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Political scientist Dr. Lawrence Britt recently wrote an article about fascism ("Fascism Anyone?," Free Inquiry, Spring 2003, page 20). Studying the fascist regimes of Hitler (Germany), Mussolini (Italy), Franco (Spain), Suharto (Indonesia), and Pinochet (Chile), Dr. Britt found they all had 14 elements in common. He calls these the identifying characteristics of fascism. The excerpt is in accordance with the magazine's policy.

The 14 characteristics are:

  1. Powerful and Continuing Nationalism
    Fascist regimes tend to make constant use of patriotic mottos, slogans, symbols, songs, and other paraphernalia. Flags are seen everywhere, as are flag symbols on clothing and in public displays.
     
  2. Disdain for the Recognition of Human Rights
    Because of fear of enemies and the need for security, the people in fascist regimes are persuaded that human rights can be ignored in certain cases because of "need." The people tend to look the other way or even approve of torture, summary executions, assassinations, long incarcerations of prisoners, etc.
     
  3. Identification of Enemies/Scapegoats as a Unifying Cause
    The people are rallied into a unifying patriotic frenzy over the need to eliminate a perceived common threat or foe: racial , ethnic or religious minorities; liberals; communists; socialists, terrorists, etc.
     
  4. Supremacy of the Military
    Even when there are widespread domestic problems, the military is given a disproportionate amount of government funding, and the domestic agenda is neglected. Soldiers and military service are glamorized.
     
  5. Rampant Sexism
    The governments of fascist nations tend to be almost exclusively male-dominated. Under fascist regimes, traditional gender roles are made more rigid. Opposition to abortion is high, as is homophobia and anti-gay legislation and national policy.
     
  6. Controlled Mass Media
    Sometimes to media is directly controlled by the government, but in other cases, the media is indirectly controlled by government regulation, or sympathetic media spokespeople and executives. Censorship, especially in war time, is very common.
     
  7. Obsession with National Security
    Fear is used as a motivational tool by the government over the masses.
     
  8. Religion and Government are Intertwined
    Governments in fascist nations tend to use the most common religion in the nation as a tool to manipulate public opinion. Religious rhetoric and terminology is common from government leaders, even when the major tenets of the religion are diametrically opposed to the government's policies or actions.
     
  9. Corporate Power is Protected
    The industrial and business aristocracy of a fascist nation often are the ones who put the government leaders into power, creating a mutually beneficial business/government relationship and power elite.
     
  10. Labor Power is Suppressed
    Because the organizing power of labor is the only real threat to a fascist government, labor unions are either eliminated entirely, or are severely suppressed .
     
  11. Disdain for Intellectuals and the Arts
    Fascist nations tend to promote and tolerate open hostility to higher education, and academia. It is not uncommon for professors and other academics to be censored or even arrested. Free expression in the arts is openly attacked, and governments often refuse to fund the arts.
     
  12. Obsession with Crime and Punishment
    Under fascist regimes, the police are given almost limitless power to enforce laws. The people are often willing to overlook police abuses and even forego civil liberties in the name of patriotism. There is often a national police force with virtually unlimited power in fascist nations.
     
  13. Rampant Cronyism and Corruption
    Fascist regimes almost always are governed by groups of friends and associates who appoint each other to government positions and use governmental power and authority to protect their friends from accountability. It is not uncommon in fascist regimes for national resources and even treasures to be appropriated or even outright stolen by government leaders.
     
  14. Fraudulent Elections
    Sometimes elections in fascist nations are a complete sham. Other times elections are manipulated by smear campaigns against or even assassination of opposition candidates, use of legislation to control voting numbers or political district boundaries, and manipulation of the media. Fascist nations also typically use their judiciaries to manipulate or control elections.

 

Does any of that sound familiar?

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The fact that it isn't recent should make it even more damning.  It would initially appear that he looked into the future and literally catalogued the characteristics of the Trump term in office.  But he didn't.

I'm going to begin referring back to this list when I see the regulars here claim that democrat leadership is somehow facist.  They've worked hard to change terminology - like equating socialism and communism, and now they're trying to do the same with Facism.  Because god forbid they have a little introspection and realize where their mentality will take the US.

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i think the former regime studied that list and did their best to rebrand every item as freedumb. thank god they were mostly incompetent crooks. the problem is they conned a good chunk of gullible people into believing in their propaganda. putin must be very proud.

