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Lark 1,918 Posted January 21 Share Posted January 21 Per the document they tried to overthrow: Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort. No Person shall be convicted of Treason unless on the Testimony of two Witnesses to the same overt Act, or on Confession in open Court. The false electors presumably didn't take an oath to break like the POTUS, Senators and Representatives did. I'm not sure what that equals in the criminal code. The false electors attempted to replace the republic with a monarchy, but failed to meet the definition of Treason. Go figure. I vote we hang them anyway. Maybe they can find the gallows left over from the insurrection. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Olsonist 3,519 Posted January 21 Share Posted January 21 Tom will be along shortly to same that the Nincomcoupers are really just a bunch of good ol' boys. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Voyageur 516 Posted January 21 Author Share Posted January 21 If only, they were not mostly morons, it might have worked. Sinema and Munchkin need to have their shit sniffed an little. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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Gouvernail 3,932 Posted January 21 Share Posted January 21 10 minutes ago, Lark said: Per the document they tried to overthrow: Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their ( clarification edit. Insert: Foreign or domestic) Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort. No Person shall be convicted of Treason unless on the Testimony of two Witnesses to the same overt Act, or on Confession in open Court. The false electors presumably didn't take an oath to break like the POTUS, Senators and Representatives did. I'm not sure what that equals in the criminal code. The false electors attempted to replace the republic with a monarchy, but failed to meet the definition of Treason. Go figure. I vote we hang them anyway. Maybe they can find the gallows left over from the insurrection. The treasonous bastards attempted to aid a domestic enemy of the United States of America. Try them all and hang each one who is found guilty of supporting Gropenfuhrer 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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Nice! 1,276 Posted January 21 Share Posted January 21 "adhering to their enemies" Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Lark 1,918 Posted January 21 Share Posted January 21 13 minutes ago, Nice! said: "adhering to their enemies" I don't think the word enemy applies until they actually overthrow the election and begin the civil war. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Sol Rosenberg 10,096 Posted January 21 Share Posted January 21 Felons 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Steam Flyer 8,366 Posted January 21 Share Posted January 21 No, not traitors. But certainly enemies of government of the people, by the people, for the people. - DSK 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Nice! 1,276 Posted January 21 Share Posted January 21 17 minutes ago, Lark said: I don't think the word enemy applies until they actually overthrow the election and begin the civil war. So the actions of the fake electors are not considered traitorous unless some other people's coup is successful? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
d'ranger 4,297 Posted January 21 Share Posted January 21 If only they were Democrats, then there would be a case. as eva dense Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Lark 1,918 Posted January 21 Share Posted January 21 16 minutes ago, Nice! said: So the actions of the fake electors are not considered traitorous unless some other people's coup is successful? They are not traitorous until they become enemies. This is the only crime spelled out in the Constitution. Though the word is used casually today, the strict definition seems to require hostility and violence. I think the moment they get their boogaloo they are subject to treason charges. Of course that's only if they surrender. They can be shot on sight as a reward for the civil war they so desperately want. After all, what's the point of a civil war if we aren't killing each other on sight? Grim thoughts. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
SloopJonB 12,534 Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 Anybody who fucks with free and fair elections - in any manner - is a traitor. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jerseyguy 1,702 Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 May not be traitors but unless they face some serious jail time the next time this happens (and there will be a next time) it will succeed as the perps will get more sophisticated. No slap on the wrist, no fines, no probation. Years in fuck me in the ass graybar hotel. No club fed 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
AJ Oliver 1,919 Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 18 minutes ago, jerseyguy said: May not be traitors but unless they face some serious jail time the next time this happens (and there will be a next time) it will succeed as the perps will get more sophisticated. No slap on the wrist, no fines, no probation. Years in fuck me in the ass graybar hotel. No club fed Right, they will only be emboldened by failures to prosecute and jail. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Nice! 1,276 Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 3 hours ago, Lark said: They are not traitorous until they become enemies. This is the only crime spelled out in the Constitution. Though the word is used casually today, the strict definition seems to require hostility and violence. I think the moment they get their boogaloo they are subject to treason charges. Of course that's only if they surrender. They can be shot on sight as a reward for the civil war they so desperately want. After all, what's the point of a civil war if we aren't killing each other on sight? Grim thoughts. Best I can tell, anybody who attempts to insurrect should be considered an enemy of the country, regardless of whether they are successful or not. Therefore, anyone who adheres to insurrectionists should be considered traitors. As are the insurrectionists themselves. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Lark 1,918 Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 29 minutes ago, Nice! said: Best I can tell, anybody who attempts to insurrect should be considered an enemy of the country, regardless of whether they are successful or not. Therefore, anyone who adheres to insurrectionists should be considered traitors. As are the insurrectionists themselves. I thing a mob hanging Pelosi and Pence would qualify. If they got there a bit faster, but failed to install Trump as King, the criteria would have been clearly met and the republic could be made safe from the next attempt. Since the false electors were their pretext, at that point they could also be charged with treason in the failed coup. I’m confident there are still plenty of creative felonies to be found for all, including fraud, election fraud, perjury, endangering the safety of a public official, being a public nuisance, violation of leash law, etc. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Grrr... 2,204 Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 4 minutes ago, badlatitude said: Don't mean shit. He has no worries talking about it because he knows there won't be any repercussions. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
