggest miscalculation. However, I did say in numerous Threads at that time if there is one Team who is going to make the biggest jump between the ACWS + Christmas Race and the Start of the Prada Cup proper it is going to be INEOS! I was right! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
breezie 95 Posted December 27, 2021 Share Posted December 27, 2021 IMHO AM was not strong enough to start with. My theory is that the rudder judder was caused by twisting her arse. thats why they were unable to find a hydrodynamic solution to it. They were however able to mitigate somewhat by leaving thebackstays done up so that some of this twisting was resisted by the rig. not releasing thebackstays made the upset worse 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Mr. Squirrel 120 Posted December 28, 2021 Share Posted December 28, 2021 21 hours ago, breezie said: IMHO AM was not strong enough to start with. My theory is that the rudder judder was caused by twisting her arse. thats why they were unable to find a hydrodynamic solution to it. They were however able to mitigate somewhat by leaving thebackstays done up so that some of this twisting was resisted by the rig. not releasing thebackstays made the upset worse Do you understand the backstays are on hydraulic actuators? They arent like a rope backstays that can be eased nearly as much as needed. The hydraulic cylinders/actuators only have so much travel and when that travel is used up, bad shit can happen. They eased the backstay as much as they could. Unfortunately it wasnt enough. MS Quote Link to post Share on other sites
breezie 95 Posted December 28, 2021 Share Posted December 28, 2021 52 minutes ago, Mr. Squirrel said: Do you understand the backstays are on hydraulic actuators? They arent like a rope backstays that can be eased nearly as much as needed. The hydraulic cylinders/actuators only have so much travel and when that travel is used up, bad shit can happen. They eased the backstay as much as they could. Unfortunately it wasnt enough. MS well the video of the crash does not [appear to] support that but you could be correct. maby you have some source confirming that the backstay was released, what is undeniable is that as she reared up the main was constrained by the backstay and that had to make the crash worse. I would still really like to understand how the rudder judder was being sustained Quote Link to post Share on other sites
chesirecat 721 Posted December 28, 2021 Share Posted December 28, 2021 On another note have they actually entered and paid up, or don't they have a challenging club they can enter under or worse, funding shortfall. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Monkey 2,378 Posted December 28, 2021 Share Posted December 28, 2021 9 hours ago, breezie said: well the video of the crash does not [appear to] support that but you could be correct. maby you have some source confirming that the backstay was released, what is undeniable is that as she reared up the main was constrained by the backstay and that had to make the crash worse. I would still really like to understand how the rudder judder was being sustained I don’t have a link because it was awhile ago, but in a post crash press conference, TH specifically said they let out every bit of travel in the hydraulic ram. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jmh2002 65 Posted December 28, 2021 Share Posted December 28, 2021 4 hours ago, Monkey said: I don’t have a link because it was awhile ago, but in a post crash press conference, TH specifically said they let out every bit of travel in the hydraulic ram. Yeah, it was discussed by Ken Read during commentary too. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Stingray~ 2,280 Posted January 5 Share Posted January 5 An interview with TH, audio podcast. https://www.sailmagazine.com/web-exclusives/point-of-sail-five-time-americas-cup-sailor-terry-hutchinson He talks some on AC37 during the first 5 minutes and possibly later too. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
E2nO 9 Posted January 6 Share Posted January 6 They are back (presumably): https://www.sail-world.com/news/245322/NYYC-expected-to-announce-Cup-entry-in-a-few-hours 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Stingray~ 2,280 Posted January 6 Share Posted January 6 8 minutes ago, E2nO said: They are back (presumably): https://www.sail-world.com/news/245322/NYYC-expected-to-announce-Cup-entry-in-a-few-hours Cool if it happens. Hopefully 'S+S' has nothing whatsoever to do with it.. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Stingray~ 2,280 Posted January 7 Share Posted January 7 2 hours ago, E2nO said: They are back (presumably): https://www.sail-world.com/news/245322/NYYC-expected-to-announce-Cup-entry-in-a-few-hours That post was by RG, who often gets his messages from GD. Forgive me but while I do expect AM will enter I am not holding my breath on the timing of this.. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