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You do understand that as a righty I can see many of those points applied to the left.  6 is a great example which views are being suppressed and shut down by social media?  
 

YouTube censored the livestreams of a number of independent law groups who were streaming the Kyle Rittenhouse trial Monday with commentary, briefly suspending their videos after Judge Bruce Schroeder dropped the Kenosha shooter’s charge of illegal possession of a firearm. 

In addition to Rekieta Media, news group Law and Crime, video-streaming platform Odysee and right-of-center political commentator The Amazing Lucas had their streams suspended. All channels are either conservative-leaning or centrist, however liberal channels like CBS and PBS appeared to have no issues with their streams of the trial. 

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31 minutes ago, The Joker said:

You do understand that as a righty I can see many of those points applied to the left.  6 is a great example which views are being suppressed and shut down by social media?  
 

YouTube censored the livestreams of a number of independent law groups who were streaming the Kyle Rittenhouse trial Monday with commentary, briefly suspending their videos after Judge Bruce Schroeder dropped the Kenosha shooter’s charge of illegal possession of a firearm. 

In addition to Rekieta Media, news group Law and Crime, video-streaming platform Odysee and right-of-center political commentator The Amazing Lucas had their streams suspended. All channels are either conservative-leaning or centrist, however liberal channels like CBS and PBS appeared to have no issues with their streams of the trial. 

Are you confusing private businesses deciding what to do with their private property and government censorship?

 

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29 minutes ago, The Joker said:

You do understand that as a righty I can see many of those points applied to the left.  6 is a great example which views are being suppressed and shut down by social media?  
 

YouTube censored the livestreams of a number of independent law groups who were streaming the Kyle Rittenhouse trial Monday with commentary, briefly suspending their videos after Judge Bruce Schroeder dropped the Kenosha shooter’s charge of illegal possession of a firearm. 

In addition to Rekieta Media, news group Law and Crime, video-streaming platform Odysee and right-of-center political commentator The Amazing Lucas had their streams suspended. All channels are either conservative-leaning or centrist, however liberal channels like CBS and PBS appeared to have no issues with their streams of the trial. 

I can't find much about this at all, it actually seems like people got pissed off, but there are no reports why. I saw one guy on YouTube protesting about terms of service violations, saying middlemen shouldn't have the right to terms of service. Which is completely ludicrous, if you want to appear and comment on someone's website you have to abide by their rules.

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14 minutes ago, kent_island_sailor said:

Are you confusing private businesses deciding what to do with their private property and government censorship?

 

From 6

sympathetic media spokespeopleand executives. Censorship, especiallyin war time, is very common.

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12 minutes ago, badlatitude said:

I can't find much about this at all, it actually seems like people got pissed off, but there are no reports why. I saw one guy on YouTube protesting about terms of service violations, saying middlemen shouldn't have the right to terms of service. Which is completely ludicrous, if you want to appear and comment on someone's website you have to abide by their rules.

Of course you can’t find it.  But it happened and as usual the censorship god only targets conservative commentary. 
 

Youtube shuts down rittenhouse commentary

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Another characteristic of fascism is that it appeals to self-righteous peons with a strong sense of victim hood.

3 minutes ago, The Joker said:

....  as usual the censorship god only targets conservative commentary. ...
 

Oh look, there's one now.

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25 minutes ago, The Joker said:

Of course you can’t find it.  But it happened and as usual the censorship god only targets conservative commentary. 
 

Youtube shuts down rittenhouse commentary

Conservatism died a long time ago. you are a neofascist, you just haven't been told yet. go to GAB for new disinformation.

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2 hours ago, The Joker said:

In addition to Rekieta Media, news group Law and Crime, video-streaming platform Odysee and right-of-center political commentator The Amazing Lucas had their streams suspended. All channels are either conservative-leaning or centrist, however liberal channels like CBS and PBS appeared to have no issues with their streams of the trial. 

2 of these things are not like the other...  LOL..  How in the fuck can you compare PBS/CBS with what, 60+years of reporting combined(probably more) and any of the brand spanking new right wing streams that have minimal history and are absolutely rooted in the right wing grift....  Hell, your biggest guys have even said tits all bs when they get to the courts...  WTF??  Apples to elephants...  and the platforms absolutely can do whatever they like, they are private entities.  Just like parlor has banned everyone from the left..  Oh wait, we don't want to go there...  Frankly, Name me a right wing platform that has even needed to ban lefties??  We don't care about what you think we do..  We are not a mirror image of you...  We think you are all literally clowns..  Laughing at you and all that...  You are simply......  too stupid to comprehend the difference...  

