I Made The Mistake of Watching Tom Ehman Again.

[ChairborneRanger 82]

It is time I'm never going to get back.

• Why do people pay any attention to Tom at all? His show literally had just 50 people tuning in at it's peak. 
• He comes across as someone disparately trying to maintain their relevance in a sport that has moved on and left him behind.
• He is farcically short sighted and just looks stupid when his own arguments contradict each other but he doesn't see it.
  • Case in point. In the last show he went on and on about EB and Alinghi seeing this as the perfect time to enter the AC again. Tom thinks they see ETNZ as distracted, under funded, fighting battles left and right and he thinks EB thinks he has a good chance of wining. Then immediately after this rant, without irony or self awareness, berates ETNZ for needing more money, trying to take the event off shore, and basically says he knows more about running an international free to air broadcast and world class event in 2021 than Grant does. Does he not see that his own argument for Alinghi is precisely the reason ETNZ need to doing what they are doing.
  • In a previous show, he went on and on about the budgets being out of control, but then in the same show he said he wanted to see a DOG match between INEOS and ETNZ. What do you think will happen to the budgets then? Cue gigantic exploding nuclear mushroom cloud. What flow on effect would that have to the next cycle? 

Tom, you're an absolute numbskull. 

There is plenty of good stuff to talk about in AC at the moment, especially with Alinghi back in. Support your sport, don't try and rip those down who are pushing it's limits.

[Stingray~ 2,280]

I watch and enjoy most of the material on TE's shows and the subjects do change with the times, naturally. If you don't care to watch that well-produced show, then don't

 

[floater 696]

42 minutes ago, ChairborneRanger said:

It is time I'm never going to get back.

• Why do people pay any attention to Tom at all? His show literally had just 50 people tuning in at it's peak. 
• He comes across as someone disparately trying to maintain their relevance in a sport that has moved on and left him behind.
• He is farcically short sighted and just looks stupid when his own arguments contradict each other but he doesn't see it.
  • Case in point. In the last show he went on and on about EB and Alinghi seeing this as the perfect time to enter the AC again. Tom thinks they see ETNZ as distracted, under funded, fighting battles left and right and he thinks EB thinks he has a good chance of wining. Then immediately after this rant, without irony or self awareness, berates ETNZ for needing more money, trying to take the event off shore, and basically says he knows more about running an international free to air broadcast and world class event in 2021 than Grant does. Does he not see that his own argument for Alinghi is precisely the reason ETNZ need to doing what they are doing.
  • In a previous show, he went on and on about the budgets being out of control, but then in the same show he said he wanted to see a DOG match between INEOS and ETNZ. What do you think will happen to the budgets then? Cue gigantic exploding nuclear mushroom cloud. What flow on effect would that have to the next cycle? 

Tom, you're an absolute numbskull. 

There is plenty of good stuff to talk about in AC at the moment, especially with Alinghi back in. Support your sport, don't try and rip those down who are pushing it's limits.

possible explanation: He hasn't drunk the Kool-aid that Dalt's is handing out.

[dg_sailingfan 70]

1 hour ago, ChairborneRanger said:

It is time I'm never going to get back.

• Why do people pay any attention to Tom at all? His show literally had just 50 people tuning in at it's peak. 
• He comes across as someone disparately trying to maintain their relevance in a sport that has moved on and left him behind.
• He is farcically short sighted and just looks stupid when his own arguments contradict each other but he doesn't see it.
  • Case in point. In the last show he went on and on about EB and Alinghi seeing this as the perfect time to enter the AC again. Tom thinks they see ETNZ as distracted, under funded, fighting battles left and right and he thinks EB thinks he has a good chance of wining. Then immediately after this rant, without irony or self awareness, berates ETNZ for needing more money, trying to take the event off shore, and basically says he knows more about running an international free to air broadcast and world class event in 2021 than Grant does. Does he not see that his own argument for Alinghi is precisely the reason ETNZ need to doing what they are doing.
  • In a previous show, he went on and on about the budgets being out of control, but then in the same show he said he wanted to see a DOG match between INEOS and ETNZ. What do you think will happen to the budgets then? Cue gigantic exploding nuclear mushroom cloud. What flow on effect would that have to the next cycle? 

Tom, you're an absolute numbskull. 

There is plenty of good stuff to talk about in AC at the moment, especially with Alinghi back in. Support your sport, don't try and rip those down who are pushing it's limits.

I am absolutely agreeing with you. He's contradicting himself too much. The Reason we have actually this spat between Dalton and Dunphy is also because of Ehman and his conspiracy theories about Court Action, etc. As soon as it was clear that ETNZ & NZ Govtm wouldn't get a deal done he started this nonsense.

He is very close to Hamish Ross and had Dunphy on his Show. He could have talked some common sense to both but choose not to do it.

[atwinda 206]

As with everything in the AC the span between actual AC events leaves everyone grasping at straws to fill the void.

[Stingray~ 2,280]

22 minutes ago, atwinda said:

As with everything in the AC the span between actual AC events leaves everyone grasping at straws to fill the void.

