Blue Crab 2,467 Posted November 19, 2021 Share Posted November 19, 2021 12 minutes ago, Sol Rosenberg said: Deliberations dragging on a bit… Jury split? Gotta be one or two closet supremacists on the panel. Has to be ... the region is full of them. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jzk 1,735 Posted November 19, 2021 Share Posted November 19, 2021 Just now, Blue Crab said: Gotta be one or two closet supremacists on the panel. Has to be ... the region is full of them. What kind of supremacist? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Raz'r 5,198 Posted November 19, 2021 Share Posted November 19, 2021 Just now, jzk said: What kind of supremacist? The kind fueled by Christian Brothers Brandy Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jzk 1,735 Posted November 19, 2021 Share Posted November 19, 2021 1 minute ago, Raz'r said: The kind fueled by Christian Brothers Brandy How would that affect the jury decision? Is this just some kind of paranoia that you harbor? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
The Joker 540 Posted November 19, 2021 Author Share Posted November 19, 2021 Major mistake to not sequester this jury. They are hearing the threats from the mob that they will burn the town down if he is acquitted small town there has to be some concern by the jury. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
The Joker 540 Posted November 19, 2021 Author Share Posted November 19, 2021 8 minutes ago, Blue Crab said: Gotta be one or two closet supremacists on the panel. Has to be ... the region is full of them. I’d go with the opposite. Couple of liberal hold outs, wanting to punish him for being there with a scary gun. Probably the two woman who wore masks the whole time. Based on the law and evidence it was a solid case for self defense. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
The Joker 540 Posted November 19, 2021 Author Share Posted November 19, 2021 1 minute ago, quod umbra said: Which is about as sad as it gets. That an angry mob can sway a jury emotionally to vote against their conscience. It’s happening. They are on the steps of the court house so loud it can be heard throughout the building. They leave and arrive while the mob is still there. Hell they have to know that the police pulled over a car from MSNBC that was following their bus, trying to film them. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jzk 1,735 Posted November 19, 2021 Share Posted November 19, 2021 Of all the legal commentary I have seen, everyone unanimously agrees it is textbook self defense. Can anyone point to some legal analysis finding the opposite? Anyone with a law degree at all? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Blue Crab 2,467 Posted November 19, 2021 Share Posted November 19, 2021 1 minute ago, The Joker said: I’d go with the opposite. Couple of liberal hold outs, wanting to punish him for being there with a scary gun. Probably the two woman who wore masks the whole time. Based on the law and evidence it was a solid case for self defense. Yep, that too. I read here or somewhere that Kyle was chasing one of them til the guy stopped and began chasing Kyle. From 100% offense to 100% self-defense? Doesn't wash. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jzk 1,735 Posted November 19, 2021 Share Posted November 19, 2021 1 minute ago, Blue Crab said: Yep, that too. I read here or somewhere that Kyle was chasing one of them til the guy stopped and began chasing Kyle. From 100% offense to 100% self-defense? Doesn't wash. If that were true, and Kyle ran away, then he still gets self defense. But it isn't true. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Keith 1,517 Posted November 19, 2021 Share Posted November 19, 2021 https://www.chron.com/news/article/In-Charlottesville-trial-jurors-learn-to-decode-16632986.php "CHARLOTTESVILLE, Va. - The jury in a federal courtroom listened as a longtime researcher of far-right movements parsed the style guide of the infamous neo-Nazi website the Daily Stormer." ""The tone of the site should be light. Most people are not comfortable with material that comes across as vitriolic, raging, nonironic hatred. The unindoctrinated should not be able to tell if we are joking or not," according to a guide section titled "Lulz" - which stands for laugh out loud. Continuing with a derogatory term for Jews, it read, "This is obviously a ploy and I actually do want to gas k---s. But that's neither here nor there."" "This evidence, introduced in an ongoing civil trial against organizers of the deadly 2017 Unite the Right rally in Charlottesville, appeared to highlight a sinister strategy expert witness Pete Simi was trying to teach the jurors: the ways in which white supremacists employ humor to shield their calls for violence, in an effort to render them legally ambiguous." "As jurors consider the plaintiffs' accusation that the rally organizers conspired to foment racial violence, they have been presented with a trove of evidence that includes messages laced with slurs, memes of using cars to run over protesters and calls for cracking skulls. Over the past four weeks, plaintiffs' attorneys have tried to make their case by carefully breaking down the jokes and catchphrases favored by far-right extremists, in an effort to teach jurors how to decode white supremacists' secret vocabulary of hate." "Whether the jury takes this evidence literally or views it as exaggeration is the crux of many arguments in this trial." "The plaintiffs' attorneys have called in experts to help the jury understand what is sinister about the numbers 1488 - which refer to "14 words," a popular white supremacist slogan, and "Heil Hitler," because "H" is the eighth letter of the alphabet. They have translated the phrase "RaHoWa," which may sound like gibberish to outsiders but among hate groups stands for "racial holy war." And they explained how a question that seems innocuous - "Did you see Kyle? - is actually a play on words for the Nazi salute "Sieg Heil."" Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Monkey 2,375 Posted November 19, 2021 Share Posted November 19, 2021 17 minutes ago, The Joker said: Major mistake to not sequester this jury. They are hearing the threats from the mob that they will burn the town down if he is acquitted small town there has to be some concern by the jury. It’s equally stupid that they didn’t move the trial out of Kenosha. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Raz'r 5,198 Posted November 19, 2021 Share Posted November 19, 2021 24 minutes ago, jzk said: How would that affect the jury decision? Is this just some kind of paranoia that you harbor? Have a sense of humor. People will start thinking you’re a democrat. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Raz'r 5,198 Posted November 19, 2021 Share Posted November 19, 2021 10 minutes ago, jzk said: If that were true, and Kyle ran away, then he still gets self defense. But it isn't true. But the law should be changed cause that's fucked up. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Raz'r 5,198 Posted November 19, 2021 Share Posted November 19, 2021 28 minutes ago, The Joker said: Major mistake to not sequester this jury. They are hearing the threats from the mob that they will burn the town down if he is acquitted small town there has to be some concern by the jury. I doubt it. Wouldn't enter my mind at all. Assuming they are locals, which they are by definition, they already know what's going on in their town. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Raz'r 5,198 Posted November 19, 2021 Share Posted November 19, 2021 23 minutes ago, quod umbra said: Which is about as sad as it gets. That an angry mob can sway a jury emotionally to vote against their conscience. Do you know of any? Folks say that, but I don't think there's an example of it ever happening. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Blue Crab 2,467 Posted November 19, 2021 Share Posted November 19, 2021 I'd bet many a jury in the South has been intimidated in just that way by their neighbors. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
The Joker 540 Posted November 19, 2021 Author Share Posted November 19, 2021 29 minutes ago, Monkey said: It’s equally stupid that they didn’t move the trial out of Kenosha. Yep. But I’m sure there would have been objections on a change of venue motion from the prosecution. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Raz'r 5,198 Posted November 19, 2021 Share Posted November 19, 2021 2 minutes ago, Blue Crab said: I'd bet many a jury in the South has been intimidated in just that way by their neighbors. Possibly, but the only answer would be to move venue. Can't see how sequestering somewhere would matter much. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Raz'r 5,198 Posted November 19, 2021 Share Posted November 19, 2021 4 minutes ago, The Joker said: Yep. But I’m sure there would have been objections on a change of venue motion from the prosecution. Doubtful. This prosecutor clearly didn't want this trial. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
AJ Oliver 1,926 Posted November 19, 2021 Share Posted November 19, 2021 55 minutes ago, The Joker said: They are hearing the threats from the mob Well, at least 75% of threats of violence come from while male conservatives . . You seem to be entirely OK with them. And you are lying about Kenosha. Here is a more balanced look at the scene outside the courthouse https://www.kenoshanews.com/news/local/outside-kenosha-courthouse-vocal-groups-await-kyle-rittenhouse-verdict/article_c98bdaeb-3d11-510c-bff8-b36a8d87eb37.html Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Voyageur 531 Posted November 19, 2021 Share Posted November 19, 2021 look at these two attention whores. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bus Driver 6,908 Posted November 19, 2021 Share Posted November 19, 2021 1 minute ago, Voyageur said: look at these two attention whores. Didn't recognize her without the mustard stain. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
AJ Oliver 1,926 Posted November 19, 2021 Share Posted November 19, 2021 4 hours ago, chum said: Really?! Nooooo shit...Lol thanks for the sciency boolit ballistics explanation. I own both platforms and have fired countless rounds from both lol. You mean you own gunz and had weapons training, but don't know that muzzle velocity affects the distance that rounds travel ?? You are a threat to yourself and others. A sane society would disarm you. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