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18 minutes ago, badlatitude said:

Without a reason all these complaints are meaningless.

Just a coincidence when the judge rules on the only charge that has a hope in sticking.  Yep just happened that after weeks of those sites live streaming they suddenly decide it’s a copyright problem But that copyright issue didn’t apply to left leaning livestreams.   Ok 

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1 minute ago, The Joker said:

Just a coincidence when the judge rules on the only charge that has a hope in sticking.  Yep just happened that after weeks of those sites live streaming they suddenly decide it’s a copyright problem But that copyright issue didn’t apply to left leaning livestreams.   Ok 

Respect the terms of service or lose your right to a stage. Call me a pedo on this site, see what happens.

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1 hour ago, The Joker said:

Of course you can’t find it.  But it happened and as usual the censorship god only targets conservative commentary. 
 

Youtube shuts down rittenhouse commentary

Ever heard of copyright strikes on YouTube? It's a common gripe with many many creators and most likely was someone trying to profit of these channels, might have been one of the big media houses or a troll but YT reacted fast and they were back on in 20 minutes.

"The tech giant intermittently suspended at least four different channels for a 20-minute period during the trial’s closing arguments, over what the company called 'policy violations' for using copyrighted audio – despite trial footage being in the public domain. 

Once the company determined the videos were not in violation of copyright law, they were all back up and running. But law group, Rekieta Media, lost about 40,000 viewers - nearly half the people watching their video. "

 

Someone/group claimed the audio, auto algorithms shut down unestablished channels without a large copyright library. An actual person intervened and the channels were up and running in 20. 

Now talk to the guys who have had their original content copyrighted by trolls and have either lost revenue or their channels with no recourse. Lots of vids out there crying about it. Your guys got special treatment cause "right wing"

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14 hours ago, Nice! said:

Political scientist Dr. Lawrence Britt recently wrote an article about fascism ("Fascism Anyone?," Free Inquiry, Spring 2003, page 20). Studying the fascist regimes of Hitler (Germany), Mussolini (Italy), Franco (Spain), Suharto (Indonesia), and Pinochet (Chile), Dr. Britt found they all had 14 elements in common. He calls these the identifying characteristics of fascism. The excerpt is in accordance with the magazine's policy.

The 14 characteristics are:

  1. Powerful and Continuing Nationalism
    Fascist regimes tend to make constant use of patriotic mottos, slogans, symbols, songs, and other paraphernalia. Flags are seen everywhere, as are flag symbols on clothing and in public displays.
     
  2. Disdain for the Recognition of Human Rights
    Because of fear of enemies and the need for security, the people in fascist regimes are persuaded that human rights can be ignored in certain cases because of "need." The people tend to look the other way or even approve of torture, summary executions, assassinations, long incarcerations of prisoners, etc.
     
  3. Identification of Enemies/Scapegoats as a Unifying Cause
    The people are rallied into a unifying patriotic frenzy over the need to eliminate a perceived common threat or foe: racial , ethnic or religious minorities; liberals; communists; socialists, terrorists, etc.
     
  4. Supremacy of the Military
    Even when there are widespread domestic problems, the military is given a disproportionate amount of government funding, and the domestic agenda is neglected. Soldiers and military service are glamorized.
     
  5. Rampant Sexism
    The governments of fascist nations tend to be almost exclusively male-dominated. Under fascist regimes, traditional gender roles are made more rigid. Opposition to abortion is high, as is homophobia and anti-gay legislation and national policy.
     
  6. Controlled Mass Media
    Sometimes to media is directly controlled by the government, but in other cases, the media is indirectly controlled by government regulation, or sympathetic media spokespeople and executives. Censorship, especially in war time, is very common.
     
  7. Obsession with National Security
    Fear is used as a motivational tool by the government over the masses.
     
  8. Religion and Government are Intertwined
    Governments in fascist nations tend to use the most common religion in the nation as a tool to manipulate public opinion. Religious rhetoric and terminology is common from government leaders, even when the major tenets of the religion are diametrically opposed to the government's policies or actions.
     
  9. Corporate Power is Protected
    The industrial and business aristocracy of a fascist nation often are the ones who put the government leaders into power, creating a mutually beneficial business/government relationship and power elite.
     