NeedAClew 1,786 Posted January 7 Share Posted January 7 Is there going to be ONE team in the AC37 shitshow that doesn't fall over its own feet getting out of their clowncar? AM's Liz Taylor-Richard Burton divorce and remarriage with NYYC The team maybe known as ETNZ venue que$t Not sure what crises Ineos has... But maybe EB is just counting his money and planning his next defense.... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
terrafirma 1,341 Posted January 7 Share Posted January 7 6 hours ago, Stingray~ said: 8 hours ago, E2nO said: They are back (presumably): https://www.sail-world.com/news/245322/NYYC-expected-to-announce-Cup-entry-in-a-few-hours That post was by RG, who often gets his messages from GD. Forgive me but while I do expect AM will enter I am not holding my breath on the timing of this.. Yeah so much for the announcement within hours.? LOL Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Stingray~ 2,280 Posted January 7 Share Posted January 7 Bingo New York Yacht Club to challenge for 37th America’s Cup with American Magic - What's Up Newp (whatsupnewp.com) Earlier this week the Trustees of the New York Yacht Club approved a challenge for the 37th edition of the America’s Cup, sailing’s most prestigious trophy. “We are extremely excited to continue our quest to regain the America’s Cup with American Magic,” says Paul M. Zabetakis, M.D., Commodore of the New York Yacht Club (at right). “Upon receiving the Protocol for the 37th Match, we were pleased to find that it contains elements advocated for by the Club last spring. In addition, the Executive Committee recently received a new proposal from Doug DeVos and Hap Fauth, American Magic principals and Club members, that warranted reconsidering our earlier decision to pause our pursuit of AC37.” 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
yoyoboy 5 Posted January 7 Share Posted January 7 It's official! AM back with NYYC https://mailchi.mp/98e6924bacf5/video-a-life-of-commitment-and-a-first-race-11266955?e=3e510a2756 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Stingray~ 2,280 Posted January 7 Share Posted January 7 Same but posted at NYYC New York Yacht Club to Challenge for 37th America’s Cup with American Magic - News - New York Yacht Club (nyyc.org) 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
TPG 229 Posted January 7 Share Posted January 7 On 10/23/2021 at 1:53 AM, Gissie said: They are the pinicale of inshore racing yachts as long as you believe inshore racing should be only within very limited wind ranges and no waves. Wouldn't get much racing done if you lived in Christchurch or Wellington, that's for sure. 'Hi guys, I know we were taking the pinicale out to show those lead mines, but it's gusting up to 23kts so a bit dangerous. Yeah, I know the opti's are going out, but they are not the pinicale, we are. Let you know when we plan on racing next. Weather looks good in about 13 weeks.' The only race boat that would need 11 discards for a 12 race series. Its adorable NYYC and AM kissed and made up. Now if they were to win the cup, where exactly do they think they're going to race? Going oldschool and sailing out front in Newport isn't possible unless they wanted to add some new carbon dive sites. Inside the bay would be a crap show. I suppose they'll ship it off to NYC where nobody will care? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
NeedAClew 1,786 Posted January 7 Share Posted January 7 They decided because if they win they are assured of a White House visit. Maybe have to wait till 2025 tho. RWNJ team Amerika. Maybe they can get MyPillow as a sponsor, TV won't run ads but sail space available. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Chobani Sailor 199 Posted January 7 Share Posted January 7 Looks like this is one of the "big" changes coming out from NYYC leakers - someone from the Kevin Shoebridge upbringing - Tyson Lamond is in charge of American Magic Operations: old article - https://www.sailingscuttlebutt.com/2014/02/13/seven-tips-becoming-sailing-professional/ This would put HF's Rob Ouellette out as COO. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
XPRO 213 Posted January 7 Share Posted January 7 NYYC and AM are starting to look like Bobby and Whitney.... And good for Tyson. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