True but a lot of what TE covers AC-wise is splashed all over the papers too, although he does sometimes also forecast some it of correctly. It is not like he is the story, more a 'story-teller' in the way he is able to condense subject-matter from the sailing world in a way most people would not to try do on their own. It's nice to tune into a show that has it already prepared. The Oman Sail Muscat pieces today are a good example, they were superb.

I give credit to TE for being bright, experienced and humorous/entertaining. Also for having produced over 475 shows (!!!) and counting with amazing dexterity. That he has had such a wide-ranging guest list is impressive too, including with open invitations to his friend Russell Greene at ETNZ whose appearance has been accepted and is pending. 

Judging by his tight group of mostly-classy viewers they must feel the same way. 

[Sailbydate 3,613]

2 hours ago, ChairborneRanger said:

It is time I'm never going to get back.

• Why do people pay any attention to Tom at all? His show literally had just 50 people tuning in at it's peak. 
• He comes across as someone disparately trying to maintain their relevance in a sport that has moved on and left him behind.
• He is farcically short sighted and just looks stupid when his own arguments contradict each other but he doesn't see it.
  • Case in point. In the last show he went on and on about EB and Alinghi seeing this as the perfect time to enter the AC again. Tom thinks they see ETNZ as distracted, under funded, fighting battles left and right and he thinks EB thinks he has a good chance of wining. Then immediately after this rant, without irony or self awareness, berates ETNZ for needing more money, trying to take the event off shore, and basically says he knows more about running an international free to air broadcast and world class event in 2021 than Grant does. Does he not see that his own argument for Alinghi is precisely the reason ETNZ need to doing what they are doing.
  • In a previous show, he went on and on about the budgets being out of control, but then in the same show he said he wanted to see a DOG match between INEOS and ETNZ. What do you think will happen to the budgets then? Cue gigantic exploding nuclear mushroom cloud. What flow on effect would that have to the next cycle? 

Tom, you're an absolute numbskull. 

There is plenty of good stuff to talk about in AC at the moment, especially with Alinghi back in. Support your sport, don't try and rip those down who are pushing it's limits.

Isn't he a bit like an addiction to hookers? Hard to give up - at least that's what a friend tells me. ;-)

[barfy 1,305]

7 minutes ago, Stingray~ said:

True but

Gulp gulp gulp

[Stingray~ 2,280]

9 minutes ago, barfy said:

Gulp gulp gulp

Ha! Yes you can 'blame everything on me' (or Tom) if that makes you feel good  Am just saying I enjoy Sailing Illustrated and so try to not miss the shows. So freakin' what? 

There are several folks who used to post here but now follow only there instead.

[ChairborneRanger 82]

4 hours ago, dg_sailingfan said:

I am absolutely agreeing with you. He's contradicting himself too much. The Reason we have actually this spat between Dalton and Dunphy is also because of Ehman and his conspiracy theories about Court Action, etc. As soon as it was clear that ETNZ & NZ Govtm wouldn't get a deal done he started this nonsense.

He is very close to Hamish Ross and had Dunphy on his Show. He could have talked some common sense to both but choose not to do it.

He comes across as their official mouth piece, based on what he covers and what he ignores. ZERO impartiality. 

[Fiji Bitter 1,976]

2 hours ago, Stingray~ said:

There are several folks who used to post here but now follow only there instead.

May I make a suggestion?

 

[chesirecat 721]

6 hours ago, ChairborneRanger said:

It is time I'm never going to get back.

• Why do people pay any attention to Tom at all? His show literally had just 50 people tuning in at it's peak. 
• He comes across as someone disparately trying to maintain their relevance in a sport that has moved on and left him behind.
• He is farcically short sighted and just looks stupid when his own arguments contradict each other but he doesn't see it.
  • Case in point. In the last show he went on and on about EB and Alinghi seeing this as the perfect time to enter the AC again. Tom thinks they see ETNZ as distracted, under funded, fighting battles left and right and he thinks EB thinks he has a good chance of wining. Then immediately after this rant, without irony or self awareness, berates ETNZ for needing more money, trying to take the event off shore, and basically says he knows more about running an international free to air broadcast and world class event in 2021 than Grant does. Does he not see that his own argument for Alinghi is precisely the reason ETNZ need to doing what they are doing.
  • In a previous show, he went on and on about the budgets being out of control, but then in the same show he said he wanted to see a DOG match between INEOS and ETNZ. What do you think will happen to the budgets then? Cue gigantic exploding nuclear mushroom cloud. What flow on effect would that have to the next cycle? 

Tom, you're an absolute numbskull. 

There is plenty of good stuff to talk about in AC at the moment, especially with Alinghi back in. Support your sport, don't try and rip those down who are pushing it's limits.

I'm in awe you had the fortitude to listen through it.

[barfy 1,305]

8 hours ago, Stingray~ said:

Am just saying I enjoy Sailing Illustrated and so try to not miss the shows. So freakin' what? 

No, you are giving TE powers of amazing dexterity which are difficult to back up with hard facts.

Fun, but not really.