  10. Labor Power is Suppressed
    Because the organizing power of labor is the only real threat to a fascist government, labor unions are either eliminated entirely, or are severely suppressed .
     
  11. Disdain for Intellectuals and the Arts
    Fascist nations tend to promote and tolerate open hostility to higher education, and academia. It is not uncommon for professors and other academics to be censored or even arrested. Free expression in the arts is openly attacked, and governments often refuse to fund the arts.
     
  12. Obsession with Crime and Punishment
    Under fascist regimes, the police are given almost limitless power to enforce laws. The people are often willing to overlook police abuses and even forego civil liberties in the name of patriotism. There is often a national police force with virtually unlimited power in fascist nations.
     
  13. Rampant Cronyism and Corruption
    Fascist regimes almost always are governed by groups of friends and associates who appoint each other to government positions and use governmental power and authority to protect their friends from accountability. It is not uncommon in fascist regimes for national resources and even treasures to be appropriated or even outright stolen by government leaders.
     
  14. Fraudulent Elections
    Sometimes elections in fascist nations are a complete sham. Other times elections are manipulated by smear campaigns against or even assassination of opposition candidates, use of legislation to control voting numbers or political district boundaries, and manipulation of the media. Fascist nations also typically use their judiciaries to manipulate or control elections.

 

Does any of that sound familiar?

This is about the umpteenth time this has been posted here.  What else ya got?

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4 minutes ago, Ventucky Red said:

This is about the umpteenth time this has been posted here.  What else ya got?

Nothing it’s called desperation.  Based on all the signs They are about to become an irrelevant party for years.  I expect the melt down will be spectacular. 

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6 minutes ago, The Joker said:

Nothing it’s called desperation.  Based on all the signs They are about to become an irrelevant party for years.  I expect the melt down will be spectacular. 

We have literally reached the phase where people are calling for book burning. The progression toward authoritarianism is not coming to the united states, it's here right now. This should be terrifying to everybody. Why do you embrace it with open arms?

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My 6th grade history/civics teacher, while describing the left-verus-right "wing", pointed out that in some ways they are not a straight line of left-center-right, but rather a circle where the two extremes end up adjacent to each other.  The similarity being-- big, overarching government that controls most aspects of peoples' lives.

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17 minutes ago, Nice! said:

We have literally reached the phase where people are calling for book burning. The progression toward authoritarianism is not coming to the united states, it's here right now. This should be terrifying to everybody. Why do you embrace it with open arms?

You do understand that both sides are calling for book burning as you put it.   They both regularly try and remove books they don’t like. 
 

It doesn’t get more authoritative than mask  and vaccine mandates.  I support both in most cases, but it is being driven by the left. 

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5 minutes ago, The Joker said:

You do understand that both sides are calling for book burning as you put it.   They both regularly try and remove books they don’t like. 
 

It doesn’t get more authoritative than mask  and vaccine mandates.  I support both in most cases, but it is being driven by the left. 

I haven't heard of book burning by the left, but I'm happy to read any cites you can provide to backup your statement.

Vaccines and masks shouldn't be a partisan issue. The repubs made it that way when they decided not to ignore science. And a history lesson for you: there were similar mandates in 1920s Germany and the Nazi's removed them - claiming the same freedumbs that are being claimed today - as part of their rise to power (which of course resulted in the complete removal of freedoms).

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7 minutes ago, Nice! said:

I haven't heard of book burning by the left, but I'm happy to read any cites you can provide to backup your statement.

Vaccines and masks shouldn't be a partisan issue. The repubs made it that way when they decided not to ignore science. And a history lesson for you: there were similar mandates in 1920s Germany and the Nazi's removed them - claiming the same freedumbs that are being claimed today - as part of their rise to power (which of course resulted in the complete removal of freedoms).

https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2021/09/17/opinions/york-pennsylvania-school-district-book-ban-parini/index.html

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7 minutes ago, The Joker said:

You do understand that both sides are calling for book burning as you put it.   They both regularly try and remove books they don’t like. 
 

It doesn’t get more authoritative than mask  and vaccine mandates.  I support both in most cases, but it is being driven by the left. 

So maybe we only get to choose between left and right authoritarianism. I choose left. Bigly!

Arts, literature, pornography, healthcare, freedom of/from religion, etc, etc. (Both will take our gunz, guaranteed) Even if we fall far short of those ideals, given the choice between the authoritarian regimes of Russia of China I’ll choose China in a heartbeat. The Russian/TFG policy of failure and stupidity as a lifestyle…no thanks. 

