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40 minutes ago, Movable Ballast said:

I disagree. Carter was at least running his own show. Biden doesn't have the mental capacity to wipe his ass. So, there's that.  

While all Democrats are awful & very bad, terrible, no-good, and socialistical, some are worse than others.

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3 minutes ago, Great Red Shark said:

Exactly what DID Jimmy Carter DO that you disapprove of so much?    You wanted to go to war over the Panama Canal maybe?

 

Jimmy Carter went behind his own back, and made a deal with Iran to hold hostages until he was out of office, so that he could do volunteer work for non-profit organizations, and over see fair elections across the globe. All things you really can't do with Congresss blocking your way. Oh, and he worked with OPEC to raise oil prices so that working class people had a difficult time making ends meet.

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3 hours ago, Madmax said:

It is sad that a basement hiding career politician is now ruining our country.  Total and complete idiot.

Exactly which policies don't you agree with that Carter enacted. Use details and reasoning, not just a simplified Fox News talking point.

Same for Biden, for that matter.

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4 minutes ago, Nice! said:

Exactly which policies don't you agree with that Carter enacted. Use details and reasoning, not just a simplified Fox News talking point.

Same for Biden, for that matter.

Like the wind, he's gone.  His work here, is done.

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10 minutes ago, Bus Driver said:

I see Madmax is back at it.  Stop by, drop a deuce in the pool, and then disappear.

He doesn’t have much choice. It is far too humiliating for him to have to reveal that he never learned to spell and has trouble reading. Not sure how he ever got a pilots’ license but he can only ever get through the first paragraph before it all goes to intellectual dung

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1 hour ago, Mrleft8 said:

Jimmy Carter went behind his own back, and made a deal with Iran to hold hostages until he was out of office, so that he could do volunteer work for non-profit organizations, and over see fair elections across the globe. All things you really can't do with Congresss blocking your way. Oh, and he worked with OPEC to raise oil prices so that working class people had a difficult time making ends meet.

Now that's some finely spun whole cloth there.  Hat's off!  (That would be an RR-autographed cowboy hat, by the way.)

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4 minutes ago, Venom said:

Name me just one socialist country that we should model ourselves after, dipshit. China? :D  

Oh, could I name 10 instead?  That have higher standards of living, greater longevity, a better educated population and cuter girls?  Way cuter girls.

 

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I always thought the US was a socialist country. Isn't that what the F35 is all about? When you look at the GWOT and squint, don't you really see a WPA? We sure subsidize airlines, oil companies, ... like a socialist country would.

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27 minutes ago, Venom said:

Name me just one socialist country that we should model ourselves after, dipshit. China? :D  

1) I didn't advocate for socialism.

2) China is not a socialist country.

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Just now, Rain Man said:

Norway.

Norway is actually a socialist-capitalist society. It's not full socialism.

It is, however, classified as the most democratic country in the world, and has the 4th highest per capita income of any country.

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Just now, Nice! said:

Norway is actually a socialist-capitalist society. It's not full socialism.

It is, however, classified as the most democratic country in the world, and has the 4th highest per capita income of any country.

We have to be careful if we are using the real definition of socialism (government owns the means of production) or the US definition of socialism, which is any time the government collects taxes to pay for anything, like F-35's.

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2 hours ago, MR.CLEAN said:

 Not sure how he ever got a pilots’ license

Who says he did?

Other than himself that is.

Does anyone here really think that someone that mentally challenged could actually pull that off?

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8 hours ago, Go Left said:
8 hours ago, Venom said:

Name me just one socialist country that we should model ourselves after, dipshit. China? :D  

Oh, could I name 10 instead?  That have higher standards of living, greater longevity, a better educated population and cuter girls?  Way cuter girls.

I don't think "Venom" (isn't that cute) is interested in girls.

1 hour ago, Dex Sawash said:

I think the thread title is a fair statement. Didn't read the post. Biden's smile may actually be better than Carter's. 

D'you think Joe has ever committed lust in his heart?

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31 minutes ago, Steam Flyer said:

I don't think "Venom" (isn't that cute) is interested in girls.

D'you think Joe has ever committed lust in his heart?

- DSK

Lust for republican-light policy and for abolition of bankruptcy for regular people

 

Edit- aka "marxism/socialism"

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9 hours ago, Nice! said:

Norway is actually a socialist-capitalist society. It's not full socialism.

It is, however, classified as the most democratic country in the world, and has the 4th highest per capita income of any country.