 

8 hours ago, Stingray~ said:

 

I give credit to TE for being bright, experienced and humorous/entertaining. Also for having produced over 475 shows (!!!) and counting with amazing dexterity

 

[atwinda 206]

16 hours ago, Stingray~ said:

True but a lot of what TE covers AC-wise is splashed all over the papers too, although he does sometimes also forecast some it of correctly. It is not like he is the story, more a 'story-teller' in the way he is able to condense subject-matter from the sailing world in a way most people would not to try do on their own. It's nice to tune into a show that has it already prepared. The Oman Sail Muscat pieces today are a good example, they were superb.

I give credit to TE for being bright, experienced and humorous/entertaining. Also for having produced over 475 shows (!!!) and counting with amazing dexterity. That he has had such a wide-ranging guest list is impressive too, including with open invitations to his friend Russell Greene at ETNZ whose appearance has been accepted and is pending. 

Judging by his tight group of mostly-classy viewers they must feel the same way. 

I really do think it's great that someone has put themselves out there to produce a sailing specific show, and that they've been able to keep it going for 450+ shows. But it's just hard to watch unless there is a reputable guest (not MW), or we're close enough to an actual cup event that there is non-speculative news to share and discuss.

All the "ac news" right now is just wasteful- what we read is doom and gloom, and TE plays into that so well- but what we see with actual team press releases and media statements is that the teams are working on their design teams, tooling, designing and building their required hydrogen foiling boats, etc... They are just getting on, doing the work they need to do to win the cup. But that doesn't make a compelling story.

[NeedAClew 1,786]

It was very in-crowd with the FOSI subscribers getting mentioned all the time.  Is he going to do more covid shows? Plus it is/was too long.

Props for production value but content needs tightening for me to watch again.

[Stingray~ 2,280]

2 hours ago, NeedAClew said:

It was very in-crowd with the FOSI subscribers getting mentioned all the time.  Is he going to do more covid shows? Plus it is/was too long.

Props for production value but content needs tightening for me to watch again.

Yes, he does cover Covid developments in some detail, and not always just sailing-events-related. To his credit he presciently started alerting folks to the possible implications very soon after the first reports out of Wuhan, well before the implications became alarming to the rest of the world. And yes, some viewers would prefer there was less importance placed on it, on a sailing show. Me, I appreciate being able to ask actual specialists like McIrvine real-time, on occasion.

Yes, it typically runs 2 hrs or so. Being retired now and given that time of day, it works well for me.

[NeedAClew 1,786]

I preferred a shorter show of whatever content and not that vitamin megadose cult crap from the UK doctor of nursing.  Once and gone. 

[cbulger 164]

I listen/watch occasionally and no doubt the show takes a lot or work to put together - the production is remarkably smooth and Tom has real "talk-show" skills.  But it is targeted to my demographic (old white American) - both cadence and content - and there is nowhere near enough of that demo's content to support 2 shows per week.  These forums (with selection), Bar Karate and Broad Reach Radio are way ahead in terms of informing and promoting the sport.

[Sea Breeze 74 712]

I find him unwatchable. He sometimes has a few interesting tidbits but I cannot sit through a session. It's like watching my dear old dad trying to get the right HDMI input on the TV, he gets there in the end but it's fucking painful to witness.

I prefer Stingray take one for the team and tell us the relevant points later.

[Sailbydate 3,613]

10 minutes ago, Sea Breeze 74 said:

I find him unwatchable. He sometimes has a few interesting tidbits but I cannot sit through a session. It's like watching my dear old dad trying to get the right HDMI input on the TV, he gets there in the end but it's fucking painful to witness.

I prefer Stingray take one for the team and tell us the relevant points later.

I feel his pain, never mind yours. ;-)

[Fiji Bitter 1,976]

2 hours ago, Sailbydate said:

I feel his pain, never mind yours. ;-)

Never mind the pain, old man, you're doing quite allright over here.

Just saying.

[Sailbydate 3,613]

53 minutes ago, Fiji Bitter said:

Never mind the pain, old man, you're doing quite allright over here.

Just saying.

Can't disagree with that. Long may it last, eh? ;-)

[Stingray~ 2,280]

23 hours ago, Sea Breeze 74 said:

I prefer Stingray take one for the team and tell us the relevant points later.

Don't have a summary handy this time but if anyone cares here's a pointer to today's AC segment. Someone sent him a bad link (old article) and it took a moment to figure that out, but most of it's fun enough.

Scroll to around 41:30 

https://fb.watch/9PDJQLkEUj/

 

[The_Alchemist 1,433]

TE's show is full of self promotion, fan bag mail reading and misguided political rambling.  Yes, it can be tough to listen to him live, that is why I "skim" the replay of the show.   I just consume it the parts I want, mostly just the AC.

But TE is a person with a lot of connections and experience in the nitty gritty of AC dealings.  He has the ability to give his insight and bring in guests that are involved with the AC situation.  Nobody on SAAC has the same ability to talk directly to all of these people and fill us in on the info and rumors.  It is a place to be kept up to date on what is happening in the AC.

[floater 696]

also, don't forget Mr. Ehman was sitting there when Russell and Co. spirited the Cup away to Bermuda. Can he ever be forgiven for selling the cup to the highest bidder, racing far from home, and abandoning all the fans (who - understandably - no longer gaf about a team that would do that)?

asking for a friend.

