voodoochile 41 Posted January 15 Share Posted January 15 https://www.facebook.com/503848323/videos/424345405959490 Tug is showing 2 white lights, so towing, less than 200m line. Following current, tried to slow down but barge full of stone kept going? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DELETED 208 Posted January 16 Share Posted January 16 Quick Smash the Glass & Break out the emergency clean underwear! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
nolatom 587 Posted January 16 Share Posted January 16 probably hawser a lot shorter than 200 meters, so if engine conks (looks like no power or visible prop wash, rake-bow barge pushes and trips him. Why'd you pick Sailing Anarchy? No sails visible. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
fastyacht 2,603 Posted January 16 Share Posted January 16 11 minutes ago, nolatom said: probably hawser a lot shorter than 200 meters, so if engine conks (looks like no power or visible prop wash, rake-bow barge pushes and trips him. Why'd you pick Sailing Anarchy? No sails visible. Because sailboats like to sail between tugs and barges? PSA? Or do we need Tugboat Anarchy? I would start that :-D Quote Link to post Share on other sites
fastyacht 2,603 Posted January 16 Share Posted January 16 That guy has some cool photos on his page. One of a washout under a railroad. Also he fishes for salmon using that old-school technique with the dragless reel--a "centrepin." Very cool. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
nolatom 587 Posted January 16 Share Posted January 16 Fair enough. And we need to know what the tug's mast lights mean. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
fastyacht 2,603 Posted January 16 Share Posted January 16 Just now, nolatom said: Fair enough. And we need to know what the tug's mast lights mean. The other day we had a tug with three white lights and nothing in tow... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Leeroy Jenkins 479 Posted January 16 Share Posted January 16 Overtaken by the tow and pulled sideways is known as girding. He's lucky he didn't capsize. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
nolatom 587 Posted January 16 Share Posted January 16 All too easy to not realize there's a tow. And when there is, too often it's a run-down battery-powered red or green on the bow, barely visible. Joe sixpack sailor (or motorboat) doesn't know the two lights mean a tow, and three white lights mean a really long tow. And they also don't realize what the yellow lights on tug's stern, means. If only more of us sailors and motorboaters would take a Power Squadron or Coast Guard Auxiliary course, we'd have fewer sad stories that didn't have to happen. I took Power Squadrons when i was 14. No diploma cause you had to be 16. But that knowledge lasts your whole life. Grateful to the volunteers who teach it. 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
fastyacht 2,603 Posted January 16 Share Posted January 16 You can actually find many videos of tugs getting tripped up by their tows all over youtube. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
LB 15 6,534 Posted January 16 Share Posted January 16 19 minutes ago, fastyacht said: You can actually find many videos of tugs getting tripped up by their tows all over youtube. And for more go to pornhub and search ‘Hit from behind’. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Steam Flyer 8,440 Posted January 16 Share Posted January 16 1 hour ago, Leeroy Jenkins said: Overtaken by the tow and pulled sideways is known as girding. He's lucky he didn't capsize. He's damn lucky, looked like a goner there for a minute or two. There may have been a following current but the problem was caused by the barges speed thru the water. - DSK Quote Link to post Share on other sites
fastyacht 2,603 Posted January 16 Share Posted January 16 There's a reason the USCG requires calculations to show adequate stability to satisfy the "towline pull criterion" which was "written in blood" like most all the rules. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Tacoma Mud Flats 65 Posted January 16 Share Posted January 16 Sod's third corollary of physics in action... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DELETED 208 Posted January 16 Share Posted January 16 Could this Be classed as a Tug Reach Around? 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
hobot 4,433 Posted January 16 Share Posted January 16 7 hours ago, LB 15 said: And for more go to pornhub and search ‘Hit from behind’. See? This guy internets. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Remodel 838 Posted January 16 Share Posted January 16 Sometimes mass overcomes horsepower. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
TBW 180 Posted January 16 Share Posted January 16 It's called "girding". The tow overtakes the tug and side loads the bollard. Tugs can and do flip from it. Can happen when you have a strong wind or current coming from behind. Tug makes a turn and the barge keeps going. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Voiled 209 Posted January 16 Share Posted January 16 A search for tug girding on youtube led to this interesting and horrifying video by the Transportation Safety Board of Canada: Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Baldur 148 Posted January 16 Share Posted January 16 17 hours ago, voodoochile said: https://www.facebook.com/503848323/videos/424345405959490 Tug is showing 2 white lights, so towing, less than 200m line. Following current, tried to slow down but barge full of stone kept going? Do you know sechelt rapids? Roughest salt water rapids on the west coast of north America at the least. A Canadian friend has a crazy story about having to cut seine full of herring loose there as they started to get drug in before they could recover the net. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
TBW 180 Posted January 16 Share Posted January 16 14 hours ago, Steam Flyer said: There may have been a following current but the problem was caused by the barges speed thru the water. - DSK There is a bit more to it than that. A tug like that is steering with a conventional rudder, meaning it needs speed through the water to control the tug. Velocity over the ground is speed through the water plus speed over ground. In a tight river, it may be preferable to slow down to take a sharp corner to reduce the advance through the turn. But if you slow down too much in relation to the ground, the tug over takes you and girds you. It's like hitting the brakes on an 18 wheeler going up a steep icey hill vs hitting the brakes going down a steep icey hill. More like to jack knife on the way down the icey hill then up, even though the initial speed over the road is the same in both circumstances. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Steam Flyer 8,440 Posted January 16 Share Posted January 16 36 minutes ago, TBW said: 15 hours ago, Steam Flyer said: There may have been a following current but the problem was caused by the barges speed thru the water. There is a bit more to it than that. A tug like that is steering with a conventional rudder, meaning it needs speed through the water to control the tug. Velocity over the ground is speed through the water plus speed over ground. In a tight river, it may be preferable to slow down to take a sharp corner to reduce the advance through the turn. But if you slow down too much in relation to the ground, the tug over takes you and girds you. It's like hitting the brakes on an 18 wheeler going up a steep icey hill vs hitting the brakes going down a steep icey hill. More like to jack knife on the way down the icey hill then up, even though the initial speed over the road is the same in both circumstances. Well put, that's a good description. A similar problem more SA'ers might be familiar with is when you're towing a string of small boats and the tracks of the towing vessel and tows diverge, resulting in capsize and damage of the towed vessels. - DSK 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
sailwriter 177 Posted January 16 Share Posted January 16 J24s used to be the biggest problem back in the day at St. Pete Yacht Club, Florida. On the turn into the Sailing Center some would turn when they got to the end of the breakwater. But my 17-foot Whaler needed to continue for a while to get the last boat past the corner. Their mass overpowered. I used to insist that all towed aim at the rudder of the boat ahead. And NO BOWLINES! Can't be untied under strain in an emergency. Dave Ellis 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
SloopJonB 12,619 Posted January 16 Share Posted January 16 4 hours ago, Voiled said: A search for tug girding on youtube led to this interesting and horrifying video by the Transportation Safety Board of Canada: Another view of those "Sechelt Rapids", more commonly known as Skookumchuk. Probably the most dangerous tidal flow in the Salish sea. Personally I wouldn't go through them under any circumstances, let alone towing a big barge. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
TBW 180 Posted January 17 Share Posted January 17 12 hours ago, Steam Flyer said: A similar problem more SA'ers might be familiar with Some, my generation learned about truck driving from Burt 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
SailRacer 123 Posted January 17 Share Posted January 17 My classmates would become Docking Pilots after running tugs for five or so years. They would tell all new crew to get in their bunk and turn off the lights THEN imagine trying to get out of there upside down with water and fire all around. Sail safe! 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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