Norway is a fuel depot …almost 20 percent of gdp and 65 percent of exports bubbles out of the earth 

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1 hour ago, slug zitski said:

Norway is a fuel depot …almost 20 percent of gdp and 65 percent of exports bubbles out of the earth 

Yes, and instead of letting multi-national corporations take all the profits, they actually charged royalties for the extraction of resources and kept the money for the people of the country.  Fucking commies.  They need to work on this capitalism/free market thing.

Where I live, we have it figured out.  Not only do we charge minimal royalties on resource extraction, all the companies have to do is whine a little and utter the word "jobs" and we will actually subsidize them to the tune of hundreds of millions of dollars to remove the resources.  That gives the companies money to invest in other places once our resources run out or become expensive to extract.  Now that's capitalism at its finest.

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12 minutes ago, Rain Man said:

Yes, and instead of letting multi-national corporations take all the profits, they actually charged royalties for the extraction of resources and kept the money for the people of the country.  Fucking commies.  They need to work on this capitalism/free market thing.

Where I live, we have it figured out.  Not only do we charge minimal royalties on resource extraction, all the companies have to do is whine a little and utter the word "jobs" and we will actually subsidize them to the tune of hundreds of millions of dollars to remove the resources.  That gives the companies money to invest in other places once our resources run out or become expensive to extract.  Now that's capitalism at its finest.

Not to mention, Canada as a petro currency country, with substantial oil reserves, also imports oil from the middle east, when we could actually be using our own first.

Now that's fucked up.  

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1 minute ago, Keith said:

Not to mention, Canada as a petro currency country, with substantial oil reserves, also imports oil from the middle east, when we could actually be using our own first.

Now that's fucked up.  

Well, we have to make the Saudis rich too.  That's just good capitalism.  We might need them to take care of a journalist or two for us one day.

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1 hour ago, Rain Man said:

Well, we have to make the Saudis rich too.  That's just good capitalism.  We might need them to take care of a journalist or two for us one day.

Canada needs a federally-funded bone-saw industry. 

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15 hours ago, Olsonist said:

I always thought the US was a socialist country. Isn't that what the F35 is all about? When you look at the GWOT and squint, don't you really see a WPA? We sure subsidize airlines, oil companies, ... like a socialist country would.

Socialist if you're a corporation or wealthy, capitalist if you are poor or a wage slave.  It's in the Constitution.

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7 hours ago, Go Left said:

Throw a dart at this map, for starters.  Start in the north.  I got to 10 easy before I got south of France.  

Exclude Russia, of course.

 

 

 

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Is the general US population really so uneducated that they believe that countries likes Norway, Denmark, Germany and the UK are socialist countries?
Socialism has a quite clear definition, and is not a spectrum or function of how much you pay in tax :lol:

I knew it was bad, but not that bad.

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9 minutes ago, ModernViking said:

Is the general US population really so uneducated indoctrinated that they believe that countries likes Norway, Denmark, Germany and the UK are socialist countries?

I knew it was bad, but not that bad.

FIFY. And except for Germany, yes, it"s that bad

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40 minutes ago, ModernViking said:

Is the general US population really so uneducated that they believe that countries likes Norway, Denmark, Germany and the UK are socialist countries?
Socialism has a quite clear definition, and is not a spectrum or function of how much you pay in tax :lol:

I knew it was bad, but not that bad.

ALL governments are socialist to an extent, socialized law enforcement, civil and criminal justice,  education, military, transportation, healthcare, standard of living support.  Now we're just arguing how much socialism is "socialist".

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5 hours ago, ModernViking said:

Is the general US population really so uneducated that they believe that countries likes Norway, Denmark, Germany and the UK are socialist countries?

Are you new here?

That level of ignorance is the foundation of the current problems in the States.

10's of millions of Americans are precisely this ignorant. I can't understand how it happened in such a country and I don't know how - or if - it will ever be resolved

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6 hours ago, ModernViking said:

Is the general US population really so uneducated that they believe that countries likes Norway, Denmark, Germany and the UK are socialist countries?
Socialism has a quite clear definition, and is not a spectrum or function of how much you pay in tax :lol:

I knew it was bad, but not that bad.

I don't think us Americans are thinking the smiling comrades of Nokiastan rise every morning to sing The Internationale in unison. Instead the common understanding of socialism these days is government services. The dictionary definition is:

a political and economic theory of social organization which advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole.