[Stingray~ 2,280]

1 hour ago, floater said:

also, don't forget Mr. Ehman was sitting there when Russell and Co. spirited the Cup away to Bermuda. Can he ever be forgiven for selling the cup to the highest bidder, racing far from home, and abandoning all the fans (who - understandably - no longer gaf about a team that would do that)?

asking for a friend.

TE never never approved of taking AC35 to Bermuda. Since SF was unavailable he argued for finding another US, hopefully west-coast venue. 
 

Anyway, on the venue subject, he has invitations out to a variety of key players on all sides, including to Farmer which could well be worth a watch if he accepts the invitation to be a guest. 

[NeedAClew 1,786]

1 hour ago, floater said:

also, don't forget Mr. Ehman was sitting there when Russell and Co. spirited the Cup away to Bermuda. Can he ever be forgiven for selling the cup to the highest bidder, racing far from home, and abandoning all the fans (who - understandably - no longer gaf about a team that would do that)?

asking for a friend.

I don't believe he continued working for Oracle after they decided to go offshore. I may be wrong, but iirc he resigned from something Oracle/GGYC because of that.

It's just a pity he has to coddle the subscribers/patrons so much that it makes the show so long and unbearable. He reads SA so maybe he can figure out a way to condense the FOSI stuff. 

[Stingray~ 2,280]

1 hour ago, NeedAClew said:

I don't believe he continued working for Oracle after they decided to go offshore. I may be wrong, but iirc he resigned from something Oracle/GGYC because of that.

It's just a pity he has to coddle the subscribers/patrons so much that it makes the show so long and unbearable. He reads SA so maybe he can figure out a way to condense the FOSI stuff. 

The FOSI enjoy the interactive commenting, especially with a bunch of humor attached. Did you see (as example) the ridiculous Camel Beauty Contest segment that followed the AC segment? I actually burst out laughing at one point, was really fun. 

[NeedAClew 1,786]

5 minutes ago, Stingray~ said:

The FOSI enjoy the interactive commenting, especially with a bunch of humor attached. Did you see (as example) the ridiculous Camel Beauty Contest segment that followed the AC segment? I actually burst out laughing at one point, was really fun. 

No I don't watch. Liked the hour show long ago. Then too much pandering. Guess it's pay to play but not bearable for the length that makes. Also the covid and rwnj crap in 2020 presented as "intelligent debate" turned me off permanently. 

[Stingray~ 2,280]

12 minutes ago, NeedAClew said:

No I don't watch. Liked the hour show long ago. Then too much pandering. Guess it's pay to play but not bearable for the length that makes. Also the covid and rwnj crap in 2020 presented as "intelligent debate" turned me off permanently. 

'rwnj'? Anyway, no its not the format for everyone - some folks don't much care for the AC segments, other love dinghies the most, or offshore, etc, so he tries to mix things up. A good-sized group of us appreciate the semi-serious subjects but also see it as good entertainment; we come up with drinking words, make mercilessly good fun of the (super-cool) Jon Emmmet and his segments, have a bunch of inside jokes that refer to past story lines or past TE rants, etc.

 

[NeedAClew 1,786]

Right. A nice insiders club plus sailing. 

If you don’t want to be in the club then no.

[floater 696]

5 hours ago, Stingray~ said:

TE never never approved of taking AC35 to Bermuda. Since SF was unavailable he argued for finding another US, hopefully west-coast venue. 

where, like Alameda. or maybe Treasure Island? sorry..

I do recall you mentioned TE not in favor of Oracle abandoning the GGYC. Although it is interesting that the ABNZYS seemed to be quite happy to lose their Cup - as point of contrast.

[Stingray~ 2,280]

1 minute ago, floater said:

where, like Alameda. or maybe Treasure Island? sorry..

yeah, i wish! 

Even the crumbling P80 might have worked

[Sailbydate 3,613]

28 minutes ago, floater said:

where, like Alameda. or maybe Treasure Island? sorry..

I do recall you mentioned TE not in favor of Oracle abandoning the GGYC. Although it is interesting that the ABNZYS seemed to be quite happy to lose their Cup - as point of contrast.

One had a full war chest - the other does not (yet).

And, just by way of contrast, how much was GGYC paid, to look the other way?

[floater 696]

2 minutes ago, Sailbydate said:

And, just by way of contrast, how much was GGYC paid, to look the other way?

I believe their building got some new paint.. but not sure if its legit to call it "getting paid to look the other way".

[ChairborneRanger 82]

On 12/11/2021 at 12:43 PM, Stingray~ said:

Don't have a summary handy this time but if anyone cares here's a pointer to today's AC segment. Someone sent him a bad link (old article) and it took a moment to figure that out, but most of it's fun enough.

Scroll to around 41:30 

https://fb.watch/9PDJQLkEUj/

 

Classic example of Tom's uselessness and true nature coming out. He was so exciting at receiving "bad news" about ETNZ that he could fawn over, that he totally forget to do any actual journalistic research..... like checking the date.... or the fact that Lomas was mentioned... Or the fact Holyrod was in the wrong team..

Useless.

