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Just now, Raz'r said:

Unlike many, I can see why Kyle was afraid, but I also believe his own actions put himself in that position. Due to that, his decisions should weigh on his responsibilities. He killed 2 and injured another. Was there shared responsibility? Hell yeah, the victims didn't have to be there, either.

 

He may get off 100% for "self defense" given how the statute is written. I think that statute is wrong. I'd say even the judge thinks the same, or he wouldn't have offered up lower-level crime options to the jury.

 

If he was unarmed and attempted to stop violence crazed liberals from burning down the town he would have been killed 

 

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Ha ha ha, Americanos and their gun nutz, your gun culture is fucked. 

The fact that a young punk can present himself at a riot, parade around with an illegal assault rifle, shoots three people - (surprise surprise) and can reasonably be expect to be acquitted on grounds

I have to say that I regard anyone with a gun on their hip or slung over their shoulder walking around in public as being a threat to my life. I now include police in this generalization; I used to gi

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2 minutes ago, Raz'r said:

Hell yeah, the victims didn't have to be there, either.

 

He may get off 100% for "self defense" given how the statute is written. I think that statute is wrong. I'd say even the judge thinks the same, or he wouldn't have offered up lower-level crime options to the jury.

 

The prosecution made the decision to include the lesser crimes.

The Pedo didn't have to chase after Kyle.  

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11 minutes ago, Raz'r said:
14 minutes ago, Voyageur said:

A well regulated militia, is not KR stalking demonstrators with a "scary black rifle". dumdfuck thought that people would run away if he pointed the weapon at them. if you point a gun at a person, you better be ready for what could happen.

They way the statute is written, i can point a scary weapon at you, as long as I point it away and disengage for a bit. If you come after me, then I can shoot you. 

That's not right. 

The way the statute is written, the other guy can shoot you, too.

- DSK

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10 minutes ago, slug zitski said:

If he was unarmed and attempted to stop violence crazed liberals from burning down the town he would have been killed 

 

There were unarmed people there, attempting to stop "violence crazed liberals from burning down the town". 

How many were killed?

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41 minutes ago, jzk said:

Yes, I was corrected.  Thanks again.  

I fully understand the problems with the police.  That is why it might not be all that bad to just let the citizens protect themselves.  But it has to be one or the other or some combination thereof.  It can't be neither.  

Sounds like a recipe for some serious bloodshed.

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I'm not about to look back through all the BS on this thread so this might have been asked already;

What would all the defenders of this kid here have had to say if one of the lefty scum rioters had shot & killed Rittenhouse?

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1 minute ago, SloopJonB said:

I'm not about to look back through all the BS on this thread so this might have been asked already;

What would all the defenders of this kid here have had to say if one of the lefty scum rioters had shot & killed Rittenhouse?

Then set fire to him?

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2 hours ago, The Joker said:

Razer claimed in an earlier post there was actual testimony that he said “I’m going to look for some more action.”   
now he is repeating that claim.  
 
That is the cite I’m waiting to read. 

Yep I got that tho he backed away from it being "testimony."

It appears, to me at least, that that photo looks like he's looking for action. I'm betting the jury sees it that way too. He's not walking out of this. He joins the Nazis in a prison gang to stay alive but his butt gets busted either way. 

The kid is a poster boy for the coming confrontation.

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26 minutes ago, Bus Driver said:

There were unarmed people there, attempting to stop "violence crazed liberals from burning down the town". 

How many were killed?

During the liberal riots 30 people were killed, 1000s maimed , injured including 1000 police officers 

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2 minutes ago, Blue Crab said:

 He joins the Nazis in a prison gang to stay alive but his butt gets busted either way. 

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I understand the first thing that happens is his front teeth get knocked out so he can't bite.

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4 minutes ago, SloopJonB said:

I understand the first thing that happens is his front teeth get knocked out so he can't bite.

Sure are some sick fucking people on this forum.  If I recall correctly, this is the same sick fuck that advocates making ivermectin toxic to humans, so that it harms them.