accnick 1,747 Posted January 8 Share Posted January 8 1 hour ago, Chobani Sailor said: Looks like this is one of the "big" changes coming out from NYYC leakers - someone from the Kevin Shoebridge upbringing - Tyson Lamond is in charge of American Magic Operations: old article - https://www.sailingscuttlebutt.com/2014/02/13/seven-tips-becoming-sailing-professional/ This would put HF's Rob Ouellette out as COO. Tyson is a good guy, and has paid some dues in the trenches. He also has the right attitude for the job. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
pusslicker 664 Posted January 8 Share Posted January 8 1 hour ago, XPRO said: NYYC and AM are starting to look like Bobby and Whitney.... And good for Tyson. Was the crash in the last AC the OD in the bathtub? Or is that yet to come? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
NeedAClew 1,786 Posted January 8 Share Posted January 8 The last AC was Whitney,the next is Bobbi Kristina. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
shebeen 478 Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 On 10/20/2021 at 2:42 PM, Admiral Hornblower said: American Magic needs it own thread now that the NYYC team is no more Did not think this would turn around so quickly. Tom Slingsby to drive the boat. Otherwise Goodie. Surely not Deano, as TH won't be on it as a part time grinder either so they can sit on the chase boat together 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
NeedAClew 1,786 Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 Fauth and DeVos offered upfront funding and a commitment to a multiple cycles. They apparently did not want S+S at any price. See fp screenshots I posted in the NYYC thread or go look. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
nroose 278 Posted January 10 Share Posted January 10 Will be interesting to see this effort come to pass! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Schakel 262 Posted January 10 Share Posted January 10 On 1/8/2022 at 1:35 AM, pusslicker said: Was the crash in the last AC the OD in the bathtub? Or is that yet to come? Ha ha, The infamous LEQ 12 yacht will provide for that. It's a big bathtub, to make a real towing test better scale it down to two meters or so. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
yoyoboy 5 Posted January 10 Share Posted January 10 13 hours ago, Schakel said: Ha ha, The infamous LEQ 12 yacht will provide for that. It's a big bathtub, to make a real towing test better scale it down to two meters or so. How about you stick on some skinny poles or extensions to make the thing over 12M long.... Test away Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Schakel 262 Posted January 11 Share Posted January 11 5 hours ago, yoyoboy said: How about you stick on some skinny poles or extensions to make the thing over 12M long.... Test away Pretty curious how this LEQ12 yacht will look like. Here is a suggestion: Strange, I have seen foil testing in a towing tank and it's been done foil by foil. Anyway towing tank test technology is something better discussed in a laboratory where it belongs. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Schakel 262 Posted January 11 Share Posted January 11 Strangely enough towing tank test are forbidden, so they build a life platform that does about the same thing. But not quitte the same. I saw the movie Wind, fictional Australia win vaguely based on Australia 2 win in 1983. In that movie they do towing test in a river, primitive but effective, this is about the same thing. https://www.imdb.com/video/vi1860305177?playlistId=tt0105824&ref_=tt_ov_vi Quote Link to post Share on other sites
nroose 278 Posted January 12 Share Posted January 12 On 1/10/2022 at 12:18 PM, yoyoboy said: How about you stick on some skinny poles or extensions to make the thing over 12M long.... Test away Uh, I think the rule says anything that is analogous to a test platform is limited. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
enigmatically2 1,483 Posted January 12 Share Posted January 12 3 hours ago, nroose said: Uh, I think the rule says anything that is analogous to a test platform is limited. It does. You can use your AC75 (but then it counts from your meagre allowance); your LEQ12 (separate allowance) or Ac40 ( if within the AC40 rule then that allowance, else counts from you AC75 allowance. Nothing else allowed (apart from simulation) Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Chobani Sailor 199 Posted January 12 Share Posted January 12 On 12/21/2021 at 7:59 AM, dg_sailingfan said: That is just BALONEY! They are not linking with the NYYC!!! Sorry to say it but this response didn't age well. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
accnick 1,747 Posted January 12 Share Posted January 12 18 minutes ago, Chobani Sailor said: Sorry to say it but this response didn't age well. Well, if you assume the opposite of what he says is correct, you will be right more often than not. 4 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