Government services is kind of a subset of that. Roads and schools are kinda sorta socialist. I think the United States is socialist but  that we're really really bad at it. The F35 is a socialist jobs program. The Cold War and the GWOT are jobs programs. We've perverted the word (not unlike a certain mid century modern country). Our government services include putting holes in the ground on the other side of the world. Our tax dollars at work! We don't get world class infrastructure but we get holes in the ground that we can visit.

Do we believe Norway, ... are socialist? Yeah, we do. Your interpretation of government services is just better, and you still have Nokia, Ikea, ....

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11 hours ago, Olsonist said:

I don't think us Americans are thinking the smiling comrades of Nokiastan rise every morning to sing The Internationale in unison. Instead the common understanding of socialism these days is government services. The dictionary definition is:

a political and economic theory of social organization which advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole.

Government services is kind of a subset of that. Roads and schools are kinda sorta socialist. I think the United States is socialist but  that we're really really bad at it. The F35 is a socialist jobs program. The Cold War and the GWOT are jobs programs. We've perverted the word (not unlike a certain mid century modern country). Our government services include putting holes in the ground on the other side of the world. Our tax dollars at work! We don't get world class infrastructure but we get holes in the ground that we can visit.

Do we believe Norway, ... are socialist? Yeah, we do. Your interpretation of government services is just better, and you still have Nokia, Ikea, ....

Government services are local. Nokia and IKEA, which benefitted from those government services are international.

Local support creating world leading enterprises......

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On 12/23/2021 at 8:28 PM, Olsonist said:

I don't think us Americans are thinking the smiling comrades of Nokiastan rise every morning to sing The Internationale in unison. Instead the common understanding of socialism these days is government services. The dictionary definition is:

a political and economic theory of social organization which advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole.

Government services is kind of a subset of that. Roads and schools are kinda sorta socialist. I think the United States is socialist but  that we're really really bad at it. The F35 is a socialist jobs program. The Cold War and the GWOT are jobs programs. We've perverted the word (not unlike a certain mid century modern country). Our government services include putting holes in the ground on the other side of the world. Our tax dollars at work! We don't get world class infrastructure but we get holes in the ground that we can visit.

Do we believe Norway, ... are socialist? Yeah, we do. Your interpretation of government services is just better, and you still have Nokia, Ikea, ....

You kind of proved my point here..
IKEA is Swedish, and Nokia is owned by Microsoft, or what's left of it :)

Anyways, sociaslism is not about a certain amount of government spending, but the fact that the means of production cannot be owned by any individual nor can any property.
I always find it funny when someone says Denmark (where I was born and lived most of my life) is socialist. In Denmark there are two small parties that calls themselves socialists, but they always claim that they live in a neo-liberal regime. The meaning of liberal is different from yours, here it means libterterian, and them adding the neo in front is to make it sound like neo-nazism.

I really don't think that any of you leftists in here would want to live in a socialist country (by the actual definition). 
On the other hand, when it comes to commonly funded health care and education, it is true that we have that, and for myself I would not want to live in a country without commonly funded health care, just because I want anyone in my community to be able get cared for. But also beware that it comes with a price.
You have to do with what you are offered, and you cannot decide where and what kind of treatment you want.It's not black and white.

 

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21 minutes ago, ModernViking said:

You kind of proved my point here..
IKEA is Swedish, and Nokia is owned by Microsoft, or what's left of it :)

Anyways, sociaslism is not about a certain amount of government spending, but the fact that the means of production cannot be owned by any individual nor can any property.
I always find it funny when someone says Denmark (where I was born and lived most of my life) is socialist. In Denmark there are two small parties that calls themselves socialists, but they always claim that they live in a neo-liberal regime. The meaning of liberal is different from yours, here it means libterterian, and them adding the neo in front is to make it sound like neo-nazism.

I really don't think that any of you leftists in here would want to live in a socialist country (by the actual definition). 
On the other hand, when it comes to commonly funded health care and education, it is true that we have that, and for myself I would not want to live in a country without commonly funded health care, just because I want anyone in my community to be able get cared for. But also beware that it comes with a price.
You have to do with what you are offered, and you cannot decide where and what kind of treatment you want.It's not black and white.

 

You have far too much common sense, WTF are you doing trying to talk politics here?