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5 minutes ago, SloopJonB said:

I understand the first thing that happens is his front teeth get knocked out so he can't bite.

I'm not a fan of the prison situation. Forced sex is an 8th A violation in my eyes, not to overlook living with the constant fear, pain and intimidation. There's no redeeming social value with this punk ass so I'm not crying for him. When I'm king, convicted felons will have the option of serving a long sentence or being euthanized. The second time? What second time?

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29 minutes ago, slug zitski said:

During the liberal riots 30 people were killed, 1000s maimed , injured including 1000 police officers 

Yeah, I know what you mean. In the Bay Area alone, 5 police officers were shot, two of whom died. Pence even mentioned this in his RNC speech. The only problem is that they were murdered by a Boogaloo Boi and Air Force security sergeant, Steven Carrillo, in a false flag attack. Pence failed to mention this, although Carrillo had already been in custody for more than a month.

It's called lying.

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3 hours ago, jzk said:

Everyone knows that if you walk around in public, you lose your right to self defense.

Everyone Knows (well at least the sane/rational ones) that if you walk down the middle of the street, holding a loaded long gun while walking towards a distressed group of people, You might just end up dead...  No???  

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1 minute ago, shaggy said:

Everyone Knows (well at least the sane/rational ones) that if you walk down the middle of the street, holding a loaded long gun while walking towards a distressed group of people, You might just end up dead...  No???  

This is like saying everyone knows that if you walk into a bad neighborhood, you might just end up dead.  

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3 minutes ago, shaggy said:

Everyone Knows (well at least the sane/rational ones) that if you walk down the middle of the street, holding a loaded long gun while walking towards a distressed group of people, You might just end up dead...  No???  

This is the whole case in a nutshell. 

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2 minutes ago, jzk said:

This is like saying everyone knows that if you walk into a bad neighborhood, you might just end up dead.  

Hence the reason I tend to avoid "Bad neighborhoods". 

It aint that hard...  

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39 minutes ago, slug zitski said:

During the liberal riots 30 people were killed, 1000s maimed , injured including 1000 police officers 

^ a fuckin' lie ^

Did something bad happen to you, sluggo? You used to seem like you had much better sense

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12 minutes ago, Steam Flyer said:

You used to seem like you had much better sense

Re "liberal riots" . . .  

Our city was typical in its BLM protests - we had polite and respectful police escorts. 

They made it clear that they were on our side. 

The US R-R-e-e-i--ic-h just has to lie about everything. 

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18 minutes ago, BravoBravo said:
39 minutes ago, shaggy said:

Everyone Knows (well at least the sane/rational ones) that if you walk down the middle of the street, holding a loaded long gun while walking towards a distressed group of people, You might just end up dead...  No???  

2 didn't

Which 2 walked "down the middle of the street, holding a loaded long gun"?

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8 minutes ago, Burning Man said:

Oh, please do tell......

Just to be a nice guy, I’ll do Cal a favor and give him an easy out he can use. Technically, most of this thread is about one particular rifle. Rifles are illegal to conceal carry in Wisconsin. 

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6 hours ago, Sol Rosenberg said:

The judge will toss it if that happens. 

 I'd guess if it's a murder conviction that would be highly likely, but if it's a lesser-included reckless endangerment maybe not, as another trial would be putting Kyle once again on the hook for the whole enchilada. 

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Just now, Mark K said:

 I'd guess if it's a murder conviction that would be highly likely, but if it's a lesser-included reckless endangerment maybe not, as another trial would be putting Kyle once again on the hook for the whole enchilada. 

He is taking the motions under advisement to give the jury a chance to end it all with an acquittal, with no chance of being retried, but you could be right. He could grant the motion for mistrial with prejudice and end it all as well. It could go any number of ways, but it is protected from going in a way that results in serious criminal culpability. 

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16 hours ago, Burning Man said:

If there are still threats there, I would say that a CCW class would tell you to get to safety and turn yourself in.  

Pretty much textbook is what KR.

Was there someone threatening him at the scene of the first shooting? 