enigmatically2 1,483 Posted January 12 Share Posted January 12 2 hours ago, accnick said: Well, if you assume the opposite of what he says is correct, you will be right more often than not. And if he agrees with 4 then you can put your house on them both being wrong 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Monkey 2,378 Posted January 13 Share Posted January 13 6 hours ago, enigmatically2 said: And if he agrees with 4 then you can put your house on them both being wrong Have there been any occasions where dumb and dumber actually agreed? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
dg_sailingfan 70 Posted January 13 Share Posted January 13 From a new Article by Richard Gladwell Sail-World understands that one America's Cup team has been trying to get access into Auckland to start sailing in September, this year. However all entry applications have been declined - an action which confirms that Auckland cannot stage the 2024 event. All teams, including the holders can start sailing from from September 17, 2022, and new teams can start sailing Version 1 AC75's in five months from June 17, 2022. It looks like American Magic was the Team who tried to again access to Auckland since they have still their Boats down there. Really stupid move by Terry Hutchinson not to ship their Equipment back to the States. They gambled on that AC37 would be held in Auckland. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Forourselves 1,691 Posted January 13 Share Posted January 13 8 hours ago, enigmatically2 said: And if he agrees with 4 then you can put your house on them both being wrong But then again the UK punches above its weight right? 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Forourselves 1,691 Posted January 13 Share Posted January 13 1 hour ago, Monkey said: Have there been any occasions where dumb and dumber actually agreed? Yep, happens every time someone agrees with you. Come on. You walked into that one. Are you dumb? or dumber? or just dumbest. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
NeedAClew 1,786 Posted January 13 Share Posted January 13 Can't they just hire NZ people under NDA to ship their crap home? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Chobani Sailor 199 Posted January 13 Share Posted January 13 12 hours ago, dg_sailingfan said: From a new Article by Richard Gladwell Sail-World understands that one America's Cup team has been trying to get access into Auckland to start sailing in September, this year. However all entry applications have been declined - an action which confirms that Auckland cannot stage the 2024 event. All teams, including the holders can start sailing from from September 17, 2022, and new teams can start sailing Version 1 AC75's in five months from June 17, 2022. It looks like American Magic was the Team who tried to again access to Auckland since they have still their Boats down there. Really stupid move by Terry Hutchinson not to ship their Equipment back to the States. They gambled on that AC37 would be held in Auckland. They had a handful of Kiwis employed on their team so shouldn't be too difficult to truck everything over to the port and ship it to the States. Their stuff was mostly Baytex tents anyways. If you can't sail until September they have plenty of time to get everything "home" Plus they don't really have a home in the States - RI six months, FL six months. Can't really sail in Florida in September and October during the heart of the hurricane season and seems silly to sail in RI for September and October and then ship everything to Florida. California is the ideal location for a US based America's Cup team. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
floater 696 Posted January 13 Share Posted January 13 Long Beach? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Fiji Bitter 1,976 Posted January 13 Share Posted January 13 (edited) Just now, floater said: Long Beach? A floater fun fact! Shitseeker for asswipe? Edited January 13 by Fiji Bitter Shit Quote Link to post Share on other sites
pusslicker 664 Posted January 13 Share Posted January 13 18 hours ago, dg_sailingfan said: From a new Article by Richard Gladwell Really stupid move by Terry Hutchinson not to ship their Equipment back to the States. They gambled on that AC37 would be held in Auckland. Who knew our peerless Kiwi friends would completely sell out? Having said that, why wouldn't they just pick up a phone and have all the shit sent home since it doesn't look like we will have a venue for years? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