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4 minutes ago, The Joker said:

I do see how some liberals have wrongly tried to have a few books banned - which I disagree with. It's fewer liberals, it's fewer books, and nobody has called for a book burning yet. 

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48 minutes ago, Nice! said:

We have literally reached the phase where people are calling for book burning. The progression toward authoritarianism is not coming to the united states, it's here right now. This should be terrifying to everybody. Why do you embrace it with open arms?

Joke's always been a Good German.

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23 minutes ago, Ventucky Red said:

For example?

Republicans would have found much to like in the Third **Dogballs**’s vaccine policy, which was very much in line with their current recommendations: above all, it relaxed requirements for compulsory vaccination that had been in place in Germany for decades at that point, and went with a voluntary approach instead. We even have records of private discussions of Adolph Hitler and his Nazi colleagues clearly showing that, far from viewing vaccine mandates as key to their genocidal goals, the opposite was the case: they knew that withholding compulsory vaccination and other German public-health innovations would help kill more of the undesirable and “inferior” people who they wanted to rid from the world.

https://jacobinmag.com/2021/09/vaccine-mandates-covid-pandemic-german-nazi-inoculation-policy

 

There are many other documents that demonstrate this - easily found if you invest a few minutes.

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1 hour ago, Steam Flyer said:

Did you read the article?

If so, please quote the part of it where "leftists" were banning books, much less burning them.

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There's a link inside the article that leads to another article that discusses books targeted by both sides, including the "left". It mentions Huck Finn.

So . . . there's Huck Finn, and Little Black Sambo comes to mind.

But I can't recall ever hearing of people burning either of them.

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3 hours ago, quod umbra said:

Here is something to embrace with open arms.....

 

 

saw a Carlos Santana interview the other day. He was reminiscing about the time at Woodstock , just be fore he went on stage that he dropped acid given to him by Jerry....

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38 minutes ago, Ventucky Red said:

Of course, there is some truth behind it..  look at the history that was used.   So, what of the 14 points do you want to start with?   Let say Point #6 - your ball.

 

Sure.  Let's start with number 6.  Which recent president was it that not only dis-invited a bunch of news outlet from covering him, but then started provide information specifically to ONLY certain new outlets?  Has Biden kicked Fox or OAN or Newsmax out of the white house or press conferences?  I can't remember.  Does Biden tweet daily about unfair news coverage, and call the new media childish names?  I can't remember.  Does he suggest some of them should be thrown in jail?

Trump called journalists 'scumbags' who should be 'executed,' according to John Bolton's new book

But then, let's go a step forward and realize that it is meant to be taken in totality.  You don't profile someone based on one cherry picked characteristic.  What party, current democrat or current republican, most closely fits those points?

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2 hours ago, Steam Flyer said:

Did you read the article?

If so, please quote the part of it where "leftists" were banning books, much less burning them.

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You have to get down near the bottom where it makes a general comment about lean-leaning individuals going after some books.  But it's there.

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7 minutes ago, Grrr... said:

You have to get down near the bottom where it makes a general comment about lean-leaning individuals going after some books.  But it's there.

Ah, OK. I read it thru but did not take particular note of that; it's a bit different from book-burning isn't it? And "Left-leaning" encompasses pretty much anybody who might feel Trump is not the best choice for Amerikanzerfuhrer. Thanks!

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25 minutes ago, Grrr... said:

Sure.  Let's start with number 6.  Which recent president was it that not only dis-invited a bunch of news outlet from covering him, but then started provide information specifically to ONLY certain new outlets?  Has Biden kicked Fox or OAN or Newsmax out of the white house or press conferences?  I can't remember.  Does Biden tweet daily about unfair news coverage, and call the new media childish names?  I can't remember.  Does he suggest some of them should be thrown in jail?

But then, let's go a step forward and realize that it is meant to be taken in totality.  You don't profile someone based on one cherry picked characteristic.  What party, current democrat or current republican, most closely fits those points?

What current news outlets, who are very upfront of their political affiliation, have gone after and vilified people along with ruining their lives when that person does not agree with the current narrative, or is a member of the other team? Or, to advance the agenda of one party while referring to the others as racist, white supremacist, deplorable, or whatever the catchphrase is of the week? And whose side are they on?

Wouldn't that be akin to 'state-owned and controlled" media?