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32 minutes ago, Sol Rosenberg said:

He is taking the motions under advisement to give the jury a chance to end it all with an acquittal, with no chance of being retried, but you could be right. He could grant the motion for mistrial with prejudice and end it all as well. It could go any number of ways, but it is protected from going in a way that results in serious criminal culpability. 

   He won't have to make a damn fool of himself to keep a white boy out of jail as this judge did, that's for sure. 

 https://www.crimeonline.com/2021/11/18/victim-cries-throws-up-in-court-as-judge-refuses-to-jail-wealthy-teen-who-raped-4-different-girls/

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Just now, Mark K said:

   He won't have to make a damn fool of himself to keep a white boy out of jail as this judge did, that's for sure. 

 https://www.crimeonline.com/2021/11/18/victim-cries-throws-up-in-court-as-judge-refuses-to-jail-wealthy-teen-who-raped-4-different-girls/

Is that judge elected?

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5 hours ago, Raz'r said:

I made no claim to the illegal gun charge. That's your imagination. 

And I cannot find the article where one of the boys in the car lot stated Kyle was looking for more action and the guy said to go for it. Still looking. It was not testimony. 

You responded to jzk about an "illegal" gun. If I misinterpreted your post, I apologise.

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20 minutes ago, Mark K said:

   He won't have to make a damn fool of himself to keep a white boy out of jail as this judge did, that's for sure. 

 https://www.crimeonline.com/2021/11/18/victim-cries-throws-up-in-court-as-judge-refuses-to-jail-wealthy-teen-who-raped-4-different-girls/

Affluenza really owns the libs. 

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26 minutes ago, F_L said:

You responded to jzk about an "illegal" gun. If I misinterpreted your post, I apologise.

No worries, my writing skills are lacking in accuracy, quite often unfortunately....

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13 minutes ago, Sol Rosenberg said:

Affluenza really owns the libs. 

 

33 minutes ago, Mark K said:

   He won't have to make a damn fool of himself to keep a white boy out of jail as this judge did, that's for sure. 

 https://www.crimeonline.com/2021/11/18/victim-cries-throws-up-in-court-as-judge-refuses-to-jail-wealthy-teen-who-raped-4-different-girls/

Personal responsibility is for the poor, the folks of color and the wimin-folk. 

Not the white boys who have parents that throw drug/alcohol parties for the kids...

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4 hours ago, SloopJonB said:

I'm not about to look back through all the BS on this thread so this might have been asked already;

What would all the defenders of this kid here have had to say if one of the lefty scum rioters had shot & killed Rittenhouse?

Depends. If he'd pointed his rifle at a person who wasn't actively threatening him and then got shot, I'd be saying tough shit. You asked for it.

Guns aren't toys. Point a gun at me unprovoked, I take that as a deadly threat. What happens after that is a chain of events you initiated.

I taught all my children that you never, ever point a gun at another person. They got shit for doing it with play guns with friends growing up. The other parents often couldn't see what the issue was, but mostly they also didn't own guns. It's a subject I really didn't (and don't) have any SOH about.

FKT

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14 minutes ago, roundthebuoys said:

While we all wait for a verdict that no one really cares about and then to find out about who will riot because of said verdict.  It's a good time to remind DJizzy that there are a) police and b) insurance companies.

Carry on

I think Jiz needs to get out there and protect that car lot.

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43 minutes ago, roundthebuoys said:

While we all wait for a verdict that no one really cares about and then to find out about who will riot because of said verdict.  It's a good time to remind DJizzy that there are a) police and b) insurance companies.

Carry on

It seems that most insurance doesn't cover arson.  So those brown immigrants are fucked.

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11 minutes ago, roundthebuoys said:

floors the inventory

Wow, haven't heard the term since whenever.  Surprised it is still a practice with the way product distribution and leaner inventory models have improved over the years.

I think car dealerships may still do it 

 

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1 minute ago, Ventucky Red said:

Wow, haven't heard the term since whenever.  Surprised it is still a practice with the way product distribution and leaner inventory models have improved over the years.