The_Alchemist 1,433 Posted January 13 Share Posted January 13 18 hours ago, dg_sailingfan said: From a new Article by Richard Gladwell Sail-World understands that one America's Cup team has been trying to get access into Auckland to start sailing in September, this year. However all entry applications have been declined - an action which confirms that Auckland cannot stage the 2024 event. All teams, including the holders can start sailing from from September 17, 2022, and new teams can start sailing Version 1 AC75's in five months from June 17, 2022. It looks like American Magic was the Team who tried to again access to Auckland since they have still their Boats down there. Really stupid move by Terry Hutchinson not to ship their Equipment back to the States. They gambled on that AC37 would be held in Auckland. This sounds like BS. How can they already deny access for September when it is only January? I can see then putting it on hold until a later date for review, but it would seems ridiculous for them to deny it 9-10 months in advance... 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
dg_sailingfan 70 Posted January 13 Share Posted January 13 35 minutes ago, The_Alchemist said: This sounds like BS. How can they already deny access for September when it is only January? I can see then putting it on hold until a later date for review, but it would seems ridiculous for them to deny it 9-10 months in advance... They denied the Applicants for SailGP, which was slated in January 2022 in July 2021. It makes sense. With this Government anything is possible. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
nroose 278 Posted January 13 Share Posted January 13 1 hour ago, The_Alchemist said: This sounds like BS. How can they already deny access for September when it is only January? I can see then putting it on hold until a later date for review, but it would seems ridiculous for them to deny it 9-10 months in advance... They want access so that they can get their stuff and put it somewhere else and get it ready so that they can actually be sailing in September. Perhaps it's more time than they really need, but if they have a lot of stuff and they want to do some boatbuilding on/with it between now and then, it's not all that long. And probably they have the time to do it (and maybe nothing else to do) now and may not later. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Stingray~ 2,280 Posted January 14 Share Posted January 14 2 hours ago, The_Alchemist said: This sounds like BS. How can they already deny access for September when it is only January? I can see then putting it on hold until a later date for review, but it would seems ridiculous for them to deny it 9-10 months in advance... It's just RG, sucking, at straws, to make, excuses for, GD as usual. Yawn..... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
rh3000 1,883 Posted January 14 Share Posted January 14 8 hours ago, Stingray~ said: It's just RG, sucking, at straws, to make, excuses for, GD as usual. Yawn..... As opposed to TE, farting, at seniles, to make, gristle for, TE as usual. Yawn.... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
dogwatch 1,318 Posted January 14 Share Posted January 14 Sail-World understands that one America's Cup team has been trying to get access into Auckland to start sailing in September, this year. However all entry applications have been declined - an action which confirms that Auckland cannot stage the 2024 event........interestingly, the (Malaga) Mayor Francisco de la Torre "has asserted that some of the Cup teams could begin to settle in the city between the end of 2022 and the beginning of 2023. So not being able to get permission at this moment to be in Auckland in September rules it out as a venue whereas the possibility of being in Malaga by Dec 22 or Jan 23 is just fine. Gladwell either has straw between his ears or is happy to presume that his readers do. On the subject of Gladwell, calling your book on AC36 "Gulf Wars" is also the act of a Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Gissie 1,758 Posted January 15 Share Posted January 15 17 hours ago, dogwatch said: Sail-World understands that one America's Cup team has been trying to get access into Auckland to start sailing in September, this year. However all entry applications have been declined - an action which confirms that Auckland cannot stage the 2024 event........interestingly, the (Malaga) Mayor Francisco de la Torre "has asserted that some of the Cup teams could begin to settle in the city between the end of 2022 and the beginning of 2023. So not being able to get permission at this moment to be in Auckland in September rules it out as a venue whereas the possibility of being in Malaga by Dec 22 or Jan 23 is just fine. Gladwell either has straw between his ears or is happy to presume that his readers do. On the subject of Gladwell, calling your book on AC36 "Gulf Wars" is also the act of a
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