How about #2, what do you got there?

 

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4 hours ago, Ishmael said:

Holy shit, what fucking planet does Joker live on? Talk about a tenuous grasp on reality.

Calling it tenuous is being over-complimentary.

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4 hours ago, Nice! said:

I do see how some liberals have wrongly tried to have a few books banned - which I disagree with. It's fewer liberals, it's fewer books, and nobody has called for a book burning yet. 

Anybody remember when a book getting "Banned in Boston" was a guarantee of bestseller status?

America has a long, long tradition of banning books.

And smashing records - Elvis, the Beatles etc. etc.

And it's always been "conservatives" doing it.

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9 minutes ago, SloopJonB said:

Anybody remember when a book getting "Banned in Boston" was a guarantee of bestseller status?

America has a long, long tradition of banning books.

And smashing records - Elvis, the Beatles etc. etc.

And it's always been "conservatives" doing it.

I'm not ready to play nice, I'm not ready to back down....

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59 minutes ago, Ventucky Red said:

What current news outlets, who are very upfront of their political affiliation, have gone after and vilified people along with ruining their lives when that person does not agree with the current narrative, or is a member of the other team? Or, to advance the agenda of one party while referring to the others as racist, white supremacist, deplorable, or whatever the catchphrase is of the week? And whose side are they on?

 

You're talking about Alex Jones, right? Glenn Beck and Cucker Tarlson do the same stuff, only not -quite- as extreme and surrealistic.

1 hour ago, Ventucky Red said:

... How about #2, what do you got there?

 

You mean this? 2. Disdain for the Recognition of Human Rights
Because of fear of enemies and the need for security, the people in fascist regimes are persuaded that human rights can be ignored in certain cases because of "need." The people tend to look the other way or even approve of torture, summary executions, assassinations, long incarcerations of prisoners, etc.

Shirley you remember the hullabaloo about extreme rendition and Gina Haspel, and a certain former President expressing enthusiasm for torture of prisoners, not to mention his actual use of the military to assassinate a foreign leader; then his encitement of his followers to assassinate his own Vice President? 

Just the first couple of obvious highlights from a long list.

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5 minutes ago, Steam Flyer said:

You're talking about Alex Jones, right? Glenn Beck and Cucker Tarlson do the same stuff, only not -quite- as extreme and surrealistic.

You mean this? 2. Disdain for the Recognition of Human Rights
Because of fear of enemies and the need for security, the people in fascist regimes are persuaded that human rights can be ignored in certain cases because of "need." The people tend to look the other way or even approve of torture, summary executions, assassinations, long incarcerations of prisoners, etc.

Shirley you remember the hullabaloo about extreme rendition and Gina Haspel, and a certain former President expressing enthusiasm for torture of prisoners, not to mention his actual use of the military to assassinate a foreign leader; then his encitement of his followers to assassinate his own Vice President? 

Just the first couple of obvious highlights from a long list.

- DSK

Don't forget about how other countries don't send their best people. They're murderers. They're rapists.

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56 minutes ago, quod umbra said:

Well thank fukin God "conservatives" blew up all those disco records at Comisky Park in 1979......

Are you saying that it was "liberals"? 'Cause it was a shock-jock publicity stunt, IIRC.

IMO, it was a public service, because (and I haven't had the opportunity to say this for decades, so thank you) . . .

DISCO SUCKS!

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2 hours ago, Ventucky Red said:

What current news outlets, who are very upfront of their political affiliation, have gone after and vilified people along with ruining their lives when that person does not agree with the current narrative, or is a member of the other team? Or, to advance the agenda of one party while referring to the others as racist, white supremacist, deplorable, or whatever the catchphrase is of the week? And whose side are they on?

Wouldn't that be akin to 'state-owned and controlled" media?

How about #2, what do you got there?

 

Huh? Do you understand the difference between a biased news organization, and a GOVERNMENT bent on suppressing it? 

And #2, ignoring basic human rights, how about forceably separating children and parents at the border for. No other reason than to spread fear and hurt people?  How about the republican stance on things like being gay? 

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7 hours ago, El Borracho said:

So maybe we only get to choose between left and right authoritarianism. I choose left. Bigly!

Nope, and fuck you for even suggesting that authoritarianism in any form is acceptable, bitch. 

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11 minutes ago, Grrr... said:

Huh? Do you understand the difference between a biased news organization, and a GOVERNMENT bent on suppressing it? 