I think car dealerships may still do it 

 

And RV's and boats

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5 minutes ago, Sol Rosenberg said:

 

Could they trust him not to sob like Boehner?

 

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On 11/17/2021 at 6:04 PM, Bus Driver said:

I have been watching this play out and have been stunned at how many times someone alleges he transported the gun across state lines.  The Joker has consistently called out that lie.  Yet, it persists.

Why?

Why?  Because anything else destroys the already ingrained narrative.  Steam Liar seems to be the worst at this, doing it deliberately me thinks.

It also is indicative of the human trait to believe something if it's repeated enough times.  The vast majority of people, IMHO, are just too lazy to try to verify the accuracy of something that is stated as "fact" by looking at multiple, disparate news sources to compare/corroborate.  If something is repeated enough times, it becomes as good as a "fact" regardless of how many times it is debunked 

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On 11/17/2021 at 6:06 PM, Steam Flyer said:

-if- there are laws about carrying a firearm across state lines, the he certainly did circumvent them by staging the gun. He did live in a different state and did cross himself, and did have possession of the firearm later that same day, nyet?

Think it all the way thru.

Of course, this particular little trick is not part of the evidence being considered by the court, but it's extremely relevant in the whole picture. Kyle went hunting people. That's not self-defense.

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"Staged" it across state lines?  You mean like @badlatitude did with his assault rifle to circumvent CA state laws?  

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On 11/17/2021 at 6:17 PM, Monkey said:

The idiot wasn’t “staging” it, he was keeping it where he was allowed to. You’re acting like this dumb ass muppet is some kind of criminal mastermind. 
 

Oh yeah, that most definitely sounds exactly like what @badlatitude did with his assault rifle.  Keep it where you are allowed to, all the while decrying people who not only just possess assault rifles, but circumvent laws to possess them.  

They have a picture of BL next to the word Hypocrite in Webster's dickshionary.  

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1 minute ago, Burning Man said:

"Staged" it across state lines?  You mean like @badlatitude did with his assault rifle to circumvent CA state laws?  

KR and Black circumvented a few laws, that’s been the point of the last several posts.  No one here thinks he transported it himself anymore, at least for the last several pages.

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13 hours ago, ShortForBob said:

The video, which was shown to the jury during prosecutors' closing statements on Monday, is key to their argument that Rittenhouse provoked the encounter with Rosenbaum by pointing his AR-15-style rifle near him, prompting him to chase Rittenhouse. Rittenhouse testified that he feared Rosenbaum would steal his gun and use it to shoot him.

Pointing a gun "near" someone is not the same as pointing a gun AT him.  

Right @jocal505?  In your own words, you pointed your gun "near" the meth head in your yard and shot an innocent stump right next to him instead. 

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13 hours ago, ShortForBob said:
14 hours ago, BravoBravo said:

KR claimed he never pointed the gun at anyone other than the moments he actually fired 

Looks like he might have lied.

Can you or anyone else provide a freeze frame from the drone video (Or provide a time stamp) of the moment he pointed a gun "near" or at someone?  The only time on the video clips the various news showed was when he was already being chased through the parking lot.  

IF that is the incident, then that is not intimidation or threatening.  If you are being chased or otherwise attacked, you are more than legally allowed to point your firearm at them in an attempt to stop the threat.  If shooting someone in Self-defense is allowed, and it is, then you HAVE to point your gun at them first.  If the act of pointing it causes the threat to cease, then you still have exercised your right to SD.  

And no, before some jackass chimes in here - no that is not the same as "brandishing".  

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13 hours ago, chum said:

Just that stray rounds are likely to carry much further than some other choices that would have done as well at that range. Just talking about liability.

Still disagree.  What other weapon did you have in mind.  Any pistol round in that urban environment is going to go about as far, unless you're shooting up into the air.  Plus the .223 round has more tendency to deform and fragment when it hits stuff like a wall (or a bicep:P), making it less dangerous to anyone on the other side.  

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12 hours ago, Blue Crab said:
12 hours ago, Keith said:

Anyone deliberately rushing into in a riot with a firearm is a fucking moron, as is obvious.