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34 minutes ago, ModernViking said:

You kind of proved my point here..
IKEA is Swedish, and Nokia is owned by Microsoft, or what's left of it :)

Anyways, sociaslism is not about a certain amount of government spending, but the fact that the means of production cannot be owned by any individual nor can any property.
I always find it funny when someone says Denmark (where I was born and lived most of my life) is socialist. In Denmark there are two small parties that calls themselves socialists, but they always claim that they live in a neo-liberal regime. The meaning of liberal is different from yours, here it means libterterian, and them adding the neo in front is to make it sound like neo-nazism.

I really don't think that any of you leftists in here would want to live in a socialist country (by the actual definition). 
On the other hand, when it comes to commonly funded health care and education, it is true that we have that, and for myself I would not want to live in a country without commonly funded health care, just because I want anyone in my community to be able get cared for. But also beware that it comes with a price.
You have to do with what you are offered, and you cannot decide where and what kind of treatment you want.It's not black and white.

Again, I'm not saying Denmark rises to sing the Internationale either. But I do say that large government spending is 'socialistical'. I just think our spending is mis-spent. Hell, we just spent $6T putting holes in the ground in the ME. That created a lot of jobs but at the end of the day, all we had were a bunch of holes in the ground in the ME.

Let me try a different angle, a walks like a duck angle. Suppose that country X is by your definition socialist, in the dictionary sense. Would that country not have large government spending?

My point is that the F35 is a socialist works project. It isn't a very good works project but it takes money in and spends it in such a way that the means of production are controlled by the state. The right wing wants to see the F35 as a capitalist freedom machine. It isn't. It's a socialist work project. It is what Eisenhower warned us about, the evil spawn of the Military Industrial Complex.

You're right about not wanting to live in an actual socialist paradise. I bicycled through Yugoslavia, Hungary, Czechoslovakia and East Germany after the Wall came down. They were a buzz of activity to get away from that version of socialism. But we have a shitty socialist paradise as well. Seriously, if you look at the right wingers here in SA, you'll find a large number of government and defense workers. They wouldn't know capitalism or entrepreneurism if it hired them. But they sure hate socialism.

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14 minutes ago, Olsonist said:

...   ... if you look at the right wingers here in SA, you'll find a large number of government and defense workers. They wouldn't know capitalism or entrepreneurism if it hired them. But they sure hate socialism.

They hate socialism for dark-skinned people.

That's what it boils down to.

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44 minutes ago, Olsonist said:

Again, I'm not saying Denmark rises to sing the Internationale either. But I do say that large government spending is 'socialistical'. I just think our spending is mis-spent. Hell, we just spent $6T putting holes in the ground in the ME. That created a lot of jobs but at the end of the day, all we had were a bunch of holes in the ground in the ME.

Let me try a different angle, a walks like a duck angle. Suppose that country X is by your definition socialist, in the dictionary sense. Would that country not have large government spending?

My point is that the F35 is a socialist works project. It isn't a very good works project but it takes money in and spends it in such a way that the means of production are controlled by the state. The right wing wants to see the F35 as a capitalist freedom machine. It isn't. It's a socialist work project. It is what Eisenhower warned us about, the evil spawn of the Military Industrial Complex.

You're right about not wanting to live in an actual socialist paradise. I bicycled through Yugoslavia, Hungary, Czechoslovakia and East Germany after the Wall came down. They were a buzz of activity to get away from that version of socialism. But we have a shitty socialist paradise as well. Seriously, if you look at the right wingers here in SA, you'll find a large number of government and defense workers. They wouldn't know capitalism or entrepreneurism if it hired them. But they sure hate socialism.

I appreciate that you actually engage in a serious debate about it.
I think it is important not to cherish socialism in its definition, because it has proven to be very bad for the general population, while not bad for the "top socialists".
There is in my opinion no good version of sociaslism. That aside it is legit to discuss how much/many services should be commonly funded, but please don't use that as promotion of actual socialism.

What I see here in Denmark is that when you let the government take care of services is that it get's much more expensive and leave the general pouplation with less choices.
I believe that we should strive to improve, and find a solution between both ends of the spectrum.
Ideally I think that in regards to health care, it should be commonly funded, but the actual services still driven by private actors who compete for the best service, where each individual can choose their supplier. That is not the case here.
More often than not, it ends up with more expensive outcome and less effective health-care.
Yeah as I said - it is really not easy, but that doesn't mean that we should not still try to improve.

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1 minute ago, ModernViking said:

I appreciate that you actually engage in a serious debate about it.
I think it is important not to cherish socialism in its definition, because it has proven to be very bad for the general population, while not bad for the "top socialists".
There is in my opinion no good version of sociaslism. That aside it is legit to discuss how much/many services should be commonly funded, but please don't use that as promotion of actual socialism.