And #2, ignoring basic human rights, how about forcibly separating children and parents at the border for. No other reason than to spread fear and hurt people?  How about the republican stance on things like being gay? 

Some would use the word collusion over biased.

#2, disregard for human rights and separating children... didn't Obama do that too? 

https://apnews.com/article/election-2020-democratic-national-convention-ap-fact-check-immigration-politics-2663c84832a13cdd7a8233becfc7a5f3

What about the inhumane treatment of the homeless in many of the major team blue cities? Or the lack of not doing anything which is tantamount to disregard of human rights. 

As for gays no problem with me, and I believe there has been a shift in the acceptance over the past couple of years.  But I guess if one conservative/republican does not like gays then I am sure your biased news organization won't paint the picture that all conservative/republicans are homophobic racist anti-Semitic, goose steeping, jackboot, brown shirt thugs.

https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/2017/10/05/5-homosexuality-gender-and-religion/

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13 hours ago, Ventucky Red said:

Some would use the word collusion over biased.

#2, disregard for human rights and separating children... didn't Obama do that too? 

https://apnews.com/article/election-2020-democratic-national-convention-ap-fact-check-immigration-politics-2663c84832a13cdd7a8233becfc7a5f3

What about the inhumane treatment of the homeless in many of the major team blue cities? Or the lack of not doing anything which is tantamount to disregard of human rights. 

As for gays no problem with me, and I believe there has been a shift in the acceptance over the past couple of years.  But I guess if one conservative/republican does not like gays then I am sure your biased news organization won't paint the picture that all conservative/republicans are homophobic racist anti-Semitic, goose steeping, jackboot, brown shirt thugs.

https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/2017/10/05/5-homosexuality-gender-and-religion/

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Has anyone in Jayrods immediate family been in prison? Was that guy more qualified than someone else? Did anyone in the Drumpf family serve in the military? How much money have the kiddies grifted? How much money did Jaba the Bannon grift before his "pardon"?

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19 hours ago, Ventucky Red said:

Some would use the word collusion over biased.

#2, disregard for human rights and separating children... didn't Obama do that too? 

https://apnews.com/article/election-2020-democratic-national-convention-ap-fact-check-immigration-politics-2663c84832a13cdd7a8233becfc7a5f3

What about the inhumane treatment of the homeless in many of the major team blue cities? Or the lack of not doing anything which is tantamount to disregard of human rights. 

As for gays no problem with me, and I believe there has been a shift in the acceptance over the past couple of years.  But I guess if one conservative/republican does not like gays then I am sure your biased news organization won't paint the picture that all conservative/republicans are homophobic racist anti-Semitic, goose steeping, jackboot, brown shirt thugs.

https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/2017/10/05/5-homosexuality-gender-and-religion/

Want to try your hand at 13?

You really suck at this.  Rather than making stuff up to refute facts, it'd be better if you used.... Facts.  But bullshitter gonna bullshit. Obama and the presidents prior to him maintained a continued policy of separating serious criminals from their children.  He did NOT make it a policy to rip apart every family that crossed the border.  That distinction remains with one party and one administration.  From your OWN CITE

She’s right that Trump’s now-suspended policy at the U.S.-Mexico border separated thousands of children from their families in ways that had not been done before.

Just as a constant attack on opposing media, along with exclusionary policies and restrictions to media access remained with one party.

There has been a shift in acceptance? Really? THAT'S your standpoint? Have you looked at the right wing stance on these issues lately? It's abominable.  Even worse if we take woman's rights and trans into account. The religious base of the right in many cases has disavowed the pope because he's too accepting for fuck sake. 

You realize that I've offered concrete responses to each of your challenges, and you've come back with mealy mouthed bullshit? 

13?  Has any president more blatantly engaged in cronyism than Donald trump?  How many of his "the best people" have been convicted, are in jail, or required pardons to remain free? How much did he whore out the office of the president, directing business to his companies, advertising private products from the white house oval office, and brining in immediate family to run pieces of the government they had no business being in.  Who went so far as to get him family wrapped up in national security clearance issues?  Was it Obama? 

Seriously.  Try using some facts.  Even a couple would help your case immensely.  Fuck, just One fact would be an improvement. 