AJ Oliver 1,926 Posted November 19, 2021 Share Posted November 19, 2021 1 hour ago, The Joker said: It’s happening. What's "happening"? You mean armed intimidation by the R-e-e-i-i-c-h ??? https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2021/11/19/2065175/-Ammosexual-Carrying-AR-15-Outside-Kenosha-County-Courthouse-ID-d-As-Former-Ferguson-Police-Officer Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Steam Flyer 8,437 Posted November 19, 2021 Share Posted November 19, 2021 2 hours ago, chum said: Biomed engineers troubleshoot repair and maintain hospital equipment, nothing to do with vaccines. My career in aviation maintenance gave me a huge leg up over the narrow focus of the military trained guys. I am not an anti-vaxxer Glad to hear it, but what was that bunch of posts a couple days back? IMHO military training is the best, but it's also focused on skills/mindsets the military finds useful. The ex-military guys I worked with had the best motivation and the best big-picture view of anybody including the PhD level engineers (many of whom were brilliant). - DSK Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jzk 1,735 Posted November 19, 2021 Share Posted November 19, 2021 48 minutes ago, Raz'r said: But the law should be changed cause that's fucked up. I think you haven't looked into it enough. What if you just want to beat someone up because you are an asshole. So you chase after them. They turn around and pull a knife on you and start coming at you. You run away. You get cornered. Do you have to just submit to the knife guy and be killed? 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Burning Man 1,728 Posted November 19, 2021 Share Posted November 19, 2021 21 hours ago, Bus Driver said: Which 2 walked "down the middle of the street, holding a loaded long gun"? I'm curious.... what's the difference between walking down the street with a loaded LONG gun vs doing the same with a loaded pistol? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Burning Man 1,728 Posted November 19, 2021 Share Posted November 19, 2021 20 hours ago, Mark K said: Was there someone threatening him at the scene of the first shooting? It looked to me like he was being chased by the first shitbag. That seems pretty threatening. Did you see something different? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Keith 1,517 Posted November 19, 2021 Share Posted November 19, 2021 10 hours ago, corkob said: The fact that a young punk can present himself at a riot, parade around with an illegal assault rifle, shoots three people - (surprise surprise) and can reasonably be expect to be acquitted on grounds of self defense, is a bizarre concept in every civilized jurisdiction except the US. Ye are really, really fucked up over there. This sums it up best.... 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Raz'r 5,198 Posted November 19, 2021 Share Posted November 19, 2021 19 minutes ago, jzk said: I think you haven't looked into it enough. What if you just want to beat someone up because you are an asshole. So you chase after them. They turn around and pull a knife on you and start coming at you. You run away. You get cornered. Do you have to just submit to the knife guy and be killed? If you kill them? Yeah, you should have some level of responsibility, absolutely. Maybe manslaughter. Cause if you hadn't attacked, they wouldn't be dead. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jzk 1,735 Posted November 19, 2021 Share Posted November 19, 2021 Just now, Keith said: This sums it up best.... It sums up getting the facts wrong? What was illegal about the rifle? 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Burning Man 1,728 Posted November 19, 2021 Share Posted November 19, 2021 8 hours ago, 00seven said: burning man already addressed that. Given the environment 9mm hadgun & .223 rifle would travel the same distance before something stopped it. Anyody have the barrel length of the AR? Was it a pistol or a log gun? You folks are more interested in "gotchas" than what actuallytranspired. (I've left grammatical errors so you have something to snipe aout) It was a standard 16" carbine length AR. It had a stock, so therefore could not be a pistol. Anything under 16 inches would be considered a short barreled rifle and that would MOST DEFINITELY be illegal unless he went through the Tax stamp BATFE process, which at 17 he could not do. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jzk 1,735 Posted November 19, 2021 Share Posted November 19, 2021 1 minute ago, Raz'r said: If you kill them? Yeah, you should have some level of responsibility, absolutely. Maybe manslaughter. Cause if you hadn't attacked, they wouldn't be dead. Let me put this a different way. If someone attacks you and then at some point runs away, you don't get a free chance to kill them. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Voyageur 531 Posted November 19, 2021 Share Posted November 19, 2021 1 minute ago, jzk said: It sums up getting the facts wrong? What was illegal about the rifle? please tell us if Kyle was legally carrying that day? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jzk 1,735 Posted November 19, 2021 Share Posted November 19, 2021 Just now, Voyageur said: please tell us if Kyle was legally carrying that day? he was legally carrying. 