And self-defense goes out the window.

You're talking about Groznekroutz (sp?) right?

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33 minutes ago, Burning Man said:

Can you or anyone else provide a freeze frame from the drone video (Or provide a time stamp) of the moment he pointed a gun "near" or at someone?  The only time on the video clips the various news showed was when he was already being chased through the parking lot.  

IF that is the incident, then that is not intimidation or threatening.  If you are being chased or otherwise attacked, you are more than legally allowed to point your firearm at them in an attempt to stop the threat.  If shooting someone in Self-defense is allowed, and it is, then you HAVE to point your gun at them first.  If the act of pointing it causes the threat to cease, then you still have exercised your right to SD.  

And no, before some jackass chimes in here - no that is not the same as "brandishing".  

Well here it is, of course.  

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58 minutes ago, chum said:

So, given the same angle or elevation of the barrel a pistol round is going to carry as far as a rifle round, assuming  neither hits anything first? They were out in the open.

Dumb Chum, a 9mm has a muzzle velocity of about 1250 fps. A .223 has a muzzle velocity of about 3100 fps. No, the rifle round is going to go a LOT farther, about 6.1 times farther.

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Notice that's velocity squared. That means you multiply the velocity times the velocity. 3100^2 / 1250^2 is about 6.1 on my slide rule.

Remember, gun nuts are supposed to actually know something about guns. Full disclosure: I paid attention in school.

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The fact that a young punk can present himself at a riot, parade around with an illegal assault rifle, shoots three people - (surprise surprise) and can reasonably be expect to be acquitted on grounds of self defense, is a bizarre concept in every civilized jurisdiction except the US. Ye are really, really fucked up over there.

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1 hour ago, Olsonist said:

Dumb Chum, a 9mm

@chum  The Chumster might have done just a tad of studying-up before posting that, 

to save himself considerable embarrassment. 

But that would be so out of character for him. 

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2 hours ago, Olsonist said:

Dumb Chum, a 9mm has a muzzle velocity of about 1250 fps. A .223 has a muzzle velocity of about 3100 fps. No, the rifle round is going to go a LOT farther, about 6.1 times farther.

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Notice that's velocity squared. That means you multiply the velocity times the velocity. 3100^2 / 1250^2 is about 6.1 on my slide rule.

Remember, gun nuts are supposed to actually know something about guns. Full disclosure: I paid attention in school.

burning man already addressed that. Given the environment 9mm hadgun & .223 rifle would travel the same distance before something stopped it.

Anyody have the barrel length of the AR? Was it a pistol or a log gun?

You folks are more interested in "gotchas" than what actuallytranspired.

(I've left grammatical errors so you have something to snipe aout)

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Still no verdict

Maybe Rittenhouse was asking Rosenbaum if he needed a drink of water.:rolleyes:

On Wednesday, the jury spent nearly an hour reviewing versions of two crucial videos that captured Rittenhouse's encounter with Joseph Rosenbaum, the initial confrontation that sparked the events that followed on the night of Aug. 25, 2020.

 

One, an infrared video recorded from an FBI surveillance aircraft, shows a crowd milling around a used-car lot as Rosenbaum runs into the frame with Rittenhouse tailing him. The two pause; then Rosenbaum begins to chase Rittenhouse, who then turns to shoot him.

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10 minutes ago, ShortForBob said:

Still no verdict

Maybe Rittenhouse was asking Rosenbaum if he needed a drink of water.:rolleyes:

On Wednesday, the jury spent nearly an hour reviewing versions of two crucial videos that captured Rittenhouse's encounter with Joseph Rosenbaum, the initial confrontation that sparked the events that followed on the night of Aug. 25, 2020.

 

One, an infrared video recorded from an FBI surveillance aircraft, shows a crowd milling around a used-car lot as Rosenbaum runs into the frame with Rittenhouse tailing him. The two pause; then Rosenbaum begins to chase Rittenhouse, who then turns to shoot him.

no link. You stink.

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