 

 

[Stingray~ 2,280]

1 hour ago, ChairborneRanger said:

Classic example of Tom's uselessness and true nature coming out. He was so exciting at receiving "bad news" about ETNZ that he could fawn over, that he totally forget to do any actual journalistic research..... like checking the date.... or the fact that Lomas was mentioned... Or the fact Holyrod was in the wrong team..

Useless.

 

 

I bet he spent all of 10 seconds previewing that article, mostly noting the 'Dec 11' date, then went about inserting it into the show's schedule deck. I happen to know who sent him the damn thing, they should be ashamed for causing that f-cup, glad the confusion lasted only 90 secs or so.

[Forourselves 1,691]

BREAKING NEWS!!! Dennis Connor beats the Kookaburra Team to win back the Americas Cup off Fremantle Australia!

 

 

[Fiji Bitter 1,976]

4 minutes ago, Forourselves said:

BREAKING NEWS!!! Dennis Connor beats the Kookaburra Team to win back the Americas Cup off Fremantle Australia!

 

 

I heard, after easily defeating KZ Plastic Cheater in LV final. Your brother Foredecker didn't want to stay, and jumped. Admittedly it was their first attempt. Oh, and btw, Dalts was on the spare boat.

[dg_sailingfan 70]

@ChairborneRanger
Here comes the worst News of the Day: Ehman announced that he has Jim Farmer as Guest on his Show on Friday.

Do you want anymore proof that Ehman has an Agenda now to destroy the AC and have an Auckland Defence at any cost? He will do anything at his disposal to destroy Grant Dalton!!!

[Sailbydate 3,613]

4 hours ago, dg_sailingfan said:

@ChairborneRanger
Here comes the worst News of the Day: Ehman announced that he has Jim Farmer as Guest on his Show on Friday.

Do you want anymore proof that Ehman has an Agenda now to destroy the AC and have an Auckland Defence at any cost? He will do anything at his disposal to destroy Grant Dalton!!!

In the old man's dreams, he might believe he still has that much power and influence. 

[Chobani Sailor 197]

26 minutes ago, Sailbydate said:

In the old man's dreams, he might believe he still has that much power and influence. 

Auckland Defence reached out to all the challengers requesting them to make a sizeable contribution to the "fund" to keep the event in Auckland.

[atwinda 206]

3 minutes ago, Chobani Sailor said:

Auckland Defence reached out to all the challengers requesting them to make a sizeable contribution to the "fund" to keep the event in Auckland.

I hope Dunphy and co slip up somehow and GD/ETNZ gets to take legal action against them. GD has already fired a few "we know you're snooping around" warning shots.

If they are so sure that they can put together a winning team, then they should enter another challenger from another NZ YC at least that might get them a seat at the table until they run outta money.

[dg_sailingfan 70]

9 minutes ago, Chobani Sailor said:

Auckland Defence reached out to all the challengers requesting them to make a sizeable contribution to the "fund" to keep the event in Auckland.

This is how far it has gotten. Unbelievable! So DESPERATE, the KHD!!! Insane Clowns, all of them...Farmer, Dunphy and Ross.

[chesirecat 721]

17 minutes ago, Chobani Sailor said:

Auckland Defence reached out to all the challengers requesting them to make a sizeable contribution to the "fund" to keep the event in Auckland.

No wonder JR texted Grant just before his Squadron address  emphasising Ineos wasnt putting any funds into event costs

[Rennmaus 3,064]

17 minutes ago, atwinda said:

I hope Dunphy and co slip up somehow and GD/ETNZ gets to take legal action against them. GD has already fired a few "we know you're snooping around" warning shots.

If they are so sure that they can put together a winning team, then they should enter another challenger from another NZ YC at least that might get them a seat at the table until they run outta money.

How shall that happen under the Deed? Only foreign YCs are allowed to challenge.

[floater 696]

5 hours ago, dg_sailingfan said:

Do you want anymore proof that Ehman has an Agenda now to destroy the AC and have an Auckland Defence at any cost? He will do anything at his disposal to destroy Grant Dalton!!!

or maybe they just want what's best for the cup. you know, trying to avoid the whole "lets exploit the cup for all its worth" kind of thing..

24 minutes ago, atwinda said:

I hope Dunphy and co slip up somehow and GD/ETNZ gets to take legal action against them.

 

24 minutes ago, dg_sailingfan said:

This is how far it has gotten. Unbelievable! So DESPERATE, the KHD!!! Insane Clowns, all of them...Farmer, Dunphy and Ross.

 

16 minutes ago, chesirecat said:

No wonder JR texted Grant just before his Squadron address  emphasising Ineos wasnt putting any funds into event costs

well. yeah. racing in Auckland for sure makes ETNZ stronger (home court advantage - big time). Racing abroad, in general, an advantage for the challengers.

Its almost like there are Kiwis out there who don't want to host the cup. baffling.

[atwinda 206]

10 minutes ago, Rennmaus said:

How shall that happen under the Deed? Only foreign YCs are allowed to challenge.

I was going to add "If that's possible". I guess my point either way is, dunphy and co, haven't done shit to get a say in what happens, and if they want one, they should do something to win the cup for themselves. Cause right now they are doing the equivalent of screaming "They're playing with their own toy in a way I don't like!!!", and trying to go to all the other kids in the yard to see if they agree.