1 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Raz'r 5,198 Posted November 19, 2021 Share Posted November 19, 2021 1 minute ago, jzk said: Let me put this a different way. If someone attacks you and then at some point runs away, you don't get a free chance to kill them. Imagine that's what I suggest. Did I say knife guy has a right to kill you? No. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Raz'r 5,198 Posted November 19, 2021 Share Posted November 19, 2021 1 minute ago, jzk said: he was legally carrying. Cause he was hunting libs. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Keith 1,517 Posted November 19, 2021 Share Posted November 19, 2021 1 minute ago, jzk said: It sums up getting the facts wrong? What was illegal about the rifle? Ill explain it for you. The entire rest of thew world, (that's the part of the world, outside of the USA, that most Americanos never visit), They all watch what continues to happen with the exceptional firearm violence and firearm killings inside your country, and are just simply amazed that it continues on into this present day and age. "Ye are really, really fucked up over there." 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jzk 1,735 Posted November 19, 2021 Share Posted November 19, 2021 7 minutes ago, Raz'r said: Imagine that's what I suggest. Did I say knife guy has a right to kill you? No. So you don't have a right to stop him? You just have to either submit to death or commit a crime? 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
The Joker 540 Posted November 19, 2021 Author Share Posted November 19, 2021 3 minutes ago, Keith said: Ill explain it for you. The entire rest of thew world, (that's the part of the world, outside of the USA, that most Americanos never visit), They all watch what continues to happen with the exceptional firearm violence and firearm killings inside your country, and are just simply amazed that it continues on into this present day and age. "Ye are really, really fucked up over there." How do they feel about looters and rioters openly stealing and destroying while the authorities tell the police to back off? All over a false narrative put out by the lefty media? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jzk 1,735 Posted November 19, 2021 Share Posted November 19, 2021 2 minutes ago, Keith said: Ill explain it for you. The entire rest of thew world, (that's the part of the world, outside of the USA, that most Americanos never visit), They all watch what continues to happen with the exceptional firearm violence and firearm killings inside your country, and are just simply amazed that it continues on into this present day and age. "Ye are really, really fucked up over there." Yet it is still legal to carry that firearm. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Ishmael 10,649 Posted November 19, 2021 Share Posted November 19, 2021 Apparently this guy used to be a lawyer when he was alive. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
roundthebuoys 1,004 Posted November 19, 2021 Share Posted November 19, 2021 1 hour ago, The Joker said: Major mistake to not sequester this jury. They are hearing the threats from the mob that they will burn the town down if he is acquitted small town there has to be some concern by the jury. Now we're getting somewhere. So the "mob" is people hoping for a conviction? And you're obviously hoping for an acquittal so you are on the other side. So who are the other people with you? And who are the other people you are against? Is there a physical distinction between you two, certain clothing, flags, chants? And what parts of the town will be burned down? $1 Stores or Restoration Hardware types? If he's convicted will you and your team burn down something or have Avocado toast in protest or Coal Roll Teslas? And which team will have the benefit of the National Guard standing down for them, the acquitters or the convictanistas? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Voyageur 531 Posted November 19, 2021 Share Posted November 19, 2021 BB, if he doesn't get off, will you go away, forever? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Patriot 2 Posted November 19, 2021 Share Posted November 19, 2021 36 minutes ago, Burning Man said: I'm curious.... what's the difference between walking down the street with a loaded LONG gun vs doing the same with a loaded pistol? In the instance of the long gun in this case, it’s legal. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Ishmael 10,649 Posted November 19, 2021 Share Posted November 19, 2021 2 minutes ago, Patriot said: In the instance of the long gun in this case, it’s legal. It was legal, his possession of it wasn't. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
The Joker 540 Posted November 19, 2021 Author Share Posted November 19, 2021 4 minutes ago, roundthebuoys said: Now we're getting somewhere. So the "mob" is people hoping for a conviction? And you're obviously hoping for an acquittal so you are on the other side. So who are the other people with you? And who are the other people you are against? Is there a physical distinction between you two, certain clothing, flags, chants? And what parts of the town will be burned down? $1 Stores or Restoration Hardware types? If he's convicted will you and your team burn down something or have Avocado toast in protest or Coal Roll Teslas? And which team will have the benefit of the National Guard standing down for them, the acquitters or the convictanistas? You are a strange person. Are the voices in your head taking over? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