badlatitude 4,192 Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 1 minute ago, Grrr... said: Don't mean shit. He has no worries talking about it because he knows there won't be any repercussions. So no one gets a referral to DOJ? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Lark 1,918 Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 16 minutes ago, badlatitude said: So no one gets a referral to DOJ? Any actual convictions will be pardoned in 2024, plus as a hero to the cause they will receive the land, assets and least ugly daughter of a Democrat in their district in 2029. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
badlatitude 4,192 Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 1 minute ago, Lark said: Any actual convictions will be pardoned in 2024, plus as a hero to the cause they will receive the land, assets and least ugly daughter of a Democrat in their district in 2029. Only if Trump is elected, and I don't think he will be the front-runner. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Lark 1,918 Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 2 minutes ago, badlatitude said: Only if Trump is elected, and I don't think he will be the front-runner. Gym Jordan, Moscow Mitch, General Flynn, Governors, there are many in the Republican hierarchy that chose power over country. Some of them actually detest Trump. A Republican insider might not miss the chance to become leader for life because he likes to hear himself rant on TV. He would act and succeed where Trump talked for 45 minutes and lost his chance. The military might have an easier time following the oathbreakers if a rational man attempted the coup, especially if the opposition threatened budget cuts instead of rapid growth (opportunity for promotion and retirement as a consultant). Trump is charismatic but incompetent. I actually think the Republic is safer if Trump gets a second chance. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
solosailor 609 Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 MNGA - Make Nooses Great Again. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
bridhb 904 Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 14 hours ago, Voyageur said: God Bless Mike Pence. Hell no! Pence was all in, he was just afraid he would get in trouble. He hasn't done squat to help prosecute anybody since then. You know the information he has could have had everyone in jail by now. He is still hoping for a shot at the whitehouse. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
VhmSays 395 Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 The electors received the gameplan and advice from a WH/GOP lawyer John Eastman. Nothing is happening to them Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Remodel 825 Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 Let's try not to get bogged down in semantics. Sedition, Treason and Insurrection all have different meanings. In this case you have the planners and motivators who created the situation. They are guilty of Sedition. Then you have the perpetrators of the violence. Those are guilty of Insurrection. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Jules 2,806 Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 17 hours ago, Voyageur said: probably There was an interesting discussion last night between Bill Maher and Timothy Snyder, professor of history at Yale. Maher asks if false electors are inserted and the win goes to TFG, wouldn't Kamale Harris be in the same position as Pence was? And wouldn't she then have the duty to throw out the votes of false electors? Interesting scenario... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Jules 2,806 Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 13 hours ago, SloopJonB said: Anybody who fucks with free and fair elections - in any manner - is a traitor. And until those people are prosecuted and imprisoned, they will continue fucking with elections, as they are now. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Mike G 2,216 Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 Still with the stolen election claim. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
billy backstay 1,671 Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 18 hours ago, Sol Rosenberg said: Felons Who should all be jailed... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Mike G 2,216 Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 1 minute ago, billy backstay said: Who should all be jailed... And no ability to own firearms after jail. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
dacapo 1,571 Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 48 minutes ago, Mike G said: And no ability to own firearms after jail. And shot dead. Sorry been jailing traitors for trying to overthrow a democratic government Will do nothing for the next batch of fuck nuts. Firing squad shoot them dead. There was a reason why traders were shot dead a long time ago Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Voyageur 516 Posted January 23 Author Share Posted January 23 https://www.cnn.com/2022/01/20/politics/trump-campaign-officials-rudy-giuliani-fake-electors/index.html Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Stingray~ 2,258 Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 My first time posting in this SA Forum but out of boredom with zero going on AC-Wise.. And a LOT going on this week in Donald News: Who do folks think will flip the biggest? There are apparently investigations at the NY State level (Civil) and in Manhattan (Criminal), for potential IRS and Bank and Insurance Fraud to the tune of hundreds of $Millions. Plus the investigations in Fulton County Georgia about election-fraud fuckery, political only because that's what it is exactly about. And in of course the Jan 6 Select Commitee, (political for obviously good reason too) about the multi-pronged attempts to overthrow a clean US Presidential election. Spokes of a criminal corruption wheel with DJT at the hub. The walls, the imaginary 'Big Beautiful Walls,' got moving in tighter this week on all those fronts. Again: Who's the biggest one that's gonna get flipped in return for some degree of leniency? Meadows? I hope so.. Unlike AC crapola, this insurrection Banana Republic shit is historically important to put an end to! Go USA 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Willin' 1,691 Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 I'd like to think that Pense would be a good source of inside info primarily because as a very public and vocal CHRISTIAN, I would imagine he might take an oath to tell the truth pretty seriously, especially if someone were to ask him while under oath if he believes lying is a sin. Remember, the Bible has no 5th amendment. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Stingray~ 2,258 Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 29 minutes ago, Willin' said: I'd like to think that Pense would be a good source of inside info primarily because as a very public and vocal CHRISTIAN, I would imagine he might take an oath to tell the truth pretty seriously, especially if someone were to ask him while under oath if he believes lying is a sin. Remember, the Bible has no 5th amendment. Think I read that Pense's Chief of Staff, is it Short?, is already telling the truth? If these things do come down to the Trump family turning on each other in the face of long prison sentences? I'm guessing Trump will blame his own damn children before they ever dare to blame him but time (and lawyers) will tell.. Ivanka without any makeup, in a prison cell for 20 years, will be (to her) an extremely frightening sight to behold. The competition to flip for the best deal always happens eventually in these situations. I do not expect that Giuiani will be offered anything ever, that guy is one of the many, probably dozens, who will be taken Down once the DOJ eventually gets deep into them. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Ishmael 10,516 Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 21 minutes ago, Stingray~ said: that guy is one of the many, probably dozens, who will be going Down. And fucking well time. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
SloopJonB 12,534 Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 On 1/22/2022 at 9:52 AM, dacapo said: And shot dead. Sorry been jailing traitors for trying to overthrow a democratic government Will do nothing for the next batch of fuck nuts. Firing squad shoot them dead. There was a reason why traders were shot dead a long time ago That was only whiskey traders wasn't it? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
SloopJonB 12,534 Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 18 hours ago, Stingray~ said: Ivanka without any makeup, in a prison cell for 20 years, will be (to her) an extremely frightening sight to behold. She'll still have perfect tits though. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Ishmael 10,516 Posted January 24 Share Posted January 24 22 hours ago, SloopJonB said: She'll still have perfect tits though. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Lark 1,918 Posted January 24 Share Posted January 24 2 hours ago, Ishmael said: Now that's a mental picture that can be added to the next zombie movie, devastating date night for teenage guys everywhere. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Mrleft8 3,527 Posted January 24 Share Posted January 24 I imagine the MAGATS will go for those first, then the other parts after the falsies are defeated..... Um.... Deflated. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
phillysailor 3,424 Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 CNN: “Under state law, I think clearly you have forgery of a public record, which is a 14-year offense, and election law forgery, which is a five-year offense," Michigan Attorney general Dana Nessel, a Democrat, told MSNBC last week, about the fake certificates signed by pro-Trump electors.” But, she’s a Democrat quoted by CNN so it’s not clear this AG can be trusted, nor the veracity of the quote established unless repeated by, say Steve Bannon. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Blue Crab 2,431 Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 On 1/22/2022 at 9:24 PM, Willin' said: Remember, the Bible has no 5th amendment. The updated White Evangelical version corrected that omission and made several other minor mods: Jesus is no longer a Jew, for one, Evangelicals have really never been OK with that. The Second A eliminated women. Poof! Gone. Third indicates Justin (the modern name) was born on April 6 but the official date of 12/25 keeps the economic engine humming; the end result allows keeping decorations up thru April. The Fourth clarified that Justin's "missing" 18 years were spent studying martial arts in the Far East. The Fifth eliminated the ten so called "Commandments," leaving anything goes. QED. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Mark K 2,321 Posted February 3 Share Posted February 3 On 1/24/2022 at 12:12 PM, Ishmael said: 4000 years from now archeologists will ponder the religions significance of these objects. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
badlatitude 4,192 Posted February 3 Share Posted February 3 I bet they never thought that this moment would become prosecutorial evidence number 1. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Gouvernail 3,932 Posted February 3 Share Posted February 3 Every day the prosecution delays is another day the traitors can use to claim, “It’s no big deal.” Quote Link to post Share on other sites
saxdog 403 Posted February 3 Share Posted February 3 They are criminals who should be locked up and disenfranchised. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Pertinacious Tom 1,918 Posted February 4 Share Posted February 4 On 1/21/2022 at 4:43 PM, Olsonist said: Tom will be along shortly to same that the Nincomcoupers are really just a bunch of good ol' boys. Sorry, it's hard to keep up with all the threads on this topic. I've offered reference material in a couple of them. On 10/13/2021 at 6:27 AM, Pertinacious Tom said: Trump's 'Eastman Memo' Proposed Stopping the Steal On 1/13/2022 at 7:32 AM, Pertinacious Tom said: The Eastman Memo: Outstanding Lawyering for a Worthy Cause Sorry as always about the Koch-$pon$ored Trump cheerleading. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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