[Stingray~ 2,280]

I see no problem with KHD canvassing the Challs to ask if they'd help sponsor an Auckland event. Will any of them offer to help make it happen? No idea..

As to the supposed text from JR to Dalts, wth knows what JR actually wanted. Maybe JR prefers Auckland but GD stuck to his guns regardless.

[Forourselves 1,691]

3 minutes ago, floater said:

or maybe they just want what's best for the cup. you know, trying to avoid the whole "lets exploit the cup for all its worth" kind of thing..

 

 

well. yeah. racing in Auckland for sure makes ETNZ stronger (home court advantage - big time). Racing abroad, in general, an advantage for the challengers.

Its almost like there are Kiwis out there who don't want to host the cup. baffling.

Kiwi’s would rather win the Cup, than lose it. 

[Stingray~ 2,280]

10 minutes ago, floater said:

Its almost like there are Kiwis out there who don't want to host the cup. baffling.

Those Kiwis have bought the line that a home defense means losing. Nobody is proposing an underfunded defense in Auckland, nobody. The 'Defend it offshore and win OR Defend it here and lose' is a false dichotomy, it's nonsense.

[atwinda 206]

1 minute ago, floater said:

Its almost like there are Kiwis people out there who don't want to host the cup. baffling.

I'm not sure if you quoted me in reference to this.. However, there is something extremely simple which everyone screaming to host the defence is missing. Dalton has done this before (more than once), he knows what the actual dollar value required is. Dunphy simply hasn't. I'm not saying every time, but most times folks make claims to be able to do something for far cheaper than the going rate, the result is pretty poor.

Personally, I would love it if the defence remained in AKL, as it would be more feasible for me to make my way there than say the ME. While I could potentially make it to other European venues, my draw to do so is much less than AKL. And besides, the TV coverage is excellent these days, so watching from home on my comfy couch suits me just fine as well.

The AKL or nothing mindset is a gross over-reaction. But I also understand that my feelings or level of importance in the cup don't mean a damn thing to anyone.

[Forourselves 1,691]

13 minutes ago, Stingray~ said:

Those Kiwis have bought the line that a home defense means losing. Nobody is proposing an underfunded defense in Auckland, nobody. The 'Defend it offshore and win OR Defend it here and lose' is a false dichotomy, it's nonsense.

Is it? Do you know that for a fact? No you don’t. Dalton is the CEO of the current AC champions. He knows what it takes to win, and what happens when you lose. Anyone who thinks Dunphy knows better than Dalts what it takes to win is stupid. 

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1 hour ago, Stingray~ said:

The 'Defend it offshore and win OR Defend it here and lose' is a false dichotomy, it's nonsense.

'Defend it offshore' and you've already lost the cup..

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11 minutes ago, floater said:

'Defend it offshore' and you've already lost the cup..

Well, good thing Dalts and the boys are going to head out to win it back again. 

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5 minutes ago, atwinda said:

Well, good thing Dalts and the boys are going to head out to win it back again. 

win it for who?

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Emirates, Toyota?

[atwinda 206]

The trophy will be bolted in place in the Royal New Zealand Yacht Squadron - get over it.

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35 minutes ago, atwinda said:

Well, good thing Dalts and the boys are going to head out to win it back again. 

If you listen to Dunphy and Co their intent is for GD and ETNZ to win it again in Auckland, and then to continue winning it in Auckland, creating a long-lasting dynasty of successful NZ defenses from in NZ.

[atwinda 206]

7 minutes ago, Stingray~ said:

If you listen to Dunphy and Co their intent is for GD and ETNZ to win it again in Auckland, and then to continue winning it in Auckland, creating a long-lasting dynasty of successful NZ defenses from in NZ.

It's pretty clear that their intent is to undermine GD and ETNZ at all costs.

[Sailbydate 3,613]

6 minutes ago, Stingray~ said:

If you listen to Dunphy and Co their intent is for GD and ETNZ to win it again in Auckland, and then to continue winning it in Auckland, creating a long-lasting dynasty of successful NZ defenses from in NZ.

How fucking magnanimous of, Dunphy & KHD. What an absolute bunch or pretenders. 

[dg_sailingfan 70]

5 minutes ago, atwinda said:

It's pretty clear that their intent is to undermine GD and ETNZ at all costs.

That's excatly what it is! They want to take over the Team. Mister Jim Farmer QC was the initial backer from Dunphy who wanted Grant Dalton fired!

I can only imagine what happens once Dalts figures out that Dunphy, Farmer and Ross are lobbying Ernesto, Patrizio and Doug DeVos/Hap Fauth to contribute funds to the KHD to have the Event in Auckland all while GD is desperately trying to secure a Host Venue Agreement.

Dunphy & Co. are going to be done.

[Forourselves 1,691]

22 minutes ago, Stingray~ said:

If you listen to Dunphy and Co their intent is for GD and ETNZ to win it again in Auckland, and then to continue winning it in Auckland, creating a long-lasting dynasty of successful NZ defenses from in NZ.

If that was the case, he would never have tried to blackmail the team and the Squadron. 
Their intent was for Dalton to be sacked and the team to be restructured and reshaped into their vision whether the team wanted it or not. That was their only intent. It was nothing but a failed takeover of Team NZ.