roundthebuoys 1,004 Posted November 19, 2021 Share Posted November 19, 2021 Black people the country over must be LOVING this. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Raz'r 5,198 Posted November 19, 2021 Share Posted November 19, 2021 16 minutes ago, jzk said: So you don't have a right to stop him? You just have to either submit to death or commit a crime? You committed a crime in attacking. So, yeah, actions have consequences. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jzk 1,735 Posted November 19, 2021 Share Posted November 19, 2021 1 minute ago, Ishmael said: It was legal, his possession of it wasn't. His possession of it was legal. Seems that you know as much about Wisconsin law as you do Ice Ages. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Raz'r 5,198 Posted November 19, 2021 Share Posted November 19, 2021 6 minutes ago, Ishmael said: Apparently this guy used to be a lawyer when he was alive. In a way, the Judge has already threatened that's what he'll do. If he's not aquitted, he may declare a mistrial. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
The Joker 540 Posted November 19, 2021 Author Share Posted November 19, 2021 Just now, Ishmael said: It was legal, his possession of it wasn't. Wrong again. Did you miss that the gun charge was thrown out? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Burning Man 1,728 Posted November 19, 2021 Share Posted November 19, 2021 3 hours ago, jocal505 said: Not much for honor do I find. You asked for the actual details, and you got them, straight up. Now your rotten, bent soul is making shit up, repeatedly, in a sick rotation. The Jeffie fluff is live-streaming out your chubby ass. Sorry Joe, but that is pretty much exactly what you described. Meth head comes into yard and won't leave. After having words and him still not leaving, you go and get your rifle. The presence of the rifle doesn't seem to deter him, so you shoot a warning shot into a stump "near" said meth head. Said meth head finally gets the message and leaves. Joe is then later wracked with debilitating guilt over the incident and decides to cut up his dogballz rifle into pieces (which I respect btw). I guess one other good thing that came out of that incident is that you got to see that outdoor militias are a thing. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Raz'r 5,198 Posted November 19, 2021 Share Posted November 19, 2021 1 minute ago, The Joker said: Wrong again. Did you miss that the gun charge was thrown out? yes, cause he was hunting. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Patriot 2 Posted November 19, 2021 Share Posted November 19, 2021 4 minutes ago, Ishmael said: It was legal, his possession of it wasn't. Based upon what? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Burning Man 1,728 Posted November 19, 2021 Share Posted November 19, 2021 3 hours ago, jocal505 said: I think of moving away. Don't think too hard. And don't let the door hit you on the ass on the way out. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Ishmael 10,649 Posted November 19, 2021 Share Posted November 19, 2021 1 minute ago, Patriot said: Based upon what? His age. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
roundthebuoys 1,004 Posted November 19, 2021 Share Posted November 19, 2021 7 minutes ago, Burning Man said: Sorry Joe, but that is pretty much exactly what you described. Meth head comes into yard and won't leave. After having words and him still not leaving, you go and get your rifle. The presence of the rifle doesn't seem to deter him, so you shoot a warning shot into a stump "near" said meth head. Said meth head finally gets the message and leaves. Joe is then later wracked with debilitating guilt over the incident and decides to cut up his dogballz rifle into pieces (which I respect btw). I guess one other good thing that came out of that incident is that you got to see that outdoor militias are a thing. This post solidifies for me that the only hero in the situation was the guy who went after a guy with an assault weapon, who just shot another guy in the face, only armed with a skateboard. That took United 93 balls. RIP. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Gouvernail 3,943 Posted November 19, 2021 Share Posted November 19, 2021 The Republican position has become quite clear. if you don’t like something that is going on, grab your gun and go to the event. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Patriot 2 Posted November 19, 2021 Share Posted November 19, 2021 7 minutes ago, Ishmael said: His age. There's an exception to the law that allows 16/17 year-olds to carry a long gun.....surprised you haven't read about that already...... From the article: Cicchini, who is not involved in the case, said legal doctrine demands that when statutes aren't clear they must be read in favor of the defense. "This is the price the government must pay when it is incapable of drafting clear laws," Cicchini wrote in an article discussing the doctrine. Prosecutors can ask a state appeals court for clarifications and rulings in the middle of a case; they don't have to wait until a verdict comes down. But usually prosecutors don't make such a move unless a judge hands down an adverse decision, Cicchini said. In Rittenhouse's case, Schroeder didn't rule against Kraus until minutes before closing arguments began. Turner, the former federal prosecutor, said prosecutors should have realized the issue wasn't settled and headed Schroeder off by asking an appellate court for a ruling or filing more briefs. “I'm hesitant to jump to the conclusion that the judge is doing something unfair to (prosecutors),” Turner said. “When the judge expressed skepticism early, they should have done something to make sure it's clear. In a case of this magnitude, if I'm the prosecutor and the judge has expressed some skepticism or doubt about this, I'm going to do everything I can to sustain that count. When you heard early on there was some doubt, you've got to get on this.” https://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/explainer-judge-drop-rittenhouse-gun-charge-81186071 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
The Joker 540 Posted November 19, 2021 Author Share Posted November 19, 2021 Just now, Gouvernail said: The Republican position has become quite clear. if you don’t like something that is going on, grab your gun and go to the event. And the dem position is just as clear if you don’t like something grab your torch and UHaul. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Voyageur 531 Posted November 19, 2021 Share Posted November 19, 2021 4 minutes ago, The Joker said: And the dem position is just as clear if you don’t like something grab your torch and UHaul. Joker, Was Timothy McVeigh a liberal? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Fakenews 1,561 Posted November 19, 2021 Share Posted November 19, 2021 6 minutes ago, Patriot said: There's an exception to the law that allows 16/17 year-olds to carry a long gun.....surprised you haven't read about that already...... From the article: Cicchini, who is not involved in the case, said legal doctrine demands that when statutes aren't clear they must be read in favor of the defense. "This is the price the government must pay when it is incapable of drafting clear laws," Cicchini wrote in an article discussing the doctrine. Prosecutors can ask a state appeals court for clarifications and rulings in the middle of a case; they don't have to wait until a verdict comes down. But usually prosecutors don't make such a move unless a judge hands down an adverse decision, Cicchini said. In Rittenhouse's case, Schroeder didn't rule against Kraus until minutes before closing arguments began. Turner, the former federal prosecutor, said prosecutors should have realized the issue wasn't settled and headed Schroeder off by asking an appellate court for a ruling or filing more briefs. “I'm hesitant to jump to the conclusion that the judge is doing something unfair to (prosecutors),” Turner said. “When the judge expressed skepticism early, they should have done something to make sure it's clear. In a case of this magnitude, if I'm the prosecutor and the judge has expressed some skepticism or doubt about this, I'm going to do everything I can to sustain that count. When you heard early on there was some doubt, you've got to get on this.” https://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/explainer-judge-drop-rittenhouse-gun-charge-81186071 Joined 2004 with 1000 posts. What is it about people with dormant socks? Why the need for more than one ID? Do you say different things depending on the sock you use? Its troubling. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Ventucky Red 1,105 Posted November 19, 2021 Share Posted November 19, 2021 42 minutes ago, Keith said: Ill explain it for you. The entire rest of thew world, (that's the part of the world, outside of the USA, that most Americanos never visit), They all watch what continues to happen with the exceptional firearm violence and firearm killings inside your country, and are just simply amazed that it continues on into this present day and age. "Ye are really, really fucked up over there." Bullshit. I have had the opportunity to go to other parts of the world and guess what - people in other parts of the world really don't give a phuck about the everyday happenings in the USA with the exception of the pop-culture shit. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Raz'r 5,198 Posted November 19, 2021 Share Posted November 19, 2021 3 minutes ago, quod umbra said: Funny BG. Very funny. We have a little sock-on-sock antagonism here. Funny indeed. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Patriot 2 Posted November 19, 2021 Share Posted November 19, 2021 11 minutes ago, Fakenews said: Joined 2004 with 1000 posts. What is it about people with dormant socks? Why the need for more than one ID? Do you say different things depending on the sock you use? Its troubling. Not a sock Bull Gator - I just don’t post here often any more - is that okay with you? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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sail611 127 Posted November 19, 2021 Share Posted November 19, 2021 1 hour ago, jzk said: I think you haven't looked into it enough. What if you just want to beat someone up because you are an asshole. So you chase after them. They turn around and pull a knife on you and start coming at you. You run away. You get cornered. Do you have to just submit to the knife guy and be killed? The law should not protect instigators. Why we feel the need to have laws that protect violent instigators is completely beyond me. If you are an asshole, and you do some asshole shit, the law should not protect you. We should not live in a society where the assholes are able to hide behind laws with impunity. Of course those laws were written by assholes, so assholes can keep being assholes, simply to maintain their idea of the status quo Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Raz'r 5,198 Posted November 19, 2021 Share Posted November 19, 2021 Just now, sail611 said: The law should not protect instigators. Why we feel the need to have laws that protect violent instigators is completely beyond me. If you are an asshole, and you do some asshole shit, the law should not protect you. We should not live in a society where the assholes are able to hide behind laws with impunity. Of course those laws were written by assholes, so assholes can keep being assholes, simply to maintain their idea of the status quo I think the laws are basically a vestige of racism. Maybe the Georgia 3, testing that theory, will find that we can no longer stomach those laws. I'm hopeful, but doubtful. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Voyageur 531 Posted November 19, 2021 Share Posted November 19, 2021 5 minutes ago, sail611 said: The law should not protect instigators. Why we feel the need to have laws that protect violent instigators is completely beyond me. If you are an asshole, and you do some asshole shit, the law should not protect you. We should not live in a society where the assholes are able to hide behind laws with impunity. Of course those laws were written by assholes, so assholes can keep being assholes, simply to maintain their idea of the status quo exhibit 1: Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Fakenews 1,561 Posted November 19, 2021 Share Posted November 19, 2021 And here we go. Verdict is in. The little monster is crying tears of joy. Sarc. He’s pretending to cry again. No tears. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jzk 1,735 Posted November 19, 2021 Share Posted November 19, 2021 Not guilty. 1 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
badlatitude 4,229 Posted November 19, 2021 Share Posted November 19, 2021 Now comes trouble. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Fakenews 1,561 Posted November 19, 2021 Share Posted November 19, 2021 1 minute ago, BravoBravo said: I n n o c e n t Nope. Not quilty. Big difference. Another disappointment for justice in America. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
The Joker 540 Posted November 19, 2021 Author Share Posted November 19, 2021 Not guilty All Charges. No one wins. But this was the right decision based on the evidence and law. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
The Joker 540 Posted November 19, 2021 Author Share Posted November 19, 2021 Just now, badlatitude said: Now comes trouble. Why? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Fakenews 1,561 Posted November 19, 2021 Share Posted November 19, 2021 Just now, badlatitude said: Now comes trouble. Maybe he’ll go out hunting again and this time he gets a bullet between his eyes. One can hope! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
SloopJonB 12,617 Posted November 19, 2021 Share Posted November 19, 2021 6 hours ago, 00seven said: Fill your boots, You only make yourself look stupid Spoken like the expert you are. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jzk 1,735 Posted November 19, 2021 Share Posted November 19, 2021 Just now, Fakenews said: Maybe he’ll go out hunting again and this time he gets a bullet between his eyes. One can hope! Spoken like the piece of shit that you are. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
badlatitude 4,229 Posted November 19, 2021 Share Posted November 19, 2021 Just now, The Joker said: Why? Are you dumb and ignorant, or just blind and ignorant? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
SloopJonB 12,617 Posted November 19, 2021 Share Posted November 19, 2021 Just now, badlatitude said: Are you dumb and ignorant, or just blind and ignorant? Are you new here? 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
badlatitude 4,229 Posted November 19, 2021 Share Posted November 19, 2021 1 minute ago, Fakenews said: Maybe he’ll go out hunting again and this time he gets a bullet between his eyes. One can hope! No sympathy from me, he worked hard to get where he is. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Ishmael 10,649 Posted November 19, 2021 Share Posted November 19, 2021 https://twitter.com/TheOnion/status/1461759013020917772?s=20 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Fakenews 1,561 Posted November 19, 2021 Share Posted November 19, 2021 1 minute ago, jzk said: Spoken like the piece of shit that you are. I get that you don’t like the idea of Nazis shooting people in public with weapons of war being shot dead themselves. I don’t care. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jerseyguy 1,712 Posted November 19, 2021 Share Posted November 19, 2021 Next up, the gunfight at the ok corral. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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