What I see here in Denmark is that when you let the government take care of services is that it get's much more expensive and leave the general pouplation with less choices.
I believe that we should strive to improve, and find a solution between both ends of the spectrum.
Ideally I think that in regards to health care, it should be commonly funded, but the actual services still driven by private actors who compete for the best service, where each individual can choose their supplier. That is not the case here.
More often than not, it ends up with more expensive outcome and less effective health-care.
Yeah as I said - it is really not easy, but that doesn't mean that we should not still try to improve.

It's hard to imagine any health system that is more expensive than the one in the USA. Our public health care system in Canada is not perfect, but it is miles ahead of the Merkin version.

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2 minutes ago, Ishmael said:

It's hard to imagine any health system that is more expensive than the one in the USA. Our public health care system in Canada is not perfect, but it is miles ahead of the Merkin version.

It is quite easy to find numbers of cost versus effectiveness amongst countries.
While Denmark the "socialists" has one of the most expensive systems, it is not by far the most effective.
 

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One aspect of government spending that shouldn't be overlooked is the stabilizing effect it has on the economy. After the Great Depression, we've had a larger percentage of government spending as a fraction of the GDP.image.thumb.png.a224edf911e9b150ae644df3ff0bf329.png

The interweb says that Denmark is at 53.76% government spending as a fraction of the GDP. Whether that's socialistical or not, I really don't care. What I care about is in fact whether I (or in your case, you) get value for it. I've got potholes out front in Oakland and craters I can visit in the ME. So no, I really don't think I'm getting value for it. I will grant that until W the Stupid came along, this larger government spending as a fraction of the GDP at least did stabilize the economy. He went bonkers nutty with his tax cuts, zero down home loans and two off the books wars.

We've had recessions since but nothing like the GD. The GD was made much much worse by Hoover who austerely tightened the purse strings of already minuscule government spending. Unemployment was at 25% when FDR took over. Austerity was also the Republican byword in 2009.

BTW, I'm on the capitalist/entrepreneurial side of the divide. But I fucking hate fake capitalism with an undying contempt and the F35 embodies that fakeness. Bitcoin/DeFi are Ponzi schemes. There's a lot of fake out there. But I do like government services that work. I want better not less infrastructure. I think GPS is awesome and there's no way in hell that a company would have launched+monetized it. I don't think we'd be where we are with COVID vaccines if we relied solely on the private sector. Basic research is too hard and expensive to monetize directly.

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58 minutes ago, Olsonist said:

Hey dickhead, you should tend your own flock.

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https://www.nytimes.com/2021/12/25/us/omicron-unvaccinated.html

FWIW, I think that testing proposal was stupid. We don't need a testing surge. We need your fellow dickheads to get the jab.

You are foul mouthed and very poorly educated 

you should join the Biden administration 

“About half of all Covid-19 patients in hospital and in intensive care are fully vaccinated against the disease, new figures show.

One-sixth of deaths of people with the virus since April have been categorised as breakthrough infections of fully vaccinated patients, according to Health Service Executive data.

More than one-quarter of ICU admissions since July were also breakthrough infections of fully vaccinated people.”

 

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Let's accept the facts. I can't think of a POTUS who was better than Jimmy Carter, or even as good, so by default all Presidents are worse than Carter.

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18 minutes ago, slug zitski said:

You are foul mouthed and very poorly educated 

you should join the Biden administration 

“About half of all Covid-19 patients in hospital and in intensive care are fully vaccinated against the disease, new figures show.

One-sixth of deaths of people with the virus since April have been categorised as breakthrough infections of fully vaccinated patients, according to Health Service Executive data.

More than one-quarter of ICU admissions since July were also breakthrough infections of fully vaccinated people.”

 

Thanks for the random link to the Irish Times front medical page.  I've been meaning to catch up on local insight into Universal Healthcare.  Didn't see much about your quote.

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1 minute ago, Olsonist said:

Gentlemen, he says that I, me, moi, am foul mouthed and very poorly educated. And all I said was that he was a dickhead.

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I do not understand the purpose nor the reason for his abuse.

He's just the equipment manager for the Atomwaffen Sailing Team. He can cherry-pick data to make any point he wants, but it's still not reality.

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1 minute ago, Olsonist said:

A quote from September ... by a dickhead.