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1 hour ago, atwinda said:

The trophy will be bolted in place in the Royal New Zealand Yacht Squadron - get over it.

lol. Its my understanding that Dalts himself that plans to move it to Cork. or Doha. or wherever. but the plan is to take it.

I guess its all of NZ that's gonna have to get over it..

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1 hour ago, atwinda said:

It's pretty clear that their intent is to undermine GD and ETNZ at all costs.

I call bullshit on that. GD is attacking them because he feels threatened about if they are trying to remove him (they definitely are not, from the ETNZ-run accounting side of things anyway) and is wildly accusing them of a 'corporate takeover attempt' (they have never once suggested that either) and here is the larger, ten-thousand ft view: KHD want ETNZ to not only win, but to keep winning for the long haul. In Auckland.

Some folks here are deeply into the CoD (Cult of Dalt) but there IS another alternative to him taking the Cup away from NZ. I hope a mediator gets involved because when you hear the ABNZYS and even ETNZ claiming that their first preference is to Defend in NZ, well then if they are being honest then parties have a lot in common.

As to Farmer accepting the invite to be on TE's show come Friday, I expect we will hear basically what he presented to the ABNZYS recently, which could be interesting for that side of the discussion. As balance, an invitation has also been accepted by ETNZ's Greene, for at a later time.

 

 

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16 minutes ago, Stingray~ said:

I call bullshit on that. GD is attacking them because he feels threatened about if they are trying to remove him (they definitely are not, from the ETNZ-run accounting side of things anyway) and is wildly accusing them of a 'corporate takeover attempt' (they have never once suggested that either) and here is the larger, ten-thousand ft view: KHD want ETNZ to not only win, but to keep winning for the long haul. In Auckland.

Some folks here are deeply into the CoD (Cult of Dalt) but there IS another alternative to him taking the Cup away from NZ. I hope a mediator gets involved because when you hear the ABNZYS and even ETNZ claiming that their first preference is to Defend in NZ, well then if they are being honest then parties have a lot in common.

As to Farmer accepting the invite to be on TE's show come Friday, I expect we will hear basically what he presented to the ABNZYS recently, which could be interesting for that side of the discussion. As balance, an invitation has also been accepted by ETNZ's Greene, for at a later time.

 

 

It's interesting that you don't view their attempts to try to get NYSC involved, and now snooping around with the other teams as anything but an attempted take over.

If you were doing any other job, and someone started poking around your contacts saying they could do better for less, and querying potential oversight boards, would you still think the same thing?

For what it's worth, I don't believe that Grant is the be all-end all of ETNZ, he's human and prone to same mistakes as the rest of us. But If I had to place my bets on Grant Dalton or NYSC brown noser Dunphy to win the AC, it sure as shit wouldn't be the group with absolutely ZERO AC experience.

[dg_sailingfan 70]

39 minutes ago, atwinda said:

It's interesting that you don't view their attempts to try to get NYSC involved, and now snooping around with the other teams as anything but an attempted take over.

If you were doing any other job, and someone started poking around your contacts saying they could do better for less, and querying potential oversight boards, would you still think the same thing?

For what it's worth, I don't believe that Grant is the be all-end all of ETNZ, he's human and prone to same mistakes as the rest of us. But If I had to place my bets on Grant Dalton or NYSC brown noser Dunphy to win the AC, it sure as shit wouldn't be the group with absolutely ZERO AC experience.

+ 1000000

Stingray is deluded to the Mark Dunphy, Jim Farmer, Hamish Ross Clown Show!

Bottom Line: It was Jim Farmer who wanted GD removed but of course Stingray wouldn't know and is now ignoring that part of the Story to fit his own narrative. The attempted removal of GD is one of the Major Reasons Dalts doesn't want to do anymore deals with KHD and Dunphy.

I am very disappointed in Tom Ehman allowing Farmer into his Show so that this QC can continue the orchestrated Media Campaign against the RNZYS, ETNZ and Dalton and spread falsehoods and misinformation.

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38 minutes ago, atwinda said:

It's interesting that you don't view their attempts to try to get NYSC involved, and now snooping around with the other teams as anything but an attempted take over.

If you were doing any other job, and someone started poking around your contacts saying they could do better for less, and querying potential oversight boards, would you still think the same thing?

For what it's worth, I don't believe that Grant is the be all-end all of ETNZ, he's human and prone to same mistakes as the rest of us. But If I had to place my bets on Grant Dalton or NYSC brown noser Dunphy to win the AC, it sure as shit wouldn't be the group with absolutely ZERO AC experience.

For all we know, the reason Dunphy called NYYC may have been about a wide range of subjects, including their possible 'interest' and so help for keeping the next event in Auckland. During his appearance on TE's show, he said they spoke for over an hour.

Yes, I can see how GD may feel threatened but it could be a misguided fear. 

Nobody is arguing to jack GD from what he does best. I would suggest that does not include counting how many public toilets need to be available, and other event-run matters best left to others.

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2 hours ago, Stingray~ said:

and here is the larger, ten-thousand ft view: KHD want ETNZ to not only win, but to keep winning for the long haul. In Auckland.