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1 hour ago, Grrr... said:

You really suck at this.  Rather than making stuff up to refute facts, it'd be better if you used.... Facts.  But bullshitter gonna bullshit. Obama and the presidents prior to him maintained a continued policy of separating serious criminals from their children.  He did NOT make it a policy to rip apart every family that crossed the border.  That distinction remains with one party and one administration.  From your OWN CITE

She’s right that Trump’s now-suspended policy at the U.S.-Mexico border separated thousands of children from their families in ways that had not been done before.

Just as a constant attack on opposing media, along with exclusionary policies and restrictions to media access remained with one party.

There has been a shift in acceptance? Really? THAT'S your standpoint? Have you looked at the right wing stance on these issues lately? It's abominable.  Even worse if we take woman's rights and trans into account. The religious base of the right in many cases has disavowed the pope because he's too accepting for fuck sake. 

You realize that I've offered concrete responses to each of your challenges, and you've come back with mealy mouthed bullshit? 

13?  Has any president more blatantly engaged in cronyism than Donald trump?  How many of his "the best people" have been convicted, are in jail, or required pardons to remain free? How much did he whore out the office of the president, directing business to his companies, advertising private products from the white house oval office, and brining in immediate family to run pieces of the government they had no business being in.  Who went so far as to get him family wrapped up in national security clearance issues?  Was it Obama? 

Seriously.  Try using some facts.  Even a couple would help your case immensely.  Fuck, just One fact would be an improvement. 

No I don't and you actually proved a point for me  You and many others here are some wrapped in your TDS you have lost sight of where you're really getting screwed.  If you think in this country that this shit only exists at 1600 Pennsylvania Ave.....  Well.. chew on that for a while...

 

 

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38 minutes ago, Ventucky Red said:

No I don't and you actually proved a point for me  You and many others here are some wrapped in your TDS you have lost sight of where you're really getting screwed.  If you think in this country that this shit only exists at 1600 Pennsylvania Ave.....  Well.. chew on that for a while...

 

 

I provide facts about how fucked your party is.  You fail to refute any of them.  But in the end you somehow think you've won something.  I remember someone else like that.  He was president recently.  You are a good fit your party and you follow his lead quite well. Enjoy the mushroom soup. 

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2 minutes ago, Blue Crab said:

Never again.

Actually, I fully expect him DeSantis or that Texas idiot to be our next president.  The democrats are failing to stay on message, and machin and sine a are constantly undermining them even on basic issues. I expect the senate to go red, and maybe even the house to go red. 

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6 hours ago, Grrr... said:

I provide facts about how fucked your party is.  You fail to refute any of them.  But in the end you somehow think you've won something.  I remember someone else like that.  He was president recently.  You are a good fit your party and you follow his lead quite well. Enjoy the mushroom soup. 

He's like this;

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And one more important element of fascist thought 

is that they do not recognize the right of political opposition to exist. 

You can see that at work in the US in this era, and it is a major distinction 

between the good ol' cloth coat GOPPERS of yore . . 

and those lunatics running the party now. 

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19 hours ago, Voyageur said:

How much money have the kiddies grifted?

Hunter? No idea but he sucks a mean toe. How about you? :D 

5 hours ago, AJ Oliver said:

And one more important element of fascist thought 

is that they do not recognize the right of political opposition to exist. 

So you are now fully admitting that you're a fascist? :huh:

At least according to your definition, dopey. 

I suppose we could add hypocrite to that list along with stupid as a sack of shit. :ph34r: 

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13 hours ago, Grrr... said:

I provide facts about how fucked your party is.  You fail to refute any of them.  But in the end you somehow think you've won something.  I remember someone else like that.  He was president recently.  You are a good fit your party and you follow his lead quite well. Enjoy the mushroom soup. 

And there you go. So you're making the assumption that because I am not sucking the blue team donkey dick, I must be a member of the other team.

Typical..  

 

 

 

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1 hour ago, Ventucky Red said:

And there you go. So you're making the assumption that because I am not sucking the blue team donkey dick, I must be a member of the other team.

Typical..  

 

 

 

You revealed who you are the moment you expressed outrage at our TDS. 

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26 minutes ago, quod umbra said:

I have always thought whataboutism to be fallacious in that it is the first line of defense of the hypocrite.  

I think it's the kneejerk, "NO Fair!"

My guess is that's all the depth of analysis available.  

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3 hours ago, Venom said:

So you are now fully admitting that you're a fascist? :huh:

Shirley you jest. It is the GOPPERS who have trashed the constitution and use threats as a normal tool. 

Have you been taking extreme partisan lessons from @The Joker  ??  

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