Referencing data from a country that is far more vaccinated than the USA. Of course they are going to have a totally different mix of people being admitted to ICU.

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17 minutes ago, Mrleft8 said:

Let's accept the facts. I can't think of a POTUS who was better than Jimmy Carter, or even as good, so by default all Presidents are worse than Carter.

Certainly not based on their post-presidential careers.

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5 minutes ago, Ishmael said:

He's just the equipment manager for the Atomwaffen Sailing Team. He can cherry-pick data to make any point he wants, but it's still not reality.

I think the proper term is: "Lügenpresse".

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4 minutes ago, Ishmael said:

Referencing data from a country that is far more vaccinated than the USA. Of course they are going to have a totally different mix of people being admitted to ICU.

Good point. Ireland is about 90% vaxxed. Apparently, the Irish have fewer dickheads.

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17 minutes ago, Olsonist said:

Good point. Ireland is about 90% vaxxed. Apparently, the Irish have fewer dickheads.

Nah. The Irish are 90% dickheads.... But they had vaccines at the pubs, so..... "Here, have another pint o'mother's milk and I'll get ye a shot for the road laddie!"

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1 hour ago, slug zitski said:

You are foul mouthed and very poorly educated 

you should join the Biden administration 

“About half of all Covid-19 patients in hospital and in intensive care are fully vaccinated against the disease, new figures show.

One-sixth of deaths of people with the virus since April have been categorised as breakthrough infections of fully vaccinated patients, according to Health Service Executive data.

More than one-quarter of ICU admissions since July were also breakthrough infections of fully vaccinated people.”

 

Got any cites for any of that? Cuz the provided one isn't. 

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8 minutes ago, Nice! said:

Got any cites for any of that? Cuz the provided one isn't. 

Get off your lazy ass and educate yourself about Covid transmission among the 100 percent vaccinated 

it amazes me that they allow you ignorant morons to vote 

 

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38 minutes ago, slug zitski said:

Get off your lazy ass and educate yourself about Covid transmission among the 100 percent vaccinated 

it amazes me that they allow you ignorant morons to vote 

 

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Original post about ICU and death rates. This one about cases.

Good job, SZ.  

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11 hours ago, ModernViking said:

You kind of proved my point here..
IKEA is Swedish, and Nokia is owned by Microsoft, or what's left of it :)

Anyways, sociaslism is not about a certain amount of government spending, but the fact that the means of production cannot be owned by any individual nor can any property.
I always find it funny when someone says Denmark (where I was born and lived most of my life) is socialist. In Denmark there are two small parties that calls themselves socialists, but they always claim that they live in a neo-liberal regime. The meaning of liberal is different from yours, here it means libterterian, and them adding the neo in front is to make it sound like neo-nazism.

I really don't think that any of you leftists in here would want to live in a socialist country (by the actual definition). 
On the other hand, when it comes to commonly funded health care and education, it is true that we have that, and for myself I would not want to live in a country without commonly funded health care, just because I want anyone in my community to be able get cared for. But also beware that it comes with a price.
You have to do with what you are offered, and you cannot decide where and what kind of treatment you want.It's not black and white.

 

The concept of there being degrees of things (like socialism) eludes you doesn't it?

Why don't you try it again but this time try Social Democracy.

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8 hours ago, Ishmael said:

Referencing data from a country that is far more vaccinated than the USA. Of course they are going to have a totally different mix of people being admitted to ICU.

And anyway, if any vaccinated people get the bug we just shouldn't bother with vaccinations.

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8 hours ago, Mrleft8 said:

Let's accept the facts. I can't think of a POTUS who was better than Jimmy Carter, or even as good, so by default all Presidents are worse than Carter.

Certainly not based on their post-presidential careers.

Carter was very probably the best man to be POTUS, at least in my lifetime, but he was not the best POTUS.

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7 hours ago, Ishmael said:

Is this who we are talking about?

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He doesn't have any redeeming qualities.

Not a single one.

He embodies every human failing in a single person.

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12 hours ago, SloopJonB said:

He doesn't have any redeeming qualities.

Not a single one.

He embodies every human failing in a single person.

But he isn't the worst in some areas.  For instance, he may be smarter than Sluggo and JerkZ combined.  

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1 hour ago, Ishmael said:

So that would put him at the same level as a planarian.

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I was thinking nematode, but yes. 

You could give him the benefit of the doubt and say, probably two planarians, except planarians are capable of obtaining their own food without help.  

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