And Santa will be along soon, too Stinger. I hope you've been good. ;-)

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1 hour ago, Sailbydate said:

And Santa will be along soon, too Stinger. I hope you've been good. ;-)

It may sound too good to be true to NZ'ers but what if that really is true?

[Sailbydate 3,613]

1 minute ago, Stingray~ said:

It may sound too good to be true to NZ'ers but what if that really is true?

You mean about, Santa?

[Stingray~ 2,280]

3 minutes ago, Sailbydate said:

You mean about, Santa?

You never know, we can all dream 

[Forourselves 1,691]

3 hours ago, Stingray~ said:

For all we know, the reason Dunphy called NYYC may have been about a wide range of subjects, including their possible 'interest' and so help for keeping the next event in Auckland. During his appearance on TE's show, he said they spoke for over an hour.

Yes, I can see how GD may feel threatened but it could be a misguided fear. 

 

Thats not what the affidavit from the NYYC said...

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So let's pretend a scenario where GD says 'Fuck you despicable, underhanded guys' (whah, whah, whah) 'Since I can't cash in offshore I'm just walking away, retiring.' 

Surely ETNZ can still keep getting stronger, while building on their advantages? Aside from being an accounting-guy cheap-ass manipulator, what does he have left to offer? Seems he has blown even his relationship with di Mora? How is it that he emotionally makes enemies with basically everyone eventually? How does that benefit ETNZ?

Diplomacy is in very short supply, the stance has instead been naked aggression. 

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1 hour ago, Stingray~ said:

So let's pretend a scenario where GD says 'Fuck you despicable, underhanded guys' (whah, whah, whah) 'Since I can't cash in offshore I'm just walking away, retiring.' 

Surely ETNZ can still keep getting stronger, while building on their advantages? Aside from being an accounting-guy cheap-ass manipulator, what does he have left to offer? Seems he has blown even his relationship with di Mora? How is it that he emotionally makes enemies with basically everyone eventually? How does that benefit ETNZ?

Diplomacy is in very short supply, the stance has instead been naked aggression. 

Oh Shitray, you're completely losing it again, no point arguing with you anylonger.

Just tell me, have you been invited to another Covid bbq party again, the Omygod variant this time?

Or go and do 6 RTW Races, run 6 campaigns, win 2, and sail a bunch of other stuff that you can only dream of. Your continuous bad mouthing people who actually do things rather well, are successful, keep their team together largerly unchanged, is getting very old. Quite honestly you are just as despicable as some of the biggest haters and trolls here, under the guise of Mr Nice and Know-all, a Tom E arse licker who's slander and innuendo has no limits.

Just saying.

 

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9 hours ago, dg_sailingfan said:

 

Dunphy & Co. are going to be done.

You've announced they are done, dead or toast so many times. And now they are only "going to be done"?

These guys have more lives than Lazarus

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12 hours ago, Stingray~ said:

How is it that he emotionally makes enemies with basically everyone eventually?

fwiw - this article a few years old (June 25, 2017). But its well written, and somehow still seems current.

GO ON, admit it. Deep down, in the places you don't care to reach into, you don't really like Grant Dalton OBE. You're not sure exactly why, but the animus lurks.

Another thing you probably already suspected is that Dalton could easily qualify for the world championship of holding grudges. (lol)

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/grant-dalton-for-love-and-money/QMZ2IH3KHAGCSZZ4IQIG7UDCZE/

ps: do not forward to Ehman!

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10 minutes ago, floater said:

fwiw - this article a few years old (June 25, 2017). But well written, and still seems current.

GO ON, admit it. Deep down, in the places you don't care to reach into, you don't really like Grant Dalton OBE. You're not sure exactly why, but the animus lurks.

Another thing you probably already suspected is that Dalton could easily qualify for the world championship of holding grudges. (lol)

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/grant-dalton-for-love-and-money/QMZ2IH3KHAGCSZZ4IQIG7UDCZE/

ps: do not forward to Ehman!

 

[rh3000 1,883]

18 hours ago, Stingray~ said:

I call bullshit on that.

 

 

This forum called bullshit on your posts a few years back mate... 

[Stingray~ 2,280]

5 hours ago, floater said:

fwiw - this article a few years old (June 25, 2017). But its well written, and somehow still seems current.

GO ON, admit it. Deep down, in the places you don't care to reach into, you don't really like Grant Dalton OBE. You're not sure exactly why, but the animus lurks.

Another thing you probably already suspected is that Dalton could easily qualify for the world championship of holding grudges. (lol)

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/grant-dalton-for-love-and-money/QMZ2IH3KHAGCSZZ4IQIG7UDCZE/

ps: do not forward to Ehman!

Funny.

TE streamed his today-show also to YT, here's that link

 

[dogwatch 1,318]

Could you summarise please?

[Fiji Bitter 1,976]

Just now, dogwatch said:

Could you summarise please?

I hear.

[dogwatch 1,318]

3 minutes ago, Fiji Bitter said:

I hear.

One hears.

[Fiji Bitter 1,976]

Just now, dogwatch said:

One hears.

Really? So you admit you listened to him...

I tried, and admit it, but fell asleep.